Honorable mentions: Sauron (Defensively), BWDO, Black Panther, Stealthy, and Mr Fantastic.
Kitty
Someone who actually understands the definition of "overrated".
None of the champs in the poll fall into that category. Nobody says those champs are top in the game, or top of their class or even top3 in their class. Just some nice champs that can do some stuff and in certain situations can look really good (BG meta, AW globals, Story node combos).
It isnt about who's top in their class a champion can still be hyped up and not be top in their class the champions that are top in their class are top in their class for a reason
Example: Hype has 0 utility and is rng reliant, Rintrah is way too easy to fight and gets shredded by a couple champs and is a pretty mid attacker, Claire has terrible damage for the amount of utility she has, and bishop is a mid defender and on attack he's pretty slow. And all of these champs are hypes quite a bit
Hyperion is a 2016 champ lol. He is poison immune, he has a reliable regen, power gain, and he can special intercept all day. How does he have no utility? Claire is immune to multiple things depending on need and has fantastic regen and nullify. She doesn't need huge damage. Rintrah is an amazing attacker in the right situations and makes a lot of hard fights easy. No one thinks these champs are amazing for all fights and all situations. They are properly rated.
Hype Im pretty sure you have to throw a sp3 to get regen so i wouldnt call that reliable in bg's or some aw fights and yeah he has 0 utility he cant counter miss or evade or biohazard, he dosent have aa reduction or power control he dosent have good healing, he cant counter unstoppable, or nullify buffs i can go on and on about all the things he dosent have or cant do he is really only okay in fights that dont have any fight changing nodes and even then he's far less than satisfactory because of his complete rng reliance
Claire, her utility really isnt that good and her damage is god awful. So what she can go immune to multiple things thats quite literally ALL she can do her regen sucks because its based on the amount of damage she deals and her damage sucks, her power control sucks unless they only gain power from power gain buffs and if so theres no point of using her posion curse because she would be able to nullify power gain regardless and in situations where they gain power from something other than a buff she cant cycle sp2's fast enough, and finally her fire thingy it simply dosent do enough damage, another thing is if you're doing something that requires her to be in a certain curse you're screwed because if you ever need to switch curses you cant because you'll start dying from whatever you needed the previous curse for rendering her immunites practically useless. But i will say she has one of the best nullifies in the game
Rintrah on attack he's just tanky that just about it he's nothing special not bad just average or slightly above average, second string if you will. ON defense he dosent do anything i struggle to understand why everyone is so afraid of him even the tubers with much bigger accounts than mine he has they easiest specials to dex in the game and all you have to do is knock him down and he's just a normal unremarkable cow
Lol then by your logic Dr Doom is overrated because he can't counter biohazard or Unstoppable or evade Kitty Pryde is overrated because she cannot counter champions who remove prowess and she cannot nullify buffs and is pretty bad on defense if you have tech champions or champions who punish for prowess Hercules is overrated because he cannot nullify buffs, has no immunities, isn't immune to fate seal or stagger and is pretty bad on defense
All I am implying is that you can never get a champion who counters everyone and cannot be countered by anyone Your ignorance makes you seem like an idiot even though I think you are not
Are you slow? I wasnt saying he has to have all of those abilitys i was saying hype had none of them, and it wasnt about having those abilitys specifically i was just naming random things pointing out theres alot he cant do the champs that you named can counter 90% of the game
Also doom can counter unstoppable buffs and can counter evade
Adding Claire to the list is disrespectful tbh. She is the most versatile mystic champ in the game.She can easily drop 50k+ sp2 in incinerate mode, she can bypass nullify immunity(which negates nullifying mystics) and also bypass force of will (which negates neutralise mystics). One of the few mystics who works well both with and without suicides.She has been in my deck in so many metas and can safely score 47-50k points in bgs. If anything she is underrated and I would gladly take her to r5 if I pull a mystic 4-5 gem from carinas v3(unless I pull absman)
Adding Claire to the list is disrespectful tbh. She is the most versatile mystic champ in the game.She can easily drop 50k+ sp2 in incinerate mode, she can bypass nullify immunity(which negates nullifying mystics) and also bypass force of will (which negates neutralise mystics). One of the few mystics who works well both with and without suicides.She has been in my deck in so many metas and can safely score 47-50k points in bgs. If anything she is underrated and I would gladly take her to r5 if I pull a mystic 4-5 gem from carinas v3(unless I pull absman)
She is way far from the most versatile thats gotta be a joke
"Claire, her utility really isnt that good and her damage is god awful. So what she can go immune to multiple things thats quite literally ALL she can do her regen sucks because its based on the amount of damage she deals and her damage sucks, her power control sucks unless they only gain power from power gain buffs and if so theres no point of using her posion curse because she would be able to nullify power gain regardless and in situations where they gain power from something other than a buff she cant cycle sp2's fast enough, and finally her fire thingy it simply dosent do enough damage, another thing is if you're doing something that requires her to be in a certain curse you're screwed because if you ever need to switch curses you cant because you'll start dying from whatever you needed the previous curse for rendering her immunites practically useless. But i will say she has one of the best nullifies in the game"
A joke???really Kindly list the mystics who can take as many fights as her. All the faults that u have listed are down to u not being good with the champ. U cry about her power control but fail to realise that u gotta keep the opponent between 2 and 3 bars of power to have it work at its best but u would cry about doing that while being perfectly happy to do the same with doom. Her regen is enough to regen about 10% health per sp2 with it going even higher with good crit rng. It’s not the best but more than enough to use a small revive on her and then regen back the health saving u potions. Her sp2 in incinerate phase can deal over 50k damage which isn’t all that bad. I have legit won a bg round with her against havoc despite all of her attacks being energy attacks.
Yeah lets keep a someone that is power gaining inbetween 2 and 3 bars...
And yeah you can actually cycle specials with doom... its called the doom cycle for a reason his power control in significantly better to point where people just call it fight control
Its not 10% a sp2 why are you making her seem worse than she actually is atleast give her some credit its about 2 to 4 sp2's to get back to max from like 20% which is still pretty bad
Also 50k is bad for a sp2 thats probably below average thats like 10+ sp2's on a act 8 health pool
Ive won bg's with her too pretty good for hype and gorr
Example: Hype has 0 utility and is rng reliant, Rintrah is way too easy to fight and gets shredded by a couple champs and is a pretty mid attacker, Claire has terrible damage for the amount of utility she has, and bishop is a mid defender and on attack he's pretty slow. And all of these champs are hypes quite a bit
Hyperion has incredible utility alongside amazing damage. Poison immune + buffs. Lot of special attacks w/o needing to hit. Ability to do almost only noncontact attacks (sp1 spam). Tons of pretty potent incinerates. Armor break w/o any hits needed on sp2. etc. One of the most flexible champs out there.
Every champ can get shredded by their counters so you can't really say that is what makes Rintrah overrated. Very few champs can take him down quickly and efficiently (important in BGs for example). He also has neutralize which is one of the most valuable effects in the game rn. and very tanky and reliable on offense (hard to die in war and stuff)
I agree with Claire. Just having immunities + buff immunity on opponent isn't really enough for the current meta.
Bishop is a great defender idk what you're talking abt. Also he's meant more for BGs/war level fights.
You cant just name random things and call them utility first and foremost and you also have to account for the usefullness of that "utility" a champ can do many different things but still have bad utility and a champ can have very little utility but that very little can cover alot of areas if that makes any sense
Secondly you have look at the "market" there are a ton of poison immune champs tons of champs with armor breaks tons of champs that are buff heavy which makes this utility have less value because of the supply is great
And there are champs that can do what hype does, do more, and do it better and not be entirely rng reliant
Regarding rintrah the only reason wasnt that he can get shredded by some champs it was that he is too easy to fight you really dont have to work around anything in his kit like for example peni you have to hit into her block or you'll get autoblocked and take damage or korg you have to take off his rock stacks and cant hit into his block, rintrah dosent have this just heavy him and he'll die, for battlegrounds all you have to do to counter rintrah is bring in a aa, torch, valk, diablo, omega etc. And put down any defender of your own that also takes a long time to fight nick, peni, sassy, maybe thing, and you'll win 100% of time because your fight is easier than theirs even if they do have a counter
Troll spotted but I'll bite.
In a previous post, not the one I'm quoting above but from this thread you said Hyperion has 0 (zero) utility. Where is "your" definition of utility in the OP or that post? You also mention you can't name random things and call them utility, can you please provide us with the definition (or at least in your mind) of what utility is?
I'll take one form of the definition, utility can act as a substitute in various roles. Simply put in context of MCOC, utility provides a certain function. E.g. a champ with immunities has some form of utility, a champ with a combination of high energy/physical resistance & health pool would have utility, a champ that can power control, a champ that can minimize/eat specials has utility.
Now a champ without ANY immunities, no/little energy/physical resistances, no/low armor, no power control or no/low damage would likely have 0 utility.
I agree with you that some champs have utility but are not good options to bring but when you said zero utility, that's interesting. You're Paragon but bring up a 2016 champ that is overrated in 2023? Overrated by what standard? Is there dozens/hundreds of new threads being created here on the forums in 2023 that showcase how great he is? Is every MCOC YouTuber talking about how good Hyperion is?
I focused on Hyp here not because I'm a Hyperion is the best cosmic champ out there but found it odd you included him in an overrated champion post. Now if you included Herc, Galan, CGR or Hulkling I wouldn't have bat an eye because they are likely considered by most in top 5 or top 10 cosmic champs from various tier lists, posts on forums or found in my Line chats for champs to use/rank for certain content etc.
Also find it odd Wags, Havok and Mojo are included in this post but usually these types of thread are meant to stir things up haha, it's just the nature of it.
All said, I've got champs I see as overrated but that could be because I don't play them as much as others, maybe it's a playstyle thing, difficulty of fully maximizing that champ, not being suicide friendly or a utility they bring that I'm unaware of, who knows. I don't find anyone in your list overrated but it that's because the sources I use for rating champs (myself, YT channels, alliance chat and MCOC forums) they aren't rated that high.
For the record, hypes full list of utility includes:
Fury (lots of them) Power gain Incinerate Armor break Stun (separate from parry mastery) Poison immunity Regeneration
Yes, there’s lots he can’t do. Just like every other single champ in the game.
So a pretty generic cosmic... almost every cosmic has those abilities so remind me again why im using the rng fiesta one
I suppose you think Domino is overrated too then?
She's properly rated
But there’s so many mutants that can do what she does… and she is the rngfiesta one!
Using your Hyperion logic, she should be meme tier.
different utilities having aa reduction is different from having fury buffs and she can also be a good defendee
she isnt overrated because people dont exaggerate what she can do but she also isnt down played
lol.
You werent doing whatever you thought you were doing
You are doing exactly what everyone thinks you’re doing. How’s the weather under the bridge?
So...?
You still don't get it. Domino doesn't have different abilities from other mutants and she is and RNG fiesta. That doesn't make her bad, the same way it doesn't make hype bad.
You mention domino is different because she has ability accuracy reduction and can also be a good defender. Lot's of mutants have AAR and hype is also good on def (power gain). If you say just counter his power gain then same goes for domino - just counter her AAR, lots of ability accuracy reduction immune champs are in the game now.
If you mean AAR is better than fury well you're comparing apples to oranges, you can't really say one is better than the other. In some scenarios fury is going to be better and in other AAR.
Hype is good and in no way overrated, I'm actually curious about the damage a r5 hype could do. In your own words: he isnt overrated because people dont exaggerate what he can do but he also isnt down played (even though he is a 2016 champion - which is amazing)
For the record, hypes full list of utility includes:
Fury (lots of them) Power gain Incinerate Armor break Stun (separate from parry mastery) Poison immunity Regeneration
Yes, there’s lots he can’t do. Just like every other single champ in the game.
So a pretty generic cosmic... almost every cosmic has those abilities so remind me again why im using the rng fiesta one
Hyperion isn't really rngfiesta lmao It's 40% to gain furies on heavies and 60% to stun on SP2 Seeing as how his damage rotation is literally throw heavies into SP2, I fail to see how he relies on RNJesus to function
Hyperion, I can't remember the last time I used him, or any content that came and he was like one of the top options for it, he's not bad but also not on the level of the current top cosmics
Example: Hype has 0 utility and is rng reliant, Rintrah is way too easy to fight and gets shredded by a couple champs and is a pretty mid attacker, Claire has terrible damage for the amount of utility she has, and bishop is a mid defender and on attack he's pretty slow. And all of these champs are hypes quite a bit
Hyperion has incredible utility alongside amazing damage. Poison immune + buffs. Lot of special attacks w/o needing to hit. Ability to do almost only noncontact attacks (sp1 spam). Tons of pretty potent incinerates. Armor break w/o any hits needed on sp2. etc. One of the most flexible champs out there.
Every champ can get shredded by their counters so you can't really say that is what makes Rintrah overrated. Very few champs can take him down quickly and efficiently (important in BGs for example). He also has neutralize which is one of the most valuable effects in the game rn. and very tanky and reliable on offense (hard to die in war and stuff)
I agree with Claire. Just having immunities + buff immunity on opponent isn't really enough for the current meta.
Bishop is a great defender idk what you're talking abt. Also he's meant more for BGs/war level fights.
You cant just name random things and call them utility first and foremost and you also have to account for the usefullness of that "utility" a champ can do many different things but still have bad utility and a champ can have very little utility but that very little can cover alot of areas if that makes any sense
Secondly you have look at the "market" there are a ton of poison immune champs tons of champs with armor breaks tons of champs that are buff heavy which makes this utility have less value because of the supply is great
And there are champs that can do what hype does, do more, and do it better and not be entirely rng reliant
Regarding rintrah the only reason wasnt that he can get shredded by some champs it was that he is too easy to fight you really dont have to work around anything in his kit like for example peni you have to hit into her block or you'll get autoblocked and take damage or korg you have to take off his rock stacks and cant hit into his block, rintrah dosent have this just heavy him and he'll die, for battlegrounds all you have to do to counter rintrah is bring in a aa, torch, valk, diablo, omega etc. And put down any defender of your own that also takes a long time to fight nick, peni, sassy, maybe thing, and you'll win 100% of time because your fight is easier than theirs even if they do have a counter
Troll spotted but I'll bite.
In a previous post, not the one I'm quoting above but from this thread you said Hyperion has 0 (zero) utility. Where is "your" definition of utility in the OP or that post? You also mention you can't name random things and call them utility, can you please provide us with the definition (or at least in your mind) of what utility is?
I'll take one form of the definition, utility can act as a substitute in various roles. Simply put in context of MCOC, utility provides a certain function. E.g. a champ with immunities has some form of utility, a champ with a combination of high energy/physical resistance & health pool would have utility, a champ that can power control, a champ that can minimize/eat specials has utility.
Now a champ without ANY immunities, no/little energy/physical resistances, no/low armor, no power control or no/low damage would likely have 0 utility.
I agree with you that some champs have utility but are not good options to bring but when you said zero utility, that's interesting. You're Paragon but bring up a 2016 champ that is overrated in 2023? Overrated by what standard? Is there dozens/hundreds of new threads being created here on the forums in 2023 that showcase how great he is? Is every MCOC YouTuber talking about how good Hyperion is?
I focused on Hyp here not because I'm a Hyperion is the best cosmic champ out there but found it odd you included him in an overrated champion post. Now if you included Herc, Galan, CGR or Hulkling I wouldn't have bat an eye because they are likely considered by most in top 5 or top 10 cosmic champs from various tier lists, posts on forums or found in my Line chats for champs to use/rank for certain content etc.
Also find it odd Wags, Havok and Mojo are included in this post but usually these types of thread are meant to stir things up haha, it's just the nature of it.
All said, I've got champs I see as overrated but that could be because I don't play them as much as others, maybe it's a playstyle thing, difficulty of fully maximizing that champ, not being suicide friendly or a utility they bring that I'm unaware of, who knows. I don't find anyone in your list overrated but it that's because the sources I use for rating champs (myself, YT channels, alliance chat and MCOC forums) they aren't rated that high.
I said you cant say random things and call them utility because people go overboard and start naming random things like dealing energy or physical damage
I said 0 utility as somewhat of an exaggeration i mean amount of utility he has and the kind of utility he has is so low its practically 0
I said hype because whenever he's brought up people go nuts about him im not sure if its a victim of nostalgia thing or what but he's not as good as people make him out to be
Wags might be retracted but i do remember in he was pretty overrated in 2021 so i just included him based of that
Havok is pretty bad offensively and defensively and when brought up he's hyped quite a bit
Mojo is overrated as an attacker whenever he is brought up
People really dont allow you to say anything bad about a champ it's like they just ignore all the cons and say "well not every champ has to be a herc" thats the one thing i dont like about this game people dont give a proper analysis/ honest breakdown of a champ listing their pros and cons if they like a champ they wont ever say anything bad about them
For the record, hypes full list of utility includes:
Fury (lots of them) Power gain Incinerate Armor break Stun (separate from parry mastery) Poison immunity Regeneration
Yes, there’s lots he can’t do. Just like every other single champ in the game.
So a pretty generic cosmic... almost every cosmic has those abilities so remind me again why im using the rng fiesta one
Hyperion isn't really rngfiesta lmao It's 40% to gain furies on heavies and 60% to stun on SP2 Seeing as how his damage rotation is literally throw heavies into SP2, I fail to see how he relies on RNJesus to function
40% is low im not saying it should be higher, it cant be higher because of the nature of the ability, 40% is the highest you can get it without it being ridiculous but its still too low everytime ive played hype im spamming 4-5 heavys against the wall and end up with 2 furys every single time without fail its a complete rng fiesta
Example: Hype has 0 utility and is rng reliant, Rintrah is way too easy to fight and gets shredded by a couple champs and is a pretty mid attacker, Claire has terrible damage for the amount of utility she has, and bishop is a mid defender and on attack he's pretty slow. And all of these champs are hypes quite a bit
Lol....ever consider you just don't use some of these champs correctly? Your takes are absolutely terrible my man.
Example: Hype has 0 utility and is rng reliant, Rintrah is way too easy to fight and gets shredded by a couple champs and is a pretty mid attacker, Claire has terrible damage for the amount of utility she has, and bishop is a mid defender and on attack he's pretty slow. And all of these champs are hypes quite a bit
For the record, hypes full list of utility includes:
Fury (lots of them) Power gain Incinerate Armor break Stun (separate from parry mastery) Poison immunity Regeneration
Yes, there’s lots he can’t do. Just like every other single champ in the game.
So a pretty generic cosmic... almost every cosmic has those abilities so remind me again why im using the rng fiesta one
I suppose you think Domino is overrated too then?
She's properly rated
But there’s so many mutants that can do what she does… and she is the rngfiesta one!
Using your Hyperion logic, she should be meme tier.
different utilities having aa reduction is different from having fury buffs and she can also be a good defendee
she isnt overrated because people dont exaggerate what she can do but she also isnt down played
lol.
You werent doing whatever you thought you were doing
You are doing exactly what everyone thinks you’re doing. How’s the weather under the bridge?
So...?
You still don't get it. Domino doesn't have different abilities from other mutants and she is and RNG fiesta. That doesn't make her bad, the same way it doesn't make hype bad.
You mention domino is different because she has ability accuracy reduction and can also be a good defender. Lot's of mutants have AAR and hype is also good on def (power gain). If you say just counter his power gain then same goes for domino - just counter her AAR, lots of ability accuracy reduction immune champs are in the game now.
If you mean AAR is better than fury well you're comparing apples to oranges, you can't really say one is better than the other. In some scenarios fury is going to be better and in other AAR.
Hype is good and in no way overrated, I'm actually curious about the damage a r5 hype could do. In your own words: he isnt overrated because people dont exaggerate what he can do but he also isnt down played (even though he is a 2016 champion - which is amazing)
I never said she had different abilities from other mutants i was saying aa reduction is different from furies. Aa reduction being one of the best utilities in the game you cant compare that to a champion who has furies maybe furies will be better than aa reduction like 5% of the time
Hype isnt good on defense unless theres a seperate power gain node in place he can be taken with any champ not usually worth bringing a counter for
If you dont think he's overrated you are very out of touch
Example: Hype has 0 utility and is rng reliant, Rintrah is way too easy to fight and gets shredded by a couple champs and is a pretty mid attacker, Claire has terrible damage for the amount of utility she has, and bishop is a mid defender and on attack he's pretty slow. And all of these champs are hypes quite a bit
Example: Hype has 0 utility and is rng reliant, Rintrah is way too easy to fight and gets shredded by a couple champs and is a pretty mid attacker, Claire has terrible damage for the amount of utility she has, and bishop is a mid defender and on attack he's pretty slow. And all of these champs are hypes quite a bit
Lol....ever consider you just don't use some of these champs correctly? Your takes are absolutely terrible my man.
They arent complicated to use i just see things for what they are my takes arent terrible you just dont like that im saying bad things about a champ
For the record, hypes full list of utility includes:
Fury (lots of them) Power gain Incinerate Armor break Stun (separate from parry mastery) Poison immunity Regeneration
Yes, there’s lots he can’t do. Just like every other single champ in the game.
So a pretty generic cosmic... almost every cosmic has those abilities so remind me again why im using the rng fiesta one
I suppose you think Domino is overrated too then?
She's properly rated
But there’s so many mutants that can do what she does… and she is the rngfiesta one!
Using your Hyperion logic, she should be meme tier.
different utilities having aa reduction is different from having fury buffs and she can also be a good defendee
she isnt overrated because people dont exaggerate what she can do but she also isnt down played
lol.
You werent doing whatever you thought you were doing
You are doing exactly what everyone thinks you’re doing. How’s the weather under the bridge?
So...?
You still don't get it. Domino doesn't have different abilities from other mutants and she is and RNG fiesta. That doesn't make her bad, the same way it doesn't make hype bad.
You mention domino is different because she has ability accuracy reduction and can also be a good defender. Lot's of mutants have AAR and hype is also good on def (power gain). If you say just counter his power gain then same goes for domino - just counter her AAR, lots of ability accuracy reduction immune champs are in the game now.
If you mean AAR is better than fury well you're comparing apples to oranges, you can't really say one is better than the other. In some scenarios fury is going to be better and in other AAR.
Hype is good and in no way overrated, I'm actually curious about the damage a r5 hype could do. In your own words: he isnt overrated because people dont exaggerate what he can do but he also isnt down played (even though he is a 2016 champion - which is amazing)
I never said she had different abilities from other mutants i was saying aa reduction is different from furies. Aa reduction being one of the best utilities in the game you cant compare that to a champion who has furies maybe furies will be better than aa reduction like 5% of the time
Hype isnt good on defense unless theres a seperate power gain node in place he can be taken with any champ not usually worth bringing a counter for
If you dont think he's overrated you are very out of touch
hyperion's power gain is really annoying because he waits until special 3. (at least for me) You are welcome to have your own opinions (as is everyone else), but calling people "very out of touch" for what they think doesn't help
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Hype never really helped in act 7 and 8
Also doom can counter unstoppable buffs and can counter evade
Yeah lets keep a someone that is power gaining inbetween 2 and 3 bars...
And yeah you can actually cycle specials with doom... its called the doom cycle for a reason his power control in significantly better to point where people just call it fight control
Its not 10% a sp2 why are you making her seem worse than she actually is atleast give her some credit its about 2 to 4 sp2's to get back to max from like 20% which is still pretty bad
Also 50k is bad for a sp2 thats probably below average thats like 10+ sp2's on a act 8 health pool
Ive won bg's with her too pretty good for hype and gorr
Using your Hyperion logic, she should be meme tier.
she isnt overrated because people dont exaggerate what she can do but she also isnt down played
In a previous post, not the one I'm quoting above but from this thread you said Hyperion has 0 (zero) utility. Where is "your" definition of utility in the OP or that post? You also mention you can't name random things and call them utility, can you please provide us with the definition (or at least in your mind) of what utility is?
I'll take one form of the definition, utility can act as a substitute in various roles. Simply put in context of MCOC, utility provides a certain function. E.g. a champ with immunities has some form of utility, a champ with a combination of high energy/physical resistance & health pool would have utility, a champ that can power control, a champ that can minimize/eat specials has utility.
Now a champ without ANY immunities, no/little energy/physical resistances, no/low armor, no power control or no/low damage would likely have 0 utility.
I agree with you that some champs have utility but are not good options to bring but when you said zero utility, that's interesting. You're Paragon but bring up a 2016 champ that is overrated in 2023? Overrated by what standard? Is there dozens/hundreds of new threads being created here on the forums in 2023 that showcase how great he is? Is every MCOC YouTuber talking about how good Hyperion is?
I focused on Hyp here not because I'm a Hyperion is the best cosmic champ out there but found it odd you included him in an overrated champion post. Now if you included Herc, Galan, CGR or Hulkling I wouldn't have bat an eye because they are likely considered by most in top 5 or top 10 cosmic champs from various tier lists, posts on forums or found in my Line chats for champs to use/rank for certain content etc.
Also find it odd Wags, Havok and Mojo are included in this post but usually these types of thread are meant to stir things up haha, it's just the nature of it.
All said, I've got champs I see as overrated but that could be because I don't play them as much as others, maybe it's a playstyle thing, difficulty of fully maximizing that champ, not being suicide friendly or a utility they bring that I'm unaware of, who knows. I don't find anyone in your list overrated but it that's because the sources I use for rating champs (myself, YT channels, alliance chat and MCOC forums) they aren't rated that high.
You mention domino is different because she has ability accuracy reduction and can also be a good defender. Lot's of mutants have AAR and hype is also good on def (power gain). If you say just counter his power gain then same goes for domino - just counter her AAR, lots of ability accuracy reduction immune champs are in the game now.
If you mean AAR is better than fury well you're comparing apples to oranges, you can't really say one is better than the other. In some scenarios fury is going to be better and in other AAR.
Hype is good and in no way overrated, I'm actually curious about the damage a r5 hype could do. In your own words: he isnt overrated because people dont exaggerate what he can do but he also isnt down played (even though he is a 2016 champion - which is amazing)
It's 40% to gain furies on heavies and 60% to stun on SP2
Seeing as how his damage rotation is literally throw heavies into SP2, I fail to see how he relies on RNJesus to function
I said 0 utility as somewhat of an exaggeration i mean amount of utility he has and the kind of utility he has is so low its practically 0
I said hype because whenever he's brought up people go nuts about him im not sure if its a victim of nostalgia thing or what but he's not as good as people make him out to be
Wags might be retracted but i do remember in he was pretty overrated in 2021 so i just included him based of that
Havok is pretty bad offensively and defensively and when brought up he's hyped quite a bit
Mojo is overrated as an attacker whenever he is brought up
People really dont allow you to say anything bad about a champ it's like they just ignore all the cons and say "well not every champ has to be a herc" thats the one thing i dont like about this game people dont give a proper analysis/ honest breakdown of a champ listing their pros and cons if they like a champ they wont ever say anything bad about them
Hype isnt good on defense unless theres a seperate power gain node in place he can be taken with any champ not usually worth bringing a counter for
If you dont think he's overrated you are very out of touch
You are welcome to have your own opinions (as is everyone else), but calling people "very out of touch" for what they think doesn't help