I've made this complaint before. His 100% reliance on his armor in a game where half the champs can nullify or armor break you is a big design flaw imo. Mystics should not be able to counter him so easily. He should've been made nullify immune like Omega sentinel, or still retain his armor when nullified in that weird way Nimrod does when armor broken. He is very much in the tier below those two.
I've made this complaint before. His 100% reliance on his armor in a game where half the champs can nullify or armor break you is a big design flaw imo. Mystics should not be able to counter him so easily. He should've been made nullify immune like Omega sentinel, or still retain his armor when nullified in that weird way Nimrod does when armor broken. He is very much in the tier below those two.
Don’t use him against mystics…easy…
Don't use him vs mystics, don't use him vs cosmics - easy peasy. None of that changes the fact he is very limited and the main reason I ranked him as prestige not dame or utility. His utility and damage are too deeply tied to one easily neutered characteristic (by 80+ champs or nodes) - his armor.
He's ****, gives nothing except for Bishop (that i kill with human Torch) nd nothing, so many nodes that make him sissy, so many championships that can walk over him , meme tier nd nothing, i regret to take him to r3. could be used in rol only except for Wolverine, see still useless
Seems to me that you just don't know how to use him properly
Have you ever had to put him against doctor doom? Or any shock immune champion?
I mean a character as an attacker if though at disadvantage should have something in his kit to power through if tried hard. they made his while kit useless which fine whatever. But that includes basic attack as well. When he hits 300-500 damage against shock immune champions. It is painfull, even if armour break is not there no cleanse or stagger no nodes. What are mean is they just made his disabled in so many ways without even giving him any scope as attacker.
This guys has become the easiest defender to take down, even in Arena I had Idoom opponent with r5 max, easy as cakewalk, shouldn't be that easy I feel. Limited scope as attacker, so vulnerable as defender.
There are 8 champs in the game that are fully immune to shock. There are 5 additional champs in the game that are immune to shock if meeting certain conditions.
What are those 13 champs?? I feel like I know who they are when they come up in a quest or something but I can't think of any off the top of my head
There's actually more. I realized I was looking at an immunity chart from 2021.
Full immunity to shock- Mole Man Dr Doom Electro Terrax Shuri Korg Thing Nebula Hulkling Ant Man Scorpion Silver Surfer Thor Jane Foster Cassie Lang Super Skrull
Champs with immunity under conditions- IDoom w/Armor up Silver Centurion w/Armor Up Storm Pyramid X w/both blessings up Venompool against tech Emma Frost in diamond form Absorbing Man in Black Uru form.
So, 20 instead of 13 which there's 246 champs in the game. Odds are you aren't running into shock immune in every fight.
Oh ok. Thanks for this. I didn't know about Mole Man, Shuri, Silver Surfer, Silver Centurion, Venompool, or Storm X but that's cause I never used Idoom against those champs. Although I'm wondering about Jane Foster, I thought she wasn't immune but she just reduced the potency by 100%? Am I wrong??
Thor Jane Foster and Silver Surfer reduce the potency by 100%.
He's ****, gives nothing except for Bishop (that i kill with human Torch) nd nothing, so many nodes that make him sissy, so many championships that can walk over him , meme tier nd nothing, i regret to take him to r3. could be used in rol only except for Wolverine, see still useless
Seems to me that you just don't know how to use him properly
I do know, I used every rotation, did Alot, but that even matter if Hulkbuster use sp1 even if i bait it ?? Is it even matter if it's crumbling armor node , or fighting against surfer ,he just charge and release heavy, or is it matter fighting against any nullify or armor break champ ??? If you got any way around those plz do tell me 🙂
Yeah it's very simple: don't bring him into those match-ups. You argue that he sucks and then bring him into a match-up where he's at a disadvantage. No one to blame but yourself.
So we can't bring him up in almost 60% fights/nodes/champs 🤣🤣🤣 wow what a GOD tier 🤣🤣🤣🤣
First of all, that is a terrible estimation.
There are 5 nodes that place an unavoidable (in most cases) armor break on you afaik: Crumbling Armor, Fissure, Fractured Guard, Rust and Ruin, and Special Burst Lockdown. These are incredibly rare in-game. Crumbling Armor is almost exclusively placed in Havok fights nowadays. Special Burst Lockdown can be found in AW and AQ but you have 10 players in the same BG with 3 champions each. I'm sure someone else can take that fight for you. The other 3 are almost exclusive to story content, and even then it's incredibly rare to find them. If you do, it's only a lane. You can potentially use IDoom for the other 5 lanes.
Armor break champions. Like I mentioned before, this is an ability usually found in cosmic champions. Why would you ever bring a tech champion to a fight with class disadvantage? That's just an incredibly stupid idea. Given the nature of class relationships, many cosmic champions are immune or resistant to the common Tech abilities. Even then, you can still make IDoom work against some of them.
Nullify/Stagger/Fate Seal champions. Stagger won't affect IDoom so that's not an issue. You have around 8 mystic champions that can nullify/fate seal you while hitting them or it's just outright unavoidable. Not really a lot in a game with 246 characters. Then you have nodes like Buffet, Power Snack and Buffet over time. You can play around those by taking advantage of the dexterity buff. Not an issue. Only Tranquility can really mess him up.
And then you mentioned Hulkbuster. You should fight him almost exclusively with a cosmic champion due to his OAAR for every armor up on him. Shock immune champions aren't an issue when take into account the Peni Parker synergy.
So in total we have 45 cosmic champions (you shouldn't be taking these fights with tech champ in the first place), and 8 unavoidable nullifiers. That makes a grand total of 53 in a game with 246 champions which comes out to 21.5%. Now taking into account how often Tranquility, Crumbling Armor, Fissure, Fractured Guard, Rust and Ruin, and Special Burst Lockdown appear in meaningful content where you would want to take with IDoom, I'd say that it doesn't even get close to representing 30% of the match-ups in the entire game.
All in all your argument as to why IDoom sucks is still bad. Stop trying to bring champions into match-ups that aren't designed for them. It's just stupid. Furthermore, a champion doesn't need to be able to clear every single piece of content in the game to be considered good. In fact, it's better when champions aren't able to do that. Adds more variety to the game
When you are to hellbent on proving a point, you don't really see things with open mind.
1. There are 80+ champions with armour break 2. 32 champs with nullify, mostly mystic 3. You didn't consider the most common node an path, the attackers buff gets nullify to gain defender power, attacker buffs nullify to gain defender health. 4. You didn't even include shock immune champions 5. Then there are specialist with purify in them, you can't place any debuffs and many others as suchit listing all
Biggest issue with above point hie easily you assume just 1 path is an issue when above so many defends can be on different paths as well.
Let's be objective with data here. 60% is pretty good assumption to start with I would say.
Armor Break only happens if you get get 🤷. Don't get hit, no armor break.
He's ****, gives nothing except for Bishop (that i kill with human Torch) nd nothing, so many nodes that make him sissy, so many championships that can walk over him , meme tier nd nothing, i regret to take him to r3. could be used in rol only except for Wolverine, see still useless
Seems to me that you just don't know how to use him properly
I do know, I used every rotation, did Alot, but that even matter if Hulkbuster use sp1 even if i bait it ?? Is it even matter if it's crumbling armor node , or fighting against surfer ,he just charge and release heavy, or is it matter fighting against any nullify or armor break champ ??? If you got any way around those plz do tell me 🙂
Yeah it's very simple: don't bring him into those match-ups. You argue that he sucks and then bring him into a match-up where he's at a disadvantage. No one to blame but yourself.
So we can't bring him up in almost 60% fights/nodes/champs 🤣🤣🤣 wow what a GOD tier 🤣🤣🤣🤣
First of all, that is a terrible estimation.
There are 5 nodes that place an unavoidable (in most cases) armor break on you afaik: Crumbling Armor, Fissure, Fractured Guard, Rust and Ruin, and Special Burst Lockdown. These are incredibly rare in-game. Crumbling Armor is almost exclusively placed in Havok fights nowadays. Special Burst Lockdown can be found in AW and AQ but you have 10 players in the same BG with 3 champions each. I'm sure someone else can take that fight for you. The other 3 are almost exclusive to story content, and even then it's incredibly rare to find them. If you do, it's only a lane. You can potentially use IDoom for the other 5 lanes.
Armor break champions. Like I mentioned before, this is an ability usually found in cosmic champions. Why would you ever bring a tech champion to a fight with class disadvantage? That's just an incredibly stupid idea. Given the nature of class relationships, many cosmic champions are immune or resistant to the common Tech abilities. Even then, you can still make IDoom work against some of them.
Nullify/Stagger/Fate Seal champions. Stagger won't affect IDoom so that's not an issue. You have around 8 mystic champions that can nullify/fate seal you while hitting them or it's just outright unavoidable. Not really a lot in a game with 246 characters. Then you have nodes like Buffet, Power Snack and Buffet over time. You can play around those by taking advantage of the dexterity buff. Not an issue. Only Tranquility can really mess him up.
And then you mentioned Hulkbuster. You should fight him almost exclusively with a cosmic champion due to his OAAR for every armor up on him. Shock immune champions aren't an issue when take into account the Peni Parker synergy.
So in total we have 45 cosmic champions (you shouldn't be taking these fights with tech champ in the first place), and 8 unavoidable nullifiers. That makes a grand total of 53 in a game with 246 champions which comes out to 21.5%. Now taking into account how often Tranquility, Crumbling Armor, Fissure, Fractured Guard, Rust and Ruin, and Special Burst Lockdown appear in meaningful content where you would want to take with IDoom, I'd say that it doesn't even get close to representing 30% of the match-ups in the entire game.
All in all your argument as to why IDoom sucks is still bad. Stop trying to bring champions into match-ups that aren't designed for them. It's just stupid. Furthermore, a champion doesn't need to be able to clear every single piece of content in the game to be considered good. In fact, it's better when champions aren't able to do that. Adds more variety to the game
When you are to hellbent on proving a point, you don't really see things with open mind.
1. There are 80+ champions with armour break 2. 32 champs with nullify, mostly mystic 3. You didn't consider the most common node an path, the attackers buff gets nullify to gain defender power, attacker buffs nullify to gain defender health. 4. You didn't even include shock immune champions 5. Then there are specialist with purify in them, you can't place any debuffs and many others as suchit listing all
Biggest issue with above point hie easily you assume just 1 path is an issue when above so many defends can be on different paths as well.
Let's be objective with data here. 60% is pretty good assumption to start with I would say.
1. Many of those 80 champs with armor break have a way to avoid it. 2. From the 32 champs with nullify, only a few have an unavoidable nullify effect when striking them 3. I did consider those nodes and like I said, you can play around them with your dexterity buff 4. I didn't include them because you have the Peni synergy for that, and even if I included them they aren't that many as someone already pointed out earlier in the thread. Plus there is some overlap between the champs with armor break and the champs with nullify, giving you a lower percentage of fights that he cannot take 5. The only purify that would actively work against you is a max sig Crossbones due to the 90% chance. Every one else has a lower chance and thus they fail more often. 6. Ok so defenders can be placed in multiple paths. You still don't get the fact that you don't have to solo an entire path with him. It's not often that you find a path that can be soloed by a single champion. Usually it's just in EQ and even then, Kabam has been mixing up the defenders so that you use multiple attackers.
I've made this complaint before. His 100% reliance on his armor in a game where half the champs can nullify or armor break you is a big design flaw imo. Mystics should not be able to counter him so easily. He should've been made nullify immune like Omega sentinel, or still retain his armor when nullified in that weird way Nimrod does when armor broken. He is very much in the tier below those two.
Don’t use him against mystics…easy…
Don't use him vs mystics, don't use him vs cosmics - easy peasy. None of that changes the fact he is very limited and the main reason I ranked him as prestige not dame or utility. His utility and damage are too deeply tied to one easily neutered characteristic (by 80+ champs or nodes) - his armor.
That every champion in the game. Y'all acting like iDoom is the only champ that has counters.
He's ****, gives nothing except for Bishop (that i kill with human Torch) nd nothing, so many nodes that make him sissy, so many championships that can walk over him , meme tier nd nothing, i regret to take him to r3. could be used in rol only except for Wolverine, see still useless
Seems to me that you just don't know how to use him properly
I do know, I used every rotation, did Alot, but that even matter if Hulkbuster use sp1 even if i bait it ?? Is it even matter if it's crumbling armor node , or fighting against surfer ,he just charge and release heavy, or is it matter fighting against any nullify or armor break champ ??? If you got any way around those plz do tell me 🙂
Yeah it's very simple: don't bring him into those match-ups. You argue that he sucks and then bring him into a match-up where he's at a disadvantage. No one to blame but yourself.
So we can't bring him up in almost 60% fights/nodes/champs 🤣🤣🤣 wow what a GOD tier 🤣🤣🤣🤣
First of all, that is a terrible estimation.
There are 5 nodes that place an unavoidable (in most cases) armor break on you afaik: Crumbling Armor, Fissure, Fractured Guard, Rust and Ruin, and Special Burst Lockdown. These are incredibly rare in-game. Crumbling Armor is almost exclusively placed in Havok fights nowadays. Special Burst Lockdown can be found in AW and AQ but you have 10 players in the same BG with 3 champions each. I'm sure someone else can take that fight for you. The other 3 are almost exclusive to story content, and even then it's incredibly rare to find them. If you do, it's only a lane. You can potentially use IDoom for the other 5 lanes.
Armor break champions. Like I mentioned before, this is an ability usually found in cosmic champions. Why would you ever bring a tech champion to a fight with class disadvantage? That's just an incredibly stupid idea. Given the nature of class relationships, many cosmic champions are immune or resistant to the common Tech abilities. Even then, you can still make IDoom work against some of them.
Nullify/Stagger/Fate Seal champions. Stagger won't affect IDoom so that's not an issue. You have around 8 mystic champions that can nullify/fate seal you while hitting them or it's just outright unavoidable. Not really a lot in a game with 246 characters. Then you have nodes like Buffet, Power Snack and Buffet over time. You can play around those by taking advantage of the dexterity buff. Not an issue. Only Tranquility can really mess him up.
And then you mentioned Hulkbuster. You should fight him almost exclusively with a cosmic champion due to his OAAR for every armor up on him. Shock immune champions aren't an issue when take into account the Peni Parker synergy.
So in total we have 45 cosmic champions (you shouldn't be taking these fights with tech champ in the first place), and 8 unavoidable nullifiers. That makes a grand total of 53 in a game with 246 champions which comes out to 21.5%. Now taking into account how often Tranquility, Crumbling Armor, Fissure, Fractured Guard, Rust and Ruin, and Special Burst Lockdown appear in meaningful content where you would want to take with IDoom, I'd say that it doesn't even get close to representing 30% of the match-ups in the entire game.
All in all your argument as to why IDoom sucks is still bad. Stop trying to bring champions into match-ups that aren't designed for them. It's just stupid. Furthermore, a champion doesn't need to be able to clear every single piece of content in the game to be considered good. In fact, it's better when champions aren't able to do that. Adds more variety to the game
When you are to hellbent on proving a point, you don't really see things with open mind.
1. There are 80+ champions with armour break 2. 32 champs with nullify, mostly mystic 3. You didn't consider the most common node an path, the attackers buff gets nullify to gain defender power, attacker buffs nullify to gain defender health. 4. You didn't even include shock immune champions 5. Then there are specialist with purify in them, you can't place any debuffs and many others as suchit listing all
Biggest issue with above point hie easily you assume just 1 path is an issue when above so many defends can be on different paths as well.
Let's be objective with data here. 60% is pretty good assumption to start with I would say.
1. Many of those 80 champs with armor break have a way to avoid it. 2. From the 32 champs with nullify, only a few have an unavoidable nullify effect when striking them 3. I did consider those nodes and like I said, you can play around them with your dexterity buff 4. I didn't include them because you have the Peni synergy for that, and even if I included them they aren't that many as someone already pointed out earlier in the thread. Plus there is some overlap between the champs with armor break and the champs with nullify, giving you a lower percentage of fights that he cannot take 5. The only purify that would actively work against you is a max sig Crossbones due to the 90% chance. Every one else has a lower chance and thus they fail more often. 6. Ok so defenders can be placed in multiple paths. You still don't get the fact that you don't have to solo an entire path with him. It's not often that you find a path that can be soloed by a single champion. Usually it's just in EQ and even then, Kabam has been mixing up the defenders so that you use multiple attackers.
So no, your 60% assumption is still way off
With all those restrictions and limitation any champ can shine , sorry any medicore champ can shine , if you gonna choose matchup look for nodes and than need synergy too , any shity champ can do that Even Black bolt can do that than . I'm saying if you want to do it just put him jn C tier that's it.
He's ****, gives nothing except for Bishop (that i kill with human Torch) nd nothing, so many nodes that make him sissy, so many championships that can walk over him , meme tier nd nothing, i regret to take him to r3. could be used in rol only except for Wolverine, see still useless
Seems to me that you just don't know how to use him properly
I do know, I used every rotation, did Alot, but that even matter if Hulkbuster use sp1 even if i bait it ?? Is it even matter if it's crumbling armor node , or fighting against surfer ,he just charge and release heavy, or is it matter fighting against any nullify or armor break champ ??? If you got any way around those plz do tell me 🙂
Yeah it's very simple: don't bring him into those match-ups. You argue that he sucks and then bring him into a match-up where he's at a disadvantage. No one to blame but yourself.
So we can't bring him up in almost 60% fights/nodes/champs 🤣🤣🤣 wow what a GOD tier 🤣🤣🤣🤣
First of all, that is a terrible estimation.
There are 5 nodes that place an unavoidable (in most cases) armor break on you afaik: Crumbling Armor, Fissure, Fractured Guard, Rust and Ruin, and Special Burst Lockdown. These are incredibly rare in-game. Crumbling Armor is almost exclusively placed in Havok fights nowadays. Special Burst Lockdown can be found in AW and AQ but you have 10 players in the same BG with 3 champions each. I'm sure someone else can take that fight for you. The other 3 are almost exclusive to story content, and even then it's incredibly rare to find them. If you do, it's only a lane. You can potentially use IDoom for the other 5 lanes.
Armor break champions. Like I mentioned before, this is an ability usually found in cosmic champions. Why would you ever bring a tech champion to a fight with class disadvantage? That's just an incredibly stupid idea. Given the nature of class relationships, many cosmic champions are immune or resistant to the common Tech abilities. Even then, you can still make IDoom work against some of them.
Nullify/Stagger/Fate Seal champions. Stagger won't affect IDoom so that's not an issue. You have around 8 mystic champions that can nullify/fate seal you while hitting them or it's just outright unavoidable. Not really a lot in a game with 246 characters. Then you have nodes like Buffet, Power Snack and Buffet over time. You can play around those by taking advantage of the dexterity buff. Not an issue. Only Tranquility can really mess him up.
And then you mentioned Hulkbuster. You should fight him almost exclusively with a cosmic champion due to his OAAR for every armor up on him. Shock immune champions aren't an issue when take into account the Peni Parker synergy.
So in total we have 45 cosmic champions (you shouldn't be taking these fights with tech champ in the first place), and 8 unavoidable nullifiers. That makes a grand total of 53 in a game with 246 champions which comes out to 21.5%. Now taking into account how often Tranquility, Crumbling Armor, Fissure, Fractured Guard, Rust and Ruin, and Special Burst Lockdown appear in meaningful content where you would want to take with IDoom, I'd say that it doesn't even get close to representing 30% of the match-ups in the entire game.
All in all your argument as to why IDoom sucks is still bad. Stop trying to bring champions into match-ups that aren't designed for them. It's just stupid. Furthermore, a champion doesn't need to be able to clear every single piece of content in the game to be considered good. In fact, it's better when champions aren't able to do that. Adds more variety to the game
When you are to hellbent on proving a point, you don't really see things with open mind.
1. There are 80+ champions with armour break 2. 32 champs with nullify, mostly mystic 3. You didn't consider the most common node an path, the attackers buff gets nullify to gain defender power, attacker buffs nullify to gain defender health. 4. You didn't even include shock immune champions 5. Then there are specialist with purify in them, you can't place any debuffs and many others as suchit listing all
Biggest issue with above point hie easily you assume just 1 path is an issue when above so many defends can be on different paths as well.
Let's be objective with data here. 60% is pretty good assumption to start with I would say.
"Let's be objective with data here." Proceeds to list off a bunch of data that doesn't actually have merit in the context we're discussing. 80+ armor break champs and 32 champs with nullify means nothing when a large percentage of those are avoidable mechanics when the champion is a defender.
"You didn't consider the most common node an path, the attackers buff gets nullify to gain defender power, attacker buffs nullify to gain defender health." These are extremely easy to play around as iDoom. You lose your first armor buff, then you just eat the nullify with dexterity before your next armor up. Again, trying to make an argument out of nothing.
"You didn't even include shock immune champions" he didn't have to, Peni Parker synergy exists.
"Then there are specialist with purify in them, you can't place any debuffs and many others as suchit listing all" Don't take a debuff heavy champ into these matchups?
I find it absolutely hilarious that you've spend this entire discussion post slamming extremely biased takes, then you have the audacity to say "When you are to hellbent on proving a point, you don't really see things with open mind." to someone. Where exactly is your open mind with the numerous people that have given you solid points as to why he's good, and your responses against that consistently have only disagrees and VERY FEW agrees?
He's ****, gives nothing except for Bishop (that i kill with human Torch) nd nothing, so many nodes that make him sissy, so many championships that can walk over him , meme tier nd nothing, i regret to take him to r3. could be used in rol only except for Wolverine, see still useless
Seems to me that you just don't know how to use him properly
I do know, I used every rotation, did Alot, but that even matter if Hulkbuster use sp1 even if i bait it ?? Is it even matter if it's crumbling armor node , or fighting against surfer ,he just charge and release heavy, or is it matter fighting against any nullify or armor break champ ??? If you got any way around those plz do tell me 🙂
Yeah it's very simple: don't bring him into those match-ups. You argue that he sucks and then bring him into a match-up where he's at a disadvantage. No one to blame but yourself.
So we can't bring him up in almost 60% fights/nodes/champs 🤣🤣🤣 wow what a GOD tier 🤣🤣🤣🤣
First of all, that is a terrible estimation.
There are 5 nodes that place an unavoidable (in most cases) armor break on you afaik: Crumbling Armor, Fissure, Fractured Guard, Rust and Ruin, and Special Burst Lockdown. These are incredibly rare in-game. Crumbling Armor is almost exclusively placed in Havok fights nowadays. Special Burst Lockdown can be found in AW and AQ but you have 10 players in the same BG with 3 champions each. I'm sure someone else can take that fight for you. The other 3 are almost exclusive to story content, and even then it's incredibly rare to find them. If you do, it's only a lane. You can potentially use IDoom for the other 5 lanes.
Armor break champions. Like I mentioned before, this is an ability usually found in cosmic champions. Why would you ever bring a tech champion to a fight with class disadvantage? That's just an incredibly stupid idea. Given the nature of class relationships, many cosmic champions are immune or resistant to the common Tech abilities. Even then, you can still make IDoom work against some of them.
Nullify/Stagger/Fate Seal champions. Stagger won't affect IDoom so that's not an issue. You have around 8 mystic champions that can nullify/fate seal you while hitting them or it's just outright unavoidable. Not really a lot in a game with 246 characters. Then you have nodes like Buffet, Power Snack and Buffet over time. You can play around those by taking advantage of the dexterity buff. Not an issue. Only Tranquility can really mess him up.
And then you mentioned Hulkbuster. You should fight him almost exclusively with a cosmic champion due to his OAAR for every armor up on him. Shock immune champions aren't an issue when take into account the Peni Parker synergy.
So in total we have 45 cosmic champions (you shouldn't be taking these fights with tech champ in the first place), and 8 unavoidable nullifiers. That makes a grand total of 53 in a game with 246 champions which comes out to 21.5%. Now taking into account how often Tranquility, Crumbling Armor, Fissure, Fractured Guard, Rust and Ruin, and Special Burst Lockdown appear in meaningful content where you would want to take with IDoom, I'd say that it doesn't even get close to representing 30% of the match-ups in the entire game.
All in all your argument as to why IDoom sucks is still bad. Stop trying to bring champions into match-ups that aren't designed for them. It's just stupid. Furthermore, a champion doesn't need to be able to clear every single piece of content in the game to be considered good. In fact, it's better when champions aren't able to do that. Adds more variety to the game
When you are to hellbent on proving a point, you don't really see things with open mind.
1. There are 80+ champions with armour break 2. 32 champs with nullify, mostly mystic 3. You didn't consider the most common node an path, the attackers buff gets nullify to gain defender power, attacker buffs nullify to gain defender health. 4. You didn't even include shock immune champions 5. Then there are specialist with purify in them, you can't place any debuffs and many others as suchit listing all
Biggest issue with above point hie easily you assume just 1 path is an issue when above so many defends can be on different paths as well.
Let's be objective with data here. 60% is pretty good assumption to start with I would say.
1. Many of those 80 champs with armor break have a way to avoid it. 2. From the 32 champs with nullify, only a few have an unavoidable nullify effect when striking them 3. I did consider those nodes and like I said, you can play around them with your dexterity buff 4. I didn't include them because you have the Peni synergy for that, and even if I included them they aren't that many as someone already pointed out earlier in the thread. Plus there is some overlap between the champs with armor break and the champs with nullify, giving you a lower percentage of fights that he cannot take 5. The only purify that would actively work against you is a max sig Crossbones due to the 90% chance. Every one else has a lower chance and thus they fail more often. 6. Ok so defenders can be placed in multiple paths. You still don't get the fact that you don't have to solo an entire path with him. It's not often that you find a path that can be soloed by a single champion. Usually it's just in EQ and even then, Kabam has been mixing up the defenders so that you use multiple attackers.
So no, your 60% assumption is still way off
With all those restrictions and limitation any champ can shine , sorry any medicore champ can shine , if you gonna choose matchup look for nodes and than need synergy too , any shity champ can do that Even Black bolt can do that than . I'm saying if you want to do it just put him jn C tier that's it.
Obviously you and OP only want to hate on the champion. The point is that you're making him out to be way worse than he is. C tier? Not even close, he's way better than that. If you don't want to use the champion then don't use him. Nobody is forcing you to do it. Adaptability is a big component of the game. The inability to play around specific nodes or champion abilities with IDoom when it is completely feasible to do so is just a skill issue on your end.
He's ****, gives nothing except for Bishop (that i kill with human Torch) nd nothing, so many nodes that make him sissy, so many championships that can walk over him , meme tier nd nothing, i regret to take him to r3. could be used in rol only except for Wolverine, see still useless
Seems to me that you just don't know how to use him properly
I do know, I used every rotation, did Alot, but that even matter if Hulkbuster use sp1 even if i bait it ?? Is it even matter if it's crumbling armor node , or fighting against surfer ,he just charge and release heavy, or is it matter fighting against any nullify or armor break champ ??? If you got any way around those plz do tell me 🙂
Yeah it's very simple: don't bring him into those match-ups. You argue that he sucks and then bring him into a match-up where he's at a disadvantage. No one to blame but yourself.
So we can't bring him up in almost 60% fights/nodes/champs 🤣🤣🤣 wow what a GOD tier 🤣🤣🤣🤣
First of all, that is a terrible estimation.
There are 5 nodes that place an unavoidable (in most cases) armor break on you afaik: Crumbling Armor, Fissure, Fractured Guard, Rust and Ruin, and Special Burst Lockdown. These are incredibly rare in-game. Crumbling Armor is almost exclusively placed in Havok fights nowadays. Special Burst Lockdown can be found in AW and AQ but you have 10 players in the same BG with 3 champions each. I'm sure someone else can take that fight for you. The other 3 are almost exclusive to story content, and even then it's incredibly rare to find them. If you do, it's only a lane. You can potentially use IDoom for the other 5 lanes.
Armor break champions. Like I mentioned before, this is an ability usually found in cosmic champions. Why would you ever bring a tech champion to a fight with class disadvantage? That's just an incredibly stupid idea. Given the nature of class relationships, many cosmic champions are immune or resistant to the common Tech abilities. Even then, you can still make IDoom work against some of them.
Nullify/Stagger/Fate Seal champions. Stagger won't affect IDoom so that's not an issue. You have around 8 mystic champions that can nullify/fate seal you while hitting them or it's just outright unavoidable. Not really a lot in a game with 246 characters. Then you have nodes like Buffet, Power Snack and Buffet over time. You can play around those by taking advantage of the dexterity buff. Not an issue. Only Tranquility can really mess him up.
And then you mentioned Hulkbuster. You should fight him almost exclusively with a cosmic champion due to his OAAR for every armor up on him. Shock immune champions aren't an issue when take into account the Peni Parker synergy.
So in total we have 45 cosmic champions (you shouldn't be taking these fights with tech champ in the first place), and 8 unavoidable nullifiers. That makes a grand total of 53 in a game with 246 champions which comes out to 21.5%. Now taking into account how often Tranquility, Crumbling Armor, Fissure, Fractured Guard, Rust and Ruin, and Special Burst Lockdown appear in meaningful content where you would want to take with IDoom, I'd say that it doesn't even get close to representing 30% of the match-ups in the entire game.
All in all your argument as to why IDoom sucks is still bad. Stop trying to bring champions into match-ups that aren't designed for them. It's just stupid. Furthermore, a champion doesn't need to be able to clear every single piece of content in the game to be considered good. In fact, it's better when champions aren't able to do that. Adds more variety to the game
When you are to hellbent on proving a point, you don't really see things with open mind.
1. There are 80+ champions with armour break 2. 32 champs with nullify, mostly mystic 3. You didn't consider the most common node an path, the attackers buff gets nullify to gain defender power, attacker buffs nullify to gain defender health. 4. You didn't even include shock immune champions 5. Then there are specialist with purify in them, you can't place any debuffs and many others as suchit listing all
Biggest issue with above point hie easily you assume just 1 path is an issue when above so many defends can be on different paths as well.
Let's be objective with data here. 60% is pretty good assumption to start with I would say.
1. Many of those 80 champs with armor break have a way to avoid it. 2. From the 32 champs with nullify, only a few have an unavoidable nullify effect when striking them 3. I did consider those nodes and like I said, you can play around them with your dexterity buff 4. I didn't include them because you have the Peni synergy for that, and even if I included them they aren't that many as someone already pointed out earlier in the thread. Plus there is some overlap between the champs with armor break and the champs with nullify, giving you a lower percentage of fights that he cannot take 5. The only purify that would actively work against you is a max sig Crossbones due to the 90% chance. Every one else has a lower chance and thus they fail more often. 6. Ok so defenders can be placed in multiple paths. You still don't get the fact that you don't have to solo an entire path with him. It's not often that you find a path that can be soloed by a single champion. Usually it's just in EQ and even then, Kabam has been mixing up the defenders so that you use multiple attackers.
So no, your 60% assumption is still way off
With all those restrictions and limitation any champ can shine , sorry any medicore champ can shine , if you gonna choose matchup look for nodes and than need synergy too , any shity champ can do that Even Black bolt can do that than . I'm saying if you want to do it just put him jn C tier that's it.
Obviously you and OP only want to hate on the champion. The point is that you're making him out to be way worse than he is. C tier? Not even close, he's way better than that. If you don't want to use the champion then don't use him. Nobody is forcing you to do it. Adaptability is a big component of the game. The inability to play around specific nodes or champion abilities with IDoom when it is completely feasible to do so is just a skill issue on your end.
Not hate , he was my most wanted champ, I opened class specific crystals for him , love his play style and hot animation, we are not hating on him we are just saying he's too overrated or over hyped that's all , we already got Hyperion,Doom , CGR, Hulking,Galan,Kitty that counter almost every nodes and champs 98% easily, and Many times no need to read nodes just nuke them that's all , Idoom too reliant on Armor buff ,same issue with ghost armor break and no more phasing 🤦 but her armor nullify or remove is ok just don't get armor break, he's damn good for prestige and show off , might some find hard to kill him but for me he's over hyped. That's all . No hate to any champ except for Groot 🤣🤣🤣
He's ****, gives nothing except for Bishop (that i kill with human Torch) nd nothing, so many nodes that make him sissy, so many championships that can walk over him , meme tier nd nothing, i regret to take him to r3. could be used in rol only except for Wolverine, see still useless
Seems to me that you just don't know how to use him properly
I do know, I used every rotation, did Alot, but that even matter if Hulkbuster use sp1 even if i bait it ?? Is it even matter if it's crumbling armor node , or fighting against surfer ,he just charge and release heavy, or is it matter fighting against any nullify or armor break champ ??? If you got any way around those plz do tell me 🙂
Yeah it's very simple: don't bring him into those match-ups. You argue that he sucks and then bring him into a match-up where he's at a disadvantage. No one to blame but yourself.
So we can't bring him up in almost 60% fights/nodes/champs 🤣🤣🤣 wow what a GOD tier 🤣🤣🤣🤣
First of all, that is a terrible estimation.
There are 5 nodes that place an unavoidable (in most cases) armor break on you afaik: Crumbling Armor, Fissure, Fractured Guard, Rust and Ruin, and Special Burst Lockdown. These are incredibly rare in-game. Crumbling Armor is almost exclusively placed in Havok fights nowadays. Special Burst Lockdown can be found in AW and AQ but you have 10 players in the same BG with 3 champions each. I'm sure someone else can take that fight for you. The other 3 are almost exclusive to story content, and even then it's incredibly rare to find them. If you do, it's only a lane. You can potentially use IDoom for the other 5 lanes.
Armor break champions. Like I mentioned before, this is an ability usually found in cosmic champions. Why would you ever bring a tech champion to a fight with class disadvantage? That's just an incredibly stupid idea. Given the nature of class relationships, many cosmic champions are immune or resistant to the common Tech abilities. Even then, you can still make IDoom work against some of them.
Nullify/Stagger/Fate Seal champions. Stagger won't affect IDoom so that's not an issue. You have around 8 mystic champions that can nullify/fate seal you while hitting them or it's just outright unavoidable. Not really a lot in a game with 246 characters. Then you have nodes like Buffet, Power Snack and Buffet over time. You can play around those by taking advantage of the dexterity buff. Not an issue. Only Tranquility can really mess him up.
And then you mentioned Hulkbuster. You should fight him almost exclusively with a cosmic champion due to his OAAR for every armor up on him. Shock immune champions aren't an issue when take into account the Peni Parker synergy.
So in total we have 45 cosmic champions (you shouldn't be taking these fights with tech champ in the first place), and 8 unavoidable nullifiers. That makes a grand total of 53 in a game with 246 champions which comes out to 21.5%. Now taking into account how often Tranquility, Crumbling Armor, Fissure, Fractured Guard, Rust and Ruin, and Special Burst Lockdown appear in meaningful content where you would want to take with IDoom, I'd say that it doesn't even get close to representing 30% of the match-ups in the entire game.
All in all your argument as to why IDoom sucks is still bad. Stop trying to bring champions into match-ups that aren't designed for them. It's just stupid. Furthermore, a champion doesn't need to be able to clear every single piece of content in the game to be considered good. In fact, it's better when champions aren't able to do that. Adds more variety to the game
When you are to hellbent on proving a point, you don't really see things with open mind.
1. There are 80+ champions with armour break 2. 32 champs with nullify, mostly mystic 3. You didn't consider the most common node an path, the attackers buff gets nullify to gain defender power, attacker buffs nullify to gain defender health. 4. You didn't even include shock immune champions 5. Then there are specialist with purify in them, you can't place any debuffs and many others as suchit listing all
Biggest issue with above point hie easily you assume just 1 path is an issue when above so many defends can be on different paths as well.
Let's be objective with data here. 60% is pretty good assumption to start with I would say.
1. Many of those 80 champs with armor break have a way to avoid it. 2. From the 32 champs with nullify, only a few have an unavoidable nullify effect when striking them 3. I did consider those nodes and like I said, you can play around them with your dexterity buff 4. I didn't include them because you have the Peni synergy for that, and even if I included them they aren't that many as someone already pointed out earlier in the thread. Plus there is some overlap between the champs with armor break and the champs with nullify, giving you a lower percentage of fights that he cannot take 5. The only purify that would actively work against you is a max sig Crossbones due to the 90% chance. Every one else has a lower chance and thus they fail more often. 6. Ok so defenders can be placed in multiple paths. You still don't get the fact that you don't have to solo an entire path with him. It's not often that you find a path that can be soloed by a single champion. Usually it's just in EQ and even then, Kabam has been mixing up the defenders so that you use multiple attackers.
So no, your 60% assumption is still way off
With all those restrictions and limitation any champ can shine , sorry any medicore champ can shine , if you gonna choose matchup look for nodes and than need synergy too , any shity champ can do that Even Black bolt can do that than . I'm saying if you want to do it just put him jn C tier that's it.
So is your argument here really that your bar for a champ to not be C tier is that you need to be able to just blindly go into fights without even looking at the nodes? Because there are basically no champions in this game that can do that across the entirety of content. Your best bet is hercules and even he will get wrecked on some degen or buff removal nodes.
He's ****, gives nothing except for Bishop (that i kill with human Torch) nd nothing, so many nodes that make him sissy, so many championships that can walk over him , meme tier nd nothing, i regret to take him to r3. could be used in rol only except for Wolverine, see still useless
Seems to me that you just don't know how to use him properly
I do know, I used every rotation, did Alot, but that even matter if Hulkbuster use sp1 even if i bait it ?? Is it even matter if it's crumbling armor node , or fighting against surfer ,he just charge and release heavy, or is it matter fighting against any nullify or armor break champ ??? If you got any way around those plz do tell me 🙂
Yeah it's very simple: don't bring him into those match-ups. You argue that he sucks and then bring him into a match-up where he's at a disadvantage. No one to blame but yourself.
So we can't bring him up in almost 60% fights/nodes/champs 🤣🤣🤣 wow what a GOD tier 🤣🤣🤣🤣
First of all, that is a terrible estimation.
There are 5 nodes that place an unavoidable (in most cases) armor break on you afaik: Crumbling Armor, Fissure, Fractured Guard, Rust and Ruin, and Special Burst Lockdown. These are incredibly rare in-game. Crumbling Armor is almost exclusively placed in Havok fights nowadays. Special Burst Lockdown can be found in AW and AQ but you have 10 players in the same BG with 3 champions each. I'm sure someone else can take that fight for you. The other 3 are almost exclusive to story content, and even then it's incredibly rare to find them. If you do, it's only a lane. You can potentially use IDoom for the other 5 lanes.
Armor break champions. Like I mentioned before, this is an ability usually found in cosmic champions. Why would you ever bring a tech champion to a fight with class disadvantage? That's just an incredibly stupid idea. Given the nature of class relationships, many cosmic champions are immune or resistant to the common Tech abilities. Even then, you can still make IDoom work against some of them.
Nullify/Stagger/Fate Seal champions. Stagger won't affect IDoom so that's not an issue. You have around 8 mystic champions that can nullify/fate seal you while hitting them or it's just outright unavoidable. Not really a lot in a game with 246 characters. Then you have nodes like Buffet, Power Snack and Buffet over time. You can play around those by taking advantage of the dexterity buff. Not an issue. Only Tranquility can really mess him up.
And then you mentioned Hulkbuster. You should fight him almost exclusively with a cosmic champion due to his OAAR for every armor up on him. Shock immune champions aren't an issue when take into account the Peni Parker synergy.
So in total we have 45 cosmic champions (you shouldn't be taking these fights with tech champ in the first place), and 8 unavoidable nullifiers. That makes a grand total of 53 in a game with 246 champions which comes out to 21.5%. Now taking into account how often Tranquility, Crumbling Armor, Fissure, Fractured Guard, Rust and Ruin, and Special Burst Lockdown appear in meaningful content where you would want to take with IDoom, I'd say that it doesn't even get close to representing 30% of the match-ups in the entire game.
All in all your argument as to why IDoom sucks is still bad. Stop trying to bring champions into match-ups that aren't designed for them. It's just stupid. Furthermore, a champion doesn't need to be able to clear every single piece of content in the game to be considered good. In fact, it's better when champions aren't able to do that. Adds more variety to the game
When you are to hellbent on proving a point, you don't really see things with open mind.
1. There are 80+ champions with armour break 2. 32 champs with nullify, mostly mystic 3. You didn't consider the most common node an path, the attackers buff gets nullify to gain defender power, attacker buffs nullify to gain defender health. 4. You didn't even include shock immune champions 5. Then there are specialist with purify in them, you can't place any debuffs and many others as suchit listing all
Biggest issue with above point hie easily you assume just 1 path is an issue when above so many defends can be on different paths as well.
Let's be objective with data here. 60% is pretty good assumption to start with I would say.
1. Many of those 80 champs with armor break have a way to avoid it. 2. From the 32 champs with nullify, only a few have an unavoidable nullify effect when striking them 3. I did consider those nodes and like I said, you can play around them with your dexterity buff 4. I didn't include them because you have the Peni synergy for that, and even if I included them they aren't that many as someone already pointed out earlier in the thread. Plus there is some overlap between the champs with armor break and the champs with nullify, giving you a lower percentage of fights that he cannot take 5. The only purify that would actively work against you is a max sig Crossbones due to the 90% chance. Every one else has a lower chance and thus they fail more often. 6. Ok so defenders can be placed in multiple paths. You still don't get the fact that you don't have to solo an entire path with him. It's not often that you find a path that can be soloed by a single champion. Usually it's just in EQ and even then, Kabam has been mixing up the defenders so that you use multiple attackers.
So no, your 60% assumption is still way off
With all those restrictions and limitation any champ can shine , sorry any medicore champ can shine , if you gonna choose matchup look for nodes and than need synergy too , any shity champ can do that Even Black bolt can do that than . I'm saying if you want to do it just put him jn C tier that's it.
So is your argument here really that your bar for a champ to not be C tier is that you need to be able to just blindly go into fights without even looking at the nodes? Because there are basically no champions in this game that can do that across the entirety of content. Your best bet is hercules and even he will get wrecked on some degen or buff removal nodes.
Nope my criteria is not that , but he's in C class because he's too reliant on one thing, look at Nick furry his demage totally go with bleed but he still hit hard without bleed , you can see his big yellow numbers on sp2 , unlockable, debuff shrug, Stun imunity, bleed immune no problem still got many utilities to balance, Without armor what are his uses plz do share with us 🙂
He's ****, gives nothing except for Bishop (that i kill with human Torch) nd nothing, so many nodes that make him sissy, so many championships that can walk over him , meme tier nd nothing, i regret to take him to r3. could be used in rol only except for Wolverine, see still useless
Seems to me that you just don't know how to use him properly
I do know, I used every rotation, did Alot, but that even matter if Hulkbuster use sp1 even if i bait it ?? Is it even matter if it's crumbling armor node , or fighting against surfer ,he just charge and release heavy, or is it matter fighting against any nullify or armor break champ ??? If you got any way around those plz do tell me 🙂
Yeah it's very simple: don't bring him into those match-ups. You argue that he sucks and then bring him into a match-up where he's at a disadvantage. No one to blame but yourself.
So we can't bring him up in almost 60% fights/nodes/champs 🤣🤣🤣 wow what a GOD tier 🤣🤣🤣🤣
First of all, that is a terrible estimation.
There are 5 nodes that place an unavoidable (in most cases) armor break on you afaik: Crumbling Armor, Fissure, Fractured Guard, Rust and Ruin, and Special Burst Lockdown. These are incredibly rare in-game. Crumbling Armor is almost exclusively placed in Havok fights nowadays. Special Burst Lockdown can be found in AW and AQ but you have 10 players in the same BG with 3 champions each. I'm sure someone else can take that fight for you. The other 3 are almost exclusive to story content, and even then it's incredibly rare to find them. If you do, it's only a lane. You can potentially use IDoom for the other 5 lanes.
Armor break champions. Like I mentioned before, this is an ability usually found in cosmic champions. Why would you ever bring a tech champion to a fight with class disadvantage? That's just an incredibly stupid idea. Given the nature of class relationships, many cosmic champions are immune or resistant to the common Tech abilities. Even then, you can still make IDoom work against some of them.
Nullify/Stagger/Fate Seal champions. Stagger won't affect IDoom so that's not an issue. You have around 8 mystic champions that can nullify/fate seal you while hitting them or it's just outright unavoidable. Not really a lot in a game with 246 characters. Then you have nodes like Buffet, Power Snack and Buffet over time. You can play around those by taking advantage of the dexterity buff. Not an issue. Only Tranquility can really mess him up.
And then you mentioned Hulkbuster. You should fight him almost exclusively with a cosmic champion due to his OAAR for every armor up on him. Shock immune champions aren't an issue when take into account the Peni Parker synergy.
So in total we have 45 cosmic champions (you shouldn't be taking these fights with tech champ in the first place), and 8 unavoidable nullifiers. That makes a grand total of 53 in a game with 246 champions which comes out to 21.5%. Now taking into account how often Tranquility, Crumbling Armor, Fissure, Fractured Guard, Rust and Ruin, and Special Burst Lockdown appear in meaningful content where you would want to take with IDoom, I'd say that it doesn't even get close to representing 30% of the match-ups in the entire game.
All in all your argument as to why IDoom sucks is still bad. Stop trying to bring champions into match-ups that aren't designed for them. It's just stupid. Furthermore, a champion doesn't need to be able to clear every single piece of content in the game to be considered good. In fact, it's better when champions aren't able to do that. Adds more variety to the game
When you are to hellbent on proving a point, you don't really see things with open mind.
1. There are 80+ champions with armour break 2. 32 champs with nullify, mostly mystic 3. You didn't consider the most common node an path, the attackers buff gets nullify to gain defender power, attacker buffs nullify to gain defender health. 4. You didn't even include shock immune champions 5. Then there are specialist with purify in them, you can't place any debuffs and many others as suchit listing all
Biggest issue with above point hie easily you assume just 1 path is an issue when above so many defends can be on different paths as well.
Let's be objective with data here. 60% is pretty good assumption to start with I would say.
1. Many of those 80 champs with armor break have a way to avoid it. 2. From the 32 champs with nullify, only a few have an unavoidable nullify effect when striking them 3. I did consider those nodes and like I said, you can play around them with your dexterity buff 4. I didn't include them because you have the Peni synergy for that, and even if I included them they aren't that many as someone already pointed out earlier in the thread. Plus there is some overlap between the champs with armor break and the champs with nullify, giving you a lower percentage of fights that he cannot take 5. The only purify that would actively work against you is a max sig Crossbones due to the 90% chance. Every one else has a lower chance and thus they fail more often. 6. Ok so defenders can be placed in multiple paths. You still don't get the fact that you don't have to solo an entire path with him. It's not often that you find a path that can be soloed by a single champion. Usually it's just in EQ and even then, Kabam has been mixing up the defenders so that you use multiple attackers.
So no, your 60% assumption is still way off
With all those restrictions and limitation any champ can shine , sorry any medicore champ can shine , if you gonna choose matchup look for nodes and than need synergy too , any shity champ can do that Even Black bolt can do that than . I'm saying if you want to do it just put him jn C tier that's it.
So is your argument here really that your bar for a champ to not be C tier is that you need to be able to just blindly go into fights without even looking at the nodes? Because there are basically no champions in this game that can do that across the entirety of content. Your best bet is hercules and even he will get wrecked on some degen or buff removal nodes.
Nope my criteria is not that , but he's in C class because he's too reliant on one thing, look at Nick furry his demage totally go with bleed but he still hit hard without bleed , you can see his big yellow numbers on sp2 , unlockable, debuff shrug, Stun imunity, bleed immune no problem still got many utilities to balance, Without armor what are his uses plz do share with us 🙂
Leave armor , debuff imunity node or shock imunity champs what he offere?? Without penny synergy just stand alone champ?..
People will complain about everything, lol!! Most of you ranked.up iDoom because of his prestige, and now you cry that he is not as good as Doom... a bunch of cry.babies
For me he's underwhelming. I'm tried to use him in this months EQ in the tech chapter. Nodes don't benefit him. Nimrod and Omega Sentinel are shredding it. If it wasn't for his prestige, I would leave him at R2 or so.
I've made this complaint before. His 100% reliance on his armor in a game where half the champs can nullify or armor break you is a big design flaw imo. Mystics should not be able to counter him so easily. He should've been made nullify immune like Omega sentinel, or still retain his armor when nullified in that weird way Nimrod does when armor broken. He is very much in the tier below those two.
Don’t use him against mystics…easy…
Don't use him vs mystics, don't use him vs cosmics - easy peasy. None of that changes the fact he is very limited and the main reason I ranked him as prestige not dame or utility. His utility and damage are too deeply tied to one easily neutered characteristic (by 80+ champs or nodes) - his armor.
That every champion in the game. Y'all acting like iDoom is the only champ that has counters.
The number of counters isn't the issue - it's how neutered he becomes from these counters. For example Domino has few counters that makes her a noodle. Same with Rintrah as another example. When iDoom is countered he gets countered hard.
I've made this complaint before. His 100% reliance on his armor in a game where half the champs can nullify or armor break you is a big design flaw imo. Mystics should not be able to counter him so easily. He should've been made nullify immune like Omega sentinel, or still retain his armor when nullified in that weird way Nimrod does when armor broken. He is very much in the tier below those two.
Don’t use him against mystics…easy…
Don't use him vs mystics, don't use him vs cosmics - easy peasy. None of that changes the fact he is very limited and the main reason I ranked him as prestige not dame or utility. His utility and damage are too deeply tied to one easily neutered characteristic (by 80+ champs or nodes) - his armor.
That every champion in the game. Y'all acting like iDoom is the only champ that has counters.
The number of counters isn't the issue - it's how neutered he becomes from these counters. For example Domino has few counters that makes her a noodle. Same with Rintrah as another example. When iDoom is countered he gets countered hard.
That still doesn't matter though. Look at any top tier science champ - quicksilver, scorpion, spidey99. Take them into any debuff immune match and see how it goes for you. It won't, because they are absolutely terrible champs without debuffs. Don't see people complaining about how bad they are do you?
If your reasoning for a champ being bad is because it doesn't do well in unfavorable matchups, I'm sorry but you don't have an argument. Simply don't bring them to the match up.
I've made this complaint before. His 100% reliance on his armor in a game where half the champs can nullify or armor break you is a big design flaw imo. Mystics should not be able to counter him so easily. He should've been made nullify immune like Omega sentinel, or still retain his armor when nullified in that weird way Nimrod does when armor broken. He is very much in the tier below those two.
Don’t use him against mystics…easy…
Don't use him vs mystics, don't use him vs cosmics - easy peasy. None of that changes the fact he is very limited and the main reason I ranked him as prestige not dame or utility. His utility and damage are too deeply tied to one easily neutered characteristic (by 80+ champs or nodes) - his armor.
That every champion in the game. Y'all acting like iDoom is the only champ that has counters.
The number of counters isn't the issue - it's how neutered he becomes from these counters. For example Domino has few counters that makes her a noodle. Same with Rintrah as another example. When iDoom is countered he gets countered hard.
That still doesn't matter though. Look at any top tier science champ - quicksilver, scorpion, spidey99. Take them into any debuff immune match and see how it goes for you. It won't, because they are absolutely terrible champs without debuffs. Don't see people complaining about how bad they are do you?
If your reasoning for a champ being bad is because it doesn't do well in unfavorable matchups, I'm sorry but you don't have an argument. Simply don't bring them to the match up.
Please Quicksilver, really I mean i regret not taking him to r4 which I did for Idoom. Lol I should clap for amazing counter to my argument.
How many champions do you think are immune to debuffs? What is this stupid argument buddy.
I mean have to even played enough with Idoom or it is a side niche character for you or like a trophy champ. Do you see any of us complaining about any other champions. Scratch that, I have never complained about any character till now.
Idoom just isn't good value - he is suppose to be a tank but becomes a potato champion so easily. Can't carry him being sure if his immunity will stick with us for a quest. Does other champions lose there special attack value and basic attack value like him.
How many champions get countered by more than one class in MCOC?
The comparison you make to justify makes no sense. I am a fan of it's character design and attack animation, and even gameplay is cool. But to give him handycap accross so many situations.
You always have to play with a handycap with IDoom, which most characters doesn't fall under same bracket. And if you are skilled enough just dodge each and every scenario and still win. Then I don't see what value this characters add, very weak argument bro cause even characters in bottom tier can do the same and even they don't get countered so much.
He's ****, gives nothing except for Bishop (that i kill with human Torch) nd nothing, so many nodes that make him sissy, so many championships that can walk over him , meme tier nd nothing, i regret to take him to r3. could be used in rol only except for Wolverine, see still useless
Seems to me that you just don't know how to use him properly
I do know, I used every rotation, did Alot, but that even matter if Hulkbuster use sp1 even if i bait it ?? Is it even matter if it's crumbling armor node , or fighting against surfer ,he just charge and release heavy, or is it matter fighting against any nullify or armor break champ ??? If you got any way around those plz do tell me 🙂
Yeah it's very simple: don't bring him into those match-ups. You argue that he sucks and then bring him into a match-up where he's at a disadvantage. No one to blame but yourself.
So we can't bring him up in almost 60% fights/nodes/champs 🤣🤣🤣 wow what a GOD tier 🤣🤣🤣🤣
First of all, that is a terrible estimation.
There are 5 nodes that place an unavoidable (in most cases) armor break on you afaik: Crumbling Armor, Fissure, Fractured Guard, Rust and Ruin, and Special Burst Lockdown. These are incredibly rare in-game. Crumbling Armor is almost exclusively placed in Havok fights nowadays. Special Burst Lockdown can be found in AW and AQ but you have 10 players in the same BG with 3 champions each. I'm sure someone else can take that fight for you. The other 3 are almost exclusive to story content, and even then it's incredibly rare to find them. If you do, it's only a lane. You can potentially use IDoom for the other 5 lanes.
Armor break champions. Like I mentioned before, this is an ability usually found in cosmic champions. Why would you ever bring a tech champion to a fight with class disadvantage? That's just an incredibly stupid idea. Given the nature of class relationships, many cosmic champions are immune or resistant to the common Tech abilities. Even then, you can still make IDoom work against some of them.
Nullify/Stagger/Fate Seal champions. Stagger won't affect IDoom so that's not an issue. You have around 8 mystic champions that can nullify/fate seal you while hitting them or it's just outright unavoidable. Not really a lot in a game with 246 characters. Then you have nodes like Buffet, Power Snack and Buffet over time. You can play around those by taking advantage of the dexterity buff. Not an issue. Only Tranquility can really mess him up.
And then you mentioned Hulkbuster. You should fight him almost exclusively with a cosmic champion due to his OAAR for every armor up on him. Shock immune champions aren't an issue when take into account the Peni Parker synergy.
So in total we have 45 cosmic champions (you shouldn't be taking these fights with tech champ in the first place), and 8 unavoidable nullifiers. That makes a grand total of 53 in a game with 246 champions which comes out to 21.5%. Now taking into account how often Tranquility, Crumbling Armor, Fissure, Fractured Guard, Rust and Ruin, and Special Burst Lockdown appear in meaningful content where you would want to take with IDoom, I'd say that it doesn't even get close to representing 30% of the match-ups in the entire game.
All in all your argument as to why IDoom sucks is still bad. Stop trying to bring champions into match-ups that aren't designed for them. It's just stupid. Furthermore, a champion doesn't need to be able to clear every single piece of content in the game to be considered good. In fact, it's better when champions aren't able to do that. Adds more variety to the game
When you are to hellbent on proving a point, you don't really see things with open mind.
1. There are 80+ champions with armour break 2. 32 champs with nullify, mostly mystic 3. You didn't consider the most common node an path, the attackers buff gets nullify to gain defender power, attacker buffs nullify to gain defender health. 4. You didn't even include shock immune champions 5. Then there are specialist with purify in them, you can't place any debuffs and many others as suchit listing all
Biggest issue with above point hie easily you assume just 1 path is an issue when above so many defends can be on different paths as well.
Let's be objective with data here. 60% is pretty good assumption to start with I would say.
1. Many of those 80 champs with armor break have a way to avoid it. 2. From the 32 champs with nullify, only a few have an unavoidable nullify effect when striking them 3. I did consider those nodes and like I said, you can play around them with your dexterity buff 4. I didn't include them because you have the Peni synergy for that, and even if I included them they aren't that many as someone already pointed out earlier in the thread. Plus there is some overlap between the champs with armor break and the champs with nullify, giving you a lower percentage of fights that he cannot take 5. The only purify that would actively work against you is a max sig Crossbones due to the 90% chance. Every one else has a lower chance and thus they fail more often. 6. Ok so defenders can be placed in multiple paths. You still don't get the fact that you don't have to solo an entire path with him. It's not often that you find a path that can be soloed by a single champion. Usually it's just in EQ and even then, Kabam has been mixing up the defenders so that you use multiple attackers.
So no, your 60% assumption is still way off
With all those restrictions and limitation any champ can shine , sorry any medicore champ can shine , if you gonna choose matchup look for nodes and than need synergy too , any shity champ can do that Even Black bolt can do that than . I'm saying if you want to do it just put him jn C tier that's it.
Obviously you and OP only want to hate on the champion. The point is that you're making him out to be way worse than he is. C tier? Not even close, he's way better than that. If you don't want to use the champion then don't use him. Nobody is forcing you to do it. Adaptability is a big component of the game. The inability to play around specific nodes or champion abilities with IDoom when it is completely feasible to do so is just a skill issue on your end.
Do we even need Idoom if it's only about skill, I mean with skill issue, characters don't even need buffs which people are asking or not using. I mean if you are that skilled then it doesn't even matter what champ you play. Because I am sure you are clearing all content with even groot.
I disliked idoom when I first played with him but when i got a 6* and duped him, i went for r3.
Admittedly, its not been long and he has disappointed as a defender but exceeded expectation as an attacker. I use him on aq map 5, incursions threat 5 and 6 and thronebreaker eq. I do use him as secondary attacker because my Nimrod is still my primary but idoom covers a lot of the gaps in Nimrod's kit and both together are a potent combo.
Not top tier but definitely disagree with the statement that r2 omega sentinel is better.i have her as r3 too and still prefer idoom. He provided differentiation to my roster but wont ever be my primary tech ( neither will OS).
I've made this complaint before. His 100% reliance on his armor in a game where half the champs can nullify or armor break you is a big design flaw imo. Mystics should not be able to counter him so easily. He should've been made nullify immune like Omega sentinel, or still retain his armor when nullified in that weird way Nimrod does when armor broken. He is very much in the tier below those two.
Don’t use him against mystics…easy…
Don't use him vs mystics, don't use him vs cosmics - easy peasy. None of that changes the fact he is very limited and the main reason I ranked him as prestige not dame or utility. His utility and damage are too deeply tied to one easily neutered characteristic (by 80+ champs or nodes) - his armor.
That every champion in the game. Y'all acting like iDoom is the only champ that has counters.
The number of counters isn't the issue - it's how neutered he becomes from these counters. For example Domino has few counters that makes her a noodle. Same with Rintrah as another example. When iDoom is countered he gets countered hard.
That still doesn't matter though. Look at any top tier science champ - quicksilver, scorpion, spidey99. Take them into any debuff immune match and see how it goes for you. It won't, because they are absolutely terrible champs without debuffs. Don't see people complaining about how bad they are do you?
If your reasoning for a champ being bad is because it doesn't do well in unfavorable matchups, I'm sorry but you don't have an argument. Simply don't bring them to the match up.
Probably you should read comments better - I said he is too easily neutered by too many champs and nodes. Debuff immunity is one situation/node/context that will punish your examples. That's far less unfavourable situations than iDoom is subjected to because of how they designed him. He is also unfavourable in debuff immune matchups..plus nullify, power snakc, armor break. Big difference. I then pointed out a lot of his counters do so hard.
So yes I do have an argument, and it does matter, because my argument isn't simply that he does poorly in unfavourable situations as you are trying to make out, but that he is also subject to too many unfavourable situations.
If it was one or the other then he would be much better - plenty counters (currently a majority of 2 classes and several nodes), but his damage and utility aren't neutered to the ground fine. Few counters which neuter him hard but not many of them around - fine. He's experiencing plenty of both.
He is quite balanced. Not as OP as doom, but great at what he does. He fills a hole in the roster, but not enough that it hurts your roster if you dont have him. Perfectly balanced.
Probably you should read comments better - I said he is too easily neutered by too many champs and nodes. Debuff immunity is one situation/node/context that will punish your examples. That's far less unfavourable situations than iDoom is subjected to because of how they designed him. He is also unfavourable in debuff immune matchups..plus nullify, power snakc, armor break. Big difference. I then pointed out a lot of his counters do so hard.
So yes I do have an argument, and it does matter, because my argument isn't simply that he does poorly in unfavourable situations as you are trying to make out, but that he is also subject to too many unfavourable situations.
If it was one or the other then he would be much better - plenty counters (currently a majority of 2 classes and several nodes), but his damage and utility aren't neutered to the ground fine. Few counters which neuter him hard but not many of them around - fine. He's experiencing plenty of both.
And the reason why he should have fewer counters is.....?
The only reason players have is because he is a Doom and people want Doom to be good. If Infamous Doom had instead been released as "Guardian 2099", players would initially complain about his Aura being turned off too easily, but then never use him outside of specific matchups. But the fact that this champion is a version of Doom, players want him to be something, and something they can use all over the place. But that is not a valid reason, it is just a desire.
A point I made previously is that Guardian has similar counters. Shock immune and debuff immune decrease his damage. Armor break, nullify, power snack all remove his damage output and utility. Guardian can still go through with those fights that counter him, but it would be better to take a different champion in as opposed to wishing that Guardian could handle those fights better. But because he is not "Guardian Doom", players aren't complaining about him needing fewer counters.
I've made this complaint before. His 100% reliance on his armor in a game where half the champs can nullify or armor break you is a big design flaw imo. Mystics should not be able to counter him so easily. He should've been made nullify immune like Omega sentinel, or still retain his armor when nullified in that weird way Nimrod does when armor broken. He is very much in the tier below those two.
Don’t use him against mystics…easy…
Don't use him vs mystics, don't use him vs cosmics - easy peasy. None of that changes the fact he is very limited and the main reason I ranked him as prestige not dame or utility. His utility and damage are too deeply tied to one easily neutered characteristic (by 80+ champs or nodes) - his armor.
That every champion in the game. Y'all acting like iDoom is the only champ that has counters.
The number of counters isn't the issue - it's how neutered he becomes from these counters. For example Domino has few counters that makes her a noodle. Same with Rintrah as another example. When iDoom is countered he gets countered hard.
That still doesn't matter though. Look at any top tier science champ - quicksilver, scorpion, spidey99. Take them into any debuff immune match and see how it goes for you. It won't, because they are absolutely terrible champs without debuffs. Don't see people complaining about how bad they are do you?
If your reasoning for a champ being bad is because it doesn't do well in unfavorable matchups, I'm sorry but you don't have an argument. Simply don't bring them to the match up.
Probably you should read comments better - I said he is too easily neutered by too many champs and nodes. Debuff immunity is one situation/node/context that will punish your examples. That's far less unfavourable situations than iDoom is subjected to because of how they designed him. He is also unfavourable in debuff immune matchups..plus nullify, power snakc, armor break. Big difference. I then pointed out a lot of his counters do so hard.
So yes I do have an argument, and it does matter, because my argument isn't simply that he does poorly in unfavourable situations as you are trying to make out, but that he is also subject to too many unfavourable situations.
If it was one or the other then he would be much better - plenty counters (currently a majority of 2 classes and several nodes), but his damage and utility aren't neutered to the ground fine. Few counters which neuter him hard but not many of them around - fine. He's experiencing plenty of both.
I should read comments better? You verbatim said "The number of counters isn't the issue" it's literally quoted in my response. But now it's "too many champs and nodes" huh?
I was specifically responding to why saying it's how bad he gets neutered by nodes, which is why using specific nodes like debuff immune is fine. You don't get to change what you meant because I responded a certain way. I'm not "trying to make out" anything, you said what you said.
I've made this complaint before. His 100% reliance on his armor in a game where half the champs can nullify or armor break you is a big design flaw imo. Mystics should not be able to counter him so easily. He should've been made nullify immune like Omega sentinel, or still retain his armor when nullified in that weird way Nimrod does when armor broken. He is very much in the tier below those two.
Don’t use him against mystics…easy…
Don't use him vs mystics, don't use him vs cosmics - easy peasy. None of that changes the fact he is very limited and the main reason I ranked him as prestige not dame or utility. His utility and damage are too deeply tied to one easily neutered characteristic (by 80+ champs or nodes) - his armor.
That every champion in the game. Y'all acting like iDoom is the only champ that has counters.
The number of counters isn't the issue - it's how neutered he becomes from these counters. For example Domino has few counters that makes her a noodle. Same with Rintrah as another example. When iDoom is countered he gets countered hard.
That still doesn't matter though. Look at any top tier science champ - quicksilver, scorpion, spidey99. Take them into any debuff immune match and see how it goes for you. It won't, because they are absolutely terrible champs without debuffs. Don't see people complaining about how bad they are do you?
If your reasoning for a champ being bad is because it doesn't do well in unfavorable matchups, I'm sorry but you don't have an argument. Simply don't bring them to the match up.
Please Quicksilver, really I mean i regret not taking him to r4 which I did for Idoom. Lol I should clap for amazing counter to my argument.
How many champions do you think are immune to debuffs? What is this stupid argument buddy.
I mean have to even played enough with Idoom or it is a side niche character for you or like a trophy champ. Do you see any of us complaining about any other champions. Scratch that, I have never complained about any character till now.
Idoom just isn't good value - he is suppose to be a tank but becomes a potato champion so easily. Can't carry him being sure if his immunity will stick with us for a quest. Does other champions lose there special attack value and basic attack value like him.
How many champions get countered by more than one class in MCOC?
The comparison you make to justify makes no sense. I am a fan of it's character design and attack animation, and even gameplay is cool. But to give him handycap accross so many situations.
You always have to play with a handycap with IDoom, which most characters doesn't fall under same bracket. And if you are skilled enough just dodge each and every scenario and still win. Then I don't see what value this characters add, very weak argument bro cause even characters in bottom tier can do the same and even they don't get countered so much.
1. I agree quicksilver isn't top of the top, but he is easily considered top 10 science, like people are arguing iDoom is top 10 in tech, so it's a perfectly valid champion. The fact that you have to focus solely on that specific bit of my comment is telling. 2. My argument for debuff immune was specifically in the context of someone saying it does not matter how many counters he has, just how countered he gets by them. 3. I have already told you in previous responses I have a R4 sig 200 iDoom that I use all of the time. 4. "Do you see any of us complaining about any other champions" in this thread no, what does that have to do with anything? 5. "Can't carry him being sure if his immunity will stick with us for a quest" believe it or not there's this neat thing you can do where you scout out a path on a quest to see if the champs you plan on taking might get countered during your quest. So yes, you can carry him and know if he'll be usable in it. I can assure you there are plenty of quests in the game where he can do 5-6 of the 6 fights on a path.
You keep arguing the same thing - that he isn't a good enough champ because he can't be brought into every scenario. Like dude, I can go back and see responses you've had that say "CGR without buffs is better than him." As if CGR without buffs does literally anything. You're purely biased towards wanting him to be this absolute god tier champ because you "main him", which he just isn't. People have already agreed with that. But that doesn't make him a bad champ and he's not going to get buffed because one or two people main him and think a few counters need to change.
How about go respond to calling out your random out of context points of 80 armor breaks or 32 nullifies or whatever. Or does that argument break down too when you take bias out of the equation? Dodging something like a defender armor break mechanic or buffet node isn't some super skillful thing. It's a base level of skill in this game and if your argument is that you should be able to avoid things that simple that I'm sorry, you just need to get better.
He's ****, gives nothing except for Bishop (that i kill with human Torch) nd nothing, so many nodes that make him sissy, so many championships that can walk over him , meme tier nd nothing, i regret to take him to r3. could be used in rol only except for Wolverine, see still useless
Seems to me that you just don't know how to use him properly
I do know, I used every rotation, did Alot, but that even matter if Hulkbuster use sp1 even if i bait it ?? Is it even matter if it's crumbling armor node , or fighting against surfer ,he just charge and release heavy, or is it matter fighting against any nullify or armor break champ ??? If you got any way around those plz do tell me 🙂
Yeah it's very simple: don't bring him into those match-ups. You argue that he sucks and then bring him into a match-up where he's at a disadvantage. No one to blame but yourself.
So we can't bring him up in almost 60% fights/nodes/champs 🤣🤣🤣 wow what a GOD tier 🤣🤣🤣🤣
First of all, that is a terrible estimation.
There are 5 nodes that place an unavoidable (in most cases) armor break on you afaik: Crumbling Armor, Fissure, Fractured Guard, Rust and Ruin, and Special Burst Lockdown. These are incredibly rare in-game. Crumbling Armor is almost exclusively placed in Havok fights nowadays. Special Burst Lockdown can be found in AW and AQ but you have 10 players in the same BG with 3 champions each. I'm sure someone else can take that fight for you. The other 3 are almost exclusive to story content, and even then it's incredibly rare to find them. If you do, it's only a lane. You can potentially use IDoom for the other 5 lanes.
Armor break champions. Like I mentioned before, this is an ability usually found in cosmic champions. Why would you ever bring a tech champion to a fight with class disadvantage? That's just an incredibly stupid idea. Given the nature of class relationships, many cosmic champions are immune or resistant to the common Tech abilities. Even then, you can still make IDoom work against some of them.
Nullify/Stagger/Fate Seal champions. Stagger won't affect IDoom so that's not an issue. You have around 8 mystic champions that can nullify/fate seal you while hitting them or it's just outright unavoidable. Not really a lot in a game with 246 characters. Then you have nodes like Buffet, Power Snack and Buffet over time. You can play around those by taking advantage of the dexterity buff. Not an issue. Only Tranquility can really mess him up.
And then you mentioned Hulkbuster. You should fight him almost exclusively with a cosmic champion due to his OAAR for every armor up on him. Shock immune champions aren't an issue when take into account the Peni Parker synergy.
So in total we have 45 cosmic champions (you shouldn't be taking these fights with tech champ in the first place), and 8 unavoidable nullifiers. That makes a grand total of 53 in a game with 246 champions which comes out to 21.5%. Now taking into account how often Tranquility, Crumbling Armor, Fissure, Fractured Guard, Rust and Ruin, and Special Burst Lockdown appear in meaningful content where you would want to take with IDoom, I'd say that it doesn't even get close to representing 30% of the match-ups in the entire game.
All in all your argument as to why IDoom sucks is still bad. Stop trying to bring champions into match-ups that aren't designed for them. It's just stupid. Furthermore, a champion doesn't need to be able to clear every single piece of content in the game to be considered good. In fact, it's better when champions aren't able to do that. Adds more variety to the game
When you are to hellbent on proving a point, you don't really see things with open mind.
1. There are 80+ champions with armour break 2. 32 champs with nullify, mostly mystic 3. You didn't consider the most common node an path, the attackers buff gets nullify to gain defender power, attacker buffs nullify to gain defender health. 4. You didn't even include shock immune champions 5. Then there are specialist with purify in them, you can't place any debuffs and many others as suchit listing all
Biggest issue with above point hie easily you assume just 1 path is an issue when above so many defends can be on different paths as well.
Let's be objective with data here. 60% is pretty good assumption to start with I would say.
1. Many of those 80 champs with armor break have a way to avoid it. 2. From the 32 champs with nullify, only a few have an unavoidable nullify effect when striking them 3. I did consider those nodes and like I said, you can play around them with your dexterity buff 4. I didn't include them because you have the Peni synergy for that, and even if I included them they aren't that many as someone already pointed out earlier in the thread. Plus there is some overlap between the champs with armor break and the champs with nullify, giving you a lower percentage of fights that he cannot take 5. The only purify that would actively work against you is a max sig Crossbones due to the 90% chance. Every one else has a lower chance and thus they fail more often. 6. Ok so defenders can be placed in multiple paths. You still don't get the fact that you don't have to solo an entire path with him. It's not often that you find a path that can be soloed by a single champion. Usually it's just in EQ and even then, Kabam has been mixing up the defenders so that you use multiple attackers.
So no, your 60% assumption is still way off
With all those restrictions and limitation any champ can shine , sorry any medicore champ can shine , if you gonna choose matchup look for nodes and than need synergy too , any shity champ can do that Even Black bolt can do that than . I'm saying if you want to do it just put him jn C tier that's it.
Obviously you and OP only want to hate on the champion. The point is that you're making him out to be way worse than he is. C tier? Not even close, he's way better than that. If you don't want to use the champion then don't use him. Nobody is forcing you to do it. Adaptability is a big component of the game. The inability to play around specific nodes or champion abilities with IDoom when it is completely feasible to do so is just a skill issue on your end.
Do we even need Idoom if it's only about skill, I mean with skill issue, characters don't even need buffs which people are asking or not using. I mean if you are that skilled then it doesn't even matter what champ you play. Because I am sure you are clearing all content with even groot.
Alright I didn't realize you had this response. Your argument here truly is that you aren't good enough to play around nodes like buffet and being able to do so makes you some top-of-the-top player. These are very basic nodes you're talking about man, if you can't deal with this then I'm sorry, there isn't much more to argue with you.
iDoom takes so many of the fights you're talking about with minimal effort on your part to bypass the counter mechanic. You saying he isn't a good champ because you don't get to just run in and brute force through any mechanic is just.. bad. You can say that about so many of the "good" champs in the game. MAYBE herc can do what you're wanting, but even that's a stretch. You legitimately just need to get better at the game.
I've made this complaint before. His 100% reliance on his armor in a game where half the champs can nullify or armor break you is a big design flaw imo. Mystics should not be able to counter him so easily. He should've been made nullify immune like Omega sentinel, or still retain his armor when nullified in that weird way Nimrod does when armor broken. He is very much in the tier below those two.
Don’t use him against mystics…easy…
Don't use him vs mystics, don't use him vs cosmics - easy peasy. None of that changes the fact he is very limited and the main reason I ranked him as prestige not dame or utility. His utility and damage are too deeply tied to one easily neutered characteristic (by 80+ champs or nodes) - his armor.
That every champion in the game. Y'all acting like iDoom is the only champ that has counters.
The number of counters isn't the issue - it's how neutered he becomes from these counters. For example Domino has few counters that makes her a noodle. Same with Rintrah as another example. When iDoom is countered he gets countered hard.
That still doesn't matter though. Look at any top tier science champ - quicksilver, scorpion, spidey99. Take them into any debuff immune match and see how it goes for you. It won't, because they are absolutely terrible champs without debuffs. Don't see people complaining about how bad they are do you?
If your reasoning for a champ being bad is because it doesn't do well in unfavorable matchups, I'm sorry but you don't have an argument. Simply don't bring them to the match up.
Probably you should read comments better - I said he is too easily neutered by too many champs and nodes. Debuff immunity is one situation/node/context that will punish your examples. That's far less unfavourable situations than iDoom is subjected to because of how they designed him. He is also unfavourable in debuff immune matchups..plus nullify, power snakc, armor break. Big difference. I then pointed out a lot of his counters do so hard.
So yes I do have an argument, and it does matter, because my argument isn't simply that he does poorly in unfavourable situations as you are trying to make out, but that he is also subject to too many unfavourable situations.
If it was one or the other then he would be much better - plenty counters (currently a majority of 2 classes and several nodes), but his damage and utility aren't neutered to the ground fine. Few counters which neuter him hard but not many of them around - fine. He's experiencing plenty of both.
I should read comments better? You verbatim said "The number of counters isn't the issue" it's literally quoted in my response. But now it's "too many champs and nodes" huh?
I was specifically responding to why saying it's how bad he gets neutered by nodes, which is why using specific nodes like debuff immune is fine. You don't get to change what you meant because I responded a certain way. I'm not "trying to make out" anything, you said what you said.
I made several comments here over several days, that cover several aspects of why i think idoom isn't as good as he could be vs saying he is bad. Again I never said he was "bad" as you stated. If you are responding to me in a thread you should read them all and not pick the one you want to counter the most. You day you are responding to a specific point, yet try to make it as if that's my only argument. I didn't change what i meant, you just picked on 1 of the arguments I've put forth as to why he isn't as good as he could or how i personally feel he should be.
The first statement was that he had too many counters in both cosmic and mystic classes when ideally a class should be counted by one class and then a free exceptions outside of that.
The second was the proliferation of nodesb that counter him especially in game nudes like aw.
The third was that the counters that so affect him, do so more than they would others with the same type of weakness (ie hit hard).
It had nothing to do with him being a doom.. Again you are projecting. It simply had to do with the fact that so much of his kit is tied to this one characteristic.
You mention guardian but i personally wasn't comparing them. I also think guardian is very limited outside of your average fight vs mutants for every similar reasons, though less of his utility is tied to his armor compared to iDoom (eg parrying non contact, power drain are still there with force field charges) there's still a lot that depends on it.
I was commenting on idoom's merits and faults by himself.. We could compare him to iron Patriot too if you like!
Infamous doom loses both his immunities, abs energy resistance, and his ability to use his aura without his armor up. He also loses his power burn which is what his entire kit is based off for damage. He also loses his regen (aside from the once under 15% one).
Guardian loses less without his armor up as he still has force field charges.
I've made this complaint before. His 100% reliance on his armor in a game where half the champs can nullify or armor break you is a big design flaw imo. Mystics should not be able to counter him so easily. He should've been made nullify immune like Omega sentinel, or still retain his armor when nullified in that weird way Nimrod does when armor broken. He is very much in the tier below those two.
Don’t use him against mystics…easy…
Don't use him vs mystics, don't use him vs cosmics - easy peasy. None of that changes the fact he is very limited and the main reason I ranked him as prestige not dame or utility. His utility and damage are too deeply tied to one easily neutered characteristic (by 80+ champs or nodes) - his armor.
That every champion in the game. Y'all acting like iDoom is the only champ that has counters.
The number of counters isn't the issue - it's how neutered he becomes from these counters. For example Domino has few counters that makes her a noodle. Same with Rintrah as another example. When iDoom is countered he gets countered hard.
That still doesn't matter though. Look at any top tier science champ - quicksilver, scorpion, spidey99. Take them into any debuff immune match and see how it goes for you. It won't, because they are absolutely terrible champs without debuffs. Don't see people complaining about how bad they are do you?
If your reasoning for a champ being bad is because it doesn't do well in unfavorable matchups, I'm sorry but you don't have an argument. Simply don't bring them to the match up.
Probably you should read comments better - I said he is too easily neutered by too many champs and nodes. Debuff immunity is one situation/node/context that will punish your examples. That's far less unfavourable situations than iDoom is subjected to because of how they designed him. He is also unfavourable in debuff immune matchups..plus nullify, power snakc, armor break. Big difference. I then pointed out a lot of his counters do so hard.
So yes I do have an argument, and it does matter, because my argument isn't simply that he does poorly in unfavourable situations as you are trying to make out, but that he is also subject to too many unfavourable situations.
If it was one or the other then he would be much better - plenty counters (currently a majority of 2 classes and several nodes), but his damage and utility aren't neutered to the ground fine. Few counters which neuter him hard but not many of them around - fine. He's experiencing plenty of both.
I should read comments better? You verbatim said "The number of counters isn't the issue" it's literally quoted in my response. But now it's "too many champs and nodes" huh?
I was specifically responding to why saying it's how bad he gets neutered by nodes, which is why using specific nodes like debuff immune is fine. You don't get to change what you meant because I responded a certain way. I'm not "trying to make out" anything, you said what you said.
I made several comments here over several days, that cover several aspects of why i think idoom isn't as good as he could be vs saying he is bad. Again I never said he was "bad" as you stated. If you are responding to me in a thread you should read them all and not pick the one you want to counter the most. You day you are responding to a specific point, yet try to make it as if that's my only argument. I didn't change what i meant, you just picked on 1 of the arguments I've put forth as to why he isn't as good as he could or how i personally feel he should be.
The first statement was that he had too many counters in both cosmic and mystic classes when ideally a class should be counted by one class and then a free exceptions outside of that.
The second was the proliferation of nodesb that counter him especially in game nudes like aw.
The third was that the counters that so affect him, do so more than they would others with the same type of weakness (ie hit hard).
It had nothing to do with him being a doom.. Again you are projecting. It simply had to do with the fact that so much of his kit is tied to this one characteristic.
You mention guardian but i personally wasn't comparing them. I also think guardian is very limited outside of your average fight vs mutants for every similar reasons, though less of his utility is tied to his armor compared to iDoom (eg parrying non contact, power drain are still there with force field charges) there's still a lot that depends on it.
I was commenting on idoom's merits and faults by himself.. We could compare him to iron Patriot too if you like!
Infamous doom loses both his immunities, abs energy resistance, and his ability to use his aura without his armor up. He also loses his power burn which is what his entire kit is based off for damage. He also loses his regen (aside from the once under 15% one).
Guardian loses less without his armor up as he still has force field charges.
I have literally not mentioned guardian a single time in this thread - are you sure you're not the one that needs to read better?
You make some relatively valid points, I've already argued most of these so at this point I really don't have it in me. But I was very clearly responding to a specific response you had, so maybe actually take that into account before calling someone out for not reading.
I don't think there is much more to discuss here that hasn't already been said.
IDoom isn't that good, but he is really good at what he does. I have taken him in war everytime there are mutants on my path , even where the node is nullify and he gets one shots in Tier 4/5 wars. He is different from Nimrod as in iDoom can take down some mutants much easily and reduces special damage.
He is definitely a top 5 tech champ.
Having said that , he is not r4 material, not yet anyways when the resources are scarce. IMO, OP is regretting his decision to r4 him and it is natural to feel disappointed when the champ isn't more than or equal to what he expected.
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2. From the 32 champs with nullify, only a few have an unavoidable nullify effect when striking them
3. I did consider those nodes and like I said, you can play around them with your dexterity buff
4. I didn't include them because you have the Peni synergy for that, and even if I included them they aren't that many as someone already pointed out earlier in the thread. Plus there is some overlap between the champs with armor break and the champs with nullify, giving you a lower percentage of fights that he cannot take
5. The only purify that would actively work against you is a max sig Crossbones due to the 90% chance. Every one else has a lower chance and thus they fail more often.
6. Ok so defenders can be placed in multiple paths. You still don't get the fact that you don't have to solo an entire path with him. It's not often that you find a path that can be soloed by a single champion. Usually it's just in EQ and even then, Kabam has been mixing up the defenders so that you use multiple attackers.
So no, your 60% assumption is still way off
"You didn't consider the most common node an path, the attackers buff gets nullify to gain defender power, attacker buffs nullify to gain defender health." These are extremely easy to play around as iDoom. You lose your first armor buff, then you just eat the nullify with dexterity before your next armor up. Again, trying to make an argument out of nothing.
"You didn't even include shock immune champions" he didn't have to, Peni Parker synergy exists.
"Then there are specialist with purify in them, you can't place any debuffs and many others as suchit listing all" Don't take a debuff heavy champ into these matchups?
I find it absolutely hilarious that you've spend this entire discussion post slamming extremely biased takes, then you have the audacity to say "When you are to hellbent on proving a point, you don't really see things with open mind." to someone. Where exactly is your open mind with the numerous people that have given you solid points as to why he's good, and your responses against that consistently have only disagrees and VERY FEW agrees?
Idoom too reliant on Armor buff ,same issue with ghost armor break and no more phasing 🤦 but her armor nullify or remove is ok just don't get armor break, he's damn good for prestige and show off , might some find hard to kill him but for me he's over hyped. That's all . No hate to any champ except for Groot 🤣🤣🤣
Without armor what are his uses plz do share with us 🙂
Leave armor , debuff imunity node or shock imunity champs what he offere?? Without penny synergy just stand alone champ?..
Most of you ranked.up iDoom because of his prestige, and now you cry that he is not as good as Doom... a bunch of cry.babies
If your reasoning for a champ being bad is because it doesn't do well in unfavorable matchups, I'm sorry but you don't have an argument. Simply don't bring them to the match up.
How many champions do you think are immune to debuffs? What is this stupid argument buddy.
I mean have to even played enough with Idoom or it is a side niche character for you or like a trophy champ. Do you see any of us complaining about any other champions. Scratch that, I have never complained about any character till now.
Idoom just isn't good value - he is suppose to be a tank but becomes a potato champion so easily. Can't carry him being sure if his immunity will stick with us for a quest. Does other champions lose there special attack value and basic attack value like him.
How many champions get countered by more than one class in MCOC?
The comparison you make to justify makes no sense. I am a fan of it's character design and attack animation, and even gameplay is cool. But to give him handycap accross so many situations.
You always have to play with a handycap with IDoom, which most characters doesn't fall under same bracket. And if you are skilled enough just dodge each and every scenario and still win. Then I don't see what value this characters add, very weak argument bro cause even characters in bottom tier can do the same and even they don't get countered so much.
Admittedly, its not been long and he has disappointed as a defender but exceeded expectation as an attacker. I use him on aq map 5, incursions threat 5 and 6 and thronebreaker eq. I do use him as secondary attacker because my Nimrod is still my primary but idoom covers a lot of the gaps in Nimrod's kit and both together are a potent combo.
Not top tier but definitely disagree with the statement that r2 omega sentinel is better.i have her as r3 too and still prefer idoom. He provided differentiation to my roster but wont ever be my primary tech ( neither will OS).
So yes I do have an argument, and it does matter, because my argument isn't simply that he does poorly in unfavourable situations as you are trying to make out, but that he is also subject to too many unfavourable situations.
If it was one or the other then he would be much better - plenty counters (currently a majority of 2 classes and several nodes), but his damage and utility aren't neutered to the ground fine. Few counters which neuter him hard but not many of them around - fine. He's experiencing plenty of both.
The only reason players have is because he is a Doom and people want Doom to be good. If Infamous Doom had instead been released as "Guardian 2099", players would initially complain about his Aura being turned off too easily, but then never use him outside of specific matchups. But the fact that this champion is a version of Doom, players want him to be something, and something they can use all over the place. But that is not a valid reason, it is just a desire.
A point I made previously is that Guardian has similar counters. Shock immune and debuff immune decrease his damage. Armor break, nullify, power snack all remove his damage output and utility. Guardian can still go through with those fights that counter him, but it would be better to take a different champion in as opposed to wishing that Guardian could handle those fights better. But because he is not "Guardian Doom", players aren't complaining about him needing fewer counters.
I was specifically responding to why saying it's how bad he gets neutered by nodes, which is why using specific nodes like debuff immune is fine. You don't get to change what you meant because I responded a certain way. I'm not "trying to make out" anything, you said what you said.
2. My argument for debuff immune was specifically in the context of someone saying it does not matter how many counters he has, just how countered he gets by them.
3. I have already told you in previous responses I have a R4 sig 200 iDoom that I use all of the time.
4. "Do you see any of us complaining about any other champions" in this thread no, what does that have to do with anything?
5. "Can't carry him being sure if his immunity will stick with us for a quest" believe it or not there's this neat thing you can do where you scout out a path on a quest to see if the champs you plan on taking might get countered during your quest. So yes, you can carry him and know if he'll be usable in it. I can assure you there are plenty of quests in the game where he can do 5-6 of the 6 fights on a path.
You keep arguing the same thing - that he isn't a good enough champ because he can't be brought into every scenario. Like dude, I can go back and see responses you've had that say "CGR without buffs is better than him." As if CGR without buffs does literally anything. You're purely biased towards wanting him to be this absolute god tier champ because you "main him", which he just isn't. People have already agreed with that. But that doesn't make him a bad champ and he's not going to get buffed because one or two people main him and think a few counters need to change.
How about go respond to calling out your random out of context points of 80 armor breaks or 32 nullifies or whatever. Or does that argument break down too when you take bias out of the equation? Dodging something like a defender armor break mechanic or buffet node isn't some super skillful thing. It's a base level of skill in this game and if your argument is that you should be able to avoid things that simple that I'm sorry, you just need to get better.
iDoom takes so many of the fights you're talking about with minimal effort on your part to bypass the counter mechanic. You saying he isn't a good champ because you don't get to just run in and brute force through any mechanic is just.. bad. You can say that about so many of the "good" champs in the game. MAYBE herc can do what you're wanting, but even that's a stretch. You legitimately just need to get better at the game.
The first statement was that he had too many counters in both cosmic and mystic classes when ideally a class should be counted by one class and then a free exceptions outside of that.
The second was the proliferation of nodesb that counter him especially in game nudes like aw.
The third was that the counters that so affect him, do so more than they would others with the same type of weakness (ie hit hard).
It had nothing to do with him being a doom.. Again you are projecting. It simply had to do with the fact that so much of his kit is tied to this one characteristic.
You mention guardian but i personally wasn't comparing them. I also think guardian is very limited outside of your average fight vs mutants for every similar reasons, though less of his utility is tied to his armor compared to iDoom (eg parrying non contact, power drain are still there with force field charges) there's still a lot that depends on it.
I was commenting on idoom's merits and faults by himself.. We could compare him to iron Patriot too if you like!
Infamous doom loses both his immunities, abs energy resistance, and his ability to use his aura without his armor up. He also loses his power burn which is what his entire kit is based off for damage. He also loses his regen (aside from the once under 15% one).
Guardian loses less without his armor up as he still has force field charges.
You make some relatively valid points, I've already argued most of these so at this point I really don't have it in me. But I was very clearly responding to a specific response you had, so maybe actually take that into account before calling someone out for not reading.
IDoom isn't that good, but he is really good at what he does. I have taken him in war everytime there are mutants on my path , even where the node is nullify and he gets one shots in Tier 4/5 wars.
He is different from Nimrod as in iDoom can take down some mutants much easily and reduces special damage.
He is definitely a top 5 tech champ.
Having said that , he is not r4 material, not yet anyways when the resources are scarce. IMO, OP is regretting his decision to r4 him and it is natural to feel disappointed when the champ isn't more than or equal to what he expected.