Rank down tickets for Zemo and Kraven…

SecondSkriller

They’re my two favourite champions sitting at rank 5 because I love their root mechanic, yet the last patch completely ruined them by allowing opponents to special 3 out of root. This change is significant enough to turn them into bad champions so I want to request the infamous rank down tickets if this change is here to stay.

SecondSkriller

The fact that they did this silently aswell is making me create this post since they clearly haven’t considered the impact it has on their performance.

BlackOracle

Stop it, and go sit down.

hi_im_sir

@Kabam Miike @Kabam Jax

SecondSkriller

https://youtu.be/-SORZu8SHZA
This is what Kraven could do before the patch, no synergies or boosts. Nerfing this to the ground without a single word is obscene. He is unusable now, such a change demands rank down tickets.

Repto23

You were always supposed to special out of root, so how is this a nerf?

SecondSkriller

Repto23 said:

You were always supposed to special out of root, so how is this a nerf?

Not as a defender

Pikolu

It's been on the trello board for awhile that zemos root wasn't supposed to stop the enemy from using their sp3 and the devs also informed me that it was supposed to be on the patch notes that they fixed it.

I guess the Cassie taunt on the patch notes (wasn't actually changed) might have taken the spot of Zemos root being fixed

Drago_von_Drago

What about Kraven?

SecondSkriller

Pikolu said:

It's been on the trello board for awhile that zemos root wasn't supposed to stop the enemy from using their sp3 and the devs also informed me that it was supposed to be on the patch notes that they fixed it.

I guess the Cassie taunt on the patch notes (wasn't actually changed) might have taken the spot of Zemos root being fixed

What about Kraven then? He was released 2 years ago, this affects him more. They should issue tickets for him then, he ahs been butchered by this change.

danielmath

I didn’t know that champs couldn’t throw sp3s when rooted on defense, where does it say in the abilities?

Drago_von_Drago

There are too many threads going on this. It doesn’t say anything about special locking while trapped/rooted in Kraven’s kit. He does still special lock defenders at SP1/2 but now the special lock comes off when they get to SP3. None of it is addressed in his kit so changing it without warning from the way it’s worked for years seems wrong.

SecondSkriller

danielmath said:

I didn’t know that champs couldn’t throw sp3s when rooted on defense, where does it say in the abilities?

It doesn’t say anywhere, they just couldn’t, as proven by Kraven who’s been out for two years and has a root.

5th

danielmath said:

I didn’t know that champs couldn’t throw sp3s when rooted on defense, where does it say in the abilities?

You didn't know, you didn't play him before?

SecondSkriller

5th said:

danielmath said:

I didn’t know that champs couldn’t throw sp3s when rooted on defense, where does it say in the abilities?

You didn't know, you didn't play him before?

Very little people play Kraven and yet they still disagree that this is a horrible change for him out of the blue…

danielmath

5th said:

danielmath said:

I didn’t know that champs couldn’t throw sp3s when rooted on defense, where does it say in the abilities?

You didn't know, you didn't play him before?

Correct, never used him. I just feel like if this was a thing i’d have at least heard of it? Maybe not though

GinjabredMonsta

5th said:

danielmath said:

I didn’t know that champs couldn’t throw sp3s when rooted on defense, where does it say in the abilities?

You didn't know, you didn't play him before?

Nah didn’t play him like that and try to not get opponents close to sp3

Drago_von_Drago

For context from today:

Special locked while rooted/trapped.



Reached 3 bars and lock comes off.

Magrailothos

Hopefully they'll get merged soon.

For what it's worth, whilst I don't have a problem with the change itself, I do agree that communication should have been better around Root-Lock and it being unintentional.

As the OP says, Kraven has been doing it for ages, and it should have been addressed as a bug earlier.

Colinwhitworth69

Kraven's abilities says rooted champ activating a special removes root.

SecondSkriller

Magrailothos said:

Hopefully they'll get merged soon.

For what it's worth, whilst I don't have a problem with the change itself, I do agree that communication should have been better around Root-Lock and it being unintentional.

As the OP says, Kraven has been doing it for ages, and it should have been addressed as a bug earlier.

Yes, if they think it was broken fine then nerf it and give me my rank down tickets, but don’t do this silently and destroy a two year old champion.

SecondSkriller

Pikolu said:

It's been on the trello board for awhile that zemos root wasn't supposed to stop the enemy from using their sp3 and the devs also informed me that it was supposed to be on the patch notes that they fixed it.

I guess the Cassie taunt on the patch notes (wasn't actually changed) might have taken the spot of Zemos root being fixed

That sounds like a cheap lie aswell from the devs, Kraven could do this which created a precedent for why Zemo could aswell, which is something they choose to nerf now, two years after his release, without a word, without tickets.

Demonzfyre

SecondSkriller said:

Pikolu said:

It's been on the trello board for awhile that zemos root wasn't supposed to stop the enemy from using their sp3 and the devs also informed me that it was supposed to be on the patch notes that they fixed it.

I guess the Cassie taunt on the patch notes (wasn't actually changed) might have taken the spot of Zemos root being fixed

What about Kraven then? He was released 2 years ago, this affects him more. They should issue tickets for him then, he ahs been butchered by this change.

It literally says in his kit that throwing specials removes root so why would they be special locked? Also, it says opponents and not specifically attacker or defender. It works both ways with all 3 root champions.

SecondSkriller

Colinwhitworth69 said:

Kraven's abilities says rooted champ activating a special removes root.

Don’t talk if you haven’t played him please they’re still even now special 1 and 2 locked, this is not helping the conversation, with this patch they allowed opponents to use a special 3 out of nowhere, 2 years later.

SecondSkriller

Demonzfyre said:

SecondSkriller said:

Pikolu said:

It's been on the trello board for awhile that zemos root wasn't supposed to stop the enemy from using their sp3 and the devs also informed me that it was supposed to be on the patch notes that they fixed it.

I guess the Cassie taunt on the patch notes (wasn't actually changed) might have taken the spot of Zemos root being fixed

What about Kraven then? He was released 2 years ago, this affects him more. They should issue tickets for him then, he ahs been butchered by this change.

It literally says in his kit that throwing specials removes root so why would they be special locked? Also, it says opponents and not specifically attacker or defender. It works both ways with all 3 root champions.

They are still special 1 and 2 locked, your argument is useless.

[Deleted User]

Demonzfyre said:

SecondSkriller said:

Pikolu said:

It's been on the trello board for awhile that zemos root wasn't supposed to stop the enemy from using their sp3 and the devs also informed me that it was supposed to be on the patch notes that they fixed it.

I guess the Cassie taunt on the patch notes (wasn't actually changed) might have taken the spot of Zemos root being fixed

What about Kraven then? He was released 2 years ago, this affects him more. They should issue tickets for him then, he ahs been butchered by this change.

It literally says in his kit that throwing specials removes root so why would they be special locked? Also, it says opponents and not specifically attacker or defender. It works both ways with all 3 root champions.

Judging by the fact that the sp1 and sp2 are in fact special locked, and that ability isn't listed anywhere, it's pretty safe to assume this ability would just be useful on Defense. There are a ton of defensive abilities in the game that aren't specifically stated to be made for defense.

ahmynuts

Bro just go home with your L. No rank-down tickets are necessary as this was a known issue.

Demonzfyre

SecondSkriller said:

Demonzfyre said:

SecondSkriller said:

Pikolu said:

It's been on the trello board for awhile that zemos root wasn't supposed to stop the enemy from using their sp3 and the devs also informed me that it was supposed to be on the patch notes that they fixed it.

I guess the Cassie taunt on the patch notes (wasn't actually changed) might have taken the spot of Zemos root being fixed

What about Kraven then? He was released 2 years ago, this affects him more. They should issue tickets for him then, he ahs been butchered by this change.

It literally says in his kit that throwing specials removes root so why would they be special locked? Also, it says opponents and not specifically attacker or defender. It works both ways with all 3 root champions.

They are still special 1 and 2 locked, your argument is useless.

What? lol where does it say that sp1 and sp2 are supposed to be locked? Where?

captaincush

I fight against Kraven all the time in map 6 of AQ and when I do foolishly get trapped and rooted, I am never special locked

SecondSkriller

ahmynuts said:

Bro just go home with your L. No rank-down tickets are necessary as this was a known issue.

I refuse. Two years it’s been since he’s out, the L is yours for assuming the way a champ works that you’ve never played.

GinjabredMonsta

AngelMcNugget said:

Demonzfyre said:

SecondSkriller said:

Pikolu said:

It's been on the trello board for awhile that zemos root wasn't supposed to stop the enemy from using their sp3 and the devs also informed me that it was supposed to be on the patch notes that they fixed it.

I guess the Cassie taunt on the patch notes (wasn't actually changed) might have taken the spot of Zemos root being fixed

What about Kraven then? He was released 2 years ago, this affects him more. They should issue tickets for him then, he ahs been butchered by this change.

It literally says in his kit that throwing specials removes root so why would they be special locked? Also, it says opponents and not specifically attacker or defender. It works both ways with all 3 root champions.

Judging by the fact that the sp1 and sp2 are in fact special locked, and that ability isn't listed anywhere, it's pretty safe to assume this ability would just be useful on Defense. There are a ton of defensive abilities in the game that aren't specifically stated to be made for defense.

If that’s the case, this would be a pretty big issue to not have a description for. Unless it’s a root specific description for the mechanic itself.