AQ map 6 Changes - Thoughts?

LordSmasher

Well at first I was positive with them but now I think they have greatly increased the difficulty.

I prefer the autodamage more than the class based paths with nodes like power snack and might charge. Just take out the class penalties, doing map 6 means you don't want to have to plan.
I used to be able to take the minis with some nodes up (100% att/health) but now all the nodes add in something bad.

AMS94

Same map without class limitations would be great

asgadion

ngl not a fan... our alliance does 7-7-6-6-6... and ngl map 7 actually feels easier and is more enjoyable

asgadion

wait no I didn't say that... kabam plz don't "rework" map 7 ^

GoldenDad

Both Map 6 and Map 5 are more difficult. The newer champs are also more difficult to fight compared to the previous ones. The rewards should be boosted to reflect the increased difficulty and resources used.

The ‘heavy-baiter,protection, buff (unstoppable) path is terrible in Map 6 too.

LordSmasher

I'd rather them just reduce the diificulty of the map.
What was the intent here? Force us up to the paying maps?

Mr_Platypus

Fine with the changes, except the 50% reduced attack for 4/6 classes on the majority of paths. That’s just irritating.
And to think I had an AQ specific survey recently sent to me that seemed to be focussed on finding out how people feel about the time commitment, then suddenly half the fights are longer lol

Thecurler

Some of the path fights take far too long now.

I think the changes have been made with positive intent but I’m enjoying this aq even less than before.
I hope they tweak things after feedback as nobody enjoys long annoying aq fights.

Deacon

we run one BG with Map 6 and they've all complained

Khellendros138

Ya...not a fan either. It feels like you are sure to have a bad time unless your ally assigns paths so you bring specific Champs for them. The class restrictions are just a little too much. I'm fine with challenging nodes, but meh on the class stuff.

Thomildo

Just drop the class restrictions, i think it would be fine then. Long tedious path fights is not an improvement.

Moosetiptronic

Really useful feedback; we're 11.8k prestige doing map 5 and boss feedback is the same; used to be able to solo them with 2-4 nodes up whereas now, we'll typically wait until only 1 or 2 are up. But the map aside is much faster, so much so that I was thinking we'd do map 6...

But not with this feedback... AQ is possibly the best reward for effort game mode but also alongside war, the element that makes or breaks alliances who aren't pushing for that top 100 billing.

Making it more of a slog does not appeal and will make alliance leaders and officers "jobs" harder.

NeinoIII

I'd have to agree with everyone's thoughts so far. We've seen higher item usage in our alliance across these last 3 days than we did moving from map 5 to 6 with the old design. The average fight is harder and requires a lot more time for an event people already dread to do every week. Eliminating the class attack reduction is the easiest solution or hell even dropping it to 10-20% would at least be more sustainable.

TimeGenesis

We tried the new map but seems like the AI have become more passive.
[Edit: Passiveness makes d fight longer / spending more time baiting]
Other than that map for us its easier to complete due to reduced paths.

UindaKillzone

AQ Map 6 is a veritable mess. Try doing poison path power snack with skill or tech only, especially with the passive AI not throwing specials -- not fun or easy, few options, and the only intent is to sell more health potions. So many bugs also. Multiple fights opponent damage not registering after timeout or KO; opponent returns to 100%. Class-specific paths say attack damage is limited to class only but try using fully evade-style Quake on a non-science-class path: damage from concussions and aftershocks -- remember, zero contact so no attack has occurred -- is also reduced by 50%, which results in a timeout, and then the timeout bug kicks in, and the opponent goes from less than 10% health to full 100% health. Kabam really expects players to pay for this by buying revives? NFW. Back to map 5, boring as it is, until the bugs get fixed and class restrictions get eliminated. Horrible as is, and I was running the poison paths on the previous map 6 never having to use any resources for full completion.

ItsDamien

My alliance has had no problem with Map 6. Hell by the time I wake up the map is cleared.

Carmel1

UindaKillzone said:

AQ Map 6 is a veritable mess. Try doing poison path power snack with skill or tech only, especially with the passive AI not throwing specials -- not fun or easy, few options, and the only intent is to sell more health potions. So many bugs also. Multiple fights opponent damage not registering after timeout or KO; opponent returns to 100%. Class-specific paths say attack damage is limited to class only but try using fully evade-style Quake on a non-science-class path: damage from concussions and aftershocks -- remember, zero contact so no attack has occurred -- is also reduced by 50%, which results in a timeout, and then the timeout bug kicks in, and the opponent goes from less than 10% health to full 100% health. Kabam really expects players to pay for this by buying revives? NFW. Back to map 5, boring as it is, until the bugs get fixed and class restrictions get eliminated. Horrible as is, and I was running the poison paths on the previous map 6 never having to use any resources for full completion.

same. I used to take the poison path in the old map with 5* champs and no items.
Now i'm brining 6*R3 and have to use items every day... hard to find a tech\skill champ that is poison immune + immune to stagger\nullify, keep dying to sp3... i tried to use 5* vision on day1 and his damage \ block proficiency can't survive more than 2-3 fights (especially combine with with modifier like parry curse, turn the tide).
haven't run that path yet with power to coway but it doesn't sound promising.

hate the new map and if their idea was to push players to use higher maps they failed... i rather step down

Burrito2525

My BG has been running map 6 with little issue in the past, the new redesign seems more annoying tbh, if kabamm got rid of the class based lanes then we would all mostly be happy. The restrictions along with a mini counter are causing issues, especially for the “backup” members

Remove the atttack reduction and all should be good!

Carmel1

ItsDamien said:

My alliance has had no problem with Map 6. Hell by the time I wake up the map is cleared.

maybe the reason you had no problem is because you slept through one of the sections.

Gamer

It’s that’s bad to be honestly it just take time to adjustment.

Drake

I posted this in a thread yesterday which quickly scrolled off. This one seems to be getting more traction so reposting here:

I was so excited for map 6 on paper. It looked like the hassle of begging people to get online and move regularly was over because there would be plenty of backup. Unfortunately that's not the case at all. Section 2 in particular is actually worse because the length of 4 of the paths means it now requires all 10 people if we want to be at the second boss before everyone is asleep.

And even worse, these terrible attack reduction nodes are actually making it harder overall than it was before. Messing around with getting the right champs brought to not have to take a path where you get attack penalized (which also feels way worse than a 50% reduction btw... the damage I'm seeing feels like it's double that) is a huge hassle. You want to allow us to bring 5 champs to AQ, then this is fine. But with 3 attackers all this is doing is causing resentment between my members who feel like they're getting hosed when someone takes the path they wanted.

If we obsessively planned out a path for every member in every section and made them all stick to them with a timer taped to their foreheads, we could figure this out. But I thought you guys were trying to make this better for alliances that aren't packed full of sweaty try-hards. This isn't that. The 4 guys not assigned to a specific path don't know which guy's wife sprained her ankle and who got stuck with overtime unexpectedly and just have to pick a path and invariably are picking the wrong one and now the guy who could run all his paths with a tech, skill and cosmic is stuck taking a path only science or mutant don't get penalized for. Not only that... why did you design it so that only one of the two classes doesn't have to do a class disadvantaged fight or two? It's even more restrictive factoring that in.

Please dump these stupid attack penalties. And make each of the 6 paths in section 1 and 2 completable (not a word, I know. But it should be.) by 1 person in the first 12 hours so that there's plenty of backup.

I was so much looking forward to what I expected was going to be a renewed enjoyment of AQ. Unfortunately it's taken a huge step backwards for my alliance. People are annoyed and frustrated and I don't blame them. It's not a learning curve issue. It's bad design, forcing restrictive champ selection and scheduling that's less forgiving in practice than it seemed it would be on paper.

SandPounder

Our Ally has historically done Map 5 due to time zone issues and time commitment, so we were hoping these changes would allow more flexibility that we could advance the barrier was never difficulty but logistics.

But given the feedback so far, It’s sounds like Map 5 is where we will stay. After all, we only really care about the glory, and there really isn’t much difference in the final rewards of 5 and 6 when it comes to glory being distributed

ItsDamien

Carmel1 said:

ItsDamien said:

My alliance has had no problem with Map 6. Hell by the time I wake up the map is cleared.

maybe the reason you had no problem is because you slept through one of the sections.

And yet my alliance are clearing it while I’m asleep. They can finish it with 9 people instead of the 10 is needed before. Strange don’t you think.

Drake

ItsDamien said:

Carmel1 said:

ItsDamien said:

My alliance has had no problem with Map 6. Hell by the time I wake up the map is cleared.

maybe the reason you had no problem is because you slept through one of the sections.

And yet my alliance are clearing it while I’m asleep. They can finish it with 9 people instead of the 10 is needed before. Strange don’t you think.

Not strange at all, you're just hard-flexing and lack empathetic abilities. Jump on a thread where the dominant sentiment is pain, and tell them how cool you are because your alliance thinks it's cake. What kind of response did you think you'd get?

Carmel1

ItsDamien said:

Carmel1 said:

ItsDamien said:

My alliance has had no problem with Map 6. Hell by the time I wake up the map is cleared.

maybe the reason you had no problem is because you slept through one of the sections.

And yet my alliance are clearing it while I’m asleep. They can finish it with 9 people instead of the 10 is needed before. Strange don’t you think.

no one argued that it's a bad thing to have shorter map with less paths... that's the only good thing with the new map.
but the new nodes and the class restrictions are awful...

Gamer

ItsDamien said:

Carmel1 said:

ItsDamien said:

My alliance has had no problem with Map 6. Hell by the time I wake up the map is cleared.

maybe the reason you had no problem is because you slept through one of the sections.

And yet my alliance are clearing it while I’m asleep. They can finish it with 9 people instead of the 10 is needed before. Strange don’t you think.

I’m can se the problem for news account where’s there use to use the same team over and over. So now when there is a tiny bit harder it the end it really only take time to learn

Graves_3

ItsDamien said:

Carmel1 said:

ItsDamien said:

My alliance has had no problem with Map 6. Hell by the time I wake up the map is cleared.

maybe the reason you had no problem is because you slept through one of the sections.

And yet my alliance are clearing it while I’m asleep. They can finish it with 9 people instead of the 10 is needed before. Strange don’t you think.

Ever think about trying map 7 or 8? If you guys are sleep walking through map 6 then you should be trying something more challenging. Or do those maps scare you?

ItsDamien

Drake said:

ItsDamien said:

Carmel1 said:

ItsDamien said:

My alliance has had no problem with Map 6. Hell by the time I wake up the map is cleared.

maybe the reason you had no problem is because you slept through one of the sections.

And yet my alliance are clearing it while I’m asleep. They can finish it with 9 people instead of the 10 is needed before. Strange don’t you think.

Not strange at all, you're just hard-flexing and lack empathetic abilities. Jump on a thread where the dominant sentiment is pain, and tell them how cool you are because your alliance thinks it's cake. What kind of response did you think you'd get?

Not lacking empathy at all. It’s just that people are saying this is so much harder than it used to be and it’s really not. Perhaps people need to look at their options better before just hopping into a map instead of relying on the same champs they use every single cycle.

Carmel1 said:

ItsDamien said:

Carmel1 said:

ItsDamien said:

My alliance has had no problem with Map 6. Hell by the time I wake up the map is cleared.

maybe the reason you had no problem is because you slept through one of the sections.

And yet my alliance are clearing it while I’m asleep. They can finish it with 9 people instead of the 10 is needed before. Strange don’t you think.

no one argued that it's a bad thing to have shorter map with less paths... that's the only good thing with the new map.
but the new nodes and the class restrictions are awful...

So using different champs and more of your roster is a bad thing? Don’t people complain that AQ is stale because they only ever use the same 3 champs and blitz through. Name one path that’s more difficult than an average Act 6.2 path.

Graves_3 said:

ItsDamien said:

Carmel1 said:

ItsDamien said:

My alliance has had no problem with Map 6. Hell by the time I wake up the map is cleared.

maybe the reason you had no problem is because you slept through one of the sections.

And yet my alliance are clearing it while I’m asleep. They can finish it with 9 people instead of the 10 is needed before. Strange don’t you think.

Ever think about trying map 7 or 8? If you guys are sleep walking through map 6 then you should be trying something more challenging. Or do those maps scare you?

Honestly, the only reason I’ve never thought about Map 7 or 8 is because I don’t like the AQ ticket system. I find it very arbitrary and would rather use the resources that I would have to spend on those tickets on growing my own roster strength. If they remove those costs then I’d immediately look to a map 7 or 8 alliance without a second thought.

Drake

SandPounder said:

Our Ally has historically done Map 5 due to time zone issues and time commitment, so we were hoping these changes would allow more flexibility that we could advance the barrier was never difficulty but logistics.

But given the feedback so far, It’s sounds like Map 5 is where we will stay. After all, we only really care about the glory, and there really isn’t much difference in the final rewards of 5 and 6 when it comes to glory being distributed

This.

We went right at it, map 6 in all 3 BGs first 3 days. People hate it so much some actually expressed they'd leave if it stays like this due to excessive item use, and one dropped without a word (right after being tagged in chat that he'd taken a path and now the person who's path it was supposed to be would have to take a class-penalized path, yet he needed to do *something* or just sit around.) We were planning to go to full map 6 in all BGs. But the attack penalties and some of the nodes make that untenable. And while the paths are better in one way, they're actually worse in another. Less paths but extra long ones mean that we would need to know exactly who is going to have something come up and can't finish their path quickly before that something happens. The backups need to be time-travelling mind readers. It needs to be set up where 1 path is 1 person and done. Make it 4 sections. Heck, make it 5 sections. But make each path finish-able by 1 person with 1 bar and only 5 or 6 per section. We're going back to map 5, this map6 is the opposite of fun.

As far as I'm concerned your terrible map design cost us one alliance member already. My anger is going to grow at a rate commensurate with the members you cost us.

Carmel1

ItsDamien said:

So using different champs and more of your roster is a bad thing? Don’t people complain that AQ is stale because they only ever use the same 3 champs and blitz through. Name one path that’s more difficult than an average Act 6.2 path.

can't compare the two...

* in 6.2 you can bring 5 counters
* in 6.2 you can farm revives and potions
* in 6.2 you can restart the quest and start over
* in 6.2 you can't go to sleep and wake up to a completed map by your teammates.
* in 6.2 you don't need to bring two specific classes (under than unlock gates)
* act 6 many players just skipped exploration of the worst quest ever created straight to act7

ItsDamien

Carmel1 said:

ItsDamien said:

So using different champs and more of your roster is a bad thing? Don’t people complain that AQ is stale because they only ever use the same 3 champs and blitz through. Name one path that’s more difficult than an average Act 6.2 path.

can't compare the two...

* in 6.2 you can bring 5 counters
* in 6.2 you can farm revives and potions
* in 6.2 you can restart the quest and start over
* in 6.2 you can't go to sleep and wake up to a completed map by your teammates.
* in 6.2 you don't need to bring two specific classes (under than unlock gates)
* act 6 many players just skipped exploration of the worst quest ever created straight to act7

No, but you know what we can compare is path designs.

Hell even act 5 has weakness paths, are you telling me that’s now more difficult than this? Come on now.