Please adjust Battlegrounds matchmaking…

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  • CoppinCoppin Member Posts: 2,601 ★★★★★
    Greekhit said:

    Coppin said:

    Those defending matchmaking or who don't really understand the issues, please watch this video that highlights the issue from last season which appears to be the same as this season.

    https://youtu.be/3IK2f5dozcY

    U really want to prove your point by using a vid made by you... There is a reason why URU has a 999.999 spots limit...and thats pretty much as far as a smaller account can get...
    What does a 999.999 spots limit has to do with matchmaking?
    Stop playing you can’t understand people’s points, and giving irrelevant information.
    What’s the point of even having 999.999 spots, since more than half Paragons aren’t able to get there.
    And it would be ok, if it was due to better accounts/players reaching there.
    Now it’s not, because UC accounts are there instead of these Paragons, thanks to a broken matchmaking that favours them.
    Kabam needs to give an end to this fiasco ASAP 😠
    Since most Paragons arent able to get there...so dramatic...the 2nd set of 48 hrs objectives barely popped and people are talking about STUCK and not being able to get there... Wow...
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,551 ★★★★★
    If someone can handle EoP, but they can't handle a Match in their own Prestige range, there's a problem.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,551 ★★★★★
    edited February 2023
    That doesn't apply when people start out in the same Bracket. There's too much of a range difference. To be precise, I'm not saying it's perfect the way it is. I've been pretty vocal about wanting something at the start to keep the lowest Players from being bashed around. At least in the beginning.
    However, being at the highest marker and not expecting to fight people as strong or stronger is quite frankly, entitlement.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,551 ★★★★★
    Graves_3 said:

    That doesn't apply when people start out in the same Bracket. There's too much of a range difference. To be precise, I'm not saying it's perfect the way it is. I've been pretty vocal about wanting something at the start to keep the lowest Players from being bashed around. At least in the beginning.
    However, being at the highest marker and not expecting to fight people as strong or stronger is quite frankly, entitlement.

    But it is not the highest marker. This is happening in bronze 3. If it happens in vibranium that paragons face off against stacked paragons, it’s still understandable but it’s happening in bronze 3. So not the highest marker.
    The highest progress marker. If people at the Paragon level are more overpowered by a Paragon than an UC Player, there's something seriously wrong.
    I'm sorry, but there is no way I can justify such a difference in the first Bracket. That shouldn't be a thing. For that matter, people want to be able to take out UC Accounts with a Paragon Account, because they don't want to face higher Paragons to start off. That's totally hypocritical.
  • PikokPikok Member Posts: 156 ★★
    Agree that is hypocrytical to think that current system is ok while it is matching 2mil paragon accounts with 5mil paragon accounts

  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,551 ★★★★★
    Hence my comment about rushing to the Titles without advancing Accounts. This game mode involves having a diverse and wide Roster. Not the same few strong Champs. Just the opposite, actually. With the Bans, it causes people to think on the spot.
  • CoppinCoppin Member Posts: 2,601 ★★★★★
    Pikok said:

    Agree that is hypocrytical to think that current system is ok while it is matching 2mil paragon accounts with 5mil paragon accounts

    Rating could mean they got a ton of 3 and 4 stars max out...
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,551 ★★★★★
    Coppin said:

    Pikok said:

    Agree that is hypocrytical to think that current system is ok while it is matching 2mil paragon accounts with 5mil paragon accounts

    Rating could mean they got a ton of 3 and 4 stars max out...
    We've seen it before, though. People focus on the same Champs that are popular, don't Rank much else, and find themselves limited when something comes along that challenges the extent of their Roster.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,639 Guardian
    Coppin said:

    K00shMaan said:

    Coppin said:

    K00shMaan said:

    K00shMaan said:

    I've already stated what I'm defending, and it isn't an easy track for anyone.
    We're talking about the OP's situation. When you fast-track progress like that, your Account doesn't develop breadth. This game mode is partly about having a wide range of options, and those options need to be Ranked sufficiently for what you're coming up against.
    I wouldn't call it overall progress. Just quick Rewards.

    I literally predicted that this exact situation was destined to happen in one of the other big threads about BG Matchmaking. Some Cavalier was going to use the rewards which they "maybe" didn't deserve to improve their account into a situation where they could no longer win matches. That fact that this concept exists is so fundamentally flawed. You can say that the matchmaking was intended to shelter smaller accounts but, I don't know about you, this doesn't feel like the system did a very good job of that in OP's case. It likely fast tracked him to Paragon and now he can't really compete through no fault of his own.

    That being said, OP don't say you're hard stuck in Bronze when the season is less than 2 days old. The better players will move up over time and the competition will get easier as the month progresses.
    I doubt the Rewards from a Season were what brought them to Paragon.
    I can almost guarantee they did. Either directly by buying R4 Mats from the BG Store or indirectly by empowering champions that he used to clear the necessary content.
    The OP said they went from Cav to Para in a few months. That wasn't the result of BGs alone.
    I implied it was 4-5 months..
    We are in the 4th season and OP said he got to GC as cav.. Beta didnt have GC so i assume he meant a few months..
    And some people are posting I am questioning skill for doing that so quick... No i am questioning roster depth, cause saying I cant win cause they have R4s.. means he is using a bunch of r1s and r2s.. cause there is no way having a deck of r3s puts u in that much of a disadvantage against r4s...
    Then the Matchmaking is a moot point because the suspected Prestige Matches haven't been used for the entirety of BGs. Which means content-rushing is a valid point. Along with other sources for Mats.
    If we're all in agreement that Prestige based matchmaking is in full effect now. Is it not possible that OP used his tokens to get the champions, awakenings, and sig stones that make up his current prestige?
    Everyone assumes its Prestiege based... Kabam never released the criteria cause then you would have people trying to exploit it.. In game prestiege is based on top 5 champs... For BGs it could be based on 10-15-20-30 on your deck.. or your whole roster...
    As far as I am aware, it is not prestige based. It is based on a more expansive roster strength calculation. I'm not privy to what it is, I'm just pretty certain it is not literal prestige.
  • PikokPikok Member Posts: 156 ★★

    Coppin said:

    Pikok said:

    Agree that is hypocrytical to think that current system is ok while it is matching 2mil paragon accounts with 5mil paragon accounts

    Rating could mean they got a ton of 3 and 4 stars max out...
    We've seen it before, though. People focus on the same Champs that are popular, don't Rank much else, and find themselves limited when something comes along that challenges the extent of their Roster.
    Correct. But you dont have to upgrade your rooster to be high or even advance to GC. In fact it is better to stay low and dont upgrade rooster. If you upgrade you will face stacked rosters and you lower your chances to win. Better to stay low prestige and increase your chances to win.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,551 ★★★★★
    Pikok said:


    Coppin said:

    Pikok said:

    Agree that is hypocrytical to think that current system is ok while it is matching 2mil paragon accounts with 5mil paragon accounts

    Rating could mean they got a ton of 3 and 4 stars max out...
    We've seen it before, though. People focus on the same Champs that are popular, don't Rank much else, and find themselves limited when something comes along that challenges the extent of their Roster.
    Correct. But you dont have to upgrade your rooster to be high or even advance to GC. In fact it is better to stay low and dont upgrade rooster. If you upgrade you will face stacked rosters and you lower your chances to win. Better to stay low prestige and increase your chances to win.
    That theory has been going around and I don't think people realize how little that makes sense.
    Your Prestige is only limited to the ceiling for one thing. It can only get so high.
    The more pertinent aspect that makes it useless is it's inevitably going to go up. You get Rewards, you Rank, you advance, and it rises. People are obviously playing that competitively for the Rewards. What are they going to do with them? Unless you're only playing to sit on them for nothing, or playing just for the genuine thrill of playing (in which case all other points become null and void), then you're going to go up when you use said Rewards.
    Now, if you're suggesting people focus less on Prestige and more on expanding their options, I would call that a good thing, rather than a problem. Either way, threatening to stop Ranking isn't a very sensible or effective way to persuade them to let you bully UC Players.
  • DrZolaDrZola Member Posts: 9,097 ★★★★★
    edited February 2023
    BGs is a grind. I’ve battled high prestige accounts like mine from Day 1 as well as connection glitches/input drops and I’m still clawing my way out of Bronze—plus the objectives I should have had for the first two days never materialized. This meta is also far more forgiving to lesser rosters than the last one was.

    BG prizes are pretty much the most generous in game. While I want everyone to enjoy the mode, it’s gotten way past tiresome to hear players complain about hard matches. The answer no one wants to hear is to keep matching and trying to figure out what works and what doesn’t.

    Dr. Zola
  • CoppinCoppin Member Posts: 2,601 ★★★★★
    Greekhit said:

    Coppin said:

    Those defending matchmaking or who don't really understand the issues, please watch this video that highlights the issue from last season which appears to be the same as this season.

    https://youtu.be/3IK2f5dozcY

    U really want to prove your point by using a vid made by you... There is a reason why URU has a 999.999 spots limit...and thats pretty much as far as a smaller account can get...
    What does a 999.999 spots limit has to do with matchmaking?
    Stop playing you can’t understand people’s points, and giving irrelevant information.
    What’s the point of even having 999.999 spots, since more than half Paragons aren’t able to get there.
    And it would be ok, if it was due to better accounts/players reaching there.
    Now it’s not, because UC accounts are there instead of these Paragons, thanks to a broken matchmaking that favours them.
    Kabam needs to give an end to this fiasco ASAP 😠
    OP is a Paragon complaining because he has to fight stronger Paragons... Nothing to do with UCs...
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,444 ★★★★★
    This whole thread is comedy gold. Everyone's out here arguing instead of actually trying to find common ground so everyone can enjoy BGs regardless of progression, and it's the same 10-12 dudes, always arguing about the same topic lol.
  • RawrasurusRawrasurus Member Posts: 86 ★★★

    This whole thread is comedy gold. Everyone's out here arguing instead of actually trying to find common ground so everyone can enjoy BGs regardless of progression, and it's the same 10-12 dudes, always arguing about the same topic lol.

    Its actually like the same 2-3 people who mimicry the same words and comments over and over in every thread about battlegrounds.
  • CoppinCoppin Member Posts: 2,601 ★★★★★

    This whole thread is comedy gold. Everyone's out here arguing instead of actually trying to find common ground so everyone can enjoy BGs regardless of progression, and it's the same 10-12 dudes, always arguing about the same topic lol.

    Its actually like the same 2-3 people who mimicry the same words and comments over and over in every thread about battlegrounds.
    Dude u r the one complaining of facing too many r4s...who is crying?
  • PikokPikok Member Posts: 156 ★★
    Thinking

    Pikok said:


    Coppin said:

    Pikok said:

    Agree that is hypocrytical to think that current system is ok while it is matching 2mil paragon accounts with 5mil paragon accounts

    Rating could mean they got a ton of 3 and 4 stars max out...
    We've seen it before, though. People focus on the same Champs that are popular, don't Rank much else, and find themselves limited when something comes along that challenges the extent of their Roster.
    Correct. But you dont have to upgrade your rooster to be high or even advance to GC. In fact it is better to stay low and dont upgrade rooster. If you upgrade you will face stacked rosters and you lower your chances to win. Better to stay low prestige and increase your chances to win.
    That theory has been going around and I don't think people realize how little that makes sense.
    Your Prestige is only limited to the ceiling for one thing. It can only get so high.
    The more pertinent aspect that makes it useless is it's inevitably going to go up. You get Rewards, you Rank, you advance, and it rises. People are obviously playing that competitively for the Rewards. What are they going to do with them? Unless you're only playing to sit on them for nothing, or playing just for the genuine thrill of playing (in which case all other points become null and void), then you're going to go up when you use said Rewards.
    Now, if you're suggesting people focus less on Prestige and more on expanding their options, I would call that a good thing, rather than a problem. Either way, threatening to stop Ranking isn't a very sensible or effective way to persuade them to let you bully UC Players.
    I am not buling anybody. I am playing to win. I am not a scrub. Just playing to win. And will find strategies which increase my chances to win. If some person is not focusing on win but on something else and complaining that he is loosing such person is a scrub.
    Not sure what game you are playing if you are suggesting expanding options and in the same time not „focusing” on prestige.
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,444 ★★★★★

    This whole thread is comedy gold. Everyone's out here arguing instead of actually trying to find common ground so everyone can enjoy BGs regardless of progression, and it's the same 10-12 dudes, always arguing about the same topic lol.

    Its actually like the same 2-3 people who mimicry the same words and comments over and over in every thread about battlegrounds.
    Ehh not really, it is more like 10-12 if you go read the rest of the threads.
    What's funny is everyone's just arguing instead of actually suggesting non biased solutions to fix the problem without screwing over a specific group of players. Making matchmaking completely random even in the lowest leagues is dumb, thinking matchmaking is fine as is is also dumb.
  • PikokPikok Member Posts: 156 ★★
    DNA3000 said:

    Pikok said:

    Agree that is hypocrytical to think that current system is ok while it is matching 2mil paragon accounts with 5mil paragon accounts

    Rating is meaningless. Prestige is slightly less meaningless. It should be matching on your ability to win, like all other competitions on Earth do, including the actual Gladiator Circuit for Battlegrounds itself.
    Agree with you that matching should be done on your ability to win. Currently in bg it is not that way. Bcos matchmaking is based on prestige and not on your ability to win

  • PikokPikok Member Posts: 156 ★★
    There's too much of a range difference.

    This whole thread is comedy gold. Everyone's out here arguing instead of actually trying to find common ground so everyone can enjoy BGs regardless of progression, and it's the same 10-12 dudes, always arguing about the same topic lol.

    Its actually like the same 2-3 people who mimicry the same words and comments over and over in every thread about battlegrounds.
    Making matchmaking completely random even in the lowest leagues is dumb, thinking matchmaking is fine as is is also dumb.
    Matchmaking should be done on your ability to win. Hidden elo rating. As it is in any competitive game or sport. You win you gain elo points, you lose you lose elo points.
    1 this is done in GC (matchmaking based on points)
    2 this is not done in VT (matchmaking based on prestige)
    That is why noone complaining about matchmaking in VT.
    If there are same rewards for everybody this how it should look like.
    In any other game mode in mcoc this is how it works (matchmaking based on elo points in war for example)
    Noone in real life is complaining that you cannot buy super BMW if you dont have money but in GC there are people that think that people without roster (money) should be able to get best rewards (BMW)
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,444 ★★★★★
    edited February 2023
    Pikok said:

    DNA3000 said:

    Pikok said:

    Agree that is hypocrytical to think that current system is ok while it is matching 2mil paragon accounts with 5mil paragon accounts

    Rating is meaningless. Prestige is slightly less meaningless. It should be matching on your ability to win, like all other competitions on Earth do, including the actual Gladiator Circuit for Battlegrounds itself.
    Agree with you that matching should be done on your ability to win. Currently in bg it is not that way. Bcos matchmaking is based on prestige and not on your ability to win

    Kinda ironic that you mention this while also asking for matchmaking to be completely random in every league cause if it was, lower level players wouldn't really have a chance. So I think what you meant was matchmaking should be based on a Paragon's ability to win correct?... The entitlement lol.
    So no, random matchmaking in every league in VT IS dumb, sure it would allow you to climb up but what about the lower accounts that have to face people like you? They don't matter? If this game mode is available for UC players then there has to be balance, period. I don't care about that whole "We'Re FiGhTiNg FoT SaMe ReWaRdS", if the game mode is available as soon as you become UC you should be able to enjoy the game. Sure Kabam has to do something about matchmaking cause atm it's punishing the bigger accounts way too much and allowing lower players to climb up too quickly, but random matchmaking even in the lowest leagues is not the solution and thinking it is is a very selfish way of thinking.
  • PikokPikok Member Posts: 156 ★★
    edited February 2023

    Pikok said:

    DNA3000 said:

    Pikok said:

    Agree that is hypocrytical to think that current system is ok while it is matching 2mil paragon accounts with 5mil paragon accounts

    Rating is meaningless. Prestige is slightly less meaningless. It should be matching on your ability to win, like all other competitions on Earth do, including the actual Gladiator Circuit for Battlegrounds itself.
    Agree with you that matching should be done on your ability to win. Currently in bg it is not that way. Bcos matchmaking is based on prestige and not on your ability to win

    Kinda ironic that you mention this while also asking for matchmaking to be completely random in every league cause if it was, lower level players wouldn't really have a chance. So I think what you meant was matchmaking should be based on a Paragon's ability to win correct?... The entitlement lol.
    You can check my previous comment. In Real life nobody is asking if you are poor, rich, white, black, small, high, fat or slim. If you are competing for something you should have similar chances (if game is fair). Of course there are some factors that increase or decrease your chances to win. And such factors in bg should be your roster and your skill.
    If we are forcing that only white people are competing with whites the game is not fair. Easy

    Your comment that lower lvl players will not have a chance…. You want to add some more factors which will change roster factor
  • ItsClobberinTimeItsClobberinTime Member Posts: 5,444 ★★★★★
    Pikok said:

    Pikok said:

    DNA3000 said:

    Pikok said:

    Agree that is hypocrytical to think that current system is ok while it is matching 2mil paragon accounts with 5mil paragon accounts

    Rating is meaningless. Prestige is slightly less meaningless. It should be matching on your ability to win, like all other competitions on Earth do, including the actual Gladiator Circuit for Battlegrounds itself.
    Agree with you that matching should be done on your ability to win. Currently in bg it is not that way. Bcos matchmaking is based on prestige and not on your ability to win

    Kinda ironic that you mention this while also asking for matchmaking to be completely random in every league cause if it was, lower level players wouldn't really have a chance. So I think what you meant was matchmaking should be based on a Paragon's ability to win correct?... The entitlement lol.
    You can check my previous comment. In Real life nobody is asking if you are poor, rich, white, black, small, high, fat or slim. If you are competing for something you should have similar chances (if game is fair). Of course the are details that increase or decrease your chances to win. And such detail in bg should be your roster and your skill.
    If we are forcing that only white people are competing with whites the game is not fair. Easy
    What similar chances are you even talking about? If an UC player faces a Paragon in Bronze there are no similar chances that Paragon is getting the win no matter what and the UC player will be stuck in Bronze until they miraculously manage to get a streak with out getting matched with a single Paragon.
    Also, what a kind of dumb comparison is that? Races are all equal, accounts in the game are not, they'll be different depending on their progression.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,551 ★★★★★
    Pikok said:

    Thinking

    Pikok said:


    Coppin said:

    Pikok said:

    Agree that is hypocrytical to think that current system is ok while it is matching 2mil paragon accounts with 5mil paragon accounts

    Rating could mean they got a ton of 3 and 4 stars max out...
    We've seen it before, though. People focus on the same Champs that are popular, don't Rank much else, and find themselves limited when something comes along that challenges the extent of their Roster.
    Correct. But you dont have to upgrade your rooster to be high or even advance to GC. In fact it is better to stay low and dont upgrade rooster. If you upgrade you will face stacked rosters and you lower your chances to win. Better to stay low prestige and increase your chances to win.
    That theory has been going around and I don't think people realize how little that makes sense.
    Your Prestige is only limited to the ceiling for one thing. It can only get so high.
    The more pertinent aspect that makes it useless is it's inevitably going to go up. You get Rewards, you Rank, you advance, and it rises. People are obviously playing that competitively for the Rewards. What are they going to do with them? Unless you're only playing to sit on them for nothing, or playing just for the genuine thrill of playing (in which case all other points become null and void), then you're going to go up when you use said Rewards.
    Now, if you're suggesting people focus less on Prestige and more on expanding their options, I would call that a good thing, rather than a problem. Either way, threatening to stop Ranking isn't a very sensible or effective way to persuade them to let you bully UC Players.
    I am not buling anybody. I am playing to win. I am not a scrub. Just playing to win. And will find strategies which increase my chances to win. If some person is not focusing on win but on something else and complaining that he is loosing such person is a scrub.
    Not sure what game you are playing if you are suggesting expanding options and in the same time not „focusing” on prestige.
    Beating UC Players at the gate is the gaming equivalent of bullying.
  • PikokPikok Member Posts: 156 ★★
    edited February 2023

    Pikok said:

    Pikok said:

    Pikok said:

    DNA3000 said:

    Pikok said:

    Agree that is hypocrytical to think that current system is ok while it is matching 2mil paragon accounts with 5mil paragon accounts

    Rating is meaningless. Prestige is slightly less meaningless. It should be matching on your ability to win, like all other competitions on Earth do, including the actual Gladiator Circuit for Battlegrounds itself.
    Agree with you that matching should be done on your ability to win. Currently in bg it is not that way. Bcos matchmaking is based on prestige and not on your ability to win

    Kinda ironic that you mention this while also asking for matchmaking to be completely random in every league cause if it was, lower level players wouldn't really have a chance. So I think what you meant was matchmaking should be based on a Paragon's ability to win correct?... The entitlement lol.
    You can check my previous comment. In Real life nobody is asking if you are poor, rich, white, black, small, high, fat or slim. If you are competing for something you should have similar chances (if game is fair). Of course the are details that increase or decrease your chances to win. And such detail in bg should be your roster and your skill.
    If we are forcing that only white people are competing with whites the game is not fair. Easy
    What similar chances are you even talking about? If an UC player faces a Paragon in Bronze there are no similar chances that Paragon is getting the win no matter what and the UC player will be stuck in Bronze until they miraculously manage to get a streak with out getting matched with a single Paragon.
    Also, what a kind of dumb comparison is that? Races are all equal, accounts in the game are not, they'll be different depending on their progression.
    Races are all equal but black guys are winning 100m sprint and white did not have a chance with them. And in my world it is ok. You know why? Because we are not equal. And I am ok with that. World does not work that way.
    They did have a chance though (regardless of race), they're both at a similar level that's why they're competing against each other. You never saw an amateur sprinter compete against Usain Bolt in the Olympics correct? There's a reason for that, stop pulling out more strawman arguments it ain't helping you prove anything.
    Thanks for proving my point. Amateur/worse sprinter did not have a chance with Bolt and that is fine. But there is a chance that worse sprinter will have a race with Bolt. And in Bg such a chance to fight against Bolt is not existing for worse sprinters

    But you know why amateur will not have a race with Bolt on Olympics. Bcos he is too week. And nobody complaining that amateur is not participating on Olympics but some complaining that weak players did not have a chance for winning rewards
  • PikokPikok Member Posts: 156 ★★

    Pikok said:

    Thinking

    Pikok said:


    Coppin said:

    Pikok said:

    Agree that is hypocrytical to think that current system is ok while it is matching 2mil paragon accounts with 5mil paragon accounts

    Rating could mean they got a ton of 3 and 4 stars max out...
    We've seen it before, though. People focus on the same Champs that are popular, don't Rank much else, and find themselves limited when something comes along that challenges the extent of their Roster.
    Correct. But you dont have to upgrade your rooster to be high or even advance to GC. In fact it is better to stay low and dont upgrade rooster. If you upgrade you will face stacked rosters and you lower your chances to win. Better to stay low prestige and increase your chances to win.
    That theory has been going around and I don't think people realize how little that makes sense.
    Your Prestige is only limited to the ceiling for one thing. It can only get so high.
    The more pertinent aspect that makes it useless is it's inevitably going to go up. You get Rewards, you Rank, you advance, and it rises. People are obviously playing that competitively for the Rewards. What are they going to do with them? Unless you're only playing to sit on them for nothing, or playing just for the genuine thrill of playing (in which case all other points become null and void), then you're going to go up when you use said Rewards.
    Now, if you're suggesting people focus less on Prestige and more on expanding their options, I would call that a good thing, rather than a problem. Either way, threatening to stop Ranking isn't a very sensible or effective way to persuade them to let you bully UC Players.
    I am not buling anybody. I am playing to win. I am not a scrub. Just playing to win. And will find strategies which increase my chances to win. If some person is not focusing on win but on something else and complaining that he is loosing such person is a scrub.
    Not sure what game you are playing if you are suggesting expanding options and in the same time not „focusing” on prestige.
    Beating UC Players at the gate is the gaming equivalent of bullying.
    You mean that if Bolt is beating other players he is bullying them?
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