This is a firm reminder that the loudest group does not make it a majority. NOR is the forums a full representation of everyone playing the game.
Gotcha, so that's where the problem is. Let's make forum full represention. Next summoner choice can happen in forum itself. Just send a inbox message. It will be clear with the results, no questions asked, no debates in forum, no mod clarification needed and full represention given. That should be the deal.
#MakeCommunityChoiceGreatAgain
God I hope this is a joke, I really can’t tell.
What's wrong in forum vote? Kabam will have official pinned post and everyone has access to forum. The message for same can come in game inbox. What are the disadvantages you reckon? It will be transparent.
Because the forums aren’t the community! I’m in a Masters Alliance, and I think I’m the only forum gremlin there. They are all people deeply invested in the game, but they don’t spend their time here. The point is that the players get to decide, it makes no sense to limit that to forum users.
Feel free to vote on this, and discuss respectfully.
But.
This is a firm reminder that the loudest group does not make it a majority. NOR is the forums a full representation of everyone playing the game.
In the case of Summoner's Choice, just because someone is the favourite of many, and may occupy most of the chatter, it does not mean that they are the most voted for.
And we've said this many times in the past... what possible motivation would we have to rig the vote? We rig the champion selection process for every other champion release, every year.
Also, I voted for Shriek.
That’s it exactly. You all are used to making the decision and even though you know that you should let the people decide you’ve become addicted to the power of selecting champions. You may even want to defer to the community but then you look at the totals and feel that itch that only selecting a champion can scratch. How could anyone go back to being a nobody who just waits each month to see who will be released once you’ve tasted the awesome power that comes from selecting a champion? I cant even comprehend what a thrill that must be.
I voted Blob but I am old school and read x-men comics from the late 80s.. this current generation more than likely didn't know who the blob was, and if you don't he isn't all that ..um..."attractive".
I don't think it is rigged, but I am surprised that so many didn't want a mutant given how poor the returns on that class have been lately.
Feel free to vote on this, and discuss respectfully.
But.
This is a firm reminder that the loudest group does not make it a majority. NOR is the forums a full representation of everyone playing the game.
In the case of Summoner's Choice, just because someone is the favourite of many, and may occupy most of the chatter, it does not mean that they are the most voted for.
And we've said this many times in the past... what possible motivation would we have to rig the vote? We rig the champion selection process for every other champion release, every year.
Also, I voted for Shriek.
That’s it exactly. You all are used to making the decision and even though you know that you should let the people decide you’ve become addicted to the power of selecting champions. You may even want to defer to the community but then you look at the totals and feel that itch that only selecting a champion can scratch. How could anyone go back to being a nobody who just waits each month to see who will be released once you’ve tasted the awesome power that comes from selecting a champion? I cant even comprehend what a thrill that must be.
Lol I think he was doing a bit, but honestly I can’t tell anymore.
Feel free to vote on this, and discuss respectfully.
But.
This is a firm reminder that the loudest group does not make it a majority. NOR is the forums a full representation of everyone playing the game.
In the case of Summoner's Choice, just because someone is the favourite of many, and may occupy most of the chatter, it does not mean that they are the most voted for.
And we've said this many times in the past... what possible motivation would we have to rig the vote? We rig the champion selection process for every other champion release, every year.
Also, I voted for Shriek.
That’s it exactly. You all are used to making the decision and even though you know that you should let the people decide you’ve become addicted to the power of selecting champions. You may even want to defer to the community but then you look at the totals and feel that itch that only selecting a champion can scratch. How could anyone go back to being a nobody who just waits each month to see who will be released once you’ve tasted the awesome power that comes from selecting a champion? I cant even comprehend what a thrill that must be.
Feel free to vote on this, and discuss respectfully.
But.
This is a firm reminder that the loudest group does not make it a majority. NOR is the forums a full representation of everyone playing the game.
In the case of Summoner's Choice, just because someone is the favourite of many, and may occupy most of the chatter, it does not mean that they are the most voted for.
And we've said this many times in the past... what possible motivation would we have to rig the vote? We rig the champion selection process for every other champion release, every year.
Also, I voted for Shriek.
That’s it exactly. You all are used to making the decision and even though you know that you should let the people decide you’ve become addicted to the power of selecting champions. You may even want to defer to the community but then you look at the totals and feel that itch that only selecting a champion can scratch. How could anyone go back to being a nobody who just waits each month to see who will be released once you’ve tasted the awesome power that comes from selecting a champion? I cant even comprehend what a thrill that must be.
Lol I think he was doing a bit, but honestly I can’t tell anymore.
It's what I thought to but.... this is the MCOC forums....
The most insane part of claiming the vote was rigged is that there is zero reason why Kabam would include a champ in the voting and then nefariously rig the votes so that champ did not win. (I said the same thing in a previous summoner vote.) Easier would have been not to include Blob at all.
Excuse me, but please do not bring logic into this. There is no place for that here.
This is a firm reminder that the loudest group does not make it a majority. NOR is the forums a full representation of everyone playing the game.
Gotcha, so that's where the problem is. Let's make forum full represention. Next summoner choice can happen in forum itself. Just send a inbox message. It will be clear with the results, no questions asked, no debates in forum, no mod clarification needed and full represention given. That should be the deal.
#MakeCommunityChoiceGreatAgain
God I hope this is a joke, I really can’t tell.
What's wrong in forum vote? Kabam will have official pinned post and everyone has access to forum. The message for same can come in game inbox. What are the disadvantages you reckon? It will be transparent.
Because like a million people play this game and maybe a couple thousand use the forums.
Furthermore, you actually have to play the game to vote in-game. That was part of the point. Everyone got one vote, but then had to earn additional ballots through in-game objectives, which made Summoner's Choice a player engagement exercise, not a democracy.
Forum voting adds a very tiny and easy to foil element of transparency**, at the cost of eliminating 99.9% of the players from voting by adding a special hurdle to voting most players do not currently jump through.
** If you think Kabam can't manipulate forum votes, that's ridiculous. *I* could do it easily.
People think the Moon landing was faked and chem trails are a thing. By comparison, thinking crystals and summoner choice votes are rigged is Conspiracy Lunacy easy mode.
No way, the other characters have beat blob in votes
The idea that Blob was the runaway favorite was a calculation. I don't actually know a ton of other players who actually wanted Blob in the game. Some, but not an overwhelming amount. Most of the players I knew did not have a strong attachment to any of them. Which meant while Blob had the most hard core supporters, the vast majority of players were probably in the "no preference" category.
When "no preference" vastly outnumbers everyone, even Blob, the winner tends to get dictated by sometimes trivial factors. Sometimes people start voting for whomever they think will win. Sometimes people start voting for whomever their friends want. And sometimes people just look at all eight and pick by gut instinct. I suspect most players fell into that category.
And honestly, I think in the gut-instinct pool of players Blob was operating at a disadvantage. If you know nothing about the characters or have no attachment to them, Blob is not the one I think most players would say "that's the one I want to see." Blob has name recognition, Blob has deep history, but Blob is also a big guy that hits stuff.
To think it would take a conspiracy for the Darkity Dark Wasp Chick and Nearly As Dark Immortal Mobster to beat out Type 1 Diabetes King is a bit of a stretch.
News flash: Lots of players don't know who any of the champs they are voting for are. Their decision is purely driven by how cool they look on the little voting cards.
I voted Ruby with all my ballots first, then Shathra. Ruby is my first choice and my most preferred and I think she should've made it past round 1 due to how good she's done on twitter and from all the support she seemingly gets here. Do I think it's rigged? Of course not. It just so happened that she didn’t win.
RIGGED FROM THE BEGINNING! Seriously though I hadn’t heard of any of the characters this time around aside from blob, I was a Ruby enthusiast but Shathra seems cool so voting for her in the finals.
RIGGED FROM THE BEGINNING! Seriously though I hadn’t heard of any of the characters this time around aside from blob, I was a Ruby enthusiast but Shathra seems cool so voting for her in the finals.
I’m just here for the Brennan Lee Mulligan Game Changer gif
Feel free to vote on this, and discuss respectfully.
But.
This is a firm reminder that the loudest group does not make it a majority. NOR is the forums a full representation of everyone playing the game.
In the case of Summoner's Choice, just because someone is the favourite of many, and may occupy most of the chatter, it does not mean that they are the most voted for.
And we've said this many times in the past... what possible motivation would we have to rig the vote? We rig the champion selection process for every other champion release, every year.
Also, I voted for Shriek.
That’s it exactly. You all are used to making the decision and even though you know that you should let the people decide you’ve become addicted to the power of selecting champions. You may even want to defer to the community but then you look at the totals and feel that itch that only selecting a champion can scratch. How could anyone go back to being a nobody who just waits each month to see who will be released once you’ve tasted the awesome power that comes from selecting a champion? I cant even comprehend what a thrill that must be.
If this is sarcastic comment, well played. If this is a serious, wow. Just wow...
They keep saying "loud" doesn't mean majority, but the 'loudness' itself comes from the amount of comments, posts, and discussion about Blob. The frequency and abundance of people voting for, and talking about Blob is what creates this 'loudness' that the passive aggressive Kabam moderators like to imply is only created by a select few. Without many people voting for Blob, the loudness wouldn't exist. They're trying to tell you it was only 25% of voters (Blob) who happened to make all this noise and hype while at the same time 75%-80% voters (Shathra/BT) were all coincidentally quiet and mysterious and without 'loudness'. If they were popular enough to beat the one guy that had the most attention, just as a numbers game (75-80% of voters) this should be reflected in their own 'loudness' on each platform. Very odd and doesn't really follow logic.
But also I'm just rattled that we don't get BLOB. I can imagine is that it's a bunch of children and teenagers in-game voting for the 'edgy' looking characters.
This is a firm reminder that the loudest group does not make it a majority. NOR is the forums a full representation of everyone playing the game.
Gotcha, so that's where the problem is. Let's make forum full represention. Next summoner choice can happen in forum itself. Just send a inbox message. It will be clear with the results, no questions asked, no debates in forum, no mod clarification needed and full represention given. That should be the deal.
#MakeCommunityChoiceGreatAgain
God I hope this is a joke, I really can’t tell.
What's wrong in forum vote? Kabam will have official pinned post and everyone has access to forum. The message for same can come in game inbox. What are the disadvantages you reckon? It will be transparent.
Because the forums aren’t the community! I’m in a Masters Alliance, and I think I’m the only forum gremlin there. They are all people deeply invested in the game, but they don’t spend their time here. The point is that the players get to decide, it makes no sense to limit that to forum users.
They just have to visit once to vote, they don't have to put post here. Atleast this is more spam proof than twitter. That is the whole point, it's not limiting to certain user, it's expanding forum to all. First they did the wildcard thing on twitter and it can visible so no one asked questions. Their engagement was just 1k. Maybe just a factor, a visible means like Forum should be there.
They keep saying "loud" doesn't mean majority, but the 'loudness' itself comes from the amount of comments, posts, and discussion about Blob. The frequency and abundance of people voting for, and talking about Blob is what creates this 'loudness' that the passive aggressive Kabam moderators like to imply is only created by a select few. Without many people voting for Blob, the loudness wouldn't exist. They're trying to tell you it was only 25% of voters (Blob) who happened to make all this noise and hype while at the same time 75%-80% voters (Shathra/BT) were all coincidentally quiet and mysterious and without 'loudness'. If they were popular enough to beat the one guy that had the most attention, just as a numbers game (75-80% of voters) this should be reflected in their own 'loudness' on each platform. Very odd and doesn't really follow logic.
But also I'm just rattled that we don't get BLOB. I can imagine is that it's a bunch of children and teenagers in-game voting for the 'edgy' looking characters.
Again, it was loud in the forums, which is probably 1% of MCOC players.
They keep saying "loud" doesn't mean majority, but the 'loudness' itself comes from the amount of comments, posts, and discussion about Blob. The frequency and abundance of people voting for, and talking about Blob is what creates this 'loudness' that the passive aggressive Kabam moderators like to imply is only created by a select few. Without many people voting for Blob, the loudness wouldn't exist. They're trying to tell you it was only 25% of voters (Blob) who happened to make all this noise and hype while at the same time 75%-80% voters (Shathra/BT) were all coincidentally quiet and mysterious and without 'loudness'. If they were popular enough to beat the one guy that had the most attention, just as a numbers game (75-80% of voters) this should be reflected in their own 'loudness' on each platform. Very odd and doesn't really follow logic.
But also I'm just rattled that we don't get BLOB. I can imagine is that it's a bunch of children and teenagers in-game voting for the 'edgy' looking characters.
Kabam did not say 25% of voters voted Blob. They said Blob received 20% fewer votes than the second place finisher out of the final four.
And your logic doesn't hold. The idea that how popular someone appears to be in a public forum should directly correlate to how popular they are across the entire population is literally the fundamental fallacy that randomized statistical sampling is designed to overcome.
The players on the forums are self-selected to be among the highest engaged players, at least in terms of discussing the game. Our opinions do not come close to representing the playerbase at large. I am probably one of the most (in)famous forum posters in this game. I would bet more than half the players of this game have never heard of me.
More people play this game than read Marvel comic books. The vast majority of players of this game have never heard of most of the champions before they appeared in the game. Even players who are familiar with some of the Marvel characters that have appeared in MCU movies don't necessarily know all of them, because most movie goers do not watch every single Marvel property. The number of players who even knows who Blob is, given that his biggest appearance outside of the comic books was in X-Men Origins Wolverine, not the most popular X-Men movie, is probably not super high, nor would most of the people who saw him in that movie necessarily have an especially strong attachment to the character.
The logical assumption is that most players of the game did not have a strong favorite, and just voted based on a ten second appraisal of which character looked the coolest. Logically, is that him:
Or her?
The "noise" on the forums for *all* the choices combined, was coming from just a few dozen of us. Maybe a few hundred total voices combined. Thinking that this would govern how hundreds of thousands of players would vote is no different from assuming that where everyone in your carpool decides to vote to go to lunch should represent the culinary preferences of the United States.
Don't even get me started on social media. If I thought social media accurately represented the human population of Earth, I'd hack a missile silo to start world war 3 so Earth could start over with the bees.
Blob will eventually come around, you don't need to go out making posts because he lost. People need to stop calling every vote rigged just because they didn't get what they want....
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I don't think it is rigged, but I am surprised that so many didn't want a mutant given how poor the returns on that class have been lately.
Wait, is your username a re:zero reference? I just realized lol.
Furthermore, you actually have to play the game to vote in-game. That was part of the point. Everyone got one vote, but then had to earn additional ballots through in-game objectives, which made Summoner's Choice a player engagement exercise, not a democracy.
Forum voting adds a very tiny and easy to foil element of transparency**, at the cost of eliminating 99.9% of the players from voting by adding a special hurdle to voting most players do not currently jump through.
** If you think Kabam can't manipulate forum votes, that's ridiculous. *I* could do it easily.
When "no preference" vastly outnumbers everyone, even Blob, the winner tends to get dictated by sometimes trivial factors. Sometimes people start voting for whomever they think will win. Sometimes people start voting for whomever their friends want. And sometimes people just look at all eight and pick by gut instinct. I suspect most players fell into that category.
And honestly, I think in the gut-instinct pool of players Blob was operating at a disadvantage. If you know nothing about the characters or have no attachment to them, Blob is not the one I think most players would say "that's the one I want to see." Blob has name recognition, Blob has deep history, but Blob is also a big guy that hits stuff.
To think it would take a conspiracy for the Darkity Dark Wasp Chick and Nearly As Dark Immortal Mobster to beat out Type 1 Diabetes King is a bit of a stretch.
RIGGED FROM THE BEGINNING!
Seriously though I hadn’t heard of any of the characters this time around aside from blob, I was a Ruby enthusiast but Shathra seems cool so voting for her in the finals.
If this is sarcastic comment, well played. If this is a serious, wow. Just wow...
But also I'm just rattled that we don't get BLOB. I can imagine is that it's a bunch of children and teenagers in-game voting for the 'edgy' looking characters.
And your logic doesn't hold. The idea that how popular someone appears to be in a public forum should directly correlate to how popular they are across the entire population is literally the fundamental fallacy that randomized statistical sampling is designed to overcome.
The players on the forums are self-selected to be among the highest engaged players, at least in terms of discussing the game. Our opinions do not come close to representing the playerbase at large. I am probably one of the most (in)famous forum posters in this game. I would bet more than half the players of this game have never heard of me.
More people play this game than read Marvel comic books. The vast majority of players of this game have never heard of most of the champions before they appeared in the game. Even players who are familiar with some of the Marvel characters that have appeared in MCU movies don't necessarily know all of them, because most movie goers do not watch every single Marvel property. The number of players who even knows who Blob is, given that his biggest appearance outside of the comic books was in X-Men Origins Wolverine, not the most popular X-Men movie, is probably not super high, nor would most of the people who saw him in that movie necessarily have an especially strong attachment to the character.
The logical assumption is that most players of the game did not have a strong favorite, and just voted based on a ten second appraisal of which character looked the coolest. Logically, is that him:
Or her?
The "noise" on the forums for *all* the choices combined, was coming from just a few dozen of us. Maybe a few hundred total voices combined. Thinking that this would govern how hundreds of thousands of players would vote is no different from assuming that where everyone in your carpool decides to vote to go to lunch should represent the culinary preferences of the United States.
Don't even get me started on social media. If I thought social media accurately represented the human population of Earth, I'd hack a missile silo to start world war 3 so Earth could start over with the bees.