For me, I don’t think i’ll get the handle on alternating attacks (its like having the mix master node active as part of her kit, and I screw up that node decently often). Additionally, there’s nothing in her kit that manipulates enemy AI, so tough luck when the opponent just decides to turtle up.
Dancing blades is such a cool mechanic. Hope to see it appear in another champion as well.
You can just parry and alternate your combos, no need to intercept if there's no stun immunity or limber nodes
Speaking of her dancing blades, will she also be a good Domino counter? She'll be able to dex anything with the blades active, including Dom's unlucky. Sadly she won't work for photon because she's science, but makes sense
Sure, but I’m not worried about using Spiral in a vanilla matchup.
Throw in Protection, Gauss warp, unstoppable, etc and that’s too much (for me) to deal with.
Its great that she has a high skill ceiling, but I’d be interested to see how she performs for low skill players (<5 fervors stacked)
All of a sudden y'all like photon now like y'all weren't begging kabam to nerf her when she newly came out. And saying her undexable specials were "UNHEALTHY" for the game. As if y'all weren't also complaining about onslaughts unavoidable damage. But now they're just "challenging" and okay???
Y'all were saying the same thing bout bullseye and his INSANE block pen, instant bleeds and LONG ASS killer instinct but up to a few months ago I started seeing forum users saying he's "OKAY" and can be taken with bleed immunes during the time that serpent rebalancing info was released and people were comparing serpent to bullseye It really pissed me off when y'all try to act like these defenders are fine when a more difficult one comes along. Bullseye IS NOT EASY AT ALL.
Also, I know I'm in the minority but, I really don't see anything wrong with kabam capitalizing off counters to terrible defenders. Every champion has to bring in their fair amount of money and have something that people who spend money want. Each champion must be unique in some way or have something captivating that attracts spenders. In this case, a counter to a tough defender.
I do agree serpent should've been nerfed and is definitely BROKEN. His kit has TOOO MUCH going on but if there's an opportunity to make money of a counter then what's the problem??? CLASSIC SMART BUSINESS MOVE. Can't hate innovative entrepreneurs for making INNOVATIVE DECISIONS.
This game doesn't run off love, affection and online support. I also really dislike the VOCAL "F2P" keyboard warrior players spamming the "create the problem/disease, sell the cure/solution" on every defender/counter post. YOU LITERALLY DO NOTHING TO SUPPORT THE GAME. Stop trying to make people who spend feel guilty for purchasing what they feel interested in.
Also the ENTITLED F2P players complaining and demanding to get the same rewards as frequent spenders. IF IM READY TO DROP THAT LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY I BETTER GET MY WORTH.
This game is one of the most F2P friendly games I've ever played and kabam have been SO GENEROUS with the rewards meaning a F2P can progress very quickly and reach end game player status quite easily and y'all are not going to pretend like they haven't.
This game runs off money. LET the spenders spend and get their money's worth and let the company MAKE MONEY and keep the game running without feeling entitled and like you were robbed. Thank you very much for this long read.
When Photon came out we were inexperienced in fighting her, and like any new defender there was a learning curve for the community to go through. Once that happened, we realized there actually was some skill expression when fighting her so the community calmed down.
With bullseye he was again scarier at release than he is now. However I do think it’s pretty silly to compare the community’s opinion on photon to their opinion on bullseye, because it’s not even close to the same. I still believe bullseye is stupid, and the only reason there are people who don’t mind him anymore is because he has a decent few counters and some of them can completely nuke him.
Now let’s look at serpent. He’s been out for 8 months, the community has had lots of time to learn him, and yet the vast majority of us still believe he’s overtuned. Why? Because he has neither of the things that I mentioned above. Very few counters, can’t be taken under 50s consistently, and no room for skill expression. Comparing him to bullseye or photon is laughably inaccurate, he’s far beyond the two of them.
As I mentioned in my previous post, selling counters to a tough defender would be completely fine if the defender was balanced, but he’s not. I can hate on this decision because it’s bad for game health and if they keep this up they’re going to hurt bgs & aw even more.
Also what the heck is this ftp bashing argument I keep seeing? Can someone who is ftp not give a legitimate criticism for the overall health of the game? Is their opinion immediately irrelevant because they don’t spend on the game? People like to say this game would die without spenders, but never mention that it would die without the ftp as well. Both groups are very important.
And again they don’t need to make bad decisions to give something for whales to spend on. There are creative healthy ways to make money too yk. If they keep this up they’re gonna lose more money than they gain in the long run by hurting the most popular game mode they have.
At least so far Spiral isn't like Patriot where they are only made to counter one specific defender.
All of a sudden y'all like photon now like y'all weren't begging kabam to nerf her when she newly came out. And saying her undexable specials were "UNHEALTHY" for the game. As if y'all weren't also complaining about onslaughts unavoidable damage. But now they're just "challenging" and okay???
Y'all were saying the same thing bout bullseye and his INSANE block pen, instant bleeds and LONG ASS killer instinct but up to a few months ago I started seeing forum users saying he's "OKAY" and can be taken with bleed immunes during the time that serpent rebalancing info was released and people were comparing serpent to bullseye It really pissed me off when y'all try to act like these defenders are fine when a more difficult one comes along. Bullseye IS NOT EASY AT ALL.
Also, I know I'm in the minority but, I really don't see anything wrong with kabam capitalizing off counters to terrible defenders. Every champion has to bring in their fair amount of money and have something that people who spend money want. Each champion must be unique in some way or have something captivating that attracts spenders. In this case, a counter to a tough defender.
I do agree serpent should've been nerfed and is definitely BROKEN. His kit has TOOO MUCH going on but if there's an opportunity to make money of a counter then what's the problem??? CLASSIC SMART BUSINESS MOVE. Can't hate innovative entrepreneurs for making INNOVATIVE DECISIONS.
This game doesn't run off love, affection and online support. I also really dislike the VOCAL "F2P" keyboard warrior players spamming the "create the problem/disease, sell the cure/solution" on every defender/counter post. YOU LITERALLY DO NOTHING TO SUPPORT THE GAME. Stop trying to make people who spend feel guilty for purchasing what they feel interested in.
Also the ENTITLED F2P players complaining and demanding to get the same rewards as frequent spenders. IF IM READY TO DROP THAT LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY I BETTER GET MY WORTH.
This game is one of the most F2P friendly games I've ever played and kabam have been SO GENEROUS with the rewards meaning a F2P can progress very quickly and reach end game player status quite easily and y'all are not going to pretend like they haven't.
This game runs off money. LET the spenders spend and get their money's worth and let the company MAKE MONEY and keep the game running without feeling entitled and like you were robbed. Thank you very much for this long read.
All of a sudden y'all like photon now like y'all weren't begging kabam to nerf her when she newly came out. And saying her undexable specials were "UNHEALTHY" for the game. As if y'all weren't also complaining about onslaughts unavoidable damage. But now they're just "challenging" and okay???
Y'all were saying the same thing bout bullseye and his INSANE block pen, instant bleeds and LONG ASS killer instinct but up to a few months ago I started seeing forum users saying he's "OKAY" and can be taken with bleed immunes during the time that serpent rebalancing info was released and people were comparing serpent to bullseye It really pissed me off when y'all try to act like these defenders are fine when a more difficult one comes along. Bullseye IS NOT EASY AT ALL.
Also, I know I'm in the minority but, I really don't see anything wrong with kabam capitalizing off counters to terrible defenders. Every champion has to bring in their fair amount of money and have something that people who spend money want. Each champion must be unique in some way or have something captivating that attracts spenders. In this case, a counter to a tough defender.
I do agree serpent should've been nerfed and is definitely BROKEN. His kit has TOOO MUCH going on but if there's an opportunity to make money of a counter then what's the problem??? CLASSIC SMART BUSINESS MOVE. Can't hate innovative entrepreneurs for making INNOVATIVE DECISIONS.
This game doesn't run off love, affection and online support. I also really dislike the VOCAL "F2P" keyboard warrior players spamming the "create the problem/disease, sell the cure/solution" on every defender/counter post. YOU LITERALLY DO NOTHING TO SUPPORT THE GAME. Stop trying to make people who spend feel guilty for purchasing what they feel interested in.
Also the ENTITLED F2P players complaining and demanding to get the same rewards as frequent spenders. IF IM READY TO DROP THAT LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY I BETTER GET MY WORTH.
This game is one of the most F2P friendly games I've ever played and kabam have been SO GENEROUS with the rewards meaning a F2P can progress very quickly and reach end game player status quite easily and y'all are not going to pretend like they haven't.
This game runs off money. LET the spenders spend and get their money's worth and let the company MAKE MONEY and keep the game running without feeling entitled and like you were robbed. Thank you very much for this long read.
When Photon came out we were inexperienced in fighting her, and like any new defender there was a learning curve for the community to go through. Once that happened, we realized there actually was some skill expression when fighting her so the community calmed down.
With bullseye he was again scarier at release than he is now. However I do think it’s pretty silly to compare the community’s opinion on photon to their opinion on bullseye, because it’s not even close to the same. I still believe bullseye is stupid, and the only reason there are people who don’t mind him anymore is because he has a decent few counters and some of them can completely nuke him.
Now let’s look at serpent. He’s been out for 8 months, the community has had lots of time to learn him, and yet the vast majority of us still believe he’s overtuned. Why? Because he has neither of the things that I mentioned above. Very few counters, can’t be taken under 50s consistently, and no room for skill expression. Comparing him to bullseye or photon is laughably inaccurate, he’s far beyond the two of them.
As I mentioned in my previous post, selling counters to a tough defender would be completely fine if the defender was balanced, but he’s not. I can hate on this decision because it’s bad for game health and if they keep this up they’re going to hurt bgs & aw even more.
Also what the heck is this ftp bashing argument I keep seeing? Can someone who is ftp not give a legitimate criticism for the overall health of the game? Is their opinion immediately irrelevant because they don’t spend on the game? People like to say this game would die without spenders, but never mention that it would die without the ftp as well. Both groups are very important.
And again they don’t need to make bad decisions to give something for whales to spend on. There are creative healthy ways to make money too yk. If they keep this up they’re gonna lose more money than they gain in the long run by hurting the most popular game mode they have.
At least so far Spiral isn't like Patriot where they are only made to counter one specific defender.
Hopefully. I had this same concern with shathra and she seems to great elsewhere too.
Destroyer should’ve been able to destroy death immunity buffs first.
Minor salt aside, she looks neat. A complete Serpent counter is frankly enough on its own to make her worthwhile considering Serpent’s status as the undisputed best defender and really the only defender that can “guarantee” you wins in bg, but she looks like she can do enough in other matchups too. Counters things like unblockable buffs and Maestro’s glancing, and has effectively triple immunities with her sig ability. Some defensive value too, the dancing blades triggering when struck sounds like a recipe for major annoyance. Only caveat seems to be her skill cap with the whole alternating actions thing, but I’m sure people will crack her play style soon enough.
Also not really on the subject but dang that 60 FPS looks nice, let’s hope it isn’t laggy as hell when it gets into our hands.
You nailed it. Everything that was suggested to raise Destroyer from mid/niche to useful somehow made it into this kit. The fact that she can destroy buffs it can’t with very little ask is hilarious. The mechanic is named after him but he’s already the worst at it.
And Dazzler looks like she got all of Negasonics requested damage.
As much as I’m happy to have what looks like two good attackers, I’m equally annoyed that the only reason certain champs were called balanced was to sell these ones.
I get this is just the cycle but it feels a bit worse this time around.
Destroyer should’ve been able to destroy death immunity buffs first.
Minor salt aside, she looks neat. A complete Serpent counter is frankly enough on its own to make her worthwhile considering Serpent’s status as the undisputed best defender and really the only defender that can “guarantee” you wins in bg, but she looks like she can do enough in other matchups too. Counters things like unblockable buffs and Maestro’s glancing, and has effectively triple immunities with her sig ability. Some defensive value too, the dancing blades triggering when struck sounds like a recipe for major annoyance. Only caveat seems to be her skill cap with the whole alternating actions thing, but I’m sure people will crack her play style soon enough.
Also not really on the subject but dang that 60 FPS looks nice, let’s hope it isn’t laggy as hell when it gets into our hands.
You nailed it. Everything that was suggested to raise Destroyer from mid/niche to useful somehow made it into this kit. The fact that she can destroy buffs it can’t with very little ask is hilarious. The mechanic is named after him but he’s already the worst at it.
And Dazzler looks like she got all of Negasonics requested damage.
As much as I’m happy to have what looks like two good attackers, I’m equally annoyed that the only reason certain champs were called balanced was to sell these ones.
I get this is just the cycle but it feels a bit worse this time around.
It's ironic that it's called the Destroyer but it can only destroy a few buffs lol 😂
Destroyer should’ve been able to destroy death immunity buffs first.
Minor salt aside, she looks neat. A complete Serpent counter is frankly enough on its own to make her worthwhile considering Serpent’s status as the undisputed best defender and really the only defender that can “guarantee” you wins in bg, but she looks like she can do enough in other matchups too. Counters things like unblockable buffs and Maestro’s glancing, and has effectively triple immunities with her sig ability. Some defensive value too, the dancing blades triggering when struck sounds like a recipe for major annoyance. Only caveat seems to be her skill cap with the whole alternating actions thing, but I’m sure people will crack her play style soon enough.
Also not really on the subject but dang that 60 FPS looks nice, let’s hope it isn’t laggy as hell when it gets into our hands.
You nailed it. Everything that was suggested to raise Destroyer from mid/niche to useful somehow made it into this kit. The fact that she can destroy buffs it can’t with very little ask is hilarious. The mechanic is named after him but he’s already the worst at it.
And Dazzler looks like she got all of Negasonics requested damage.
As much as I’m happy to have what looks like two good attackers, I’m equally annoyed that the only reason certain champs were called balanced was to sell these ones.
I get this is just the cycle but it feels a bit worse this time around.
It's ironic that it's called the Destroyer but it can only destroy a few buffs lol 😂
When I saw that she gets to destroy any buff… well his balance announcement made so much more $en$e.
All of a sudden y'all like photon now like y'all weren't begging kabam to nerf her when she newly came out. And saying her undexable specials were "UNHEALTHY" for the game. As if y'all weren't also complaining about onslaughts unavoidable damage. But now they're just "challenging" and okay???
Y'all were saying the same thing bout bullseye and his INSANE block pen, instant bleeds and LONG ASS killer instinct but up to a few months ago I started seeing forum users saying he's "OKAY" and can be taken with bleed immunes during the time that serpent rebalancing info was released and people were comparing serpent to bullseye It really pissed me off when y'all try to act like these defenders are fine when a more difficult one comes along. Bullseye IS NOT EASY AT ALL.
Also, I know I'm in the minority but, I really don't see anything wrong with kabam capitalizing off counters to terrible defenders. Every champion has to bring in their fair amount of money and have something that people who spend money want. Each champion must be unique in some way or have something captivating that attracts spenders. In this case, a counter to a tough defender.
I do agree serpent should've been nerfed and is definitely BROKEN. His kit has TOOO MUCH going on but if there's an opportunity to make money of a counter then what's the problem??? CLASSIC SMART BUSINESS MOVE. Can't hate innovative entrepreneurs for making INNOVATIVE DECISIONS.
This game doesn't run off love, affection and online support. I also really dislike the VOCAL "F2P" keyboard warrior players spamming the "create the problem/disease, sell the cure/solution" on every defender/counter post. YOU LITERALLY DO NOTHING TO SUPPORT THE GAME. Stop trying to make people who spend feel guilty for purchasing what they feel interested in.
Also the ENTITLED F2P players complaining and demanding to get the same rewards as frequent spenders. IF IM READY TO DROP THAT LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY I BETTER GET MY WORTH.
This game is one of the most F2P friendly games I've ever played and kabam have been SO GENEROUS with the rewards meaning a F2P can progress very quickly and reach end game player status quite easily and y'all are not going to pretend like they haven't.
This game runs off money. LET the spenders spend and get their money's worth and let the company MAKE MONEY and keep the game running without feeling entitled and like you were robbed. Thank you very much for this long read.
this got more disagrees than it should have.
everyone will be chasing spiral and probably dazzler now. we feel bad and left out, either because our spending bracket doesn't let us get a good shot at her or because we r3'd serpent and bullseye, but whatever the reason this design philosophy keeps the game alive and whether we know it or not, actually motivates us to play and or spend more.
the game needs new problems that we can't just run over with the 50 different copies of champs that already covers every problem. we need new stuff.
All of a sudden y'all like photon now like y'all weren't begging kabam to nerf her when she newly came out. And saying her undexable specials were "UNHEALTHY" for the game. As if y'all weren't also complaining about onslaughts unavoidable damage. But now they're just "challenging" and okay???
Y'all were saying the same thing bout bullseye and his INSANE block pen, instant bleeds and LONG ASS killer instinct but up to a few months ago I started seeing forum users saying he's "OKAY" and can be taken with bleed immunes during the time that serpent rebalancing info was released and people were comparing serpent to bullseye It really pissed me off when y'all try to act like these defenders are fine when a more difficult one comes along. Bullseye IS NOT EASY AT ALL.
Also, I know I'm in the minority but, I really don't see anything wrong with kabam capitalizing off counters to terrible defenders. Every champion has to bring in their fair amount of money and have something that people who spend money want. Each champion must be unique in some way or have something captivating that attracts spenders. In this case, a counter to a tough defender.
I do agree serpent should've been nerfed and is definitely BROKEN. His kit has TOOO MUCH going on but if there's an opportunity to make money of a counter then what's the problem??? CLASSIC SMART BUSINESS MOVE. Can't hate innovative entrepreneurs for making INNOVATIVE DECISIONS.
This game doesn't run off love, affection and online support. I also really dislike the VOCAL "F2P" keyboard warrior players spamming the "create the problem/disease, sell the cure/solution" on every defender/counter post. YOU LITERALLY DO NOTHING TO SUPPORT THE GAME. Stop trying to make people who spend feel guilty for purchasing what they feel interested in.
Also the ENTITLED F2P players complaining and demanding to get the same rewards as frequent spenders. IF IM READY TO DROP THAT LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY I BETTER GET MY WORTH.
This game is one of the most F2P friendly games I've ever played and kabam have been SO GENEROUS with the rewards meaning a F2P can progress very quickly and reach end game player status quite easily and y'all are not going to pretend like they haven't.
This game runs off money. LET the spenders spend and get their money's worth and let the company MAKE MONEY and keep the game running without feeling entitled and like you were robbed. Thank you very much for this long read.
Ok then? How long will this cycle of create a prob and sell a sol will continue. If they continue creating unfair defendeds and their counters, within few years you'll see bgs having the exact 30 champs in All decks.
In early seasons you could see a wide variety of bg defenders from abs man doom killmonger domino peni etc. Nowadays there's like 5-6 champs they repeatedly spam, domino, onslaught maestro serpent bullseye photon red skull. You rarely see other defenders even being drafted. This just creates a complex chain of boring interactions.
And the ftp bash is unnecessary, by your logic non Income tax payers in a country shouldn't be able to vote? And every spender is once a ftp. We are not freeloaders, we are "potential spenders". And most spenders complaint about serpent and now kabam milking over him. So the argument is now valid?
She looks good. More of a serpent counter, but does other comics pretty well it seems. Definitely a cool champ.
But I really want a solid nullify/neutralize champ lol it's been a long time they released solid buff control champ I hope next mystic have solid nullify/stagger/neutralize mechanics.
What? Last mystic was enchantress who has all forms of buff control
She looks good. More of a serpent counter, but does other comics pretty well it seems. Definitely a cool champ.
But I really want a solid nullify/neutralize champ lol it's been a long time they released solid buff control champ I hope next mystic have solid nullify/stagger/neutralize mechanics.
What? Last mystic was enchantress who has all forms of buff control
She has nullify aura which is fine, but her neutralize is dogsh*t. And I'm talking about someone who is useful in short fights, and has good buff control, like hood and wiccan.
But I really want a solid nullify/neutralize champ lol it's been a long time they released solid buff control champ I hope next mystic have solid nullify/stagger/neutralize mechanics.
100% - it's been far too long.
The last one was Kushala
Enchantress has solid nullify
Yeah true plus neutralize and atrophy but you aren't gonna be using her in BGs offense. She's a questing champ on offense.
All of a sudden y'all like photon now like y'all weren't begging kabam to nerf her when she newly came out. And saying her undexable specials were "UNHEALTHY" for the game. As if y'all weren't also complaining about onslaughts unavoidable damage. But now they're just "challenging" and okay???
Y'all were saying the same thing bout bullseye and his INSANE block pen, instant bleeds and LONG ASS killer instinct but up to a few months ago I started seeing forum users saying he's "OKAY" and can be taken with bleed immunes during the time that serpent rebalancing info was released and people were comparing serpent to bullseye It really pissed me off when y'all try to act like these defenders are fine when a more difficult one comes along. Bullseye IS NOT EASY AT ALL.
Also, I know I'm in the minority but, I really don't see anything wrong with kabam capitalizing off counters to terrible defenders. Every champion has to bring in their fair amount of money and have something that people who spend money want. Each champion must be unique in some way or have something captivating that attracts spenders. In this case, a counter to a tough defender.
I do agree serpent should've been nerfed and is definitely BROKEN. His kit has TOOO MUCH going on but if there's an opportunity to make money of a counter then what's the problem??? CLASSIC SMART BUSINESS MOVE. Can't hate innovative entrepreneurs for making INNOVATIVE DECISIONS.
This game doesn't run off love, affection and online support. I also really dislike the VOCAL "F2P" keyboard warrior players spamming the "create the problem/disease, sell the cure/solution" on every defender/counter post. YOU LITERALLY DO NOTHING TO SUPPORT THE GAME. Stop trying to make people who spend feel guilty for purchasing what they feel interested in.
Also the ENTITLED F2P players complaining and demanding to get the same rewards as frequent spenders. IF IM READY TO DROP THAT LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY I BETTER GET MY WORTH.
This game is one of the most F2P friendly games I've ever played and kabam have been SO GENEROUS with the rewards meaning a F2P can progress very quickly and reach end game player status quite easily and y'all are not going to pretend like they haven't.
This game runs off money. LET the spenders spend and get their money's worth and let the company MAKE MONEY and keep the game running without feeling entitled and like you were robbed. Thank you very much for this long read.
this got more disagrees than it should have.
everyone will be chasing spiral and probably dazzler now. we feel bad and left out, either because our spending bracket doesn't let us get a good shot at her or because we r3'd serpent and bullseye, but whatever the reason this design philosophy keeps the game alive and whether we know it or not, actually motivates us to play and or spend more.
the game needs new problems that we can't just run over with the 50 different copies of champs that already covers every problem. we need new stuff.
Nothing wrong with the cycle of creating new things that need new and better solutions. But they went out to extremes with Serpent and Bullseye that have unquestionably damaged the game in 2024. Extremes that shouldn’t be applauded, even when they sell the solutions.
I think Onslaught and Photon are the benchmarks here on what’s punishing but fun in a defensive kit (Ignoring Onslaught’s AI). Jack is a desirable champ, he looks great and solves a problem for players that are struggling learning the Dexes and Punishes of Onslaught
Spiral as cool as she looks has been introduced with all the subtly of ShamWow! And the Serpent remains imbalanced
All of a sudden y'all like photon now like y'all weren't begging kabam to nerf her when she newly came out. And saying her undexable specials were "UNHEALTHY" for the game. As if y'all weren't also complaining about onslaughts unavoidable damage. But now they're just "challenging" and okay???
Y'all were saying the same thing bout bullseye and his INSANE block pen, instant bleeds and LONG ASS killer instinct but up to a few months ago I started seeing forum users saying he's "OKAY" and can be taken with bleed immunes during the time that serpent rebalancing info was released and people were comparing serpent to bullseye It really pissed me off when y'all try to act like these defenders are fine when a more difficult one comes along. Bullseye IS NOT EASY AT ALL.
Also, I know I'm in the minority but, I really don't see anything wrong with kabam capitalizing off counters to terrible defenders. Every champion has to bring in their fair amount of money and have something that people who spend money want. Each champion must be unique in some way or have something captivating that attracts spenders. In this case, a counter to a tough defender.
I do agree serpent should've been nerfed and is definitely BROKEN. His kit has TOOO MUCH going on but if there's an opportunity to make money of a counter then what's the problem??? CLASSIC SMART BUSINESS MOVE. Can't hate innovative entrepreneurs for making INNOVATIVE DECISIONS.
This game doesn't run off love, affection and online support. I also really dislike the VOCAL "F2P" keyboard warrior players spamming the "create the problem/disease, sell the cure/solution" on every defender/counter post. YOU LITERALLY DO NOTHING TO SUPPORT THE GAME. Stop trying to make people who spend feel guilty for purchasing what they feel interested in.
Also the ENTITLED F2P players complaining and demanding to get the same rewards as frequent spenders. IF IM READY TO DROP THAT LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY I BETTER GET MY WORTH.
This game is one of the most F2P friendly games I've ever played and kabam have been SO GENEROUS with the rewards meaning a F2P can progress very quickly and reach end game player status quite easily and y'all are not going to pretend like they haven't.
This game runs off money. LET the spenders spend and get their money's worth and let the company MAKE MONEY and keep the game running without feeling entitled and like you were robbed. Thank you very much for this long read.
this got more disagrees than it should have.
everyone will be chasing spiral and probably dazzler now. we feel bad and left out, either because our spending bracket doesn't let us get a good shot at her or because we r3'd serpent and bullseye, but whatever the reason this design philosophy keeps the game alive and whether we know it or not, actually motivates us to play and or spend more.
the game needs new problems that we can't just run over with the 50 different copies of champs that already covers every problem. we need new stuff.
Cmon man you used this same argument in the serpent rebalancing thread repeatedly and it’s been refuted both there and here.
Tell me why this strategy wouldn’t have worked if serpent was at a balanced level but still the top defender in the game? You think people wouldn’t want a hard counter to the top defender? But at least that way we don’t deal with all the problems and unbalanced defender brings to the game.
All of a sudden y'all like photon now like y'all weren't begging kabam to nerf her when she newly came out. And saying her undexable specials were "UNHEALTHY" for the game. As if y'all weren't also complaining about onslaughts unavoidable damage. But now they're just "challenging" and okay???
Y'all were saying the same thing bout bullseye and his INSANE block pen, instant bleeds and LONG ASS killer instinct but up to a few months ago I started seeing forum users saying he's "OKAY" and can be taken with bleed immunes during the time that serpent rebalancing info was released and people were comparing serpent to bullseye It really pissed me off when y'all try to act like these defenders are fine when a more difficult one comes along. Bullseye IS NOT EASY AT ALL.
Also, I know I'm in the minority but, I really don't see anything wrong with kabam capitalizing off counters to terrible defenders. Every champion has to bring in their fair amount of money and have something that people who spend money want. Each champion must be unique in some way or have something captivating that attracts spenders. In this case, a counter to a tough defender.
I do agree serpent should've been nerfed and is definitely BROKEN. His kit has TOOO MUCH going on but if there's an opportunity to make money of a counter then what's the problem??? CLASSIC SMART BUSINESS MOVE. Can't hate innovative entrepreneurs for making INNOVATIVE DECISIONS.
This game doesn't run off love, affection and online support. I also really dislike the VOCAL "F2P" keyboard warrior players spamming the "create the problem/disease, sell the cure/solution" on every defender/counter post. YOU LITERALLY DO NOTHING TO SUPPORT THE GAME. Stop trying to make people who spend feel guilty for purchasing what they feel interested in.
Also the ENTITLED F2P players complaining and demanding to get the same rewards as frequent spenders. IF IM READY TO DROP THAT LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY I BETTER GET MY WORTH.
This game is one of the most F2P friendly games I've ever played and kabam have been SO GENEROUS with the rewards meaning a F2P can progress very quickly and reach end game player status quite easily and y'all are not going to pretend like they haven't.
This game runs off money. LET the spenders spend and get their money's worth and let the company MAKE MONEY and keep the game running without feeling entitled and like you were robbed. Thank you very much for this long read.
this got more disagrees than it should have.
everyone will be chasing spiral and probably dazzler now. we feel bad and left out, either because our spending bracket doesn't let us get a good shot at her or because we r3'd serpent and bullseye, but whatever the reason this design philosophy keeps the game alive and whether we know it or not, actually motivates us to play and or spend more.
the game needs new problems that we can't just run over with the 50 different copies of champs that already covers every problem. we need new stuff.
Nothing wrong with the cycle of creating new things that need new and better solutions. But they went out to extremes with Serpent and Bullseye that have unquestionably damaged the game in 2024. Extremes that shouldn’t be applauded, even when they sell the solutions.
I think Onslaught and Photon are the benchmarks here on what’s punishing but fun in a defensive kit (Ignoring Onslaught’s AI). Jack is a desirable champ, he looks great and solves a problem for players that are struggling learning the Dexes and Punishes of Onslaught
Spiral as cool as she looks has been introduced with all the subtly of ShamWow! And the Serpent remains imbalanced
plus Jack is not just for Onslaught as he can do other fights as well (I need to get my review out soon lol). That's my problem with Patriot as right now he's just a photon counter, I don't see him being used at all besides vs Photon
All of a sudden y'all like photon now like y'all weren't begging kabam to nerf her when she newly came out. And saying her undexable specials were "UNHEALTHY" for the game. As if y'all weren't also complaining about onslaughts unavoidable damage. But now they're just "challenging" and okay???
Y'all were saying the same thing bout bullseye and his INSANE block pen, instant bleeds and LONG ASS killer instinct but up to a few months ago I started seeing forum users saying he's "OKAY" and can be taken with bleed immunes during the time that serpent rebalancing info was released and people were comparing serpent to bullseye It really pissed me off when y'all try to act like these defenders are fine when a more difficult one comes along. Bullseye IS NOT EASY AT ALL.
Also, I know I'm in the minority but, I really don't see anything wrong with kabam capitalizing off counters to terrible defenders. Every champion has to bring in their fair amount of money and have something that people who spend money want. Each champion must be unique in some way or have something captivating that attracts spenders. In this case, a counter to a tough defender.
I do agree serpent should've been nerfed and is definitely BROKEN. His kit has TOOO MUCH going on but if there's an opportunity to make money of a counter then what's the problem??? CLASSIC SMART BUSINESS MOVE. Can't hate innovative entrepreneurs for making INNOVATIVE DECISIONS.
This game doesn't run off love, affection and online support. I also really dislike the VOCAL "F2P" keyboard warrior players spamming the "create the problem/disease, sell the cure/solution" on every defender/counter post. YOU LITERALLY DO NOTHING TO SUPPORT THE GAME. Stop trying to make people who spend feel guilty for purchasing what they feel interested in.
Also the ENTITLED F2P players complaining and demanding to get the same rewards as frequent spenders. IF IM READY TO DROP THAT LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY I BETTER GET MY WORTH.
This game is one of the most F2P friendly games I've ever played and kabam have been SO GENEROUS with the rewards meaning a F2P can progress very quickly and reach end game player status quite easily and y'all are not going to pretend like they haven't.
This game runs off money. LET the spenders spend and get their money's worth and let the company MAKE MONEY and keep the game running without feeling entitled and like you were robbed. Thank you very much for this long read.
Ok then? How long will this cycle of create a prob and sell a sol will continue. If they continue creating unfair defendeds and their counters, within few years you'll see bgs having the exact 30 champs in All decks.
In early seasons you could see a wide variety of bg defenders from abs man doom killmonger domino peni etc. Nowadays there's like 5-6 champs they repeatedly spam, domino, onslaught maestro serpent bullseye photon red skull. You rarely see other defenders even being drafted. This just creates a complex chain of boring interactions.
That complex chain of boring interactions *is already* in effect. Its been in effect since they started releasing these "DLL Style" of defenders in 2023/24. General nuke attackers like Sunspot, Hype, Venom, Gamora have the damage but not the versatility to take on a lot of these matchups so you see them less and less in peoples decks. Within a few months at this rate you'll see the same happen to silk/hulk
All of a sudden y'all like photon now like y'all weren't begging kabam to nerf her when she newly came out. And saying her undexable specials were "UNHEALTHY" for the game. As if y'all weren't also complaining about onslaughts unavoidable damage. But now they're just "challenging" and okay???
Y'all were saying the same thing bout bullseye and his INSANE block pen, instant bleeds and LONG ASS killer instinct but up to a few months ago I started seeing forum users saying he's "OKAY" and can be taken with bleed immunes during the time that serpent rebalancing info was released and people were comparing serpent to bullseye It really pissed me off when y'all try to act like these defenders are fine when a more difficult one comes along. Bullseye IS NOT EASY AT ALL.
Also, I know I'm in the minority but, I really don't see anything wrong with kabam capitalizing off counters to terrible defenders. Every champion has to bring in their fair amount of money and have something that people who spend money want. Each champion must be unique in some way or have something captivating that attracts spenders. In this case, a counter to a tough defender.
I do agree serpent should've been nerfed and is definitely BROKEN. His kit has TOOO MUCH going on but if there's an opportunity to make money of a counter then what's the problem??? CLASSIC SMART BUSINESS MOVE. Can't hate innovative entrepreneurs for making INNOVATIVE DECISIONS.
This game doesn't run off love, affection and online support. I also really dislike the VOCAL "F2P" keyboard warrior players spamming the "create the problem/disease, sell the cure/solution" on every defender/counter post. YOU LITERALLY DO NOTHING TO SUPPORT THE GAME. Stop trying to make people who spend feel guilty for purchasing what they feel interested in.
Also the ENTITLED F2P players complaining and demanding to get the same rewards as frequent spenders. IF IM READY TO DROP THAT LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY I BETTER GET MY WORTH.
This game is one of the most F2P friendly games I've ever played and kabam have been SO GENEROUS with the rewards meaning a F2P can progress very quickly and reach end game player status quite easily and y'all are not going to pretend like they haven't.
This game runs off money. LET the spenders spend and get their money's worth and let the company MAKE MONEY and keep the game running without feeling entitled and like you were robbed. Thank you very much for this long read.
this got more disagrees than it should have.
everyone will be chasing spiral and probably dazzler now. we feel bad and left out, either because our spending bracket doesn't let us get a good shot at her or because we r3'd serpent and bullseye, but whatever the reason this design philosophy keeps the game alive and whether we know it or not, actually motivates us to play and or spend more.
the game needs new problems that we can't just run over with the 50 different copies of champs that already covers every problem. we need new stuff.
Cmon man you used this same argument in the serpent rebalancing thread repeatedly and it’s been refuted both there and here.
Tell me why this strategy wouldn’t have worked if serpent was at a balanced level but still the top defender in the game? You think people wouldn’t want a hard counter to the top defender? But at least that way we don’t deal with all the problems and unbalanced defender brings to the game.
fair...
you guys bring up a good point that decks are just repeating onslaught, bullseye, serpent ad nauseam and that there used to be a lot more variance to bgs, so i don't know how to respond to that.
BGs isn't very fun like it was last year. whoever gets those defenders basically wins and there used to be more variance back then. now it's whoever gets those defenders and their counters wins.
All of a sudden y'all like photon now like y'all weren't begging kabam to nerf her when she newly came out. And saying her undexable specials were "UNHEALTHY" for the game. As if y'all weren't also complaining about onslaughts unavoidable damage. But now they're just "challenging" and okay???
Y'all were saying the same thing bout bullseye and his INSANE block pen, instant bleeds and LONG ASS killer instinct but up to a few months ago I started seeing forum users saying he's "OKAY" and can be taken with bleed immunes during the time that serpent rebalancing info was released and people were comparing serpent to bullseye It really pissed me off when y'all try to act like these defenders are fine when a more difficult one comes along. Bullseye IS NOT EASY AT ALL.
Also, I know I'm in the minority but, I really don't see anything wrong with kabam capitalizing off counters to terrible defenders. Every champion has to bring in their fair amount of money and have something that people who spend money want. Each champion must be unique in some way or have something captivating that attracts spenders. In this case, a counter to a tough defender.
I do agree serpent should've been nerfed and is definitely BROKEN. His kit has TOOO MUCH going on but if there's an opportunity to make money of a counter then what's the problem??? CLASSIC SMART BUSINESS MOVE. Can't hate innovative entrepreneurs for making INNOVATIVE DECISIONS.
This game doesn't run off love, affection and online support. I also really dislike the VOCAL "F2P" keyboard warrior players spamming the "create the problem/disease, sell the cure/solution" on every defender/counter post. YOU LITERALLY DO NOTHING TO SUPPORT THE GAME. Stop trying to make people who spend feel guilty for purchasing what they feel interested in.
Also the ENTITLED F2P players complaining and demanding to get the same rewards as frequent spenders. IF IM READY TO DROP THAT LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY I BETTER GET MY WORTH.
This game is one of the most F2P friendly games I've ever played and kabam have been SO GENEROUS with the rewards meaning a F2P can progress very quickly and reach end game player status quite easily and y'all are not going to pretend like they haven't.
This game runs off money. LET the spenders spend and get their money's worth and let the company MAKE MONEY and keep the game running without feeling entitled and like you were robbed. Thank you very much for this long read.
Ok then? How long will this cycle of create a prob and sell a sol will continue. If they continue creating unfair defendeds and their counters, within few years you'll see bgs having the exact 30 champs in All decks.
In early seasons you could see a wide variety of bg defenders from abs man doom killmonger domino peni etc. Nowadays there's like 5-6 champs they repeatedly spam, domino, onslaught maestro serpent bullseye photon red skull. You rarely see other defenders even being drafted. This just creates a complex chain of boring interactions.
General nuke attackers like Sunspot, Hype, Venom, Gamora have the damage but not the versatility to take on a lot of these matchups so you see them less and less in peoples decks. Within a few months at this rate you'll see the same happen to silk/hulk
i agree, those great attackers are seeing less use and it's not a good feeling.
All of a sudden y'all like photon now like y'all weren't begging kabam to nerf her when she newly came out. And saying her undexable specials were "UNHEALTHY" for the game. As if y'all weren't also complaining about onslaughts unavoidable damage. But now they're just "challenging" and okay???
Y'all were saying the same thing bout bullseye and his INSANE block pen, instant bleeds and LONG ASS killer instinct but up to a few months ago I started seeing forum users saying he's "OKAY" and can be taken with bleed immunes during the time that serpent rebalancing info was released and people were comparing serpent to bullseye It really pissed me off when y'all try to act like these defenders are fine when a more difficult one comes along. Bullseye IS NOT EASY AT ALL.
Also, I know I'm in the minority but, I really don't see anything wrong with kabam capitalizing off counters to terrible defenders. Every champion has to bring in their fair amount of money and have something that people who spend money want. Each champion must be unique in some way or have something captivating that attracts spenders. In this case, a counter to a tough defender.
I do agree serpent should've been nerfed and is definitely BROKEN. His kit has TOOO MUCH going on but if there's an opportunity to make money of a counter then what's the problem??? CLASSIC SMART BUSINESS MOVE. Can't hate innovative entrepreneurs for making INNOVATIVE DECISIONS.
This game doesn't run off love, affection and online support. I also really dislike the VOCAL "F2P" keyboard warrior players spamming the "create the problem/disease, sell the cure/solution" on every defender/counter post. YOU LITERALLY DO NOTHING TO SUPPORT THE GAME. Stop trying to make people who spend feel guilty for purchasing what they feel interested in.
Also the ENTITLED F2P players complaining and demanding to get the same rewards as frequent spenders. IF IM READY TO DROP THAT LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY I BETTER GET MY WORTH.
This game is one of the most F2P friendly games I've ever played and kabam have been SO GENEROUS with the rewards meaning a F2P can progress very quickly and reach end game player status quite easily and y'all are not going to pretend like they haven't.
This game runs off money. LET the spenders spend and get their money's worth and let the company MAKE MONEY and keep the game running without feeling entitled and like you were robbed. Thank you very much for this long read.
this got more disagrees than it should have.
everyone will be chasing spiral and probably dazzler now. we feel bad and left out, either because our spending bracket doesn't let us get a good shot at her or because we r3'd serpent and bullseye, but whatever the reason this design philosophy keeps the game alive and whether we know it or not, actually motivates us to play and or spend more.
the game needs new problems that we can't just run over with the 50 different copies of champs that already covers every problem. we need new stuff.
Cmon man you used this same argument in the serpent rebalancing thread repeatedly and it’s been refuted both there and here.
Tell me why this strategy wouldn’t have worked if serpent was at a balanced level but still the top defender in the game? You think people wouldn’t want a hard counter to the top defender? But at least that way we don’t deal with all the problems and unbalanced defender brings to the game.
fair...
you guys bring up a good point that decks are just repeating onslaught, bullseye, serpent ad nauseam and that there used to be a lot more variance to bgs, so i don't know how to respond to that.
BGs isn't very fun like it was last year. whoever gets those defenders basically wins and there used to be more variance back then. now it's whoever gets those defenders and their counters wins.
This exactly. It goes further than just fighting the same defenders too, because like I said champs like serpent and bullseye have no nuance whatsoever, so the only way to deal with them is to use a counter. That means I have to use the same select counters over and over again because nobody else works. There’s no element of being able to creatively work around the problem, because the punishment is simply unavoidable damage.
Defenders are supposed to be problems that you learn to solve through a creative and interactive approach. The fun part of defenders is presenting a challenge that you have to use your talents and creativity to overcome, but serpent and bullseye are different. They don’t let you come up with a solution, they look at 80% of the solutions that would normally work and say “erm ackshually no” with some bs line in their kits. This is what leads to the lack of variety problem, the fact that there’s nothing the player can do to solve the problems they present except “git lucky.”
I feel so strongly about this issue because it genuinely has sucked out the fun I got from bgs. I don’t want to rely on luck, I don’t even want to win because my luck was better, that feels unearned. I want to prove why I got that win or understand that I lost to someone who was simply better than me, and not simply luckier. I don’t think that’s asking for too much.
All of a sudden y'all like photon now like y'all weren't begging kabam to nerf her when she newly came out. And saying her undexable specials were "UNHEALTHY" for the game. As if y'all weren't also complaining about onslaughts unavoidable damage. But now they're just "challenging" and okay???
Y'all were saying the same thing bout bullseye and his INSANE block pen, instant bleeds and LONG ASS killer instinct but up to a few months ago I started seeing forum users saying he's "OKAY" and can be taken with bleed immunes during the time that serpent rebalancing info was released and people were comparing serpent to bullseye It really pissed me off when y'all try to act like these defenders are fine when a more difficult one comes along. Bullseye IS NOT EASY AT ALL.
Also, I know I'm in the minority but, I really don't see anything wrong with kabam capitalizing off counters to terrible defenders. Every champion has to bring in their fair amount of money and have something that people who spend money want. Each champion must be unique in some way or have something captivating that attracts spenders. In this case, a counter to a tough defender.
I do agree serpent should've been nerfed and is definitely BROKEN. His kit has TOOO MUCH going on but if there's an opportunity to make money of a counter then what's the problem??? CLASSIC SMART BUSINESS MOVE. Can't hate innovative entrepreneurs for making INNOVATIVE DECISIONS.
This game doesn't run off love, affection and online support. I also really dislike the VOCAL "F2P" keyboard warrior players spamming the "create the problem/disease, sell the cure/solution" on every defender/counter post. YOU LITERALLY DO NOTHING TO SUPPORT THE GAME. Stop trying to make people who spend feel guilty for purchasing what they feel interested in.
Also the ENTITLED F2P players complaining and demanding to get the same rewards as frequent spenders. IF IM READY TO DROP THAT LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY I BETTER GET MY WORTH.
This game is one of the most F2P friendly games I've ever played and kabam have been SO GENEROUS with the rewards meaning a F2P can progress very quickly and reach end game player status quite easily and y'all are not going to pretend like they haven't.
This game runs off money. LET the spenders spend and get their money's worth and let the company MAKE MONEY and keep the game running without feeling entitled and like you were robbed. Thank you very much for this long read.
this got more disagrees than it should have.
everyone will be chasing spiral and probably dazzler now. we feel bad and left out, either because our spending bracket doesn't let us get a good shot at her or because we r3'd serpent and bullseye, but whatever the reason this design philosophy keeps the game alive and whether we know it or not, actually motivates us to play and or spend more.
the game needs new problems that we can't just run over with the 50 different copies of champs that already covers every problem. we need new stuff.
Cmon man you used this same argument in the serpent rebalancing thread repeatedly and it’s been refuted both there and here.
Tell me why this strategy wouldn’t have worked if serpent was at a balanced level but still the top defender in the game? You think people wouldn’t want a hard counter to the top defender? But at least that way we don’t deal with all the problems and unbalanced defender brings to the game.
fair...
you guys bring up a good point that decks are just repeating onslaught, bullseye, serpent ad nauseam and that there used to be a lot more variance to bgs, so i don't know how to respond to that.
BGs isn't very fun like it was last year. whoever gets those defenders basically wins and there used to be more variance back then. now it's whoever gets those defenders and their counters wins.
This exactly. It goes further than just fighting the same defenders too, because like I said champs like serpent and bullseye have no nuance whatsoever, so the only way to deal with them is to use a counter. That means I have to use the same select counters over and over again because nobody else works. There’s no element of being able to creatively work around the problem, because the punishment is simply unavoidable damage.
Defenders are supposed to be problems that you learn to solve through a creative and interactive approach. The fun part of defenders is presenting a challenge that you have to use your talents and creativity to overcome, but serpent and bullseye are different. They don’t let you come up with a solution, they look at 80% of the solutions that would normally work and say “erm ackshually no” with some bs line in their kits. This is what leads to the lack of variety problem, the fact that there’s nothing the player can do to solve the problems they present except “git lucky.”
I feel so strongly about this issue because it genuinely has sucked out the fun I got from bgs. I don’t want to rely on luck, I don’t even want to win because my luck was better, that feels unearned. I want to prove why I got that win or understand that I lost to someone who was simply better than me, and not simply luckier. I don’t think that’s asking for too much.
I want to double like this post, cuddle it and let it be the big spoon. 💯💯💯
I hope Kabam really sees this as what it’s meant to be. Constructive criticism from a friend because they care, not simply complaining, because it ain’t that.
People who care tell you there’s broccoli in your teeth. And that’s what the likes of Serpent and Bullseye are to the defender rotation and the game.
If Spiral and Dazzler are any indication then turning off the Dex mastery to dodge seems to be the response but I doubt that’s healthy long term
All of a sudden y'all like photon now like y'all weren't begging kabam to nerf her when she newly came out. And saying her undexable specials were "UNHEALTHY" for the game. As if y'all weren't also complaining about onslaughts unavoidable damage. But now they're just "challenging" and okay???
Y'all were saying the same thing bout bullseye and his INSANE block pen, instant bleeds and LONG ASS killer instinct but up to a few months ago I started seeing forum users saying he's "OKAY" and can be taken with bleed immunes during the time that serpent rebalancing info was released and people were comparing serpent to bullseye It really pissed me off when y'all try to act like these defenders are fine when a more difficult one comes along. Bullseye IS NOT EASY AT ALL.
Also, I know I'm in the minority but, I really don't see anything wrong with kabam capitalizing off counters to terrible defenders. Every champion has to bring in their fair amount of money and have something that people who spend money want. Each champion must be unique in some way or have something captivating that attracts spenders. In this case, a counter to a tough defender.
I do agree serpent should've been nerfed and is definitely BROKEN. His kit has TOOO MUCH going on but if there's an opportunity to make money of a counter then what's the problem??? CLASSIC SMART BUSINESS MOVE. Can't hate innovative entrepreneurs for making INNOVATIVE DECISIONS.
This game doesn't run off love, affection and online support. I also really dislike the VOCAL "F2P" keyboard warrior players spamming the "create the problem/disease, sell the cure/solution" on every defender/counter post. YOU LITERALLY DO NOTHING TO SUPPORT THE GAME. Stop trying to make people who spend feel guilty for purchasing what they feel interested in.
Also the ENTITLED F2P players complaining and demanding to get the same rewards as frequent spenders. IF IM READY TO DROP THAT LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY I BETTER GET MY WORTH.
This game is one of the most F2P friendly games I've ever played and kabam have been SO GENEROUS with the rewards meaning a F2P can progress very quickly and reach end game player status quite easily and y'all are not going to pretend like they haven't.
This game runs off money. LET the spenders spend and get their money's worth and let the company MAKE MONEY and keep the game running without feeling entitled and like you were robbed. Thank you very much for this long read.
this got more disagrees than it should have.
everyone will be chasing spiral and probably dazzler now. we feel bad and left out, either because our spending bracket doesn't let us get a good shot at her or because we r3'd serpent and bullseye, but whatever the reason this design philosophy keeps the game alive and whether we know it or not, actually motivates us to play and or spend more.
the game needs new problems that we can't just run over with the 50 different copies of champs that already covers every problem. we need new stuff.
Cmon man you used this same argument in the serpent rebalancing thread repeatedly and it’s been refuted both there and here.
Tell me why this strategy wouldn’t have worked if serpent was at a balanced level but still the top defender in the game? You think people wouldn’t want a hard counter to the top defender? But at least that way we don’t deal with all the problems and unbalanced defender brings to the game.
fair...
you guys bring up a good point that decks are just repeating onslaught, bullseye, serpent ad nauseam and that there used to be a lot more variance to bgs, so i don't know how to respond to that.
BGs isn't very fun like it was last year. whoever gets those defenders basically wins and there used to be more variance back then. now it's whoever gets those defenders and their counters wins.
This exactly. It goes further than just fighting the same defenders too, because like I said champs like serpent and bullseye have no nuance whatsoever, so the only way to deal with them is to use a counter. That means I have to use the same select counters over and over again because nobody else works. There’s no element of being able to creatively work around the problem, because the punishment is simply unavoidable damage.
Defenders are supposed to be problems that you learn to solve through a creative and interactive approach. The fun part of defenders is presenting a challenge that you have to use your talents and creativity to overcome, but serpent and bullseye are different. They don’t let you come up with a solution, they look at 80% of the solutions that would normally work and say “erm ackshually no” with some bs line in their kits. This is what leads to the lack of variety problem, the fact that there’s nothing the player can do to solve the problems they present except “git lucky.”
I feel so strongly about this issue because it genuinely has sucked out the fun I got from bgs. I don’t want to rely on luck, I don’t even want to win because my luck was better, that feels unearned. I want to prove why I got that win or understand that I lost to someone who was simply better than me, and not simply luckier. I don’t think that’s asking for too much.
I want to double like this post, cuddle it and let it be the big spoon. 💯💯💯
I hope Kabam really sees this as what it’s meant to be. Constructive criticism from a friend because they care, not simply complaining, because it ain’t that.
People who care tell you there’s broccoli in your teeth. And that’s what the likes of Serpent and Bullseye are to the defender rotation and the game.
If Spiral and Dazzler are any indication then turning off the Dex mastery to dodge seems to be the response but I doubt that’s healthy long term
How is that not healthy? Turning off dex to dodge can actually be a good thing, for example when fighting mystics they won't benefit much from MD.
All of a sudden y'all like photon now like y'all weren't begging kabam to nerf her when she newly came out. And saying her undexable specials were "UNHEALTHY" for the game. As if y'all weren't also complaining about onslaughts unavoidable damage. But now they're just "challenging" and okay???
Y'all were saying the same thing bout bullseye and his INSANE block pen, instant bleeds and LONG ASS killer instinct but up to a few months ago I started seeing forum users saying he's "OKAY" and can be taken with bleed immunes during the time that serpent rebalancing info was released and people were comparing serpent to bullseye It really pissed me off when y'all try to act like these defenders are fine when a more difficult one comes along. Bullseye IS NOT EASY AT ALL.
Also, I know I'm in the minority but, I really don't see anything wrong with kabam capitalizing off counters to terrible defenders. Every champion has to bring in their fair amount of money and have something that people who spend money want. Each champion must be unique in some way or have something captivating that attracts spenders. In this case, a counter to a tough defender.
I do agree serpent should've been nerfed and is definitely BROKEN. His kit has TOOO MUCH going on but if there's an opportunity to make money of a counter then what's the problem??? CLASSIC SMART BUSINESS MOVE. Can't hate innovative entrepreneurs for making INNOVATIVE DECISIONS.
This game doesn't run off love, affection and online support. I also really dislike the VOCAL "F2P" keyboard warrior players spamming the "create the problem/disease, sell the cure/solution" on every defender/counter post. YOU LITERALLY DO NOTHING TO SUPPORT THE GAME. Stop trying to make people who spend feel guilty for purchasing what they feel interested in.
Also the ENTITLED F2P players complaining and demanding to get the same rewards as frequent spenders. IF IM READY TO DROP THAT LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY I BETTER GET MY WORTH.
This game is one of the most F2P friendly games I've ever played and kabam have been SO GENEROUS with the rewards meaning a F2P can progress very quickly and reach end game player status quite easily and y'all are not going to pretend like they haven't.
This game runs off money. LET the spenders spend and get their money's worth and let the company MAKE MONEY and keep the game running without feeling entitled and like you were robbed. Thank you very much for this long read.
this got more disagrees than it should have.
everyone will be chasing spiral and probably dazzler now. we feel bad and left out, either because our spending bracket doesn't let us get a good shot at her or because we r3'd serpent and bullseye, but whatever the reason this design philosophy keeps the game alive and whether we know it or not, actually motivates us to play and or spend more.
the game needs new problems that we can't just run over with the 50 different copies of champs that already covers every problem. we need new stuff.
Cmon man you used this same argument in the serpent rebalancing thread repeatedly and it’s been refuted both there and here.
Tell me why this strategy wouldn’t have worked if serpent was at a balanced level but still the top defender in the game? You think people wouldn’t want a hard counter to the top defender? But at least that way we don’t deal with all the problems and unbalanced defender brings to the game.
fair...
you guys bring up a good point that decks are just repeating onslaught, bullseye, serpent ad nauseam and that there used to be a lot more variance to bgs, so i don't know how to respond to that.
BGs isn't very fun like it was last year. whoever gets those defenders basically wins and there used to be more variance back then. now it's whoever gets those defenders and their counters wins.
This exactly. It goes further than just fighting the same defenders too, because like I said champs like serpent and bullseye have no nuance whatsoever, so the only way to deal with them is to use a counter. That means I have to use the same select counters over and over again because nobody else works. There’s no element of being able to creatively work around the problem, because the punishment is simply unavoidable damage.
Defenders are supposed to be problems that you learn to solve through a creative and interactive approach. The fun part of defenders is presenting a challenge that you have to use your talents and creativity to overcome, but serpent and bullseye are different. They don’t let you come up with a solution, they look at 80% of the solutions that would normally work and say “erm ackshually no” with some bs line in their kits. This is what leads to the lack of variety problem, the fact that there’s nothing the player can do to solve the problems they present except “git lucky.”
I feel so strongly about this issue because it genuinely has sucked out the fun I got from bgs. I don’t want to rely on luck, I don’t even want to win because my luck was better, that feels unearned. I want to prove why I got that win or understand that I lost to someone who was simply better than me, and not simply luckier. I don’t think that’s asking for too much.
I want to double like this post, cuddle it and let it be the big spoon. 💯💯💯
I hope Kabam really sees this as what it’s meant to be. Constructive criticism from a friend because they care, not simply complaining, because it ain’t that.
People who care tell you there’s broccoli in your teeth. And that’s what the likes of Serpent and Bullseye are to the defender rotation and the game.
If Spiral and Dazzler are any indication then turning off the Dex mastery to dodge seems to be the response but I doubt that’s healthy long term
lol I appreciate it. Even if they don’t see this I’m sure they’ve seen similar feedback, so all we can do is hope they take it into account. I still think kabam has made a lot of smart moves, but I do believe defenders like this could turn into a much bigger issue if not dealt with ahead of time.
All of a sudden y'all like photon now like y'all weren't begging kabam to nerf her when she newly came out. And saying her undexable specials were "UNHEALTHY" for the game. As if y'all weren't also complaining about onslaughts unavoidable damage. But now they're just "challenging" and okay???
Y'all were saying the same thing bout bullseye and his INSANE block pen, instant bleeds and LONG ASS killer instinct but up to a few months ago I started seeing forum users saying he's "OKAY" and can be taken with bleed immunes during the time that serpent rebalancing info was released and people were comparing serpent to bullseye It really pissed me off when y'all try to act like these defenders are fine when a more difficult one comes along. Bullseye IS NOT EASY AT ALL.
Also, I know I'm in the minority but, I really don't see anything wrong with kabam capitalizing off counters to terrible defenders. Every champion has to bring in their fair amount of money and have something that people who spend money want. Each champion must be unique in some way or have something captivating that attracts spenders. In this case, a counter to a tough defender.
I do agree serpent should've been nerfed and is definitely BROKEN. His kit has TOOO MUCH going on but if there's an opportunity to make money of a counter then what's the problem??? CLASSIC SMART BUSINESS MOVE. Can't hate innovative entrepreneurs for making INNOVATIVE DECISIONS.
This game doesn't run off love, affection and online support. I also really dislike the VOCAL "F2P" keyboard warrior players spamming the "create the problem/disease, sell the cure/solution" on every defender/counter post. YOU LITERALLY DO NOTHING TO SUPPORT THE GAME. Stop trying to make people who spend feel guilty for purchasing what they feel interested in.
Also the ENTITLED F2P players complaining and demanding to get the same rewards as frequent spenders. IF IM READY TO DROP THAT LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY I BETTER GET MY WORTH.
This game is one of the most F2P friendly games I've ever played and kabam have been SO GENEROUS with the rewards meaning a F2P can progress very quickly and reach end game player status quite easily and y'all are not going to pretend like they haven't.
This game runs off money. LET the spenders spend and get their money's worth and let the company MAKE MONEY and keep the game running without feeling entitled and like you were robbed. Thank you very much for this long read.
this got more disagrees than it should have.
everyone will be chasing spiral and probably dazzler now. we feel bad and left out, either because our spending bracket doesn't let us get a good shot at her or because we r3'd serpent and bullseye, but whatever the reason this design philosophy keeps the game alive and whether we know it or not, actually motivates us to play and or spend more.
the game needs new problems that we can't just run over with the 50 different copies of champs that already covers every problem. we need new stuff.
Cmon man you used this same argument in the serpent rebalancing thread repeatedly and it’s been refuted both there and here.
Tell me why this strategy wouldn’t have worked if serpent was at a balanced level but still the top defender in the game? You think people wouldn’t want a hard counter to the top defender? But at least that way we don’t deal with all the problems and unbalanced defender brings to the game.
fair...
you guys bring up a good point that decks are just repeating onslaught, bullseye, serpent ad nauseam and that there used to be a lot more variance to bgs, so i don't know how to respond to that.
BGs isn't very fun like it was last year. whoever gets those defenders basically wins and there used to be more variance back then. now it's whoever gets those defenders and their counters wins.
This exactly. It goes further than just fighting the same defenders too, because like I said champs like serpent and bullseye have no nuance whatsoever, so the only way to deal with them is to use a counter. That means I have to use the same select counters over and over again because nobody else works. There’s no element of being able to creatively work around the problem, because the punishment is simply unavoidable damage.
Defenders are supposed to be problems that you learn to solve through a creative and interactive approach. The fun part of defenders is presenting a challenge that you have to use your talents and creativity to overcome, but serpent and bullseye are different. They don’t let you come up with a solution, they look at 80% of the solutions that would normally work and say “erm ackshually no” with some bs line in their kits. This is what leads to the lack of variety problem, the fact that there’s nothing the player can do to solve the problems they present except “git lucky.”
I feel so strongly about this issue because it genuinely has sucked out the fun I got from bgs. I don’t want to rely on luck, I don’t even want to win because my luck was better, that feels unearned. I want to prove why I got that win or understand that I lost to someone who was simply better than me, and not simply luckier. I don’t think that’s asking for too much.
I want to double like this post, cuddle it and let it be the big spoon. 💯💯💯
I hope Kabam really sees this as what it’s meant to be. Constructive criticism from a friend because they care, not simply complaining, because it ain’t that.
People who care tell you there’s broccoli in your teeth. And that’s what the likes of Serpent and Bullseye are to the defender rotation and the game.
If Spiral and Dazzler are any indication then turning off the Dex mastery to dodge seems to be the response but I doubt that’s healthy long term
How is that not healthy? Turning off dex to dodge can actually be a good thing, for example when fighting mystics they won't benefit much from MD.
Well because it will create essentially a divide between every good attacker designed before Serpent, and after Serpent.
Essentially creating a hard divide of BS vs AS champs. While you raise a good question as it might not actually be bad, it seems like they e painted themselves into a design corner as any attacker lacking this characteristic in an AS world is immediately deemed less useful and would be considered a BS attacker.
All of a sudden y'all like photon now like y'all weren't begging kabam to nerf her when she newly came out. And saying her undexable specials were "UNHEALTHY" for the game. As if y'all weren't also complaining about onslaughts unavoidable damage. But now they're just "challenging" and okay???
Y'all were saying the same thing bout bullseye and his INSANE block pen, instant bleeds and LONG ASS killer instinct but up to a few months ago I started seeing forum users saying he's "OKAY" and can be taken with bleed immunes during the time that serpent rebalancing info was released and people were comparing serpent to bullseye It really pissed me off when y'all try to act like these defenders are fine when a more difficult one comes along. Bullseye IS NOT EASY AT ALL.
Also, I know I'm in the minority but, I really don't see anything wrong with kabam capitalizing off counters to terrible defenders. Every champion has to bring in their fair amount of money and have something that people who spend money want. Each champion must be unique in some way or have something captivating that attracts spenders. In this case, a counter to a tough defender.
I do agree serpent should've been nerfed and is definitely BROKEN. His kit has TOOO MUCH going on but if there's an opportunity to make money of a counter then what's the problem??? CLASSIC SMART BUSINESS MOVE. Can't hate innovative entrepreneurs for making INNOVATIVE DECISIONS.
This game doesn't run off love, affection and online support. I also really dislike the VOCAL "F2P" keyboard warrior players spamming the "create the problem/disease, sell the cure/solution" on every defender/counter post. YOU LITERALLY DO NOTHING TO SUPPORT THE GAME. Stop trying to make people who spend feel guilty for purchasing what they feel interested in.
Also the ENTITLED F2P players complaining and demanding to get the same rewards as frequent spenders. IF IM READY TO DROP THAT LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY I BETTER GET MY WORTH.
This game is one of the most F2P friendly games I've ever played and kabam have been SO GENEROUS with the rewards meaning a F2P can progress very quickly and reach end game player status quite easily and y'all are not going to pretend like they haven't.
This game runs off money. LET the spenders spend and get their money's worth and let the company MAKE MONEY and keep the game running without feeling entitled and like you were robbed. Thank you very much for this long read.
this got more disagrees than it should have.
everyone will be chasing spiral and probably dazzler now. we feel bad and left out, either because our spending bracket doesn't let us get a good shot at her or because we r3'd serpent and bullseye, but whatever the reason this design philosophy keeps the game alive and whether we know it or not, actually motivates us to play and or spend more.
the game needs new problems that we can't just run over with the 50 different copies of champs that already covers every problem. we need new stuff.
Cmon man you used this same argument in the serpent rebalancing thread repeatedly and it’s been refuted both there and here.
Tell me why this strategy wouldn’t have worked if serpent was at a balanced level but still the top defender in the game? You think people wouldn’t want a hard counter to the top defender? But at least that way we don’t deal with all the problems and unbalanced defender brings to the game.
fair...
you guys bring up a good point that decks are just repeating onslaught, bullseye, serpent ad nauseam and that there used to be a lot more variance to bgs, so i don't know how to respond to that.
BGs isn't very fun like it was last year. whoever gets those defenders basically wins and there used to be more variance back then. now it's whoever gets those defenders and their counters wins.
This exactly. It goes further than just fighting the same defenders too, because like I said champs like serpent and bullseye have no nuance whatsoever, so the only way to deal with them is to use a counter. That means I have to use the same select counters over and over again because nobody else works. There’s no element of being able to creatively work around the problem, because the punishment is simply unavoidable damage.
Defenders are supposed to be problems that you learn to solve through a creative and interactive approach. The fun part of defenders is presenting a challenge that you have to use your talents and creativity to overcome, but serpent and bullseye are different. They don’t let you come up with a solution, they look at 80% of the solutions that would normally work and say “erm ackshually no” with some bs line in their kits. This is what leads to the lack of variety problem, the fact that there’s nothing the player can do to solve the problems they present except “git lucky.”
I feel so strongly about this issue because it genuinely has sucked out the fun I got from bgs. I don’t want to rely on luck, I don’t even want to win because my luck was better, that feels unearned. I want to prove why I got that win or understand that I lost to someone who was simply better than me, and not simply luckier. I don’t think that’s asking for too much.
I want to double like this post, cuddle it and let it be the big spoon. 💯💯💯
I hope Kabam really sees this as what it’s meant to be. Constructive criticism from a friend because they care, not simply complaining, because it ain’t that.
People who care tell you there’s broccoli in your teeth. And that’s what the likes of Serpent and Bullseye are to the defender rotation and the game.
If Spiral and Dazzler are any indication then turning off the Dex mastery to dodge seems to be the response but I doubt that’s healthy long term
How is that not healthy? Turning off dex to dodge can actually be a good thing, for example when fighting mystics they won't benefit much from MD.
Well because it will create essentially a divide between every good attacker designed before Serpent, and after Serpent.
Essentially creating a hard divide of BS vs AS champs. While you raise a good question as it might not actually be bad, it seems like they e painted themselves into a design corner as any attacker lacking this characteristic in an AS world is immediately deemed less useful and would be considered a BS attacker.
All of a sudden y'all like photon now like y'all weren't begging kabam to nerf her when she newly came out. And saying her undexable specials were "UNHEALTHY" for the game. As if y'all weren't also complaining about onslaughts unavoidable damage. But now they're just "challenging" and okay???
Y'all were saying the same thing bout bullseye and his INSANE block pen, instant bleeds and LONG ASS killer instinct but up to a few months ago I started seeing forum users saying he's "OKAY" and can be taken with bleed immunes during the time that serpent rebalancing info was released and people were comparing serpent to bullseye It really pissed me off when y'all try to act like these defenders are fine when a more difficult one comes along. Bullseye IS NOT EASY AT ALL.
Also, I know I'm in the minority but, I really don't see anything wrong with kabam capitalizing off counters to terrible defenders. Every champion has to bring in their fair amount of money and have something that people who spend money want. Each champion must be unique in some way or have something captivating that attracts spenders. In this case, a counter to a tough defender.
I do agree serpent should've been nerfed and is definitely BROKEN. His kit has TOOO MUCH going on but if there's an opportunity to make money of a counter then what's the problem??? CLASSIC SMART BUSINESS MOVE. Can't hate innovative entrepreneurs for making INNOVATIVE DECISIONS.
This game doesn't run off love, affection and online support. I also really dislike the VOCAL "F2P" keyboard warrior players spamming the "create the problem/disease, sell the cure/solution" on every defender/counter post. YOU LITERALLY DO NOTHING TO SUPPORT THE GAME. Stop trying to make people who spend feel guilty for purchasing what they feel interested in.
Also the ENTITLED F2P players complaining and demanding to get the same rewards as frequent spenders. IF IM READY TO DROP THAT LARGE AMOUNT OF MONEY I BETTER GET MY WORTH.
This game is one of the most F2P friendly games I've ever played and kabam have been SO GENEROUS with the rewards meaning a F2P can progress very quickly and reach end game player status quite easily and y'all are not going to pretend like they haven't.
This game runs off money. LET the spenders spend and get their money's worth and let the company MAKE MONEY and keep the game running without feeling entitled and like you were robbed. Thank you very much for this long read.
this got more disagrees than it should have.
everyone will be chasing spiral and probably dazzler now. we feel bad and left out, either because our spending bracket doesn't let us get a good shot at her or because we r3'd serpent and bullseye, but whatever the reason this design philosophy keeps the game alive and whether we know it or not, actually motivates us to play and or spend more.
the game needs new problems that we can't just run over with the 50 different copies of champs that already covers every problem. we need new stuff.
Cmon man you used this same argument in the serpent rebalancing thread repeatedly and it’s been refuted both there and here.
Tell me why this strategy wouldn’t have worked if serpent was at a balanced level but still the top defender in the game? You think people wouldn’t want a hard counter to the top defender? But at least that way we don’t deal with all the problems and unbalanced defender brings to the game.
fair...
you guys bring up a good point that decks are just repeating onslaught, bullseye, serpent ad nauseam and that there used to be a lot more variance to bgs, so i don't know how to respond to that.
BGs isn't very fun like it was last year. whoever gets those defenders basically wins and there used to be more variance back then. now it's whoever gets those defenders and their counters wins.
This exactly. It goes further than just fighting the same defenders too, because like I said champs like serpent and bullseye have no nuance whatsoever, so the only way to deal with them is to use a counter. That means I have to use the same select counters over and over again because nobody else works. There’s no element of being able to creatively work around the problem, because the punishment is simply unavoidable damage.
Defenders are supposed to be problems that you learn to solve through a creative and interactive approach. The fun part of defenders is presenting a challenge that you have to use your talents and creativity to overcome, but serpent and bullseye are different. They don’t let you come up with a solution, they look at 80% of the solutions that would normally work and say “erm ackshually no” with some bs line in their kits. This is what leads to the lack of variety problem, the fact that there’s nothing the player can do to solve the problems they present except “git lucky.”
I feel so strongly about this issue because it genuinely has sucked out the fun I got from bgs. I don’t want to rely on luck, I don’t even want to win because my luck was better, that feels unearned. I want to prove why I got that win or understand that I lost to someone who was simply better than me, and not simply luckier. I don’t think that’s asking for too much.
I want to double like this post, cuddle it and let it be the big spoon. 💯💯💯
I hope Kabam really sees this as what it’s meant to be. Constructive criticism from a friend because they care, not simply complaining, because it ain’t that.
People who care tell you there’s broccoli in your teeth. And that’s what the likes of Serpent and Bullseye are to the defender rotation and the game.
If Spiral and Dazzler are any indication then turning off the Dex mastery to dodge seems to be the response but I doubt that’s healthy long term
How is that not healthy? Turning off dex to dodge can actually be a good thing, for example when fighting mystics they won't benefit much from MD.
Well because it will create essentially a divide between every good attacker designed before Serpent, and after Serpent.
Essentially creating a hard divide of BS vs AS champs. While you raise a good question as it might not actually be bad, it seems like they e painted themselves into a design corner as any attacker lacking this characteristic in an AS world is immediately deemed less useful and would be considered a BS attacker.
Bro is living up to their pfp
Don’t worry I’m sure to follow it up with something dumb in the near future
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Throw in Protection, Gauss warp, unstoppable, etc and that’s too much (for me) to deal with.
Its great that she has a high skill ceiling, but I’d be interested to see how she performs for low skill players (<5 fervors stacked)
And Dazzler looks like she got all of Negasonics requested damage.
As much as I’m happy to have what looks like two good attackers, I’m equally annoyed that the only reason certain champs were called balanced was to sell these ones.
I get this is just the cycle but it feels a bit worse this time around.
everyone will be chasing spiral and probably dazzler now. we feel bad and left out, either because our spending bracket doesn't let us get a good shot at her or because we r3'd serpent and bullseye, but whatever the reason this design philosophy keeps the game alive and whether we know it or not, actually motivates us to play and or spend more.
the game needs new problems that we can't just run over with the 50 different copies of champs that already covers every problem. we need new stuff.
In early seasons you could see a wide variety of bg defenders from abs man doom killmonger domino peni etc. Nowadays there's like 5-6 champs they repeatedly spam, domino, onslaught maestro serpent bullseye photon red skull. You rarely see other defenders even being drafted. This just creates a complex chain of boring interactions.
And the ftp bash is unnecessary, by your logic non Income tax payers in a country shouldn't be able to vote? And every spender is once a ftp. We are not freeloaders, we are "potential spenders". And most spenders complaint about serpent and now kabam milking over him. So the argument is now valid?
I think Onslaught and Photon are the benchmarks here on what’s punishing but fun in a defensive kit (Ignoring Onslaught’s AI). Jack is a desirable champ, he looks great and solves a problem for players that are struggling learning the Dexes and Punishes of Onslaught
Spiral as cool as she looks has been introduced with all the subtly of ShamWow! And the Serpent remains imbalanced
Tell me why this strategy wouldn’t have worked if serpent was at a balanced level but still the top defender in the game? You think people wouldn’t want a hard counter to the top defender? But at least that way we don’t deal with all the problems and unbalanced defender brings to the game.
you guys bring up a good point that decks are just repeating onslaught, bullseye, serpent ad nauseam and that there used to be a lot more variance to bgs, so i don't know how to respond to that.
BGs isn't very fun like it was last year. whoever gets those defenders basically wins and there used to be more variance back then. now it's whoever gets those defenders and their counters wins.
Defenders are supposed to be problems that you learn to solve through a creative and interactive approach. The fun part of defenders is presenting a challenge that you have to use your talents and creativity to overcome, but serpent and bullseye are different. They don’t let you come up with a solution, they look at 80% of the solutions that would normally work and say “erm ackshually no” with some bs line in their kits. This is what leads to the lack of variety problem, the fact that there’s nothing the player can do to solve the problems they present except “git lucky.”
I feel so strongly about this issue because it genuinely has sucked out the fun I got from bgs. I don’t want to rely on luck, I don’t even want to win because my luck was better, that feels unearned. I want to prove why I got that win or understand that I lost to someone who was simply better than me, and not simply luckier. I don’t think that’s asking for too much.
I hope Kabam really sees this as what it’s meant to be. Constructive criticism from a friend because they care, not simply complaining, because it ain’t that.
People who care tell you there’s broccoli in your teeth. And that’s what the likes of Serpent and Bullseye are to the defender rotation and the game.
If Spiral and Dazzler are any indication then turning off the Dex mastery to dodge seems to be the response but I doubt that’s healthy long term
That’s how it always been lol, have to keep releasing op champions,
If they release op attacker then we would all be on it, like Hercules.
Reminded me that I grinded for him years ago ahahha
Essentially creating a hard divide of BS vs AS champs. While you raise a good question as it might not actually be bad, it seems like they e painted themselves into a design corner as any attacker lacking this characteristic in an AS world is immediately deemed less useful and would be considered a BS attacker.