Making an RNG fest with an exorbitant consumables cost the last step on a 3 month journey to get a 7* nightcrawler is just a miserable end to an overall concept of sagas that I’ve quite enjoyed until now. If you get through all the other steps, grinding multiple battlegrounds seasons to get GC for it to fall to pieces here, how am I supposed to feel. There’s no part of getting 3rd law’d, special chaos with root and aspect of death’d to death that is anywhere near fun and interactive
Here are some hacks, oh and here are some nodes that will make you die from those hacks
Seriously, why? Why take 3 months of work and then make the last step the worst one, why make players feel like losers after trying for multiple months
It is disgustingly rng(doubltfully)depended mode I hated losing many unit and time for getting road blocked I feel like because I tryed 5-6 time and even used many revive but still in higher rooms like 20-25 which İT happened to me all this trys you can easily scewed up by the some random node with some random champ and if you ok to use 20 or so more revive just for power through it you can easily get next room same tipe result so thanks but no thanks for more incursion
@Kabam Miike what i find very sad is a lot of people have been voicing there opinion and kabam has ignored us all with staying quite. I have always been respectful with my post but as the weeks have been going by kabam seems to not care about people with a less roster. I am valiant with a decent roster and I get road block with a crazy node combo which have been making it hard to pass room 10 or 13 in sector 7. I do understand that the best rewards like a rank up gem and tier 4 in the higher rooms which i am very fine with but to lock the runestones behind this with limited champs that dont counter all the mystic is frustrating. I have notice every forum post about this getting burried and kabam not saying anything about it.I guess they dont care about the pain points which is making me not want to care about this game anymore.
I attempted saga incursions 3 times but at the end rng factor mess u up so bad that u don't have a choice but to quit. Max I reached zone 15-17-18 in 3 attempts but always either input dex or parry doesn't register can mess your fight or the rng nodes n ai of defender. . I have officially give up on this incursions challenge & doesn't seem worth of using units over 1k for this challenge. Even if the rewards are great. . MAIN ISSUE : is challenge is not progressive. If you stuck somehow. You have to start again from point 0 to make progress. Which i think shouldn't be the case of any challenge spcly when there's not much things to offer to asist in challenge like this. Like I remember last incursions challenge, they gave us revives bundle using artifacts to vuy them n get challenge done. . SUGGESTION: to counter n make it progressive ( or atleast give 1-2 opportunity not to lose the progress) give like 1-2 keys ... which one can use after doing 1st 3 or 5 zones of incursions & then use that key to teleport to the zone where you died. So one can have a chance to make progress even further than where he got stuck at last time.
I attempted saga incursions 3 times but at the end rng factor mess u up so bad that u don't have a choice but to quit. Max I reached zone 15-17-18 in 3 attempts but always either input dex or parry doesn't register can mess your fight or the rng nodes n ai of defender. . I have officially give up on this incursions challenge & doesn't seem worth of using units over 1k for this challenge. Even if the rewards are great. . MAIN ISSUE : is challenge is not progressive. If you stuck somehow. You have to start again from point 0 to make progress. Which i think shouldn't be the case of any challenge spcly when there's not much things to offer to asist in challenge like this. Like I remember last incursions challenge, they gave us revives bundle using artifacts to vuy them n get challenge done. . SUGGESTION: to counter n make it progressive ( or atleast give 1-2 opportunity not to lose the progress) give like 1-2 keys ... which one can use after doing 1st 3 or 5 zones of incursions & then use that key to teleport to the zone where you died. So one can have a chance to make progress even further than where he got stuck at last time.
I like that idea of a safeguard mechanism, that would reduce the frustration of having to do it all over again. I finished my run at room 21 after spending way too many units in revives and pots. Thing is until room 15 everything was going well so I decided that was "THE" run (after at least 20-25 attempts, I made it to room 13 in my first run and then every run was garbage). Room 14 I got a Terrax boss with BS nodes and then in every room I had an issue with something. The problem is I was tired of having to redo it again, the stars aligned, I got the buffs I wanted so I decided to go through but after I got my runes for NC it was enough. No more incursions, I don't care for the 4-5 gem. Any communication from Kabam would have been appreciated, any potions deal would have been nice, especially when your incursions champs are not allowed in there so eventually you need to revive (and let's be honest the revives barely give any health). A missed occasion for Kabam, it could have been a great event, just like the past incursions events but it's been spoiled by their greediness. Great job guys!
So frustrated - rocking in incursions Section 6 with a Herc team, only for the game to crash loading a boss fight and have to reload - half health gone, all pre-fights gone, all hacks gone...managed to get through the boss but last few rooms I had to bail on - grrr!
So, for what it's worth I tried something... One of my champs was almost dead and I was in a good shape with the other two. I switched that champion for a 1*. Now I had a 2* almost dead, used a potion on him (smallest one) so he was no back full health. The room after that I switched him for one of my 7*. 7*, full health for free (almost). If that can help...
Thats genius thanks!
Now what would be great is if you could sub in the champs that you previously subbed out. Specially in a limited pool incursion
This pissed me off a bit. I thought the champ cool down was 5 minutes..Didn't realise there was no cooldown for an entire run regardless. Cost me a bit in the last few zones when I had swapped out my Kuishala ages ago (around room 14) and couldn't get her back in.
So, for what it's worth I tried something... One of my champs was almost dead and I was in a good shape with the other two. I switched that champion for a 1*. Now I had a 2* almost dead, used a potion on him (smallest one) so he was no back full health. The room after that I switched him for one of my 7*. 7*, full health for free (almost). If that can help...
Thats genius thanks!
Now what would be great is if you could sub in the champs that you previously subbed out. Specially in a limited pool incursion
This pissed me off a bit. I thought the champ cool down was 5 minutes..Didn't realise there was no cooldown for an entire run regardless. Cost me a bit in the last few zones when I had swapped out my Kuishala ages ago (around room 14) and couldn't get her back in.
It's been like that as far back as I can remember.
Kabam, You did the most perfect and balanced incursions with deadpools runas, now You ruined it with saga incursion lol
Actually this is a really good points.
Everyone is talking about Saga Incursion, but actually with this new change the normal part of Incursion is always lost its balance.
With the new Bosses in Zone 1, 4, 8, ect and the new Hacks (which doesn't seem to be useful) also diluted the Hack selection options, there is less chance for you to get the Hack that you wanted.
Next Season of Incursion the real pain will really show when champs cool down time is no longer 5 mins.
Kabam have really mess up Incursion .
Saga sound like a good idea on paper, but the way it was implemented just make players hate the idea.
Saga in AW - Good lord it is Painful Saga in BG - Painful Saga in Incursion -....umm what was it...oh yeah Painful.
I hv tried like 15-20 times but rng of nodes & defenders really slaps the hacks n makes them useless k even my attackers. . RnG really needs to be in your favour in challenges like this & "ai as well but that's still manageable as times" I have honestly given up on this saga challenge when it's not even progressive & nothing regarding revives to help out or assist even a bit. . Wehn you get the hacks you want. All of sudden defender & nodes really contradict the attackers n hacks make it rendor to even olay further. Thank you for such a mess up challenge. feel like " what if of wow absman fight as a incursions challenge"
I hv tried like 15-20 times but rng of nodes & defenders really slaps the hacks n makes them useless k even my attackers. . RnG really needs to be in your favour in challenges like this & "ai as well but that's still manageable as times" I have honestly given up on this saga challenge when it's not even progressive & nothing regarding revives to help out or assist even a bit. . Wehn you get the hacks you want. All of sudden defender & nodes really contradict the attackers n hacks make it rendor to even olay further. Thank you for such a mess up challenge. feel like " what if of wow absman fight as a incursions challenge"
In the words of Master Oogway, "there are no accidents." Just like that, there is no RNG when it comes to these nodes. I faced a Viv Vision in my run where she had 2 nodes that cost only 50% power on specials and you couldn't power drain her. Guess what? Her AI didn't launch specials until reaching SP3 either. Then she spammed SP3 after SP3. There was a similar Absman fight too which I can't remember the nodes of. Many bleed immune defenders to fight when relying on bleeds for power stings. I chose the Bullseye route over Kingpin because I heard of enough roadblocks using the Kingpin route which hinders progress even if you have other options on your team. I powered through with UNITS to get past zone 20 and just quit without even looking at zone 21 because this is disgusting. That itself cost me about 4000 units. If the entire Sector should be themed. Not just zones 4, 8 and 12. What's even the point besides locking us out of using some champs?
As someone who doesn't even bother with Incursions unless there is something needed, this was terrible! There were ways of making this a better experience. The Runestones could have been 2 per zone for the first 10 zones with lesser amounts of Titan shards with increased amount of Titan shards from zones 11-20 and leave zones 21-25 as is.
Back to the arena grind before July 4th hits to HOPEFULLY get up to 18k units now which is a very steep hill climb now.
P.S. Considering the struggle of those that went through the pain of reaching Gladiator Circuit for 3 straight months and excruciating pain of this X-Magica Incursions, 7 star Nightcrawler should never be made available by any means other than Runestones. Because most of us wouldn't have bothered otherwise. So if someone is buying Runestones, by all means they can have 7 star Nightcrawler. Many already do. But it shouldn't be a pull from a 7 star crystal without the struggle.
Same boat here, pulled bullseye out of skill nexus and immediately R5 ascended him to try his broken technique and only got to room 17. Going to end up 3 tokens short after 3 seasons of grinding battle grounds
This is just excruciating at this point, it's either I don't get the hacks to make the setup work, or I get road blocked very deep into the run This has happend like a lot, zone 12, 15, 19, 20, 22, EVEN 25, I gave the 25 one a few revives and potions but realised VERY VERY quickly that it's a hopeless struggle and I didn't want to waste all my units on this it's not worth it, 4-5 gem is nice but I have R5 mats in the overflow all the time, the titan shards are cool but not worth spending all my units on, don't care about the rune stones (but I do feel bad the people that painstakingly collected all of them till this point only to get screwed over by rng) . This Incursions event has been one of the most horrible experiences I have ever had in this game.
The flaws of this gamemode have been made very clear ESPECIALLY THE ITEMS are severely outdated and need changes - % based items - other ways to gain incursions revives without units - remove the useless hacks you added this time, cause the only thing they're doing is making it harder for us to get actually useful hacks.
Just a suggestion for next time challenge of saga: do arena challenge instead of incursions. Won't mind grinding that but this incursions challenge ia sh*t show. Without any progression help or assistance like in previous incursions challenges had.. . Such a RNG heavy factor challenge should never be considered again when you don't give players to keep their progress or something that might work great. Instead of revives/units feast or "keep trying until rNg luck goes in your favour. One way or 2nd one. There's no 3rd option available . • incursions "revives & potions" are outdated for ages now as well. @Kabam Miike hope it comes under constructive feedback☮️☮️☮️ & you guys will look to make changes in challenges like this going ahead. . PS: issue is not with difficulty, but heavy RNG factor specifically when you don't get to keep your progession from previous run which resets the whole run for next time.
Just a suggestion for next time challenge of saga: do arena challenge instead of incursions. Won't mind grinding that but this incursions challenge ia sh*t show. Without any progression help or assistance like in previous incursions challenges had.. . Such a RNG heavy factor challenge should never be considered again when you don't give players to keep their progress or something that might work great. Instead of revives/units feast or "keep trying until rNg luck goes in your favour. One way or 2nd one. There's no 3rd option available . • incursions "revives & potions" are outdated for ages now as well. @Kabam Miike hope it comes under constructive feedback☮️☮️☮️ & you guys will look to make changes in challenges like this going ahead. . PS: issue is not with difficulty, but heavy RNG factor specifically when you don't get to keep your progession from previous run which resets the whole run for next time.
Your PS has a very good idea incapsulated in it. We should have a way to continue our run from where we left off with the ability to "reroll" the defenders/nodes and bring in a fresh team where we are able to re-use the champs we have already swapped out in the previous run as well.
What really bothers me on top of everything is the lack of communication from Kabam. No post to acknowledge the pain point or frustration, trying to set things right, etc... It's clear they want us to spend to get NC, busting your butt off reaching GC 3 months in a row is not enough, they want us to sell an organ to get the last runes. The same potion/revive deal we saw in the past incursion events would have been great, it would have made the event fun and less painful, but I guess that last point is clearly what they don't want.
What really bothers me on top of everything is the lack of communication from Kabam. No post to acknowledge the pain point or frustration, trying to set things right, etc... It's clear they want us to spend to get NC, busting your butt off reaching GC 3 months in a row is not enough, they want us to sell an organ to get the last runes. The same potion/revive deal we saw in the past incursion events would have been great, it would have made the event fun and less painful, but I guess that last point is clearly what they don't want.
The reality is, there isn't a lot of feedback that warrants a deep response. We know this challenge mode is challenging. We're aware that everyone would like to get through it and that there are some people who won't. We understand that the game mode which is based around RNG has a lot of RNG.
We understand that some Summoners are very frustrated and want to see changes. But there isn't a lot we can do to make on the fly changes to Incursions and, unfortunately, just because some people are upset doesn't mean we jump to change things. We did make some changes in preparation for this challenge: we added favourable buffs and more control over a targeted build and we removed some hard-as-nails defenders. We are aware of the sentiment towards this event and will consider it in the future.
What really bothers me on top of everything is the lack of communication from Kabam. No post to acknowledge the pain point or frustration, trying to set things right, etc... It's clear they want us to spend to get NC, busting your butt off reaching GC 3 months in a row is not enough, they want us to sell an organ to get the last runes. The same potion/revive deal we saw in the past incursion events would have been great, it would have made the event fun and less painful, but I guess that last point is clearly what they don't want.
The reality is, there isn't a lot of feedback that warrants a deep response. We know this challenge mode is challenging. We're aware that everyone would like to get through it and that there are some people who won't. We understand that the game mode which is based around RNG has a lot of RNG.
We understand that some Summoners are very frustrated and want to see changes. But there isn't a lot we can do to make on the fly changes to Incursions and, unfortunately, just because some people are upset doesn't mean we jump to change things. We did make some changes in preparation for this challenge: we added favourable buffs and more control over a targeted build and we removed some hard-as-nails defenders. We are aware of the sentiment towards this event and will consider it in the future.
Jax with all due respect what "favourable buffs" are you referring to ?? The selector I assume for it can't be those HORRENDOUS THINGS YOU CALL "SURVIVAL HACKS"? OR the multitude of common hacks that boost these useless hacks These hacks have diluted the pool so much to the point that EVEN WITH A SELECTOR TO BEGIN THE SECTOR, most of people's runs ended because they couldn't get a favourable hack.
I know the team can't make changes to an ongoing event and WE AREN'T EXPECTING YOU TO, but I hope the feedback you're taking into consideration includes - The feedback on these hacks you added that just dilute the pool , and - the SEVERELY OUTDATED revives and potions in incursions
What really bothers me on top of everything is the lack of communication from Kabam. No post to acknowledge the pain point or frustration, trying to set things right, etc... It's clear they want us to spend to get NC, busting your butt off reaching GC 3 months in a row is not enough, they want us to sell an organ to get the last runes. The same potion/revive deal we saw in the past incursion events would have been great, it would have made the event fun and less painful, but I guess that last point is clearly what they don't want.
The reality is, there isn't a lot of feedback that warrants a deep response. We know this challenge mode is challenging. We're aware that everyone would like to get through it and that there are some people who won't. We understand that the game mode which is based around RNG has a lot of RNG.
We understand that some Summoners are very frustrated and want to see changes. But there isn't a lot we can do to make on the fly changes to Incursions and, unfortunately, just because some people are upset doesn't mean we jump to change things. We did make some changes in preparation for this challenge: we added favourable buffs and more control over a targeted build and we removed some hard-as-nails defenders. We are aware of the sentiment towards this event and will consider it in the future.
I’ve cleared Zone 25 and I still think it’s a bad rng fest and a big waste of time. No free revives for such an rng based game mode where anything can roadblock you is ridiculous, on top of an already restrictive champ pool. The added buffs aren’t great or anything and the fact that this isn’t being considered right now is wild.
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Here are some hacks, oh and here are some nodes that will make you die from those hacks
Seriously, why?
Why take 3 months of work and then make the last step the worst one, why make players feel like losers after trying for multiple months
İT happened to me all this trys you can easily scewed up by the some random node with some random champ and if you ok to use 20 or so more revive just for power through it you can easily get next room same tipe result so thanks but no thanks for more incursion
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I have officially give up on this incursions challenge & doesn't seem worth of using units over 1k for this challenge. Even if the rewards are great.
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MAIN ISSUE : is challenge is not progressive. If you stuck somehow. You have to start again from point 0 to make progress. Which i think shouldn't be the case of any challenge spcly when there's not much things to offer to asist in challenge like this. Like I remember last incursions challenge, they gave us revives bundle using artifacts to vuy them n get challenge done.
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SUGGESTION: to counter n make it progressive ( or atleast give 1-2 opportunity not to lose the progress) give like 1-2 keys ... which one can use after doing 1st 3 or 5 zones of incursions & then use that key to teleport to the zone where you died. So one can have a chance to make progress even further than where he got stuck at last time.
I finished my run at room 21 after spending way too many units in revives and pots. Thing is until room 15 everything was going well so I decided that was "THE" run (after at least 20-25 attempts, I made it to room 13 in my first run and then every run was garbage). Room 14 I got a Terrax boss with BS nodes and then in every room I had an issue with something.
The problem is I was tired of having to redo it again, the stars aligned, I got the buffs I wanted so I decided to go through but after I got my runes for NC it was enough. No more incursions, I don't care for the 4-5 gem.
Any communication from Kabam would have been appreciated, any potions deal would have been nice, especially when your incursions champs are not allowed in there so eventually you need to revive (and let's be honest the revives barely give any health).
A missed occasion for Kabam, it could have been a great event, just like the past incursions events but it's been spoiled by their greediness. Great job guys!
Everyone is talking about Saga Incursion, but actually with this new change the normal part of Incursion is always lost its balance.
With the new Bosses in Zone 1, 4, 8, ect and the new Hacks (which doesn't seem to be useful) also diluted the Hack selection options, there is less chance for you to get the Hack that you wanted.
Next Season of Incursion the real pain will really show when champs cool down time is no longer 5 mins.
Kabam have really mess up Incursion .
Saga sound like a good idea on paper, but the way it was implemented just make players hate the idea.
Saga in AW - Good lord it is Painful
Saga in BG - Painful
Saga in Incursion -....umm what was it...oh yeah Painful.
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RnG really needs to be in your favour in challenges like this & "ai as well but that's still manageable as times"
I have honestly given up on this saga challenge when it's not even progressive & nothing regarding revives to help out or assist even a bit.
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Wehn you get the hacks you want. All of sudden defender & nodes really contradict the attackers n hacks make it rendor to even olay further.
Thank you for such a mess up challenge.
feel like " what if of wow absman fight as a incursions challenge"
As someone who doesn't even bother with Incursions unless there is something needed, this was terrible! There were ways of making this a better experience. The Runestones could have been 2 per zone for the first 10 zones with lesser amounts of Titan shards with increased amount of Titan shards from zones 11-20 and leave zones 21-25 as is.
Back to the arena grind before July 4th hits to HOPEFULLY get up to 18k units now which is a very steep hill climb now.
P.S. Considering the struggle of those that went through the pain of reaching Gladiator Circuit for 3 straight months and excruciating pain of this X-Magica Incursions, 7 star Nightcrawler should never be made available by any means other than Runestones. Because most of us wouldn't have bothered otherwise. So if someone is buying Runestones, by all means they can have 7 star Nightcrawler. Many already do. But it shouldn't be a pull from a 7 star crystal without the struggle.
This has happend like a lot, zone 12, 15, 19, 20, 22, EVEN 25, I gave the 25 one a few revives and potions but realised VERY VERY quickly that it's a hopeless struggle and I didn't want to waste all my units on this it's not worth it, 4-5 gem is nice but I have R5 mats in the overflow all the time, the titan shards are cool but not worth spending all my units on, don't care about the rune stones (but I do feel bad the people that painstakingly collected all of them till this point only to get screwed over by rng) . This Incursions event has been one of the most horrible experiences I have ever had in this game.
The flaws of this gamemode have been made very clear ESPECIALLY THE ITEMS are severely outdated and need changes
- % based items
- other ways to gain incursions revives without units
- remove the useless hacks you added this time, cause the only thing they're doing is making it harder for us to get actually useful hacks.
. Such a RNG heavy factor challenge should never be considered again when you don't give players to keep their progress or something that might work great.
Instead of revives/units feast or "keep trying until rNg luck goes in your favour. One way or 2nd one. There's no 3rd option available
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• incursions "revives & potions" are outdated for ages now as well.
@Kabam Miike hope it comes under constructive feedback☮️☮️☮️ & you guys will look to make changes in challenges like this going ahead.
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PS: issue is not with difficulty, but heavy RNG factor specifically when you don't get to keep your progession from previous run which resets the whole run for next time.
It's clear they want us to spend to get NC, busting your butt off reaching GC 3 months in a row is not enough, they want us to sell an organ to get the last runes.
The same potion/revive deal we saw in the past incursion events would have been great, it would have made the event fun and less painful, but I guess that last point is clearly what they don't want.
We understand that some Summoners are very frustrated and want to see changes. But there isn't a lot we can do to make on the fly changes to Incursions and, unfortunately, just because some people are upset doesn't mean we jump to change things. We did make some changes in preparation for this challenge: we added favourable buffs and more control over a targeted build and we removed some hard-as-nails defenders. We are aware of the sentiment towards this event and will consider it in the future.
These hacks have diluted the pool so much to the point that EVEN WITH A SELECTOR TO BEGIN THE SECTOR, most of people's runs ended because they couldn't get a favourable hack.
I know the team can't make changes to an ongoing event and WE AREN'T EXPECTING YOU TO, but I hope the feedback you're taking into consideration includes
- The feedback on these hacks you added that just dilute the pool , and
- the SEVERELY OUTDATED revives and potions in incursions