I don't know where this "weak players face only weak players" comes from. Have any of these weak players sent you any proof or where'd you get this data from? I am Uncollected, and I made it to Vibranium after spending about 5k elder marks and facing a lot of Thronebreakers after I made it to Diamond 3.
I'm not claiming there's nothing wrong with the matchmaking and it's perfect but claiming we're getting those rewards handed over to us with no effort because we only have to face weak players (which is kinda what you're implying) is just not true either.
How many 16k Paragons did you face on your well-earned trip to Vibranium?
None, however considering my prestige is barely 9k, facing TB with 12k prestige is not an easy win for me like some of you imply. If you actually read what I typed instead of trying to be edgy because that's the only way you big brains can have an argument on these forums, you'd realize I very clearly said matchmaking is far from perfect but claiming we're getting free wins because we only face weak players is not true either because we're not facing weak players only.
9k Prestige and you are at Vibranium? My main is 15.5k Prestige and is at Platinum 3, along with several similar accounts. Do you also think a 9k Prestige account should be placing higher than 15-16k Prestige accounts, in a competitive mode with a shared pool of rewards? No matter how skilled someone is, he would get stomped by these accounts. Anyway, as @Ironman3000 said, congrats on your “well earned” rewards 😂
That's the problem. Paragon doesn't have a monopoly on that spot. You can't have a competition that is based on performance and have Players claim rights on a Leaderboard based on where they're at in other areas of the game. It's not a ladder. You don't fight every Player on the way up.
That's the problem. Paragon doesn't have a monopoly on that spot. You can't have a competition that is based on performance and have Players claim rights on a Leaderboard based on where they're at in other areas of the game. It's not a ladder. You don't fight every Player on the way up.
This makes zero sense. You say it's a competition based on performance and then say people don't fight everyone on the way up. Those two statements are a contradiction.
That's the problem. Paragon doesn't have a monopoly on that spot. You can't have a competition that is based on performance and have Players claim rights on a Leaderboard based on where they're at in other areas of the game. It's not a ladder. You don't fight every Player on the way up.
And thats the problem: “You don’t fight every player on the way up” How is that fair on a competition with shared rewards? How can someone then can claim, my rewards were well earned, if he eluded the competition?
I don't know where this "weak players face only weak players" comes from. Have any of these weak players sent you any proof or where'd you get this data from? I am Uncollected, and I made it to Vibranium after spending about 5k elder marks and facing a lot of Thronebreakers after I made it to Diamond 3.
I'm not claiming there's nothing wrong with the matchmaking and it's perfect but claiming we're getting those rewards handed over to us with no effort because we only have to face weak players (which is kinda what you're implying) is just not true either.
How many 16k Paragons did you face on your well-earned trip to Vibranium?
None, however considering my prestige is barely 9k, facing TB with 12k prestige is not an easy win for me like some of you imply. If you actually read what I typed instead of trying to be edgy because that's the only way you big brains can have an argument on these forums, you'd realize I very clearly said matchmaking is far from perfect but claiming we're getting free wins because we only face weak players is not true either because we're not facing weak players only.
It doesn't matter. You don't deserve to get to Vibranium w/o facing a single Paragon along the way. Anyway, congrats on your well-earned rewards!
Where exactly did I say I shouldn't face Paragons? Are you dyslexic or something buddy? I do in fact think matchmaking should be completely random, I'm just saying the argument of ThEy'Re GeTtInG fReE eAsY WiNs is not true lol reading comprehension -10/10
People keep talking about Rewards as if we're entitled to them. Everyone earns them in the game mode. That's what performance-based means. You don't have the "top dogs" staking their claim and waiting for challengers. Each Season, we're measured on our progress within that Season. Not where we think we should be. I can't win a Grammy for the Album I should have made. To some effect, people fight their way up, yes. Not against every other single Player. That's not how it works. Things thin out the higher you go, for sure. There's this idea that people have to fight the biggest Accounts to earn their way up, and that isn't the case with this game mode. Not entirely. This is exactly why I'm concerned this game mode is going to turn into what War has. Same Alliances taking the same Rankings Season after Season, no one progressing other than the upper crust, and no one outside of that cares enough to try that hard. Once you kill the morale for people, what's the point? Fairness doesn't have to mean completely parallel and equal, but it certainly doesn't have to reflect some kind of ingrained predetermined standing that prevents anyone else from benefitting that isn't a member of the exclusive club. The fact that we're having this discussion about the VT, before the real competition even begins, is nonsensical to me. A real competition starts out with reasonable Matches, and allows a Player to earn their way up based on performance. Not by a wolf pack of Matches that only benefits one demographic. Eventually, when you get to a certain point, you'll come up against stronger Players, sure. Not this idea that people never made it past the VT because they never fought Accounts 3 times their size or more. That's just arrogant. If you can't get to where someone lower than you is at with Matches equal to your own, why is it the fault of Accounts weaker than your own? If there's real skill, why are you entitled to overpower someone weaker to propel you? What makes their winning less fair than your losing? This whole discussion is because it bruises the egos of some to see Accounts smaller than theirs succeeding while they're struggling. That's not in the spirit of fairness at all. That's in the spirit of bitterness.
I don't know where this "weak players face only weak players" comes from. Have any of these weak players sent you any proof or where'd you get this data from? I am Uncollected, and I made it to Vibranium after spending about 5k elder marks and facing a lot of Thronebreakers after I made it to Diamond 3.
I'm not claiming there's nothing wrong with the matchmaking and it's perfect but claiming we're getting those rewards handed over to us with no effort because we only have to face weak players (which is kinda what you're implying) is just not true either.
How many 16k Paragons did you face on your well-earned trip to Vibranium?
None, however considering my prestige is barely 9k, facing TB with 12k prestige is not an easy win for me like some of you imply. If you actually read what I typed instead of trying to be edgy because that's the only way you big brains can have an argument on these forums, you'd realize I very clearly said matchmaking is far from perfect but claiming we're getting free wins because we only face weak players is not true either because we're not facing weak players only.
Your just proving the point of many of us. How in the world do you believe you deserve all victory track awards and guaranteed GC awards over those much bigger accounts than you that you do NOT have to face?
I don't know where this "weak players face only weak players" comes from. Have any of these weak players sent you any proof or where'd you get this data from? I am Uncollected, and I made it to Vibranium after spending about 5k elder marks and facing a lot of Thronebreakers after I made it to Diamond 3.
I'm not claiming there's nothing wrong with the matchmaking and it's perfect but claiming we're getting those rewards handed over to us with no effort because we only have to face weak players (which is kinda what you're implying) is just not true either.
How many 16k Paragons did you face on your well-earned trip to Vibranium?
None, however considering my prestige is barely 9k, facing TB with 12k prestige is not an easy win for me like some of you imply. If you actually read what I typed instead of trying to be edgy because that's the only way you big brains can have an argument on these forums, you'd realize I very clearly said matchmaking is far from perfect but claiming we're getting free wins because we only face weak players is not true either because we're not facing weak players only.
9k Prestige and you are at Vibranium? My main is 15.5k Prestige and is at Platinum 3, along with several similar accounts. Do you also think a 9k Prestige account should be placing higher than 15-16k Prestige accounts, in a competitive mode with a shared pool of rewards? No matter how skilled someone is, he would get stomped by these accounts. Anyway, as @Ironman3000 said, congrats on your “well earned” rewards 😂
Another person who can't read? I've mentioned for the third time now that yes matchmaking needs some adjustments cause now it's way too unfair for stronger accounts. My whole point with my comment isn't that I should be above Paragons, my whole comment is about people implying we're getting free easy wins cause that's not the case, this however doesn't mean I think that matchmaking is fair and should stay as is cause I don't think it should. That's just Tweedledum and Tweedledee over here putting words in my mouth lol.
I don't know where this "weak players face only weak players" comes from. Have any of these weak players sent you any proof or where'd you get this data from? I am Uncollected, and I made it to Vibranium after spending about 5k elder marks and facing a lot of Thronebreakers after I made it to Diamond 3.
I'm not claiming there's nothing wrong with the matchmaking and it's perfect but claiming we're getting those rewards handed over to us with no effort because we only have to face weak players (which is kinda what you're implying) is just not true either.
How many 16k Paragons did you face on your well-earned trip to Vibranium?
None, however considering my prestige is barely 9k, facing TB with 12k prestige is not an easy win for me like some of you imply. If you actually read what I typed instead of trying to be edgy because that's the only way you big brains can have an argument on these forums, you'd realize I very clearly said matchmaking is far from perfect but claiming we're getting free wins because we only face weak players is not true either because we're not facing weak players only.
Your just proving the point of many of us. How in the world do you believe you deserve all victory track awards and guaranteed GC awards over those much bigger accounts than you that you do NOT have to face?
Did you even read the whole comment? Lmao I didn't disagree with that part or say matchmaking was fair or that I deserve to be above you, that's just you people misinterpreting the post even though I've said multiple times already, matchmaking needs some changes still. My whole comment was just pointing out that we're not getting free easy wins like you imply on your post that's all. Is that so hard to understand?
I don't know where this "weak players face only weak players" comes from. Have any of these weak players sent you any proof or where'd you get this data from? I am Uncollected, and I made it to Vibranium after spending about 5k elder marks and facing a lot of Thronebreakers after I made it to Diamond 3.
I'm not claiming there's nothing wrong with the matchmaking and it's perfect but claiming we're getting those rewards handed over to us with no effort because we only have to face weak players (which is kinda what you're implying) is just not true either.
How many 16k Paragons did you face on your well-earned trip to Vibranium?
None, however considering my prestige is barely 9k, facing TB with 12k prestige is not an easy win for me like some of you imply. If you actually read what I typed instead of trying to be edgy because that's the only way you big brains can have an argument on these forums, you'd realize I very clearly said matchmaking is far from perfect but claiming we're getting free wins because we only face weak players is not true either because we're not facing weak players only.
9k Prestige and you are at Vibranium? My main is 15.5k Prestige and is at Platinum 3, along with several similar accounts. Do you also think a 9k Prestige account should be placing higher than 15-16k Prestige accounts, in a competitive mode with a shared pool of rewards? No matter how skilled someone is, he would get stomped by these accounts. Anyway, as @Ironman3000 said, congrats on your “well earned” rewards 😂
Another person who can't read? I've mentioned for the third time now that yes matchmaking needs some adjustments cause now it's way too unfair for stronger accounts. My whole point with my comment isn't that I should be above Paragons, my whole comment is about people implying we're getting free easy wins cause that's not the case, this however doesn't mean I think that matchmaking is fair and should stay as is cause I don't think it should. That's just Tweedledum and Tweedledee over here putting words in my mouth lol.
If no one can understand your "argument" the issue is that your argument is terrible. You're arguing that you faced some hard matches vs mid-game players while avoiding every single endgame Paragon as if that makes your rewards well-earned. Facing a 12k TB is not a hard match to an end-game Paragon so using that to prove your point that you didn't face tough matches is wrong. What you consider a tough match is what we consider a free and easy win because of how much stronger we are than you.
I don't know where this "weak players face only weak players" comes from. Have any of these weak players sent you any proof or where'd you get this data from? I am Uncollected, and I made it to Vibranium after spending about 5k elder marks and facing a lot of Thronebreakers after I made it to Diamond 3.
I'm not claiming there's nothing wrong with the matchmaking and it's perfect but claiming we're getting those rewards handed over to us with no effort because we only have to face weak players (which is kinda what you're implying) is just not true either.
How many 16k Paragons did you face on your well-earned trip to Vibranium?
None, however considering my prestige is barely 9k, facing TB with 12k prestige is not an easy win for me like some of you imply. If you actually read what I typed instead of trying to be edgy because that's the only way you big brains can have an argument on these forums, you'd realize I very clearly said matchmaking is far from perfect but claiming we're getting free wins because we only face weak players is not true either because we're not facing weak players only.
9k Prestige and you are at Vibranium? My main is 15.5k Prestige and is at Platinum 3, along with several similar accounts. Do you also think a 9k Prestige account should be placing higher than 15-16k Prestige accounts, in a competitive mode with a shared pool of rewards? No matter how skilled someone is, he would get stomped by these accounts. Anyway, as @Ironman3000 said, congrats on your “well earned” rewards 😂
Another person who can't read? I've mentioned for the third time now that yes matchmaking needs some adjustments cause now it's way too unfair for stronger accounts. My whole point with my comment isn't that I should be above Paragons, my whole comment is about people implying we're getting free easy wins cause that's not the case, this however doesn't mean I think that matchmaking is fair and should stay as is cause I don't think it should. That's just Tweedledum and Tweedledee over here putting words in my mouth lol.
If no one can understand your "argument" the issue is that your argument is terrible. You're arguing that you faced some hard matches vs mid-game players while avoiding every single endgame Paragon as if that makes your rewards well-earned. Facing a 12k TB is not a hard match to an end-game Paragon so using that to prove your point that you didn't face tough matches is wrong. What you consider a tough match is what we consider a free and easy win because of how much stronger we are than you.
It's not a terrible argument when I have proof of all the TB I had to fight to get to Vibranium, since I'm UC that means I did not in fact have free easy wins, which is my whole point here.
Dude I never said they were well earned why are you so dense lmao you keep arguing something I never said cause for the fifth time, I do believe matchmaking is punishing high prestige way too hard now.
Okay, then that's a free easy win for YOU, not ME, the comment was implying WE are getting free easy wins? See how your logic doesn't make sense or you want me to spell it out again?
People keep talking about Rewards as if we're entitled to them. Everyone earns them in the game mode. That's what performance-based means. You don't have the "top dogs" staking their claim and waiting for challengers. Each Season, we're measured on our progress within that Season. Not where we think we should be. I can't win a Grammy for the Album I should have made. To some effect, people fight their way up, yes. Not against every other single Player. That's not how it works. Things thin out the higher you go, for sure. There's this idea that people have to fight the biggest Accounts to earn their way up, and that isn't the case with this game mode. Not entirely. This is exactly why I'm concerned this game mode is going to turn into what War has. Same Alliances taking the same Rankings Season after Season, no one progressing other than the upper crust, and no one outside of that cares enough to try that hard. Once you kill the morale for people, what's the point? Fairness doesn't have to mean completely parallel and equal, but it certainly doesn't have to reflect some kind of ingrained predetermined standing that prevents anyone else from benefitting that isn't a member of the exclusive club. The fact that we're having this discussion about the VT, before the real competition even begins, is nonsensical to me. A real competition starts out with reasonable Matches, and allows a Player to earn their way up based on performance. Not by a wolf pack of Matches that only benefits one demographic. Eventually, when you get to a certain point, you'll come up against stronger Players, sure. Not this idea that people never made it past the VT because they never fought Accounts 3 times their size or more. That's just arrogant. If you can't get to where someone lower than you is at with Matches equal to your own, why is it the fault of Accounts weaker than your own? If there's real skill, why are you entitled to overpower someone weaker to propel you? What makes their winning less fair than your losing? This whole discussion is because it bruises the egos of some to see Accounts smaller than theirs succeeding while they're struggling. That's not in the spirit of fairness at all. That's in the spirit of bitterness.
Ok, let’s just try to agree to what you that account strength shouldn’t matter at Battlegrounds, only skills. Why the heck then Kabam, doesn’t restrict BGs to only 4*s, which everyone has easy access and can max out too, or even better give access to all 4*s maxed (only for BGs), and keep allowing us to use 5*s or even 6*s that not all players have access to? You know why they don’t? Because any in game progress would be irrelevant for BGs. It’s a progress based game, and that is what the company wants the player to be after, in order to monetise the game and keep it running. As for the entitlement you referred, yes Paragon players are LITERALLY entitled to get more rewards. They get better offers, better login calendars etc. They earned that title by playing the game, it wasn’t handed to them for free. If you have problem with titles and entitlement, you can suggest a better way to Kabam to classify players accounts progress.
Why should professional athletes expect to get chartered planes and free equipment when high school athletes need to ride the bus and buy their own gear? It's just not fair!
People keep talking about Rewards as if we're entitled to them. Everyone earns them in the game mode. That's what performance-based means. You don't have the "top dogs" staking their claim and waiting for challengers. Each Season, we're measured on our progress within that Season. Not where we think we should be. I can't win a Grammy for the Album I should have made. To some effect, people fight their way up, yes. Not against every other single Player. That's not how it works. Things thin out the higher you go, for sure. There's this idea that people have to fight the biggest Accounts to earn their way up, and that isn't the case with this game mode. Not entirely. This is exactly why I'm concerned this game mode is going to turn into what War has. Same Alliances taking the same Rankings Season after Season, no one progressing other than the upper crust, and no one outside of that cares enough to try that hard. Once you kill the morale for people, what's the point? Fairness doesn't have to mean completely parallel and equal, but it certainly doesn't have to reflect some kind of ingrained predetermined standing that prevents anyone else from benefitting that isn't a member of the exclusive club. The fact that we're having this discussion about the VT, before the real competition even begins, is nonsensical to me. A real competition starts out with reasonable Matches, and allows a Player to earn their way up based on performance. Not by a wolf pack of Matches that only benefits one demographic. Eventually, when you get to a certain point, you'll come up against stronger Players, sure. Not this idea that people never made it past the VT because they never fought Accounts 3 times their size or more. That's just arrogant. If you can't get to where someone lower than you is at with Matches equal to your own, why is it the fault of Accounts weaker than your own? If there's real skill, why are you entitled to overpower someone weaker to propel you? What makes their winning less fair than your losing? This whole discussion is because it bruises the egos of some to see Accounts smaller than theirs succeeding while they're struggling. That's not in the spirit of fairness at all. That's in the spirit of bitterness.
Ok, let’s just try to agree to what you that account strength shouldn’t matter at Battlegrounds, only skills. Why the heck then Kabam, doesn’t restrict BGs to only 4*s, which everyone has easy access and can max out too, or even better give access to all 4*s maxed (only for BGs), and keep allowing us to use 5*s or even 6*s that not all players have access to? You know why they don’t? Because any in game progress would be irrelevant for BGs. It’s a progress based game, and that is what the company wants the player to be after, in order to monetise the game and keep it running. As for the entitlement you referred, yes Paragon players are LITERALLY entitled to get more rewards. They get better offers, better login calendars etc. They earned that title by playing the game, it wasn’t handed to them for free. If you have problem with titles and entitlement, you can suggest a better way to Kabam to classify players accounts progress.
There are a number of ways Players receive an advantage for those Milestones. Nor did I say that it shouldn't provide something. What I said was, BG progress is currently measured by BG progress. What the argument here is, and let's be honest, people feel entitled to easy Wins in the VT because their Accounts are bigger. That has very little to do with progress in BGs. Equally, they're asserting that the people who are successful in the current iteration aren't earning their success because they never had the opportunity to obliterate them, that they feel they're entitled to. Should Roster play a factor? Sure. Not as a way to beat people into staying in the beginner's circle. People are entitled to their progress in the game mode. Not their progress plus a measurement of Accounts.
Little refresher as to what prestige based match making did to alliance wars.
I tracked alliances that were in Masters to Gold 2. Orange color denotes an alliance the has between 20-30% prestige difference from highest prestige alliance in that tier. Red color means that alliance has more than 30% prestige difference.
You can see there's a 7500 prestige alliance in Plat 2 along with a lot of alliances above 10k. This was from 3 years ago. I had a 3k prestige alliance that played only 1 BG wars. We made it to Gold 2 before they changed match making to be based off war rating. There's no way my little 3k prestige alliance put in more effort than those 9k+ prestige alliances in the same tier playing 3 BGs.
Regarding quality of matches, I'm sure anyone under Paragon is not facing war master players with all the newest champs at high ranks.
The problem with the arguments being made by lower tiers is that you're viewing it purely from your point of view, which is "I'm fighting people with an equal deck strength."
If you stop right there, you would be absolutely right. That's the problem though...you can't stop right there, cause at those UC and Thronebreaker levels, there's a much greater margin of error for luck and game play.
At the upper echelons of prestige, you can assume most people have an extremely similar deck.
This means right off the bat, your bans are extremely impactful. "Do I ban that Galan? If I do, I don't have access to him." In a lower "bracket" that may be an easy decision cause you don't have a 6*r4 Galan like your opponent.
So now we're past the bans. Here comes the draft. Let the RNG Gods rain down, or shine their light on you. That 6*R4 Magneto shows up in the first round, and you think "He's not great for Omega Sentinal or Nimrod....I won't draft him right now." Then your opponent drafts Doom, and Magneto never shows up again. Just a small example of the massive impact RNG plays in the higher end. Lower end "brackets" maybe not a big deal, cause you literally only have a handful of attackers, and you're simply hoping to power through without having to consider the counter, because you don't have a better option to weigh it against.
Lastly comes the actual fights. God help you if you make one mistake. Miss a parry, you're losing. Fail an intercept, you're losing. Game lags, which is completely out of your hands, and all too common....you're losing. Now yes, the same can be said for your opponent, but that's again where the margin of error comes in. In those lower brackets, you can probably still win cause your opponent probably doesn't have an champ that will punish your mistake as hard.
So you have three phases, each with very little margin for error cause the decks are likely to be so similar.
So yes, when you say 10k prestige fighting 10k prestige is fair, you're not wrong. But that doesn't make it an equal challenge.
That's where folks with high end profiles our frustrated. Our challenge is significantly greater given the much more narrow margin of error in multiple phases that can be the difference in winning or losing. We have to have good luck and perfect fighting far more consecutively than lower levels to get out of VT. So now when you accept that fact, then discuss the fact that we're all vying for the exact same rewards, no, this current system is not creating a level playing field for all.
Personally, I just got into GC today.
They way that should work in a proper system where everyone is competing for the same rewards is that everyone fights everyone else. Yes, it will suck for the lower profiles when you are randomly matched with a stronger account, but eventually, those stronger accounts won't be there, cause they would have gotten into GC sooner, so the herd would thin to just accounts similar to yours. Heck, odds are, by week 2 or 3, you'd probably be getting matched up with accounts much easier than your own, giving you a much easier glide path to GC at that point.
The bottom line is, in a system where everyone is competing for the same rewards, everyone should be subject to fighting everyone else, completely at random.
If Kabam doesn't want that, then they need to create different tiers for the rewards so that they properly reflect the challenge faced on the road to those rewards.
But don't think for a second that all 10k prestige accounts are created equal. You are almost certainly getting matches where you can steam roll your competition which is exactly what you're saying top tier accounts shouldn't be able to do.
You don't think it's equally as tough for people without the right counters on the other end? Some cases it's worse because of the Global Node this Season, which I meant to point out earlier. It's been a tougher Season for everyone, and without the right counters, you're taking Damage no matter what. It's the same hurdle either way. Do more Damage, lose less, and the fastest is the tie breaker.
The problem with the arguments being made by lower tiers is that you're viewing it purely from your point of view, which is "I'm fighting people with an equal deck strength."
If you stop right there, you would be absolutely right. That's the problem though...you can't stop right there, cause at those UC and Thronebreaker levels, there's a much greater margin of error for luck and game play.
At the upper echelons of prestige, you can assume most people have an extremely similar deck.
This means right off the bat, your bans are extremely impactful. "Do I ban that Galan? If I do, I don't have access to him." In a lower "bracket" that may be an easy decision cause you don't have a 6*r4 Galan like your opponent.
So now we're past the bans. Here comes the draft. Let the RNG Gods rain down, or shine their light on you. That 6*R4 Magneto shows up in the first round, and you think "He's not great for Omega Sentinal or Nimrod....I won't draft him right now." Then your opponent drafts Doom, and Magneto never shows up again. Just a small example of the massive impact RNG plays in the higher end. Lower end "brackets" maybe not a big deal, cause you literally only have a handful of attackers, and you're simply hoping to power through without having to consider the counter, because you don't have a better option to weigh it against.
Lastly comes the actual fights. God help you if you make one mistake. Miss a parry, you're losing. Fail an intercept, you're losing. Game lags, which is completely out of your hands, and all too common....you're losing. Now yes, the same can be said for your opponent, but that's again where the margin of error comes in. In those lower brackets, you can probably still win cause your opponent probably doesn't have an champ that will punish your mistake as hard.
So you have three phases, each with very little margin for error cause the decks are likely to be so similar.
So yes, when you say 10k prestige fighting 10k prestige is fair, you're not wrong. But that doesn't make it an equal challenge.
That's where folks with high end profiles our frustrated. Our challenge is significantly greater given the much more narrow margin of error in multiple phases that can be the difference in winning or losing. We have to have good luck and perfect fighting far more consecutively than lower levels to get out of VT. So now when you accept that fact, then discuss the fact that we're all vying for the exact same rewards, no, this current system is not creating a level playing field for all.
Personally, I just got into GC today.
They way that should work in a proper system where everyone is competing for the same rewards is that everyone fights everyone else. Yes, it will suck for the lower profiles when you are randomly matched with a stronger account, but eventually, those stronger accounts won't be there, cause they would have gotten into GC sooner, so the herd would thin to just accounts similar to yours. Heck, odds are, by week 2 or 3, you'd probably be getting matched up with accounts much easier than your own, giving you a much easier glide path to GC at that point.
The bottom line is, in a system where everyone is competing for the same rewards, everyone should be subject to fighting everyone else, completely at random.
If Kabam doesn't want that, then they need to create different tiers for the rewards so that they properly reflect the challenge faced on the road to those rewards.
But don't think for a second that all 10k prestige accounts are created equal. You are almost certainly getting matches where you can steam roll your competition which is exactly what you're saying top tier accounts shouldn't be able to do.
To add to your point, this is how close my matches have been. It’s literally 1 second faster and I lost the match even though I had 1% more health. The margin for error is so tiny.
You don't think it's equally as tough for people without the right counters on the other end? Some cases it's worse because of the Global Node this Season, which I meant to point out earlier. It's been a tougher Season for everyone, and without the right counters, you're taking Damage no matter what. It's the same hurdle either way. Do more Damage, lose less, and the fastest is the tie breaker.
Do you have a 6*r4 Galan? How about a 6*r4 Hulking?
Cause if you don't, odds are you're banning those champs the moment you see them in someone else's deck.
At the higher end EVERYONE has them. No easy decision to ban them now, cause you're taking them from yourself as well.
The decision making is much easier at the lower end, cause their deck won't be the exact same. It's exactly why the pause method still works in lower brackets, cause you're effectively playing not to lose....versus in the higher brackets, you have to play to win.
It is exactly the same game mode. Everyone is competing for the same rewards except in BGs everyone starts back at zero. If Kabam reset war rating for everyone back to zero and introduced prestige based match making, we get what we have in BGs.
You don't think it's equally as tough for people without the right counters on the other end? Some cases it's worse because of the Global Node this Season, which I meant to point out earlier. It's been a tougher Season for everyone, and without the right counters, you're taking Damage no matter what. It's the same hurdle either way. Do more Damage, lose less, and the fastest is the tie breaker.
Do you have a 6*r4 Galan? How about a 6*r4 Hulking?
Cause if you don't, odds are you're banning those champs the moment you see them in someone else's deck.
At the higher end EVERYONE has them. No easy decision to ban them now, cause you're taking them from yourself as well.
The decision making is much easier at the lower end, cause their deck won't be the exact same. It's exactly why the pause method still works in lower brackets, cause you're effectively playing not to lose....versus in the higher brackets, you have to play to win.
That's luck of the draft, and that's the same for anyone else, at any other point. R4 just means people are bringing other R4s/R3s to the table, same on both sides. That's not any more unique than what's happening at other levels.
It is exactly the same game mode. Everyone is competing for the same rewards except in BGs everyone starts back at zero. If Kabam reset war rating for everyone back to zero and introduced prestige based match making, we get what we have in BGs.
It is not the same. Not at all, and we already have War.
@GroundedWisdom That's where you're wrong my friend. A 6*R4 Galan has the 16th highest prestige in the game. That is to say, he's not a prestige champ.
That means someone in Thronebreaker could quite literally have a 6*r4 Galan, one of the best attackers for the current VT meta, but still have low prestige, which means when you see him in someone's deck, and you don't have him, it's an easy decision to ban him.
With your opponent not having one of his best options, that makes it easier for you.
I suspect however, that the percentage of 15k prestige accounts with at least a 6*r3 Galan is likely >75%. Not such an easy decision to ban anymore.
@GroundedWisdom That's where you're wrong my friend. A 6*R4 Galan has the 16th highest prestige in the game. That is to say, he's not a prestige champ.
That means someone in Thronebreaker could quite literally have a 6*r4 Galan, one of the best attackers for the current VT meta, but still have low prestige, which means when you see him in someone's deck, and you don't have him, it's an easy decision to ban him.
With your opponent not having one of his best options, that makes it easier for you.
I suspect however, that the percentage of 15k prestige accounts with at least a 6*r3 Galan is likely >75%. Not such an easy decision to ban anymore.
Prestige isn't just measured by one Champ. Not that I'm necessarily advocating for anything. It's not just the top Champ you have.
@GroundedWisdom That's where you're wrong my friend. A 6*R4 Galan has the 16th highest prestige in the game. That is to say, he's not a prestige champ.
That means someone in Thronebreaker could quite literally have a 6*r4 Galan, one of the best attackers for the current VT meta, but still have low prestige, which means when you see him in someone's deck, and you don't have him, it's an easy decision to ban him.
With your opponent not having one of his best options, that makes it easier for you.
I suspect however, that the percentage of 15k prestige accounts with at least a 6*r3 Galan is likely >75%. Not such an easy decision to ban anymore.
Prestige isn't just measured by one Champ. Not that I'm necessarily advocating for anything. It's not just the top Champ you have.
No, it's based on the top 5 highest prestige champs. And for years, it has been the metric to separate the highest alliances in AQ, so in effect, Kabam has been encouraging players to rank up those prestige champs.
Now, with the current BG match making system, those very same people are being punished for it.
That's not opinion or hyperbole. That's a fact that is indisputable.
Not to mention the overlooked fact that the system increases the strength of the Champs you're fighting automatically. So that whole "easy wins" theory is less supported.
Trying to have a discussion about Paragon BGs with a Cav who refuses to admit that he doesn't know what he doesn't know is pointless. Everyone knows that he's wrong but for some reason, he won't admit it. IN fact he'll just double down and try to overwhelm you with post after post until you just give up.
This is the second time you've made that mistake. I'm not Cav. I'm TB. I could care less if I was Proven. Whipping out Titles in a discussion is a last resort.
I'm going to choose to rise above throwing mud, but I can't ignore the fact that you are making a conscious effort to avoid the whole, and instead focus solely on the "fair match" aspect.
So to that end, are you willing to say right now, that if Kabam creates progression based brackets, and reduces the rewards a Thronebreaker has access to, every step of the way, no matter how significant those reductions are, that you will never make a single comment complaining about them?
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My main is 15.5k Prestige and is at Platinum 3, along with several similar accounts.
Do you also think a 9k Prestige account should be placing higher than 15-16k Prestige accounts, in a competitive mode with a shared pool of rewards?
No matter how skilled someone is, he would get stomped by these accounts.
Anyway, as @Ironman3000 said, congrats on your “well earned” rewards 😂
How is that fair on a competition with shared rewards?
How can someone then can claim, my rewards were well earned, if he eluded the competition?
To some effect, people fight their way up, yes. Not against every other single Player. That's not how it works. Things thin out the higher you go, for sure. There's this idea that people have to fight the biggest Accounts to earn their way up, and that isn't the case with this game mode. Not entirely.
This is exactly why I'm concerned this game mode is going to turn into what War has. Same Alliances taking the same Rankings Season after Season, no one progressing other than the upper crust, and no one outside of that cares enough to try that hard. Once you kill the morale for people, what's the point?
Fairness doesn't have to mean completely parallel and equal, but it certainly doesn't have to reflect some kind of ingrained predetermined standing that prevents anyone else from benefitting that isn't a member of the exclusive club. The fact that we're having this discussion about the VT, before the real competition even begins, is nonsensical to me.
A real competition starts out with reasonable Matches, and allows a Player to earn their way up based on performance. Not by a wolf pack of Matches that only benefits one demographic. Eventually, when you get to a certain point, you'll come up against stronger Players, sure. Not this idea that people never made it past the VT because they never fought Accounts 3 times their size or more. That's just arrogant.
If you can't get to where someone lower than you is at with Matches equal to your own, why is it the fault of Accounts weaker than your own? If there's real skill, why are you entitled to overpower someone weaker to propel you? What makes their winning less fair than your losing?
This whole discussion is because it bruises the egos of some to see Accounts smaller than theirs succeeding while they're struggling. That's not in the spirit of fairness at all. That's in the spirit of bitterness.
Dude I never said they were well earned why are you so dense lmao you keep arguing something I never said cause for the fifth time, I do believe matchmaking is punishing high prestige way too hard now.
Okay, then that's a free easy win for YOU, not ME, the comment was implying WE are getting free easy wins? See how your logic doesn't make sense or you want me to spell it out again?
Why the heck then Kabam, doesn’t restrict BGs to only 4*s, which everyone has easy access and can max out too, or even better give access to all 4*s maxed (only for BGs), and keep allowing us to use 5*s or even 6*s that not all players have access to?
You know why they don’t?
Because any in game progress would be irrelevant for BGs.
It’s a progress based game, and that is what the company wants the player to be after, in order to monetise the game and keep it running.
As for the entitlement you referred, yes Paragon players are LITERALLY entitled to get more rewards.
They get better offers, better login calendars etc.
They earned that title by playing the game, it wasn’t handed to them for free.
If you have problem with titles and entitlement, you can suggest a better way to Kabam to classify players accounts progress.
What the argument here is, and let's be honest, people feel entitled to easy Wins in the VT because their Accounts are bigger. That has very little to do with progress in BGs.
Equally, they're asserting that the people who are successful in the current iteration aren't earning their success because they never had the opportunity to obliterate them, that they feel they're entitled to.
Should Roster play a factor? Sure. Not as a way to beat people into staying in the beginner's circle. People are entitled to their progress in the game mode. Not their progress plus a measurement of Accounts.
I tracked alliances that were in Masters to Gold 2. Orange color denotes an alliance the has between 20-30% prestige difference from highest prestige alliance in that tier. Red color means that alliance has more than 30% prestige difference.
You can see there's a 7500 prestige alliance in Plat 2 along with a lot of alliances above 10k. This was from 3 years ago. I had a 3k prestige alliance that played only 1 BG wars. We made it to Gold 2 before they changed match making to be based off war rating. There's no way my little 3k prestige alliance put in more effort than those 9k+ prestige alliances in the same tier playing 3 BGs.
Regarding quality of matches, I'm sure anyone under Paragon is not facing war master players with all the newest champs at high ranks.
If you stop right there, you would be absolutely right. That's the problem though...you can't stop right there, cause at those UC and Thronebreaker levels, there's a much greater margin of error for luck and game play.
At the upper echelons of prestige, you can assume most people have an extremely similar deck.
This means right off the bat, your bans are extremely impactful. "Do I ban that Galan? If I do, I don't have access to him." In a lower "bracket" that may be an easy decision cause you don't have a 6*r4 Galan like your opponent.
So now we're past the bans. Here comes the draft. Let the RNG Gods rain down, or shine their light on you. That 6*R4 Magneto shows up in the first round, and you think "He's not great for Omega Sentinal or Nimrod....I won't draft him right now." Then your opponent drafts Doom, and Magneto never shows up again. Just a small example of the massive impact RNG plays in the higher end. Lower end "brackets" maybe not a big deal, cause you literally only have a handful of attackers, and you're simply hoping to power through without having to consider the counter, because you don't have a better option to weigh it against.
Lastly comes the actual fights. God help you if you make one mistake. Miss a parry, you're losing. Fail an intercept, you're losing. Game lags, which is completely out of your hands, and all too common....you're losing. Now yes, the same can be said for your opponent, but that's again where the margin of error comes in. In those lower brackets, you can probably still win cause your opponent probably doesn't have an champ that will punish your mistake as hard.
So you have three phases, each with very little margin for error cause the decks are likely to be so similar.
So yes, when you say 10k prestige fighting 10k prestige is fair, you're not wrong. But that doesn't make it an equal challenge.
That's where folks with high end profiles our frustrated. Our challenge is significantly greater given the much more narrow margin of error in multiple phases that can be the difference in winning or losing. We have to have good luck and perfect fighting far more consecutively than lower levels to get out of VT. So now when you accept that fact, then discuss the fact that we're all vying for the exact same rewards, no, this current system is not creating a level playing field for all.
Personally, I just got into GC today.
They way that should work in a proper system where everyone is competing for the same rewards is that everyone fights everyone else. Yes, it will suck for the lower profiles when you are randomly matched with a stronger account, but eventually, those stronger accounts won't be there, cause they would have gotten into GC sooner, so the herd would thin to just accounts similar to yours. Heck, odds are, by week 2 or 3, you'd probably be getting matched up with accounts much easier than your own, giving you a much easier glide path to GC at that point.
The bottom line is, in a system where everyone is competing for the same rewards, everyone should be subject to fighting everyone else, completely at random.
If Kabam doesn't want that, then they need to create different tiers for the rewards so that they properly reflect the challenge faced on the road to those rewards.
But don't think for a second that all 10k prestige accounts are created equal. You are almost certainly getting matches where you can steam roll your competition which is exactly what you're saying top tier accounts shouldn't be able to do.
It's the same hurdle either way. Do more Damage, lose less, and the fastest is the tie breaker.
Cause if you don't, odds are you're banning those champs the moment you see them in someone else's deck.
At the higher end EVERYONE has them. No easy decision to ban them now, cause you're taking them from yourself as well.
The decision making is much easier at the lower end, cause their deck won't be the exact same. It's exactly why the pause method still works in lower brackets, cause you're effectively playing not to lose....versus in the higher brackets, you have to play to win.
That means someone in Thronebreaker could quite literally have a 6*r4 Galan, one of the best attackers for the current VT meta, but still have low prestige, which means when you see him in someone's deck, and you don't have him, it's an easy decision to ban him.
With your opponent not having one of his best options, that makes it easier for you.
I suspect however, that the percentage of 15k prestige accounts with at least a 6*r3 Galan is likely >75%. Not such an easy decision to ban anymore.
Now, with the current BG match making system, those very same people are being punished for it.
That's not opinion or hyperbole. That's a fact that is indisputable.
So to that end, are you willing to say right now, that if Kabam creates progression based brackets, and reduces the rewards a Thronebreaker has access to, every step of the way, no matter how significant those reductions are, that you will never make a single comment complaining about them?