This issue is very easy to fix: offer Kraven rank down tickets. Keep the stupid new root if you want, hell even keep Zemo this way, he’s horrible now but fine he’s a new champ, but Kraven has been out for two years, bugfixed now, Moleman story, offer rank down tickets for his nerf.
There is no new Root. It was a bug, and Kabam doesn't offer RDTs for a bug fix.
Moleman
Moleman was a champion specific case. How are you going to use a rank down ticket on the root mechanic?
Zemo, Sandman, Kraven and Spidey Supreme are the only affected champs, out of these Kraven and Zemo take the biggest loss.
Ir’s insane to me how people advocate for defenders being able to use specials 1 and 2 to break out of root. That would make any root champ the most useless champ in the game.
I'm sorry but what rule is in place that a defender A.I can't do that a human Attacker can do? Relics are the only thing defenders generally can't do that attackers can. If we can do it, theoretically so can A.I defenders. Do you get this mad when you're parried in game modes like arena, AW or BG's?
They’re special locked during root, still are in this patch, just not for sp3 for some reason. You have no point.
They shouldn't be special locked period unless the kit specifically calls for it. Kraven should say SP3 removes root. As it stands now, no root mechanic should special lock anyone, attacker or defender.
This issue is very easy to fix: offer Kraven rank down tickets. Keep the stupid new root if you want, hell even keep Zemo this way, he’s horrible now but fine he’s a new champ, but Kraven has been out for two years, bugfixed now, Moleman story, offer rank down tickets for his nerf.
There is no new Root. It was a bug, and Kabam doesn't offer RDTs for a bug fix.
Moleman
Moleman was a champion specific case. How are you going to use a rank down ticket on the root mechanic?
Zemo, Sandman, Kraven and Spidey Supreme are the only affected champs, out of these Kraven and Zemo take the biggest loss.
They are champions that use the root mechanic, which is where the bug fix occurred. The champions were not touched, therefore there is no case for rankdown tickets
Ir’s insane to me how people advocate for defenders being able to use specials 1 and 2 to break out of root. That would make any root champ the most useless champ in the game.
I'm sorry but what rule is in place that a defender A.I can't do that a human Attacker can do? Relics are the only thing defenders generally can't do that attackers can. If we can do it, theoretically so can A.I defenders. Do you get this mad when you're parried in game modes like arena, AW or BG's?
They’re special locked during root, still are in this patch, just not for sp3 for some reason. You have no point.
They shouldn't be special locked period unless the kit specifically calls for it. Kraven should say SP3 removes root. As it stands now, no root mechanic should special lock anyone, attacker or defender.
Tell that to kabam and also offer rank down tickets for this drastic change in quality for Kraven.
This issue is very easy to fix: offer Kraven rank down tickets. Keep the stupid new root if you want, hell even keep Zemo this way, he’s horrible now but fine he’s a new champ, but Kraven has been out for two years, bugfixed now, Moleman story, offer rank down tickets for his nerf.
Yes agreed, can't let this happen again and again after gambit relic and now these root champs. Only kabam knows what are bugs what are not. And sometimes we players get lucky to find some bugs before kabam!
Kraven's abilities says rooted champ activating a special removes root.
Don’t talk if you haven’t played him please they’re still even now special 1 and 2 locked, this is not helping the conversation, with this patch they allowed opponents to use a special 3 out of nowhere, 2 years later.
Sounds like Kraven was bugged and because almost no one uses him as an attacker, the bug was likely considered low priority and just now fixed. Whether this gets you a RDT, not sure. Doubt it.
Also -- never ever fool yourself that you can get me to shut up, bub, because you'll only get the opposite.
You don't need special lock to use Kraven or Zemo, and because it is not part of their abilities most players were not impacted by this because they were playing them the way they were designed.
Ir’s insane to me how people advocate for defenders being able to use specials 1 and 2 to break out of root. That would make any root champ the most useless champ in the game.
I'm sorry but what rule is in place that a defender A.I can't do that a human Attacker can do? Relics are the only thing defenders generally can't do that attackers can. If we can do it, theoretically so can A.I defenders. Do you get this mad when you're parried in game modes like arena, AW or BG's?
They’re special locked during root, still are in this patch, just not for sp3 for some reason. You have no point.
That's because there is no Champ that is inhibited from performing an L3.
Excuse me? Have you played Idoom before? He can also infinitely special lock, is that a bug aswell?
This issue is very easy to fix: offer Kraven rank down tickets. Keep the stupid new root if you want, hell even keep Zemo this way, he’s horrible now but fine he’s a new champ, but Kraven has been out for two years, bugfixed now, Moleman story, offer rank down tickets for his nerf.
There is no new Root. It was a bug, and Kabam doesn't offer RDTs for a bug fix.
Moleman
Moleman was a champion specific case. How are you going to use a rank down ticket on the root mechanic?
Zemo, Sandman, Kraven and Spidey Supreme are the only affected champs, out of these Kraven and Zemo take the biggest loss.
They are champions that use the root mechanic, which is where the bug fix occurred. The champions were not touched, therefore there is no case for rankdown tickets
These champions have all been nerfed by this change, you are utterly wrong by saying that they haven’t been touched and should not be part of this discussion since you do not even use Kraven.
Ir’s insane to me how people advocate for defenders being able to use specials 1 and 2 to break out of root. That would make any root champ the most useless champ in the game.
I'm sorry but what rule is in place that a defender A.I can't do that a human Attacker can do? Relics are the only thing defenders generally can't do that attackers can. If we can do it, theoretically so can A.I defenders. Do you get this mad when you're parried in game modes like arena, AW or BG's?
They’re special locked during root, still are in this patch, just not for sp3 for some reason. You have no point.
That's because there is no Champ that is inhibited from performing an L3.
Excuse me? Have you played Idoom before? He can also infinitely special lock, is that a bug aswell?
No Root prevents it.
https://youtu.be/WafflqagFcU Really now? For two years it does and now you’re just feeding me this lie? You’ve never played these champions.
It's been on the trello board for awhile that zemos root wasn't supposed to stop the enemy from using their sp3 and the devs also informed me that it was supposed to be on the patch notes that they fixed it.
I guess the Cassie taunt on the patch notes (wasn't actually changed) might have taken the spot of Zemos root being fixed
What about Kraven then? He was released 2 years ago, this affects him more. They should issue tickets for him then, he ahs been butchered by this change.
It literally says in his kit that throwing specials removes root so why would they be special locked? Also, it says opponents and not specifically attacker or defender. It works both ways with all 3 root champions.
Judging by the fact that the sp1 and sp2 are in fact special locked, and that ability isn't listed anywhere, it's pretty safe to assume this ability would just be useful on Defense. There are a ton of defensive abilities in the game that aren't specifically stated to be made for defense.
I am sure it would but it doesn't say any of that in his kit, at all. It literally says to throw a special to remove root. If you're special locked, why would that be the way to remove root? That whole theory contradicts itself based on what's listed in the kit.
Specials remove root. Doesn't say SP3 only. Doesn't say defender ability or attacker ability. Just says opponents.
You're explaining exactly why this is an issue, and I agree
Yes, the issue is it was bugged. Now it's not. Issue resolved, kit works as intended.
You're still not understanding.
Root isn't said to special lock at all. It's not described in any champion abilities, it isn't describe in the Root description, it just isn't said to exist literally anywhere. And yet, when the Defender is rooted they are under a special lock for the duration of the root or until they reach a special 3. Why is that such a specific ability with a restriction that isn't defined anywhere in game? That's the issue. Any new player who uses Kraven on attack and reads thoroughly through his entire description would have no idea that Special Lock exists. They would also have no idea that it disappears after they reach a special 3. They would also have no idea that it used to stop Defenders from throwing their special 3. They would also have no idea that this is a bug, since the ability itself strictly isn't even supposed to exist in game. If there's no listing of an ability, how could there possibly even be a bug?
Kraven's abilities says rooted champ activating a special removes root.
Don’t talk if you haven’t played him please they’re still even now special 1 and 2 locked, this is not helping the conversation, with this patch they allowed opponents to use a special 3 out of nowhere, 2 years later.
Sounds like Kraven was bugged and because almost no one uses him as an attacker, the bug was likely considered low priority and just now fixed. Whether this gets you a RDT, not sure. Doubt it.
Also -- never ever fool yourself that you can get me to shut up, bub, because you'll only get the opposite.
You don't need special lock to use Kraven or Zemo, and because it is not part of their abilities most players were not impacted by this because they were playing them the way they were designed.
Useless comment, bugfixed after two years demands compensation.
I dont know how it isnt crystal clear to you at this point that the root fix has nothing to do with the champions that use it. The interactions were never a defined part of their kits (which is on you if you ranked them up assuming they were) and the bug going on was both defined and announced by Kabam. It's pretty clear cut that this has nothing to do with the champions and you're salty you cannot properly read and do your own research
Ir’s insane to me how people advocate for defenders being able to use specials 1 and 2 to break out of root. That would make any root champ the most useless champ in the game.
I'm sorry but what rule is in place that a defender A.I can't do that a human Attacker can do? Relics are the only thing defenders generally can't do that attackers can. If we can do it, theoretically so can A.I defenders. Do you get this mad when you're parried in game modes like arena, AW or BG's?
They’re special locked during root, still are in this patch, just not for sp3 for some reason. You have no point.
That's because there is no Champ that is inhibited from performing an L3.
Excuse me? Have you played Idoom before? He can also infinitely special lock, is that a bug aswell?
No Root prevents it.
https://youtu.be/WafflqagFcU Really now? For two years it does and now you’re just feeding me this lie? You’ve never played these champions.
Show me where it indicates that in the listed Abilities.
I dont know how it isnt crystal clear to you at this point that the root fix has nothing to do with the champions that use it. The interactions were never a defined part of their kits (which is on you if you ranked them up assuming they were) and the bug going on was both defined and announced by Kabam. It's pretty clear cut that this has nothing to do with the champions and you're salty you cannot properly read and do your own research
Changing root doesn’t change root applying champions. Your logic is horrendous. Horrible.
I dont know how it isnt crystal clear to you at this point that the root fix has nothing to do with the champions that use it. The interactions were never a defined part of their kits (which is on you if you ranked them up assuming they were) and the bug going on was both defined and announced by Kabam. It's pretty clear cut that this has nothing to do with the champions and you're salty you cannot properly read and do your own research
Changing root doesn’t change root applying champions. Your logic is horrendous. Horrible.
Ir’s insane to me how people advocate for defenders being able to use specials 1 and 2 to break out of root. That would make any root champ the most useless champ in the game.
I'm sorry but what rule is in place that a defender A.I can't do that a human Attacker can do? Relics are the only thing defenders generally can't do that attackers can. If we can do it, theoretically so can A.I defenders. Do you get this mad when you're parried in game modes like arena, AW or BG's?
They’re special locked during root, still are in this patch, just not for sp3 for some reason. You have no point.
They shouldn't be special locked period unless the kit specifically calls for it. Kraven should say SP3 removes root. As it stands now, no root mechanic should special lock anyone, attacker or defender.
And that's the issue. They are special locked, even though the kit doesn't call for it. Root doesn't define the special lock as existing, so how is anyone supposed to know that it isn't working as intended if the ability itself isn't defined. Unless they visit the forums frequently and happen upon someone talking about this, there's just no way of knowing any of this exists or how it functions.
This issue is very easy to fix: offer Kraven rank down tickets. Keep the stupid new root if you want, hell even keep Zemo this way, he’s horrible now but fine he’s a new champ, but Kraven has been out for two years, bugfixed now, Moleman story, offer rank down tickets for his nerf.
There is no new Root. It was a bug, and Kabam doesn't offer RDTs for a bug fix.
Moleman
Moleman was a champion specific case. How are you going to use a rank down ticket on the root mechanic?
You offer it for the two champs who have root as an integral part of their kit.
Kraven worked a certain way for 2 years. Changing one of his core mechanics out of the blue with no warning is another one of those “silent nerfs” that never happens…
His kit never mentions special locking at all so there was no way to know it wasn’t intended. Root is almost useless as an attacker if they can special out immediately so the special lock makes sense for it to have any value. It’s never been mentioned as a bug. The bug that is on the board only mentions Zemo. And on top of that the fix that was supposed to target Zemo wasn’t even announced.
I dont know how it isnt crystal clear to you at this point that the root fix has nothing to do with the champions that use it. The interactions were never a defined part of their kits (which is on you if you ranked them up assuming they were) and the bug going on was both defined and announced by Kabam. It's pretty clear cut that this has nothing to do with the champions and you're salty you cannot properly read and do your own research
Changing root doesn’t change root applying champions. Your logic is horrendous. Horrible.
You are so challenged in terms of logic if you believe changing root means that champs applying root won’t be affected…
Kraven's abilities says rooted champ activating a special removes root.
Don’t talk if you haven’t played him please they’re still even now special 1 and 2 locked, this is not helping the conversation, with this patch they allowed opponents to use a special 3 out of nowhere, 2 years later.
Sounds like Kraven was bugged and because almost no one uses him as an attacker, the bug was likely considered low priority and just now fixed. Whether this gets you a RDT, not sure. Doubt it.
Also -- never ever fool yourself that you can get me to shut up, bub, because you'll only get the opposite.
You don't need special lock to use Kraven or Zemo, and because it is not part of their abilities most players were not impacted by this because they were playing them the way they were designed.
Useless comment, bugfixed after two years demands compensation.
I hope you get nothing and cry every night about it.
Tomorrow kabam will nerf some other stuff in this game saying it was bugged( obviously because lack of better champ ability description )
If they indicated it's supposed to do that and it isn't, I'd agree. They didn't.
The bottom line is there is no moratorium on bug fixes. Whether it's 5 minutes or 5 years, a bug is a bug. It's been on the Trello board for some time. People fault them for not fixing issues, and they fault them for doing it.
Tomorrow kabam will nerf some other stuff in this game saying it was bugged( obviously because lack of better champ ability description )
If they indicated it's supposed to do that and it isn't, I'd agree. They didn't.
The bottom line is there is no moratorium on bug fixes. Whether it's 5 minutes or 5 years, a bug is a bug. It's been on the Trello board for some time. People fault them for not fixing issues, and they fault them for doing it.
But remember, if it’s a player benefitting bug, then they fix it right away. Since this has been bugged for two years, clearly this must be hurting players and this fix was a good thing 😆
Kraven's abilities says rooted champ activating a special removes root.
Don’t talk if you haven’t played him please they’re still even now special 1 and 2 locked, this is not helping the conversation, with this patch they allowed opponents to use a special 3 out of nowhere, 2 years later.
Sounds like Kraven was bugged and because almost no one uses him as an attacker, the bug was likely considered low priority and just now fixed. Whether this gets you a RDT, not sure. Doubt it.
Also -- never ever fool yourself that you can get me to shut up, bub, because you'll only get the opposite.
You don't need special lock to use Kraven or Zemo, and because it is not part of their abilities most players were not impacted by this because they were playing them the way they were designed.
Useless comment, bugfixed after two years demands compensation.
I hope you get nothing and cry every night about it.
Ah yes, I see. These are the people I’m arguing with.
Tomorrow kabam will nerf some other stuff in this game saying it was bugged( obviously because lack of better champ ability description )
If they indicated it's supposed to do that and it isn't, I'd agree. They didn't.
The bottom line is there is no moratorium on bug fixes. Whether it's 5 minutes or 5 years, a bug is a bug. It's been on the Trello board for some time. People fault them for not fixing issues, and they fault them for doing it.
You are aware how much of an impact this "fix" has on Kraven, aren’t you? He is unusable now, just so you know, his rotation gone. I’m not against fixing a bug, I’m for keeping things player friendly, but some of you don’t even understand that, that’s why you ask for defenders to be able to remove root with sp1 and 2…
Karatemike has made a video and he uses this special lock cuz of root multiple times in fights to lock defenders of their sp3.
He doesn't say it is intended or not but given that he used it as a reliable source to special lock including sp3 should prove that AI was not supposed to throw sp3s
KT1 mentions this at 5:40 - 6:20 He also mentions one of the tweet by ppl at kabam that AI is supposed to only throw heavies or block as long as root lasts
I've never used Kraven but I think rank down tickets should be given
It's been on the trello board for awhile that zemos root wasn't supposed to stop the enemy from using their sp3 and the devs also informed me that it was supposed to be on the patch notes that they fixed it.
I guess the Cassie taunt on the patch notes (wasn't actually changed) might have taken the spot of Zemos root being fixed
What about Kraven then? He was released 2 years ago, this affects him more. They should issue tickets for him then, he ahs been butchered by this change.
It literally says in his kit that throwing specials removes root so why would they be special locked? Also, it says opponents and not specifically attacker or defender. It works both ways with all 3 root champions.
Judging by the fact that the sp1 and sp2 are in fact special locked, and that ability isn't listed anywhere, it's pretty safe to assume this ability would just be useful on Defense. There are a ton of defensive abilities in the game that aren't specifically stated to be made for defense.
I am sure it would but it doesn't say any of that in his kit, at all. It literally says to throw a special to remove root. If you're special locked, why would that be the way to remove root? That whole theory contradicts itself based on what's listed in the kit.
Specials remove root. Doesn't say SP3 only. Doesn't say defender ability or attacker ability. Just says opponents.
You're explaining exactly why this is an issue, and I agree
Yes, the issue is it was bugged. Now it's not. Issue resolved, kit works as intended.
But this is the situation NOW. They are special locked except for sp3. So the fix only removed sp3 lock. Sp1&sp2 lock still exists. That means its intention is to special lock (1&2). But that's not mentioned anywhere which why this whole thing is a mess in the first place
It's been on the trello board for awhile that zemos root wasn't supposed to stop the enemy from using their sp3 and the devs also informed me that it was supposed to be on the patch notes that they fixed it.
I guess the Cassie taunt on the patch notes (wasn't actually changed) might have taken the spot of Zemos root being fixed
What about Kraven then? He was released 2 years ago, this affects him more. They should issue tickets for him then, he ahs been butchered by this change.
It literally says in his kit that throwing specials removes root so why would they be special locked? Also, it says opponents and not specifically attacker or defender. It works both ways with all 3 root champions.
Judging by the fact that the sp1 and sp2 are in fact special locked, and that ability isn't listed anywhere, it's pretty safe to assume this ability would just be useful on Defense. There are a ton of defensive abilities in the game that aren't specifically stated to be made for defense.
I am sure it would but it doesn't say any of that in his kit, at all. It literally says to throw a special to remove root. If you're special locked, why would that be the way to remove root? That whole theory contradicts itself based on what's listed in the kit.
Specials remove root. Doesn't say SP3 only. Doesn't say defender ability or attacker ability. Just says opponents.
You're explaining exactly why this is an issue, and I agree
Yes, the issue is it was bugged. Now it's not. Issue resolved, kit works as intended.
But this is the situation NOW. They are special locked except for sp3. So the fix only removed sp3 lock. Sp1&sp2 lock still exists. That means its intention is to special lock (1&2). But that's not mentioned anywhere which why this whole thing is a mess in the first place
To be fair, I never knew they were special locked. I just assumed root triggered some sort of agro that made them just want to do heavies.
Kraven's abilities says rooted champ activating a special removes root.
Don’t talk if you haven’t played him please they’re still even now special 1 and 2 locked, this is not helping the conversation, with this patch they allowed opponents to use a special 3 out of nowhere, 2 years later.
Also -- never ever fool yourself that you can get me to shut up, bub, because you'll only get the opposite.
Ir’s insane to me how people advocate for defenders being able to use specials 1 and 2 to break out of root. That would make any root champ the most useless champ in the game.
I'm sorry but what rule is in place that a defender A.I can't do that a human Attacker can do? Relics are the only thing defenders generally can't do that attackers can. If we can do it, theoretically so can A.I defenders. Do you get this mad when you're parried in game modes like arena, AW or BG's?
They’re special locked during root, still are in this patch, just not for sp3 for some reason. You have no point.
They shouldn't be special locked period unless the kit specifically calls for it. Kraven should say SP3 removes root. As it stands now, no root mechanic should special lock anyone, attacker or defender.
And that's the issue. They are special locked, even though the kit doesn't call for it. Root doesn't define the special lock as existing, so how is anyone supposed to know that it isn't working as intended if the ability itself isn't defined. Unless they visit the forums frequently and happen upon someone talking about this, there's just no way of knowing any of this exists or how it functions.
I am not sure how anyone could not understand something is wrong. I can understand why they wouldn't say anything since it works in their favor.
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Only kabam knows what are bugs what are not. And sometimes we players get lucky to find some bugs before kabam!
Also -- never ever fool yourself that you can get me to shut up, bub, because you'll only get the opposite.
You don't need special lock to use Kraven or Zemo, and because it is not part of their abilities most players were not impacted by this because they were playing them the way they were designed.
Really now? For two years it does and now you’re just feeding me this lie? You’ve never played these champions.
Root isn't said to special lock at all. It's not described in any champion abilities, it isn't describe in the Root description, it just isn't said to exist literally anywhere. And yet, when the Defender is rooted they are under a special lock for the duration of the root or until they reach a special 3. Why is that such a specific ability with a restriction that isn't defined anywhere in game? That's the issue. Any new player who uses Kraven on attack and reads thoroughly through his entire description would have no idea that Special Lock exists. They would also have no idea that it disappears after they reach a special 3. They would also have no idea that it used to stop Defenders from throwing their special 3. They would also have no idea that this is a bug, since the ability itself strictly isn't even supposed to exist in game. If there's no listing of an ability, how could there possibly even be a bug?
Your logic is horrendous. Horrible.
You offer it for the two champs who have root as an integral part of their kit.
Kraven worked a certain way for 2 years. Changing one of his core mechanics out of the blue with no warning is another one of those “silent nerfs” that never happens…
His kit never mentions special locking at all so there was no way to know it wasn’t intended. Root is almost useless as an attacker if they can special out immediately so the special lock makes sense for it to have any value. It’s never been mentioned as a bug. The bug that is on the board only mentions Zemo. And on top of that the fix that was supposed to target Zemo wasn’t even announced.
The bottom line is there is no moratorium on bug fixes. Whether it's 5 minutes or 5 years, a bug is a bug. It's been on the Trello board for some time.
People fault them for not fixing issues, and they fault them for doing it.
Nagase made a video on this about an year ago and it has 17K views
Karatemike has made a video and he uses this special lock cuz of root multiple times in fights to lock defenders of their sp3.
He doesn't say it is intended or not but given that he used it as a reliable source to special lock including sp3 should prove that AI was not supposed to throw sp3s
KT1 mentions this at 5:40 - 6:20
He also mentions one of the tweet by ppl at kabam that AI is supposed to only throw heavies or block as long as root lasts
I've never used Kraven but I think rank down tickets should be given