We've had conversations about this recently, so we can echo the same sentiments.
Firstly, Relics were introduced to the game with the express purpose of being lower impact. If they were a must-have right out the gate and completely changed the game, the community would riot. We also didn't want anyone to feel like the roster they've developed was dwarfed in relation to this new addition.
The relic rewards tied to Solo Objectives have been added to each month's side quests. They're not replacing anything you would have otherwise received; everything is redistributed. This, again, is so that if you don't want them, you don't have to do the content.
I know we've discussed recently this shift, where MCOC is growing into a game where you cannot feasibly do everything each month; this further emphasizes this. I know it causes discomfort for some but, again, you are not losing anything by relics being added to the game.
If you do not want relics, you don't have to chase, unlock or use relics. If you do like relics, they will continue to grow, change and evolve their place in the contest.
The fact is that relics ARE a must have and have a big impact by their addition to prestige in AQ and thus the rewards you can earn.
i am not against relics, but we need more Tiers 1 & 2 alloys to rank up the relics we have. gathering enough Tiers 1 & 2 class alloys take months for those who do not grind Battleground points in the Gladiator circuit
At least give is more of them and more of the relic catalysts. Instead of 250 shards why not make it 2500? 1 five star relic a month from the objectives certainly wouldn’t break the game.
We've had conversations about this recently, so we can echo the same sentiments.
Firstly, Relics were introduced to the game with the express purpose of being lower impact. If they were a must-have right out the gate and completely changed the game, the community would riot. We also didn't want anyone to feel like the roster they've developed was dwarfed in relation to this new addition.
The relic rewards tied to Solo Objectives have been added to each month's side quests. They're not replacing anything you would have otherwise received; everything is redistributed. This, again, is so that if you don't want them, you don't have to do the content.
I know we've discussed recently this shift, where MCOC is growing into a game where you cannot feasibly do everything each month; this further emphasizes this. I know it causes discomfort for some but, again, you are not losing anything by relics being added to the game.
If you do not want relics, you don't have to chase, unlock or use relics. If you do like relics, they will continue to grow, change and evolve their place in the contest.
If they’re so “low-impact” why are they rewards for threat levels 4-5 (thronebreaker:paragon)? That makes sense to you? Why are the shards more valuable than the pitiful amount of relic awards but place in threats 1 and 2? You say “oh well you don’t have to do or use them” but that’s exactly why the players is asking why are you forcing it and replacing it what can be valuable rewards for dirt. Then you mention “you cannot feasibly do everything in a month” bro I can’t even do one act 7 or 8 quest with 1 set of energy. Ya make everything so difficult as if the players can never know what makes them happy. It’s sad to say but this company would’ve never thrived if it wasn’t for the marvel IP, ya disrespect ya players to consistently with terrible decisions, lack of compensation yet KNOW the game makes a lot mistakes on ya part, the progression for thronebreaker and paragon PLATEAUS HEAVILY after cavalier, and the responses Jax gives be so on the line of “well you should’ve known how this goes” or “Well just don’t do it” that’s pathetic.
I do not like that they replace useful resources, but the positive side is I don’t feel like I have to do any of these objectives because I have no interest in relics. Lol
I'm so happy today is "let's complain about free stuff" day. Glad I didn't miss it.
It ain’t really that
Kabam Jax just told us relic mats are additional rewards on the side quest, so it is actually "free" stuff. Could they switch relic rewards for regular rewards? Yes, they could, but I reckon that would create a potential economy problem.
Relics are a new addition to the game and we have been asking for alternate progression for years, now we get some version of it and people complain.
I get that change is difficult and humans, in general, don't adjust to change easily. The reality is that relics are quite useful if you know how to use them. Nick Fury is on his second life? Use your striker to stun him. That's just one example of the potential usefulness of relics. Watch an endgame youtuber use strikers and tell me they're useless.
People keep saying relics are being "shoved down our throats" when it's quite the opposite. We are getting few mats here and there. If you want to pursue them, you have the choice to do it, If you don't that's your choice. You have the choice to rank them or not. People that actually care about prestige will end up ranking them, the endgame players will adjust faster cause it's a requirement to further progress.
The main problem I see is people adapting to change, this will happen with every new feature of the game. It happened with 6 stars, it happened with battlegrounds, it's happening with relics and it will happen in a few months when 7 stars are released.
“Adapt or perish, now as ever, is nature’s inexorable imperative.” – H. G. Wells
I'm so happy today is "let's complain about free stuff" day. Glad I didn't miss it.
It ain’t really that
Kabam Jax just told us relic mats are additional rewards on the side quest, so it is actually "free" stuff. Could they switch relic rewards for regular rewards? Yes, they could, but I reckon that would create a potential economy problem.
Relics are a new addition to the game and we have been asking for alternate progression for years, now we get some version of it and people complain.
I get that change is difficult and humans, in general, don't adjust to change easily. The reality is that relics are quite useful if you know how to use them. Nick Fury is on his second life? Use your striker to stun him. That's just one example of the potential usefulness of relics. Watch an endgame youtuber use strikers and tell me they're useless.
People keep saying relics are being "shoved down our throats" when it's quite the opposite. We are getting few mats here and there. If you want to pursue them, you have the choice to do it, If you don't that's your choice. You have the choice to rank them or not. People that actually care about prestige will end up ranking them, the endgame players will adjust faster cause it's a requirement to further progress.
The main problem I see is people adapting to change, this will happen with every new feature of the game. It happened with 6 stars, it happened with battlegrounds, it's happening with relics and it will happen in a few months when 7 stars are released.
“Adapt or perish, now as ever, is nature’s inexorable imperative.” – H. G. Wells
Clearly you are not understanding the complain at all, so Ill make it clearer in a shorter comment.
Lvl 4 Objectives and Lvl 5 Objectives give ONLY relics.
Lvl 3 and below give normal objectives.
People want normal objectives, you wanna add relics? Nice, but we dont want relics OVER the normal objectives, if you add something, you dont remove anything, the problem is that thats what they did.
And MOST of the people, NOT EVERYBODY are dropping those objectives because the effort is not worth.
I'm so happy today is "let's complain about free stuff" day. Glad I didn't miss it.
LMFAOOOOOO you sound ignorant. Complaining about “free stuff”. So the only things that are worth addressing is deals, daily cards, and offers?😂I didn’t know that’s what makes players love and stick around with a game. I also didn’t know time, effort, and resources weren’t considered as expenses we plays have to use in order to play the game. And according to your logic, hypothetically, you’ll be perfectly fine only receiving 1 & 2*champs as rewards as long as it’s free right?
I don't think you know the difference between free stuff and rewards you work for. Let me dumb it down for you: I work 6 hour shifts, I earn 60 bucks. Boss sees my progress and my hard work, I earn another 60 bucks. Boss brings donuts to the office the next day cause he's a cool cat and he likes donuts. Those donuts are free.
See the difference? You worked for one set of rewards, you got donuts for free.
Relic mats in the side quest are the donuts.
Your analogy for the 2* champ rewards is wrong, since there are progression tiered rewards. Is it my first day playing the game? Hell yeah gimme free 2*s.
Am also one, don't like relics, only reason, it interferes with my inputs on ipad, I consistently accidently press it, not sure if there is a way to move that striker trigger or disable it, very bothersome... I don't want it to be there. There are so many games that allow you to customize the controls, but not here.
But you didn’t have to work for the donuts right? They were given, correct? In sq, you have to work to complete the objectives otherwise they wouldn’t be objectives so no it’s you whom is struggling to understand the difference. This month sq already feels lackluster in rewards for the higher progression levels and now you and jax tryna tell everyone “well just don’t go for the objectives rewards” is a joke because the rewards already are low and trash. If the majority of the player base at the higher progression levels expresses this then your minority white knight opinion is flawed because there’s merit to what we’re saying. I rarely ever see a game company put something out for a game and then tell the majority of their players “we’ll just don’t go for it” LMFAOOOOOO WTF
I'm so happy today is "let's complain about free stuff" day. Glad I didn't miss it.
LMFAOOOOOO you sound ignorant. Complaining about “free stuff”. So the only things that are worth addressing is deals, daily cards, and offers?😂I didn’t know that’s what makes players love and stick around with a game. I also didn’t know time, effort, and resources weren’t considered as expenses we plays have to use in order to play the game. And according to your logic, hypothetically, you’ll be perfectly fine only receiving 1 & 2*champs as rewards as long as it’s free right?
I don't think you know the difference between free stuff and rewards you work for. Let me dumb it down for you: I work 6 hour shifts, I earn 60 bucks. Boss sees my progress and my hard work, I earn another 60 bucks. Boss brings donuts to the office the next day cause he's a cool cat and he likes donuts. Those donuts are free.
See the difference? You worked for one set of rewards, you got donuts for free.
Relic mats in the side quest are the donuts.
Your analogy for the 2* champ rewards is wrong, since there are progression tiered rewards. Is it my first day playing the game? Hell yeah gimme free 2*s.
I'm so happy today is "let's complain about free stuff" day. Glad I didn't miss it.
It ain’t really that
Kabam Jax just told us relic mats are additional rewards on the side quest, so it is actually "free" stuff. Could they switch relic rewards for regular rewards? Yes, they could, but I reckon that would create a potential economy problem.
Relics are a new addition to the game and we have been asking for alternate progression for years, now we get some version of it and people complain.
I get that change is difficult and humans, in general, don't adjust to change easily. The reality is that relics are quite useful if you know how to use them. Nick Fury is on his second life? Use your striker to stun him. That's just one example of the potential usefulness of relics. Watch an endgame youtuber use strikers and tell me they're useless.
People keep saying relics are being "shoved down our throats" when it's quite the opposite. We are getting few mats here and there. If you want to pursue them, you have the choice to do it, If you don't that's your choice. You have the choice to rank them or not. People that actually care about prestige will end up ranking them, the endgame players will adjust faster cause it's a requirement to further progress.
The main problem I see is people adapting to change, this will happen with every new feature of the game. It happened with 6 stars, it happened with battlegrounds, it's happening with relics and it will happen in a few months when 7 stars are released.
“Adapt or perish, now as ever, is nature’s inexorable imperative.” – H. G. Wells
Clearly you are not understanding the complain at all, so Ill make it clearer in a shorter comment.
Lvl 4 Objectives and Lvl 5 Objectives give ONLY relics.
Lvl 3 and below give normal objectives.
People want normal objectives, you wanna add relics? Nice, but we dont want relics OVER the normal objectives, if you add something, you dont remove anything, the problem is that thats what they did.
And MOST of the people, NOT EVERYBODY are dropping those objectives because the effort is not worth.
Lvl 3 and below, most likely, dont have the objective rewards mixed in with the actual side quest rewards. These difficulties are targeted towards people with lower progression and this, lesser rosters so they actually need "regular" rewards.
Lvl 4 and 5 are targeted towards mor advanced players, I'm guessing the rewards are much better since the "regular" rewards are mixed in with the SQ rewards, so the relics mats are additional rewards.
You will never be able to please everyone, that's a fact of life. You mention MOST of the people are not doing objectives. That may be true in your level of progression or circle of friends, but it's a broad generalization. I could tell you a different story, I bet the 20 alliances in masters are actually going for these pretty hard. I'll raise that bet and say alliances in P1-P2 war tier are also going for relics. Not every aspect of the game is suited for every person playing the game.
This will be my last contribution to this topic: If you don't want relics, ignore them completely. I personally hope they continue to give us relics, I really like them.
I stopped opening relic crystals, ranking them and using them. What it seems is in future, newer relics will be way stronger and more developed. What's the point in getting current ones for the little benefit. Are they going to add more rune levels? more rank up levels? What is the plan. At least with champions you could see how many rank up levels there is and know this champ can get stronger. At the moment its so vague.
I'm so happy today is "let's complain about free stuff" day. Glad I didn't miss it.
It ain’t really that
Kabam Jax just told us relic mats are additional rewards on the side quest, so it is actually "free" stuff. Could they switch relic rewards for regular rewards? Yes, they could, but I reckon that would create a potential economy problem.
Relics are a new addition to the game and we have been asking for alternate progression for years, now we get some version of it and people complain.
I get that change is difficult and humans, in general, don't adjust to change easily. The reality is that relics are quite useful if you know how to use them. Nick Fury is on his second life? Use your striker to stun him. That's just one example of the potential usefulness of relics. Watch an endgame youtuber use strikers and tell me they're useless.
People keep saying relics are being "shoved down our throats" when it's quite the opposite. We are getting few mats here and there. If you want to pursue them, you have the choice to do it, If you don't that's your choice. You have the choice to rank them or not. People that actually care about prestige will end up ranking them, the endgame players will adjust faster cause it's a requirement to further progress.
The main problem I see is people adapting to change, this will happen with every new feature of the game. It happened with 6 stars, it happened with battlegrounds, it's happening with relics and it will happen in a few months when 7 stars are released.
“Adapt or perish, now as ever, is nature’s inexorable imperative.” – H. G. Wells
Clearly you are not understanding the complain at all, so Ill make it clearer in a shorter comment.
Lvl 4 Objectives and Lvl 5 Objectives give ONLY relics.
Lvl 3 and below give normal objectives.
People want normal objectives, you wanna add relics? Nice, but we dont want relics OVER the normal objectives, if you add something, you dont remove anything, the problem is that thats what they did.
And MOST of the people, NOT EVERYBODY are dropping those objectives because the effort is not worth.
Lvl 3 and below, most likely, dont have the objective rewards mixed in with the actual side quest rewards. These difficulties are targeted towards people with lower progression and this, lesser rosters so they actually need "regular" rewards.
Lvl 4 and 5 are targeted towards mor advanced players, I'm guessing the rewards are much better since the "regular" rewards are mixed in with the SQ rewards, so the relics mats are additional rewards.
You will never be able to please everyone, that's a fact of life. You mention MOST of the people are not doing objectives. That may be true in your level of progression or circle of friends, but it's a broad generalization. I could tell you a different story, I bet the 20 alliances in masters are actually going for these pretty hard. I'll raise that bet and say alliances in P1-P2 war tier are also going for relics. Not every aspect of the game is suited for every person playing the game.
This will be my last contribution to this topic: If you don't want relics, ignore them completely. I personally hope they continue to give us relics, I really like them.
As I explained before, if the objectives are mixed in SQ rewards itself, that means we get less rewards from the SQ itself in %, because lower progression get the equivalent of SQ rewards + Objectives.
And what you say would be true, but the fact is that you mentioned Master and Platinum alliances which are not, by far, the biggest group of players, the rest of the players are more in comparison, and you can just go through their profiles one by one and tell me if they have even leveled up their relics, since you can see Relic Prestige.
Im not against relics, they seem cool, they need upgrades still, but those aint bad, but getting only relics from objectives that are not even fun to do is making players ignore those.
When you have a group of players that IGNORE objectives, that means something is wrong, even if it wasnt most of players, even a 30% of them is enough to notice that you have to change something.
Kabam sadly is one of the most stubborn companies I've ever seen, thats what really annoys me.
They dont really respond correctly to the complaints, do next to nothing to solve them, and they make improvements with a very very very low frequency.
I dont blame no one directly, but as I stated before, from my perspective, something should change in either Kabam or MCOC to improve really in the game.
We've had conversations about this recently, so we can echo the same sentiments.
Firstly, Relics were introduced to the game with the express purpose of being lower impact. If they were a must-have right out the gate and completely changed the game, the community would riot. We also didn't want anyone to feel like the roster they've developed was dwarfed in relation to this new addition.
The relic rewards tied to Solo Objectives have been added to each month's side quests. They're not replacing anything you would have otherwise received; everything is redistributed. This, again, is so that if you don't want them, you don't have to do the content.
I know we've discussed recently this shift, where MCOC is growing into a game where you cannot feasibly do everything each month; this further emphasizes this. I know it causes discomfort for some but, again, you are not losing anything by relics being added to the game.
If you do not want relics, you don't have to chase, unlock or use relics. If you do like relics, they will continue to grow, change and evolve their place in the contest.
I'm fine with it as long as there is no anything pushing me to use relics or punishing me for not using it
As I explained before, if the objectives are mixed in SQ rewards itself, that means we get less rewards from the SQ itself in %, because lower progression get the equivalent of SQ rewards + Objectives.
And what you say would be true, but the fact is that you mentioned Master and Platinum alliances which are not, by far, the biggest group of players, the rest of the players are more in comparison, and you can just go through their profiles one by one and tell me if they have even leveled up their relics, since you can see Relic Prestige.
Im not against relics, they seem cool, they need upgrades still, but those aint bad, but getting only relics from objectives that are not even fun to do is making players ignore those.
When you have a group of players that IGNORE objectives, that means something is wrong, even if it wasnt most of players, even a 30% of them is enough to notice that you have to change something.
Kabam sadly is one of the most stubborn companies I've ever seen, thats what really annoys me.
They dont really respond correctly to the complaints, do next to nothing to solve them, and they make improvements with a very very very low frequency.
I dont blame no one directly, but as I stated before, from my perspective, something should change in either Kabam or MCOC to improve really in the game.
This what I meant in my first response regarding the company wouldn’t have survived handling a game like this if it wasn’t for the marvel Ip, it would essentially be another WWE IMMORTALS(look how that went). Kabam’s stubbornness comes from the fact they know they can abuse Marvel Fans dedication to Marvel, thus allowing them to get away with shady, malicious, and even disrespectful tactics/responses/decisions. Kabam Jax response to this thread is evident of that, cause I can’t emphasize enough how unethical and rude it is for a community manager to tell a large(if not majority) portion of their player base that if you don’t like what we’re doing and how we’re doing it, don’t participate 🤷🏾♂️… instead of trying work with us and ask for potential improvements or anything like that’s its “Oh ya complaining about this again? Okay this what we’re doing, this how we’re doing it, either play it or don’t🤷🏾♂️” how can I not feel they only have the audacity to speak to their players like that because they have a marvel Ip with an ongoing MCU that dominates the movie industry. They feel and act untouchable and it shows in the respect and curiosity levels given to the players
All this talk about Relics replacing Rewards, but if you'll notice, we have more Objectives lately. They're in addition to whatever else is going on. The Rewards we were getting in Objectives are in the Side Quests. I'm not getting into the debate about the R4 Mats. They were there for TB Players. People can like or dislike them all they want. It's a bit of a moot protest, though. They're in the game. They're not going to remove them if a portion of people fold their arms.
All this talk about Relics replacing Rewards, but if you'll notice, we have more Objectives lately. They're in addition to whatever else is going on. The Rewards we were getting in Objectives are in the Side Quests. I'm not getting into the debate about the R4 Mats. They were there for TB Players. People can like or dislike them all they want. It's a bit of a moot protest, though. They're in the game. They're not going to remove them if a portion of people fold their arms.
“I’m not getting into debates over R4 Mats”(one of the biggest dirty moves that has players upsets) Lmaoo why not? Because everyone knows that was a dirt move to give the illusion of the next difficulty “giving more rewards”?😂 “They were there for thronebreaker players” so why aren’t they now? Because we have thronebreaker difficulty? So what about paragon players?😂 was paragon players also not relying on them R4 mats? Lemme ask you something, if that was so harmless and not lowdown and conniving, why hasn’t Kabam addressed that either before the difficulty dropped, or during, or even still after?😂Cause they know wtf they did and also know since it’s a marvel game they can just let time push it under the rug like everything else they do
All this talk about Relics replacing Rewards, but if you'll notice, we have more Objectives lately. They're in addition to whatever else is going on. The Rewards we were getting in Objectives are in the Side Quests. I'm not getting into the debate about the R4 Mats. They were there for TB Players. People can like or dislike them all they want. It's a bit of a moot protest, though. They're in the game. They're not going to remove them if a portion of people fold their arms.
“I’m not getting into debates over R4 Mats”(one of the biggest dirty moves that has players upsets) Lmaoo why not? Because everyone knows that was a dirt move to give the illusion of the next difficulty “giving more rewards”?😂 Lemme ask you something, if that was so harmless and not lowdown and conniving, why hasn’t Kabam addressed that either before the difficulty dropped, or during, or even still after?😂Cause they know wtf they did and also know since it’s a marvel game they can just let time push it under the rug like everything else they do
Huh? At the time that was added, it was intended for TB Players. Not Cavalier. The only place they had to tie it in at the time was Cav. A Cavalier has no immediate need for R4s. They should be working on getting to TB. However, rather than restric the Objective to one Title, they gave it to everyone. People should be thanking them for the head start. Not being indignant that it was appropriated.
We’re moving up to r5 and 7 stars in a couple months and you really tryna justify why instead of adding more resources, it’s okay to just place them from else where?😂 you reasoning is flawed because cav players couldn’t even access it. They could’ve kept it as an tb objective for exploring cav ORRR at the very least since they’re clearly okay with taking back rewards and giving higher difficulty; keep the r4 resources they have now, and ADD the objective for exploring tb instead of cav. There was no good reason to take the rewards away😂it just emphasizes that the “extra” rewards we got from the inclusion of Tb difficulty are MUCH MUCH insignificant than originally anticipated, and you never commented on why wouldn’t kabam mention this at all if they truly believed it was such a righteous positive decision for the community
Nobody wants relics. Nobody wants to see them. Why are kabam so hell bent on adding relics rewards and content every month? Nobody is interested in them. Who are you wasting time developing these for and doing calculations on the relic shards and embers economy for. Its just so weird to see how you guys really really want people to get used and relics and I bet the vast majority are just ignoring them. The solo objectives are dogwater whenever relics are involved. How many people entirely skip them? Jesus Christ kabam, read the room
This is factually incorrect. People want them. People want to see them. So "nobody" is inaccurate.
On a side note, the sooner people accept they're a part of the game now, the sooner they can move on. Use them, don't use them, they're not going to disappear.
Saying everybody doesn't want them is of course wrong, but the amount of players who absolutely hates them is much more
We can accept the fact they're in game, but they need an overhaul imo, specially the visual sight, why make them champion while we already have champions, they could've been smth like tools or gadgets like ( juggernaut helmet, valkyrie sword, cap shield or ironfist gloves) , or anything else unique, I don't wanna collect champs again
We’re moving up to r5 and 7 stars in a couple months and you really tryna justify why instead of adding more resources, it’s okay to just place them from else where?😂 you reasoning is flawed because cav players couldn’t even access it. They could’ve kept it as an tb objective for exploring cav ORRR at the very least since they’re clearly okay with taking back rewards and giving higher difficulty; keep the r4 resources they have now, and ADD the objective for exploring tb instead of cav. There was no good reason to take the rewards away😂it just emphasizes that the “extra” rewards we got from the inclusion of Tb difficulty MUCH MUCH insignificant than originally anticipated
You think they need to add more Resources immediately just because 7*s are coming? Hate to break it to you, but a number of people are sitting on thousands of Shards. Nor will people have to worry about mass R5s anytime immediately. Not the ones doing Cav for the R4 Mats, anyway.
Nobody wants relics. Nobody wants to see them. Why are kabam so hell bent on adding relics rewards and content every month? Nobody is interested in them. Who are you wasting time developing these for and doing calculations on the relic shards and embers economy for. Its just so weird to see how you guys really really want people to get used and relics and I bet the vast majority are just ignoring them. The solo objectives are dogwater whenever relics are involved. How many people entirely skip them? Jesus Christ kabam, read the room
This is factually incorrect. People want them. People want to see them. So "nobody" is inaccurate.
On a side note, the sooner people accept they're a part of the game now, the sooner they can move on. Use them, don't use them, they're not going to disappear.
Saying everybody doesn't want them is of course wrong, but the amount of players who absolutely hates them is much more
We can accept the fact they're in game, but they need an overhaul imo, specially the visual sight, why make them champion while we already have champions, they could've been smth like tools or gadgets like ( juggernaut helmet, valkyrie sword, cap shield or ironfist gloves) , or anything else unique, I don't wanna collect champs again
I don't care what they look like. I'm more focused on their uses. Any Passive Stun gives me more time to do more Damage either way. Using the correct Runes for the Champs I pair them with, and it all adds up to more Damage. It's not "DAMAGE", it's Damage.
Saying everybody doesn't want them is of course wrong, but the amount of players who absolutely hates them is much more
We can accept the fact they're in game, but they need an overhaul imo, specially the visual sight, why make them champion while we already have champions, they could've been smth like tools or gadgets like ( juggernaut helmet, valkyrie sword, cap shield or ironfist gloves) , or anything else unique, I don't wanna collect champs again
I agree wholeheartedly. They made it seem like it was gonna be champions items, not champions themselves💀 that’s beyond played out. Next, we asked for the rate at which it fills up to be increased and no mention of that or nothing. So they wanna put something out that’s not usable in 75% of the game, THEN make it so you only get to use it once in most situations where you can use it? How is that supposed to make us feel they’re worthwhile instead of a worthless addition? Next, we asked to lower the price, kabam says nothing. Next, not only are they barely able to be used, but when they are, not only can we barely get them to activate, but the uses are stupidly niche. Which would be okay given there so new, but kabam is putting them everywhere , especially in higher progression based, At ridiculous low quantities for an arbitrary value that doesn’t seem existent. So if you’re gonna push them everywhere heavily, make them worthwhile and practical. If not, don’t push them out so aggressively while refusing to listen or even comment on potential improvements that players suggest
We’re moving up to r5 and 7 stars in a couple months and you really tryna justify why instead of adding more resources, it’s okay to just place them from else where?😂 you reasoning is flawed because cav players couldn’t even access it. They could’ve kept it as an tb objective for exploring cav ORRR at the very least since they’re clearly okay with taking back rewards and giving higher difficulty; keep the r4 resources they have now, and ADD the objective for exploring tb instead of cav. There was no good reason to take the rewards away😂it just emphasizes that the “extra” rewards we got from the inclusion of Tb difficulty MUCH MUCH insignificant than originally anticipated
You think they need to add more Resources immediately just because 7*s are coming? Hate to break it to you, but a number of people are sitting on thousands of Shards. Nor will people have to worry about mass R5s anytime immediately. Not the ones doing Cav for the R4 Mats, anyway.
Nobody wants relics. Nobody wants to see them. Why are kabam so hell bent on adding relics rewards and content every month? Nobody is interested in them. Who are you wasting time developing these for and doing calculations on the relic shards and embers economy for. Its just so weird to see how you guys really really want people to get used and relics and I bet the vast majority are just ignoring them. The solo objectives are dogwater whenever relics are involved. How many people entirely skip them? Jesus Christ kabam, read the room
This is factually incorrect. People want them. People want to see them. So "nobody" is inaccurate.
On a side note, the sooner people accept they're a part of the game now, the sooner they can move on. Use them, don't use them, they're not going to disappear.
Saying everybody doesn't want them is of course wrong, but the amount of players who absolutely hates them is much more
We can accept the fact they're in game, but they need an overhaul imo, specially the visual sight, why make them champion while we already have champions, they could've been smth like tools or gadgets like ( juggernaut helmet, valkyrie sword, cap shield or ironfist gloves) , or anything else unique, I don't wanna collect champs again
I don't care what they look like. I'm more focused on their uses. Any Passive Stun gives me more time to do more Damage either way. Using the correct Runes for the Champs I pair them with, and it all adds up to more Damage. It's not "DAMAGE", it's Damage.
Kabam are the ones who said we’re getting a new progression level to help with the future of the game because rewards been outdated that’s 1. 2.Multiple YouTubers when tb difficulty came out, said the rewards would’ve been okay if they came out mid last year. NOW, if you’re telling me you want to add another progression system(keep in mind at the time we were already 2 levels behind, tb and paragon) and then saying rewards are going to be UPDATED and IMPROVED, how is it not wrong to IMPROVE rewards by taking them away and readding it back somewhere else? Where’s the improvement? Answer me this Mr.White Knight, I’m a paragon player, Kabam JUST ADDED TB difficulty, they been blatantly telling us they’re rewarding us lower than our progression levels on purpose. What other game has a system where you get rewarded based on your PREVIOUS 1-2 progression levels? What about the fact I’m a PARAGON player and there’s still no THRONEBREAKER OR PRAGON CRYSTALS? So every cav crystal I open is purposely tailored to progress my account slower than what it should be. This is just logical facts at this point
Good Lord, that paragraph is in a number of directions. Kabam announced there is a new Rarity. Full stop. The rest of us pointed out that it was necessary for the game to evolve. The Rewards were updated and improved for TB. Cav hasn't changed, save for the Objective being added to TB Rewards. As for the Crystals, can't argue with that. I believe they're working on them. The rest is just a rant about every grievance you have that really has nothing to do with Relics. You just expect them to remove them from Rewards and give you what you want because you personally don't like them.
Interesting, because those are small percentages of Players, usually around the same demographic. Yet playing social activities such as BGs shows that a number of people ARE using them. So it sounds more like confirmation bias. Let's be real. People think they're going to throw them away if they protest enough. I don't see that happening.
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i am not against relics, but we need more Tiers 1 & 2 alloys to rank up the relics we have. gathering enough Tiers 1 & 2 class alloys take months for those who do not grind Battleground points in the Gladiator circuit
Could they switch relic rewards for regular rewards? Yes, they could, but I reckon that would create a potential economy problem.
Relics are a new addition to the game and we have been asking for alternate progression for years, now we get some version of it and people complain.
I get that change is difficult and humans, in general, don't adjust to change easily. The reality is that relics are quite useful if you know how to use them. Nick Fury is on his second life? Use your striker to stun him. That's just one example of the potential usefulness of relics. Watch an endgame youtuber use strikers and tell me they're useless.
People keep saying relics are being "shoved down our throats" when it's quite the opposite. We are getting few mats here and there.
If you want to pursue them, you have the choice to do it, If you don't that's your choice. You have the choice to rank them or not.
People that actually care about prestige will end up ranking them, the endgame players will adjust faster cause it's a requirement to further progress.
The main problem I see is people adapting to change, this will happen with every new feature of the game. It happened with 6 stars, it happened with battlegrounds, it's happening with relics and it will happen in a few months when 7 stars are released.
“Adapt or perish, now as ever, is nature’s inexorable imperative.” – H. G. Wells
Lvl 4 Objectives and Lvl 5 Objectives give ONLY relics.
Lvl 3 and below give normal objectives.
People want normal objectives, you wanna add relics? Nice, but we dont want relics OVER the normal objectives, if you add something, you dont remove anything, the problem is that thats what they did.
And MOST of the people, NOT EVERYBODY are dropping those objectives because the effort is not worth.
I work 6 hour shifts, I earn 60 bucks.
Boss sees my progress and my hard work, I earn another 60 bucks.
Boss brings donuts to the office the next day cause he's a cool cat and he likes donuts. Those donuts are free.
See the difference? You worked for one set of rewards, you got donuts for free.
Relic mats in the side quest are the donuts.
Your analogy for the 2* champ rewards is wrong, since there are progression tiered rewards. Is it my first day playing the game? Hell yeah gimme free 2*s.
Lvl 4 and 5 are targeted towards mor advanced players, I'm guessing the rewards are much better since the "regular" rewards are mixed in with the SQ rewards, so the relics mats are additional rewards.
You will never be able to please everyone, that's a fact of life. You mention MOST of the people are not doing objectives. That may be true in your level of progression or circle of friends, but it's a broad generalization. I could tell you a different story, I bet the 20 alliances in masters are actually going for these pretty hard. I'll raise that bet and say alliances in P1-P2 war tier are also going for relics. Not every aspect of the game is suited for every person playing the game.
This will be my last contribution to this topic: If you don't want relics, ignore them completely. I personally hope they continue to give us relics, I really like them.
And what you say would be true, but the fact is that you mentioned Master and Platinum alliances which are not, by far, the biggest group of players, the rest of the players are more in comparison, and you can just go through their profiles one by one and tell me if they have even leveled up their relics, since you can see Relic Prestige.
Im not against relics, they seem cool, they need upgrades still, but those aint bad, but getting only relics from objectives that are not even fun to do is making players ignore those.
When you have a group of players that IGNORE objectives, that means something is wrong, even if it wasnt most of players, even a 30% of them is enough to notice that you have to change something.
Kabam sadly is one of the most stubborn companies I've ever seen, thats what really annoys me.
They dont really respond correctly to the complaints, do next to nothing to solve them, and they make improvements with a very very very low frequency.
I dont blame no one directly, but as I stated before, from my perspective, something should change in either Kabam or MCOC to improve really in the game.
And what you say would be true, but the fact is that you mentioned Master and Platinum alliances which are not, by far, the biggest group of players, the rest of the players are more in comparison, and you can just go through their profiles one by one and tell me if they have even leveled up their relics, since you can see Relic Prestige.
Im not against relics, they seem cool, they need upgrades still, but those aint bad, but getting only relics from objectives that are not even fun to do is making players ignore those.
When you have a group of players that IGNORE objectives, that means something is wrong, even if it wasnt most of players, even a 30% of them is enough to notice that you have to change something.
Kabam sadly is one of the most stubborn companies I've ever seen, thats what really annoys me.
They dont really respond correctly to the complaints, do next to nothing to solve them, and they make improvements with a very very very low frequency.
I dont blame no one directly, but as I stated before, from my perspective, something should change in either Kabam or MCOC to improve really in the game.
This what I meant in my first response regarding the company wouldn’t have survived handling a game like this if it wasn’t for the marvel Ip, it would essentially be another WWE IMMORTALS(look how that went). Kabam’s stubbornness comes from the fact they know they can abuse Marvel Fans dedication to Marvel, thus allowing them to get away with shady, malicious, and even disrespectful tactics/responses/decisions. Kabam Jax response to this thread is evident of that, cause I can’t emphasize enough how unethical and rude it is for a community manager to tell a large(if not majority) portion of their player base that if you don’t like what we’re doing and how we’re doing it, don’t participate 🤷🏾♂️… instead of trying work with us and ask for potential improvements or anything like that’s its “Oh ya complaining about this again? Okay this what we’re doing, this how we’re doing it, either play it or don’t🤷🏾♂️” how can I not feel they only have the audacity to speak to their players like that because they have a marvel Ip with an ongoing MCU that dominates the movie industry. They feel and act untouchable and it shows in the respect and curiosity levels given to the players
People can like or dislike them all they want. It's a bit of a moot protest, though. They're in the game. They're not going to remove them if a portion of people fold their arms.
At the time that was added, it was intended for TB Players. Not Cavalier. The only place they had to tie it in at the time was Cav. A Cavalier has no immediate need for R4s. They should be working on getting to TB.
However, rather than restric the Objective to one Title, they gave it to everyone. People should be thanking them for the head start. Not being indignant that it was appropriated.
We can accept the fact they're in game, but they need an overhaul imo, specially the visual sight, why make them champion while we already have champions, they could've been smth like tools or gadgets like ( juggernaut helmet, valkyrie sword, cap shield or ironfist gloves) , or anything else unique, I don't wanna collect champs again
Nor will people have to worry about mass R5s anytime immediately. Not the ones doing Cav for the R4 Mats, anyway. I don't care what they look like. I'm more focused on their uses. Any Passive Stun gives me more time to do more Damage either way. Using the correct Runes for the Champs I pair them with, and it all adds up to more Damage. It's not "DAMAGE", it's Damage.
We can accept the fact they're in game, but they need an overhaul imo, specially the visual sight, why make them champion while we already have champions, they could've been smth like tools or gadgets like ( juggernaut helmet, valkyrie sword, cap shield or ironfist gloves) , or anything else unique, I don't wanna collect champs again
I agree wholeheartedly. They made it seem like it was gonna be champions items, not champions themselves💀 that’s beyond played out. Next, we asked for the rate at which it fills up to be increased and no mention of that or nothing. So they wanna put something out that’s not usable in 75% of the game, THEN make it so you only get to use it once in most situations where you can use it? How is that supposed to make us feel they’re worthwhile instead of a worthless addition? Next, we asked to lower the price, kabam says nothing. Next, not only are they barely able to be used, but when they are, not only can we barely get them to activate, but the uses are stupidly niche. Which would be okay given there so new, but kabam is putting them everywhere
, especially in higher progression based, At ridiculous low quantities for an arbitrary value that doesn’t seem existent. So if you’re gonna push them everywhere heavily, make them worthwhile and practical. If not, don’t push them out so aggressively while refusing to listen or even comment on potential improvements that players suggest
Kabam announced there is a new Rarity. Full stop. The rest of us pointed out that it was necessary for the game to evolve.
The Rewards were updated and improved for TB. Cav hasn't changed, save for the Objective being added to TB Rewards.
As for the Crystals, can't argue with that. I believe they're working on them.
The rest is just a rant about every grievance you have that really has nothing to do with Relics. You just expect them to remove them from Rewards and give you what you want because you personally don't like them.
Let's be real. People think they're going to throw them away if they protest enough. I don't see that happening.