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Future of Progression: Relics, 7-Stars and Ascension Roadmap - Discussion Thread

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    @Kabam Miike with the v37.0 update, when we collect a duplicate of a 6-Star Champion, will we receive 250 7-Star shards? Will it only take 10,000 7-Star shards to pull a 7-Star champion?

    Please let me know so that I can then plan what to do with any 6-Star shards I accumulate going forward.
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    FrostGiantLordFrostGiantLord Posts: 1,598 ★★★★
    This was definitely a bad decision. Adding 7 stars even before r5 6*s? This pretty much threw everyone off. However, the MCOC team is just doing this to add more spice into the game. If they waited until next year or 2024, you lot criticizing Kabam for adding 7 stars too early would be complaining about the game being too boring without a lot of major updates. I suggest you all stop complaining, and be happy with what you have. If you want to quit, fine, but I, and millions of other players worldwide, would rather stay and have fun.
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    KiptonadeKiptonade Posts: 223 ★★★
    edited September 2022
    I think like many others it’s too soon. This does however kill any incentive to spend on trying to upgrade 6* so I’m grateful for that aspect at least.

    As I’ve posted elsewhere I sincerely hope they end the buff program in favour of making better new champions and use the 7* start rarity as a way to kill off some of the crappy older champions that can stay behind in 6* pools. The 7* star pool should be curated to have at the lowest end “useful/decent” champions and at the top end up your god tier champions. The champion pool needs drastically reduced. I know it’s often referred to as a Casino of champions but this game shouldn’t be a gamble considering the appeal is for all ages and how unhealthy the current “gambling” aspect actually is to peoples health/finances. If you have been grinding for 7* shards you should be rewarded with progression and a decent champion. That’s how loot systems work in every other game. When you grind you are rewarded with a decent weapon, piece of armour or something else that is going to help you progress and grind further. Grinding 7* shards to pull a Kamala khan or Groot isn’t progression and I genuinely think that fear and soul destroying disappointment that we’ve all experienced is the biggest reason behind many peoples complaints.
    I know kabam is out to make profit and money but there are many other ways to do that (difficult content, holiday offers etc) without having to have crystal pulls being such a gamble.

    Tl;dr

    Curate the 7* pool to have decent and god tier champions (not a lazy copy and paste from 6* pool)
    This rewards grinding.
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    Erik_Killmonger1001Erik_Killmonger1001 Posts: 427 ★★★
    idea, swap over the release of ascension and 7 stars, that way players can get up to the power of 7*s before they come out and 7*s just act as a innately more powerful champion. (like how you only need to get a 6* upto rank 2 before they compare in power to a maxed out 5*) except this time with ascension you have a realistic chance of getting the same level of power on a 5*.
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    Hickdog27Hickdog27 Posts: 133 ★★
    Hmm. Do you think we'll see a 7 star Hercules, Kitty, or Ghost (or any other broken champ), or will they be locked out like Quake?
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    The_man001The_man001 Posts: 624 ★★★
    DNA3000 said:

    Good to see the same old Kabam shills coming out. Look, if you're really fine with this or just here to pooh pooh constructive conversations then troll away, I guess. Personally, I think it's important for Kabam to hear what their customers think and I believe they could work on multiple areas of new content with unit offers wrapped around it (I gave four or so easy examples previously) without just punting on creativity and releasing higher star levels or a gear system that at least anyone in multiple aliance chats I am in on Line are absolutely disgusted by. More of what they are doing well is a good thing, absolutely, and they should focus on that.

    What constructive conversation do you believe is being pooh poohed?

    Personally, I think Kabam should hear what everyone's opinions are, but the forums are explicitly a player discussion forum. It exists to allow players to discuss the game. That includes reasonable and respectful disagreement. Everyone is free to express their opinions, but no one has the right or reasonable expectation that those opinions will go unchallenged.

    If you feel you represent some silent majority of players' opinions, by all means represent those opinions. But don't expect deference just because this is self-evident to you.
    If kabam really wanted players opinion on this they Could have sent an ingame mail just like various surveys to know how many really wants 7 stars and relics and all this.

    Forum doesn't even contains 1% of all mcoc players. I have 2 alliances and only 1 except me has forum account. So polls on forum are far away from accurate.

    If kabam really cared about what customers think they could have done what I stated above. For as long as there is wish there is a way.
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    GogiGogi Posts: 440 ★★★
    Awesome news! looking forward to it.
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    WOLF_LINKWOLF_LINK Posts: 1,324 ★★★★

    This was definitely a bad decision. Adding 7 stars even before r5 6*s? This pretty much threw everyone off. However, the MCOC team is just doing this to add more spice into the game. If they waited until next year or 2024, you lot criticizing Kabam for adding 7 stars too early would be complaining about the game being too boring without a lot of major updates. I suggest you all stop complaining, and be happy with what you have. If you want to quit, fine, but I, and millions of other players worldwide, would rather stay and have fun.

    6* R5 will be available later this year, I think. So before 7* are available next Spring.
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    Qwerty12345Qwerty12345 Posts: 766 ★★★
    questions:
    1. Can a champion have more than 1 relic bound to them?
    2. will relics be ok with special objectives like carina's challenges? E.g. if I equipped one to my 6 star Doc Oc, and worked on that challenge, would it disqualify me?
    3. Can you have multiple copies of the same relic so you could apply say one copy of the venom relic to Carnage, and another to Venompool?
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    DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 21,024 ★★★★★

    questions:

    1. Can a champion have more than 1 relic bound to them?
    2. will relics be ok with special objectives like carina's challenges? E.g. if I equipped one to my 6 star Doc Oc, and worked on that challenge, would it disqualify me?
    3. Can you have multiple copies of the same relic so you could apply say one copy of the venom relic to Carnage, and another to Venompool?
    In the blog it says relics can't be used in story content, so they can't be used for Carina's Challenges.
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    SiliyoSiliyo Posts: 1,378 ★★★★★
    I do wonder how the Ascension System will work. For example, in Marvel Future Fight the devs choose which champs will get an "Upgrade". Will the same thing happen for MCOC? Will all 4, 5 and 6* Champions have the ability to Ascend or will there be specific Champions you can Ascend and then more will be available as time goes on?
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    DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 21,024 ★★★★★
    Siliyo said:

    I'm just speculating here but with the introduction of 7 stars in November Content and released in Spring 2023, I think it would make sense if Act 9 is going to be locked to 6* and 7*'s similar to how Acts 6-8 are locked to 5* and 6*.

    The assumption is Act 8 Chapter 4 will probably be released by mid-end of 2023, which gives 7*s about 6+ months (give or take) to be collected by players. This probably explains why 6* collection has been increasing (along with the game economy naturally going that way), since 6*s will be very important for Story Content going forward after Act 8.

    No, they said they weren't doing that anymore. I think the rarity gates will stay at 4*'s.
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    Wozzle007Wozzle007 Posts: 936 ★★★★★

    questions:

    1. Can a champion have more than 1 relic bound to them?
    2. will relics be ok with special objectives like carina's challenges? E.g. if I equipped one to my 6 star Doc Oc, and worked on that challenge, would it disqualify me?
    3. Can you have multiple copies of the same relic so you could apply say one copy of the venom relic to Carnage, and another to Venompool?
    In the blog it says relics can't be used in story content, so they can't be used for Carina's Challenges.
    Maybe not that specific Carina’s challenge, but what about the LOL or ROL ones? WE NEED ANSWERS!?!? If someone gets to use a relic on there 4* Star Lord and cheese through LOL Carina then I want compensation! Not really, haven’t done that Carina yet. But I can imagine some people are thinking this. They’ll probably have to tweak all Carina’s challenges like they’ve done for the Act 6 ones so the runs need to be done without any relics.
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    Ravens20Ravens20 Posts: 77
    I personally think this is a huge mistake, i understand that the Game has to evolve but i think this is the worst way to go about it, there's so much things they can fix with the game, Free mastery tabs, Thronebreaker difficulty Monthly Quest , increase 22 hour event rewards, and Summoner Advancement for players base on Levels, they're still so stingy with sig stones for 6 star champs and with the large pool of champions in the game there's still an issue there, imagine spending and Grinding for that 6 star Champ just to hear oh we have 7 stars now smh big mistake Kabam
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    MaxGamingMaxGaming Posts: 3,204 ★★★★★
    You know I think that this is an ok idea but the addition of 7* is unnecessary and give a good look to the reactions 86 disagrees and 0 agrees
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    DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 21,024 ★★★★★
    Wozzle007 said:

    questions:

    1. Can a champion have more than 1 relic bound to them?
    2. will relics be ok with special objectives like carina's challenges? E.g. if I equipped one to my 6 star Doc Oc, and worked on that challenge, would it disqualify me?
    3. Can you have multiple copies of the same relic so you could apply say one copy of the venom relic to Carnage, and another to Venompool?
    In the blog it says relics can't be used in story content, so they can't be used for Carina's Challenges.
    Maybe not that specific Carina’s challenge, but what about the LOL or ROL ones? WE NEED ANSWERS!?!? If someone gets to use a relic on there 4* Star Lord and cheese through LOL Carina then I want compensation! Not really, haven’t done that Carina yet. But I can imagine some people are thinking this. They’ll probably have to tweak all Carina’s challenges like they’ve done for the Act 6 ones so the runs need to be done without any relics.
    The answers for this are in the blog. You can use Relics in-
    RoL
    LoL
    SQ's
    MEQ's
    Arenas
    Incursions
    Battlegrounds

    You cannot use them in-
    AW
    AQ
    Story content
    Variants
    AoL

    The content that is left out currently is Gauntlet and if EoP continues the way it is, that is also not in there but all other content is spelled out as far as what you can/can't use them in. So if a particular challenge falls into anything that they can be used in, then it should be fine.

    I am not sure if you can even use Relics on 4*'s as it seems most of everything they announced were for 6*'s. but it doesn't say that. it also says initially for both sets of content which means they may open them up to other content later.


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    Mascalzone999Mascalzone999 Posts: 4
    edited September 2022
    Hello Kabam team

    I know this game is more than it for you because you are a company but I think you are not listing your community, there are a lot points of view about this post.

    Let me tell you mi opinion and the opinion of some people. summoners like me, I have played MCOC for almost 8 years, About 7* champs, if you introduce the 7* like 6* you are doing the same [doody]. think about it!

    There is a personal feeling like "disappointment" when you take a lot time and items to complete an "ACT 7 or 8" (for example) and you saved 10K shads and finally you get a beautiful Khamala, but now a new rarity, 7-stars champ . . :(
    this champs is piece of [poopoo], Nobody wants a khmala 7*. it is so frustrating!

    Anyway, my suggestion if you want to introduce "A new rarity" it would be for a really good champs, not for all that champs who nobody wants.

    Your interests as a company are very different from ours as players, I know, but please don't mess up the game, I really like it too much, please, take a good decision.

    Greetings!
    Post edited by Kabam Jax on
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    Pr0t0t7p3Pr0t0t7p3 Posts: 187
    These moves are definitely catering to the big spending whales, the top 0.1%. The newer ability to buy top 5*s in release bundles caters to newbies to build rosters fast. If your in the middle (uncollected, cavalier) you’re left out in cold. Bad move Kabam. Really. 7*s? Then 8, 9, 10? It’s all moving rapidly toward pay to play to keep up. Is this the beginning of the end?
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    BigPoppaCBONEBigPoppaCBONE Posts: 2,281 ★★★★★
    SandeepS said:

    Sunny2 said:

    One thing I have to thank Kabam on is thanks for giving us this update before black Friday. Now I can save some $. I was always thinking you would release this just after.

    They could sell 7 star shards during black Friday as they will be in game by then... you just wont be able to open the crystals they form until next year
    I don't think anyone would want to open those crystals right away as the initial 7star pool will either be carefully curated to be mostly trash or wide open to the vast basic pool of mostly meh to trash level champs, and I don't think it will be wide open since we still don't even have every champ as a 6 star.
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    DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Posts: 21,024 ★★★★★

    SandeepS said:

    Sunny2 said:

    One thing I have to thank Kabam on is thanks for giving us this update before black Friday. Now I can save some $. I was always thinking you would release this just after.

    They could sell 7 star shards during black Friday as they will be in game by then... you just wont be able to open the crystals they form until next year
    I don't think anyone would want to open those crystals right away as the initial 7star pool will either be carefully curated to be mostly trash or wide open to the vast basic pool of mostly meh to trash level champs, and I don't think it will be wide open since we still don't even have every champ as a 6 star.
    I don't think you can open them until spring in 2023.
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    ExHavokExHavok Posts: 518 ★★★
    At least can you show 7* frame ? :D
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    GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Posts: 36,247 ★★★★★

    When I read about 7 stars, the line that sticks out to me is, “… represent the ABSOLUTE top end of what a champion can be in the Contest.”

    I interpret that as 7 stars will be the absolute final rarity. No 8, 9, or 10 stars. @Kabam Miike am i wrong in that interpretation?

    That would require a crystal ball, but what I believe they meant was you will be at the top "at that time".
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