Also the fact the livestream was prerecorded just goes to show you didn’t want to face the community backlash.
I'm curious to know what difference it would make being live or pre-recorded. They don't have to answer things said in chat. It's not a Q & A. They've already "faced" the backlash. They've told you that the problem wasn't the crystals but more so that they overvalued the keys. They've made several posts, answered on discord etc.. what more do you want them to answer?
I haven't said anything else because at this point I don't have anything else to say. I didn't think saying the same thing again was going to be helpful to anybody, but my thoughts have not changed since that post. It's probably not what you want to hear, but it's where I'm at right now.
I'm going to wait for the data report from our analytics team. If that report changes my mind about anything I will be sure to let people know.
I hope something changes your mind. 2023 you wanted to incentive people to do Necropolis, meaning you wanted to reward doing content. 2024 you think its funny to see TBs running around with R3s and want people to catch up to spenders. Am I crazy or this doesn't make any sense at all?
I don't think you understand sarcasm.
He was being sarcastic when he said there would be TBs with 7r3s?... Cause its true now... And as someone actually played for progression I don't find it funny to be sharing a reward pool with a bunch of lazy TBs that won't spend units on revives to clear content and spend thousands on Banquet crystals.
I haven't said anything else because at this point I don't have anything else to say. I didn't think saying the same thing again was going to be helpful to anybody, but my thoughts have not changed since that post. It's probably not what you want to hear, but it's where I'm at right now.
I'm going to wait for the data report from our analytics team. If that report changes my mind about anything I will be sure to let people know.
I hope something changes your mind. 2023 you wanted to incentive people to do Necropolis, meaning you wanted to reward doing content. 2024 you think its funny to see TBs running around with R3s and want people to catch up to spenders. Am I crazy or this doesn't make any sense at all?
I mean to be fair, that is usually what happens in that gap period between new progression titles. Valiants can't exactly work towards a new one atm yet can they but thronebreakers absolutely can and kabam wants them to move up so when they introduce the next one(which is soon I'm betting) they won't be so far behind they'll just quite the game because it seems Insurmountable. Meanwhile valiants won't have to do that much to be whatever the next title is. Kabam would rather have a bunch of people make the new title because there's no point it making a new one for the handful of top 100 players.
Well that would make sense if they didn't put spending events in the middle that would actually widen the gap.. unless from now on we are playing the game like a rubber band, stretching it and shrinking it back and foward.
Thats...how the game has always been though. Gap grows a bit, banquet hits it shrinks outside of the top 50 or so. Gap grows during spring and July 4th, shrinks again for banquet. That's why the crystals are the way they are. It's always been this way. I've been playing since the beginning minus a few weeks from day 1. I've never not seen it work this way.
It has always been that way in logical gaps, an F2P Valiant vs a spending or whale Valiant. Not trying to fix a gap between TBs and whale Valiants.
I'm believing it's happening this time in this fashion because of the sheer number of progressions in game now. There's quite a few. You only have to look at how kabam changed the requirements to lower progressions by doing one of the two requirements instead of having to meet both. They very clearly want players to get to higher progressions a bit faster and I believe that may be because of two reasons. The first is there's simply getting to be too many and they're having a harder time separating each one which is why most are lumped together in pairs. The second is I suspect we're getting another one very soon.
You could be right. It just doesnt make sense to me that the excuse on 2023 was pushing Necropolis and the excuse in 2024 is closing the gap, specially within 1 year.
Well it does if look at it this way, have we had any content since necropolis or anything styled like necropolis that needs to push progression further? If anything it just pushes my theory closer to the truth. And perhaps we'll get some new everest content like necro this year too.
No; but we had enough content for F2P to become Valiant doing 1 path of Necropolis or even without. Following that theory this event should have pushed lower and newer Valiants to actually be able to close a gap or even hoping for it. Like someone else said on the forums. The problem is not that TBs are receiving Valiant rewards. Its more of Valiant receiving TB rewards. I know it sounds like the same; but if you read between lines its very different.
I get it. But what else could they have actually given valiants? Valiants already have everything. Maybe more sig stones or full catalysts instead of shards or fragments. Fair enough. But your still left with the same problem, what are you gonna do with em besides rank up a few more champs to r3? The only thing they could have done for valiants that would have been seen as amazing, was give em more t7b shards.
I haven't said anything else because at this point I don't have anything else to say. I didn't think saying the same thing again was going to be helpful to anybody, but my thoughts have not changed since that post. It's probably not what you want to hear, but it's where I'm at right now.
I'm going to wait for the data report from our analytics team. If that report changes my mind about anything I will be sure to let people know.
I hope something changes your mind. 2023 you wanted to incentive people to do Necropolis, meaning you wanted to reward doing content. 2024 you think its funny to see TBs running around with R3s and want people to catch up to spenders. Am I crazy or this doesn't make any sense at all?
I don't think you understand sarcasm.
He was being sarcastic when he said there would be TBs with 7r3s?... Cause its true now... And as someone actually played for progression I don't find it funny to be sharing a reward pool with a bunch of lazy TBs that won't spend units on revives to clear content and spend thousands on Banquet crystals.
I haven't said anything else because at this point I don't have anything else to say. I didn't think saying the same thing again was going to be helpful to anybody, but my thoughts have not changed since that post. It's probably not what you want to hear, but it's where I'm at right now.
I'm going to wait for the data report from our analytics team. If that report changes my mind about anything I will be sure to let people know.
I hope something changes your mind. 2023 you wanted to incentive people to do Necropolis, meaning you wanted to reward doing content. 2024 you think its funny to see TBs running around with R3s and want people to catch up to spenders. Am I crazy or this doesn't make any sense at all?
I mean to be fair, that is usually what happens in that gap period between new progression titles. Valiants can't exactly work towards a new one atm yet can they but thronebreakers absolutely can and kabam wants them to move up so when they introduce the next one(which is soon I'm betting) they won't be so far behind they'll just quite the game because it seems Insurmountable. Meanwhile valiants won't have to do that much to be whatever the next title is. Kabam would rather have a bunch of people make the new title because there's no point it making a new one for the handful of top 100 players.
Well that would make sense if they didn't put spending events in the middle that would actually widen the gap.. unless from now on we are playing the game like a rubber band, stretching it and shrinking it back and foward.
Thats...how the game has always been though. Gap grows a bit, banquet hits it shrinks outside of the top 50 or so. Gap grows during spring and July 4th, shrinks again for banquet. That's why the crystals are the way they are. It's always been this way. I've been playing since the beginning minus a few weeks from day 1. I've never not seen it work this way.
It has always been that way in logical gaps, an F2P Valiant vs a spending or whale Valiant. Not trying to fix a gap between TBs and whale Valiants.
I'm believing it's happening this time in this fashion because of the sheer number of progressions in game now. There's quite a few. You only have to look at how kabam changed the requirements to lower progressions by doing one of the two requirements instead of having to meet both. They very clearly want players to get to higher progressions a bit faster and I believe that may be because of two reasons. The first is there's simply getting to be too many and they're having a harder time separating each one which is why most are lumped together in pairs. The second is I suspect we're getting another one very soon.
You could be right. It just doesnt make sense to me that the excuse on 2023 was pushing Necropolis and the excuse in 2024 is closing the gap, specially within 1 year.
Well it does if look at it this way, have we had any content since necropolis or anything styled like necropolis that needs to push progression further? If anything it just pushes my theory closer to the truth. And perhaps we'll get some new everest content like necro this year too.
No; but we had enough content for F2P to become Valiant doing 1 path of Necropolis or even without. Following that theory this event should have pushed lower and newer Valiants to actually be able to close a gap or even hoping for it. Like someone else said on the forums. The problem is not that TBs are receiving Valiant rewards. Its more of Valiant receiving TB rewards. I know it sounds like the same; but if you read between lines its very different.
I get it. But what else could they have actually given valiants? Valiants already have everything. Maybe more sig stones or full catalysts instead of shards or fragments. Fair enough. But your still left with the same problem, what are you gonna do with em besides rank up a few more champs to r3? The only thing they could have done for valiants that would have been seen as amazing, was give em more t7b shards.
Make the higher crystal not 3 progressions but paragon and valiant would been fine as then fragments catalysts shards could of been higher than what they were
Also the fact the livestream was prerecorded just goes to show you didn’t want to face the community backlash.
I'm curious to know what difference it would make being live or pre-recorded. They don't have to answer things said in chat. It's not a Q & A. They've already "faced" the backlash. They've told you that the problem wasn't the crystals but more so that they overvalued the keys. They've made several posts, answered on discord etc.. what more do you want them to answer?
I want to know in what way crashed measures this as a success. I have not seen this much backlash in a long time. Like 99% of the community in agreement that it was horrible then the few like you and gw with a brown nose being the 1% minority always defending them. I would love to see crashed’s analytics that he shows in any way this event was a success. Words are words. Proof is in the evidence. Now go put your head back where it belongs.
"If we make the rewards top tier then it would break the game by benefitting many whales and TBs". Very good point. When are whales not gonna whale? Never. Then every single event has already put them so much farther than FTP and occasional spenders like me. So it is not a valid reason.
Second is why include TB with paragon and valiant in the first place. Isnt the end goal of every event to make people at lower progressions desire to progress further. Banquet and July 4th are money ticket to progress further. Then shouldnt they have their own set of rewards which will let them buy their way to next progression? What does valiant gain from this who are already at the top progression and already have most required by a TB to progress further. Inbetween whales and TBs and paragon, we FTP and occasional spenders Valiants are the only ones who got the SHORT END OF THE STICK.
The most talked problems were DROP RATES. It was not what were promised. If T6B, T3A, T4 A and 7* shards drop rates were much much higher then it would have been worthwhile instead of getting a T5cc. And that gets us back to the point it would make TBs more rewarded than valiants. And again why combine Valiant, Paragon and TBs?
These would be the major feedback from the community.
I haven't said anything else because at this point I don't have anything else to say. I didn't think saying the same thing again was going to be helpful to anybody, but my thoughts have not changed since that post. It's probably not what you want to hear, but it's where I'm at right now.
I'm going to wait for the data report from our analytics team. If that report changes my mind about anything I will be sure to let people know.
I hope something changes your mind. 2023 you wanted to incentive people to do Necropolis, meaning you wanted to reward doing content. 2024 you think its funny to see TBs running around with R3s and want people to catch up to spenders. Am I crazy or this doesn't make any sense at all?
I don't think you understand sarcasm.
He was being sarcastic when he said there would be TBs with 7r3s?... Cause its true now... And as someone actually played for progression I don't find it funny to be sharing a reward pool with a bunch of lazy TBs that won't spend units on revives to clear content and spend thousands on Banquet crystals.
I haven't said anything else because at this point I don't have anything else to say. I didn't think saying the same thing again was going to be helpful to anybody, but my thoughts have not changed since that post. It's probably not what you want to hear, but it's where I'm at right now.
I'm going to wait for the data report from our analytics team. If that report changes my mind about anything I will be sure to let people know.
I hope something changes your mind. 2023 you wanted to incentive people to do Necropolis, meaning you wanted to reward doing content. 2024 you think its funny to see TBs running around with R3s and want people to catch up to spenders. Am I crazy or this doesn't make any sense at all?
I mean to be fair, that is usually what happens in that gap period between new progression titles. Valiants can't exactly work towards a new one atm yet can they but thronebreakers absolutely can and kabam wants them to move up so when they introduce the next one(which is soon I'm betting) they won't be so far behind they'll just quite the game because it seems Insurmountable. Meanwhile valiants won't have to do that much to be whatever the next title is. Kabam would rather have a bunch of people make the new title because there's no point it making a new one for the handful of top 100 players.
Well that would make sense if they didn't put spending events in the middle that would actually widen the gap.. unless from now on we are playing the game like a rubber band, stretching it and shrinking it back and foward.
Thats...how the game has always been though. Gap grows a bit, banquet hits it shrinks outside of the top 50 or so. Gap grows during spring and July 4th, shrinks again for banquet. That's why the crystals are the way they are. It's always been this way. I've been playing since the beginning minus a few weeks from day 1. I've never not seen it work this way.
It has always been that way in logical gaps, an F2P Valiant vs a spending or whale Valiant. Not trying to fix a gap between TBs and whale Valiants.
I'm believing it's happening this time in this fashion because of the sheer number of progressions in game now. There's quite a few. You only have to look at how kabam changed the requirements to lower progressions by doing one of the two requirements instead of having to meet both. They very clearly want players to get to higher progressions a bit faster and I believe that may be because of two reasons. The first is there's simply getting to be too many and they're having a harder time separating each one which is why most are lumped together in pairs. The second is I suspect we're getting another one very soon.
You could be right. It just doesnt make sense to me that the excuse on 2023 was pushing Necropolis and the excuse in 2024 is closing the gap, specially within 1 year.
Well it does if look at it this way, have we had any content since necropolis or anything styled like necropolis that needs to push progression further? If anything it just pushes my theory closer to the truth. And perhaps we'll get some new everest content like necro this year too.
No; but we had enough content for F2P to become Valiant doing 1 path of Necropolis or even without. Following that theory this event should have pushed lower and newer Valiants to actually be able to close a gap or even hoping for it. Like someone else said on the forums. The problem is not that TBs are receiving Valiant rewards. Its more of Valiant receiving TB rewards. I know it sounds like the same; but if you read between lines its very different.
I get it. But what else could they have actually given valiants? Valiants already have everything. Maybe more sig stones or full catalysts instead of shards or fragments. Fair enough. But your still left with the same problem, what are you gonna do with em besides rank up a few more champs to r3? The only thing they could have done for valiants that would have been seen as amazing, was give em more t7b shards.
Personally, all i wanted was more 7* shards + titan shards quantity and drop rate. I never really expected any tier 7 b fragments to begin with, and on top of that i never really expected much tier 4 alpha frags.
I haven't said anything else because at this point I don't have anything else to say. I didn't think saying the same thing again was going to be helpful to anybody, but my thoughts have not changed since that post. It's probably not what you want to hear, but it's where I'm at right now.
I'm going to wait for the data report from our analytics team. If that report changes my mind about anything I will be sure to let people know.
I hope something changes your mind. 2023 you wanted to incentive people to do Necropolis, meaning you wanted to reward doing content. 2024 you think its funny to see TBs running around with R3s and want people to catch up to spenders. Am I crazy or this doesn't make any sense at all?
I don't think you understand sarcasm.
He was being sarcastic when he said there would be TBs with 7r3s?... Cause its true now... And as someone actually played for progression I don't find it funny to be sharing a reward pool with a bunch of lazy TBs that won't spend units on revives to clear content and spend thousands on Banquet crystals.
I haven't said anything else because at this point I don't have anything else to say. I didn't think saying the same thing again was going to be helpful to anybody, but my thoughts have not changed since that post. It's probably not what you want to hear, but it's where I'm at right now.
I'm going to wait for the data report from our analytics team. If that report changes my mind about anything I will be sure to let people know.
I hope something changes your mind. 2023 you wanted to incentive people to do Necropolis, meaning you wanted to reward doing content. 2024 you think its funny to see TBs running around with R3s and want people to catch up to spenders. Am I crazy or this doesn't make any sense at all?
I mean to be fair, that is usually what happens in that gap period between new progression titles. Valiants can't exactly work towards a new one atm yet can they but thronebreakers absolutely can and kabam wants them to move up so when they introduce the next one(which is soon I'm betting) they won't be so far behind they'll just quite the game because it seems Insurmountable. Meanwhile valiants won't have to do that much to be whatever the next title is. Kabam would rather have a bunch of people make the new title because there's no point it making a new one for the handful of top 100 players.
Well that would make sense if they didn't put spending events in the middle that would actually widen the gap.. unless from now on we are playing the game like a rubber band, stretching it and shrinking it back and foward.
Thats...how the game has always been though. Gap grows a bit, banquet hits it shrinks outside of the top 50 or so. Gap grows during spring and July 4th, shrinks again for banquet. That's why the crystals are the way they are. It's always been this way. I've been playing since the beginning minus a few weeks from day 1. I've never not seen it work this way.
It has always been that way in logical gaps, an F2P Valiant vs a spending or whale Valiant. Not trying to fix a gap between TBs and whale Valiants.
I'm believing it's happening this time in this fashion because of the sheer number of progressions in game now. There's quite a few. You only have to look at how kabam changed the requirements to lower progressions by doing one of the two requirements instead of having to meet both. They very clearly want players to get to higher progressions a bit faster and I believe that may be because of two reasons. The first is there's simply getting to be too many and they're having a harder time separating each one which is why most are lumped together in pairs. The second is I suspect we're getting another one very soon.
You could be right. It just doesnt make sense to me that the excuse on 2023 was pushing Necropolis and the excuse in 2024 is closing the gap, specially within 1 year.
Well it does if look at it this way, have we had any content since necropolis or anything styled like necropolis that needs to push progression further? If anything it just pushes my theory closer to the truth. And perhaps we'll get some new everest content like necro this year too.
No; but we had enough content for F2P to become Valiant doing 1 path of Necropolis or even without. Following that theory this event should have pushed lower and newer Valiants to actually be able to close a gap or even hoping for it. Like someone else said on the forums. The problem is not that TBs are receiving Valiant rewards. Its more of Valiant receiving TB rewards. I know it sounds like the same; but if you read between lines its very different.
I get it. But what else could they have actually given valiants? Valiants already have everything. Maybe more sig stones or full catalysts instead of shards or fragments. Fair enough. But your still left with the same problem, what are you gonna do with em besides rank up a few more champs to r3? The only thing they could have done for valiants that would have been seen as amazing, was give em more t7b shards.
More sig stones, more AG frags being that its the new thing, a slight better % of r4 mats (nothing crazy, just a better percentage). More crystal shards... Worst case scenario you get champs at least... A lot of things other than giving drops that are not even close to 300 unit value since you can get them within a content grind weekly in AQ, War, BGs, EQ and SQ...
I haven't said anything else because at this point I don't have anything else to say. I didn't think saying the same thing again was going to be helpful to anybody, but my thoughts have not changed since that post. It's probably not what you want to hear, but it's where I'm at right now.
I'm going to wait for the data report from our analytics team. If that report changes my mind about anything I will be sure to let people know.
I hope something changes your mind. 2023 you wanted to incentive people to do Necropolis, meaning you wanted to reward doing content. 2024 you think its funny to see TBs running around with R3s and want people to catch up to spenders. Am I crazy or this doesn't make any sense at all?
I don't think you understand sarcasm.
He was being sarcastic when he said there would be TBs with 7r3s?... Cause its true now... And as someone actually played for progression I don't find it funny to be sharing a reward pool with a bunch of lazy TBs that won't spend units on revives to clear content and spend thousands on Banquet crystals.
I haven't said anything else because at this point I don't have anything else to say. I didn't think saying the same thing again was going to be helpful to anybody, but my thoughts have not changed since that post. It's probably not what you want to hear, but it's where I'm at right now.
I'm going to wait for the data report from our analytics team. If that report changes my mind about anything I will be sure to let people know.
I hope something changes your mind. 2023 you wanted to incentive people to do Necropolis, meaning you wanted to reward doing content. 2024 you think its funny to see TBs running around with R3s and want people to catch up to spenders. Am I crazy or this doesn't make any sense at all?
I mean to be fair, that is usually what happens in that gap period between new progression titles. Valiants can't exactly work towards a new one atm yet can they but thronebreakers absolutely can and kabam wants them to move up so when they introduce the next one(which is soon I'm betting) they won't be so far behind they'll just quite the game because it seems Insurmountable. Meanwhile valiants won't have to do that much to be whatever the next title is. Kabam would rather have a bunch of people make the new title because there's no point it making a new one for the handful of top 100 players.
Well that would make sense if they didn't put spending events in the middle that would actually widen the gap.. unless from now on we are playing the game like a rubber band, stretching it and shrinking it back and foward.
Thats...how the game has always been though. Gap grows a bit, banquet hits it shrinks outside of the top 50 or so. Gap grows during spring and July 4th, shrinks again for banquet. That's why the crystals are the way they are. It's always been this way. I've been playing since the beginning minus a few weeks from day 1. I've never not seen it work this way.
It has always been that way in logical gaps, an F2P Valiant vs a spending or whale Valiant. Not trying to fix a gap between TBs and whale Valiants.
I'm believing it's happening this time in this fashion because of the sheer number of progressions in game now. There's quite a few. You only have to look at how kabam changed the requirements to lower progressions by doing one of the two requirements instead of having to meet both. They very clearly want players to get to higher progressions a bit faster and I believe that may be because of two reasons. The first is there's simply getting to be too many and they're having a harder time separating each one which is why most are lumped together in pairs. The second is I suspect we're getting another one very soon.
You could be right. It just doesnt make sense to me that the excuse on 2023 was pushing Necropolis and the excuse in 2024 is closing the gap, specially within 1 year.
Well it does if look at it this way, have we had any content since necropolis or anything styled like necropolis that needs to push progression further? If anything it just pushes my theory closer to the truth. And perhaps we'll get some new everest content like necro this year too.
No; but we had enough content for F2P to become Valiant doing 1 path of Necropolis or even without. Following that theory this event should have pushed lower and newer Valiants to actually be able to close a gap or even hoping for it. Like someone else said on the forums. The problem is not that TBs are receiving Valiant rewards. Its more of Valiant receiving TB rewards. I know it sounds like the same; but if you read between lines its very different.
I get it. But what else could they have actually given valiants? Valiants already have everything. Maybe more sig stones or full catalysts instead of shards or fragments. Fair enough. But your still left with the same problem, what are you gonna do with em besides rank up a few more champs to r3? The only thing they could have done for valiants that would have been seen as amazing, was give em more t7b shards.
You hit the nail on the head. The t7b shards were paltry at best. Low drop rates and 630 shards is ridiculous. T5cc being in it was ridiculous. Shards of t6c at 10% and half t6b and t3a was ridiculous no t5cc, at least 50% t6cc shards as the lowest, and full t3a and t6b would have made the crystals a tiny bit better. It was the fillers making up the high percentage of drop rates when we were told there would be less fillers that upset the community so much.
I hope you guys analyse thoroughly not just the data from the event, but the huge backlash, it's been 8 years since i'm playing this game and i have never seen a banquet event being so criticized
We have pretty good analytics tools for the forums and Discord now, so yes that's part of what I'm waiting to see. I have some suspicions about what is going on but I don't know for sure until I can see the report.
Analytic tool for discord?... Last time I checked discord was basically an annex of global chat with the only difference being live moderators to silence or ban inappropriate behavior. I wonder what kind of results this tool will show about the 1200+ middle fingers given to the announcement...
"hey f u kabam but also here's my money" tells me the community's moans are mostly empty gestures, as they usually are.
they balanced the rewards between milestones and SBCs well enough that it didn't affect the economy and gave us the same good rewards overall. if they had done what we wanted and buffed SBCs we would be crying about the spending gap and why we're getting 8*s so fast.
I hope you guys analyse thoroughly not just the data from the event, but the huge backlash, it's been 8 years since i'm playing this game and i have never seen a banquet event being so criticized
We have pretty good analytics tools for the forums and Discord now, so yes that's part of what I'm waiting to see. I have some suspicions about what is going on but I don't know for sure until I can see the report.
Analytic tool for discord?... Last time I checked discord was basically an annex of global chat with the only difference being live moderators to silence or ban inappropriate behavior. I wonder what kind of results this tool will show about the 1200+ middle fingers given to the announcement...
"hey f u kabam but also here's my money" tells me the community's moans are mostly empty gestures, as they usually are.
they balanced the rewards between milestones and SBCs well enough that it didn't affect the economy and gave us the same good rewards overall. if they had done what we wanted and buffed SBCs we would be crying about the spending gap and why we're getting 8*s so fast.
Yeah cause a TB with now 2 or 3 r3s closes the gap to a whale with now 35+ r3s Sounds like a great idea. Didn't affect the economy? You have people that didn't finish act 6 with similar or same rewards as people who explored Necropolis how did that not affect the economy?...
A final shady kabam move: today you can purchase daily and week specials that give banquet tickets that can not be used anywhere as the market they can be used in has disappeared.
I hope you guys analyse thoroughly not just the data from the event, but the huge backlash, it's been 8 years since i'm playing this game and i have never seen a banquet event being so criticized
We have pretty good analytics tools for the forums and Discord now, so yes that's part of what I'm waiting to see. I have some suspicions about what is going on but I don't know for sure until I can see the report.
Analytic tool for discord?... Last time I checked discord was basically an annex of global chat with the only difference being live moderators to silence or ban inappropriate behavior. I wonder what kind of results this tool will show about the 1200+ middle fingers given to the announcement...
"hey f u kabam but also here's my money" tells me the community's moans are mostly empty gestures, as they usually are.
they balanced the rewards between milestones and SBCs well enough that it didn't affect the economy and gave us the same good rewards overall. if they had done what we wanted and buffed SBCs we would be crying about the spending gap and why we're getting 8*s so fast.
Yeah cause a TB with now 2 or 3 r3s closes the gap to a whale with now 35+ r3s Sounds like a great idea. Didn't affect the economy? You have people that didn't finish act 6 with similar or same rewards as people who explored Necropolis how did that not affect the economy?...
we've got a brand new rank. this means:
-the whales pay a fortune to have first access -r3s lose value -kabam bumps up paragons and thronbreakers with more r3s -the rest of us non-whale valiants will be second in line for rank 4s (content, etc..)
we have a choice between spending a fortune for one or waiting, there's no other option. do you want kabam to give us scrubs cheap r4s??
Also the fact the livestream was prerecorded just goes to show you didn’t want to face the community backlash.
I'm curious to know what difference it would make being live or pre-recorded. They don't have to answer things said in chat. It's not a Q & A. They've already "faced" the backlash. They've told you that the problem wasn't the crystals but more so that they overvalued the keys. They've made several posts, answered on discord etc.. what more do you want them to answer?
I want to know in what way crashed measures this as a success. I have not seen this much backlash in a long time. Like 99% of the community in agreement that it was horrible then the few like you and gw with a brown nose being the 1% minority always defending them. I would love to see crashed’s analytics that he shows in any way this event was a success. Words are words. Proof is in the evidence. Now go put your head back where it belongs.
He didn't say it was resounding success but it's more successful than how you're thinking of it.
Also the fact the livestream was prerecorded just goes to show you didn’t want to face the community backlash.
I'm curious to know what difference it would make being live or pre-recorded. They don't have to answer things said in chat. It's not a Q & A. They've already "faced" the backlash. They've told you that the problem wasn't the crystals but more so that they overvalued the keys. They've made several posts, answered on discord etc.. what more do you want them to answer?
I want to know in what way crashed measures this as a success. I have not seen this much backlash in a long time. Like 99% of the community in agreement that it was horrible then the few like you and gw with a brown nose being the 1% minority always defending them. I would love to see crashed’s analytics that he shows in any way this event was a success. Words are words. Proof is in the evidence. Now go put your head back where it belongs.
He didn't say it was resounding success but it's more successful than how you're thinking of it.
like I said words are words. I would love to see the evidence to support it.
I hope you guys analyse thoroughly not just the data from the event, but the huge backlash, it's been 8 years since i'm playing this game and i have never seen a banquet event being so criticized
We have pretty good analytics tools for the forums and Discord now, so yes that's part of what I'm waiting to see. I have some suspicions about what is going on but I don't know for sure until I can see the report.
Analytic tool for discord?... Last time I checked discord was basically an annex of global chat with the only difference being live moderators to silence or ban inappropriate behavior. I wonder what kind of results this tool will show about the 1200+ middle fingers given to the announcement...
"hey f u kabam but also here's my money" tells me the community's moans are mostly empty gestures, as they usually are.
they balanced the rewards between milestones and SBCs well enough that it didn't affect the economy and gave us the same good rewards overall. if they had done what we wanted and buffed SBCs we would be crying about the spending gap and why we're getting 8*s so fast.
Yeah cause a TB with now 2 or 3 r3s closes the gap to a whale with now 35+ r3s Sounds like a great idea. Didn't affect the economy? You have people that didn't finish act 6 with similar or same rewards as people who explored Necropolis how did that not affect the economy?...
we've got a brand new rank. this means:
-the whales pay a fortune to have first access -r3s lose value -kabam bumps up paragons and thronbreakers with more r3s -the rest of us non-whale valiants will be second in line for rank 4s (content, etc..)
we have a choice between spending a fortune for one or waiting, there's no other option. do you want kabam to give us scrubs cheap r4s??
Did I say that?... I want to be rewarded accordingly.... I want my effort to actually have some value as opposed to spending 365 days a year farming arenas, not doing content and receiving the same reward pool is that so hard to understand?
I haven't said anything else because at this point I don't have anything else to say. I didn't think saying the same thing again was going to be helpful to anybody, but my thoughts have not changed since that post. It's probably not what you want to hear, but it's where I'm at right now.
I'm going to wait for the data report from our analytics team. If that report changes my mind about anything I will be sure to let people know.
I hope something changes your mind. 2023 you wanted to incentive people to do Necropolis, meaning you wanted to reward doing content. 2024 you think its funny to see TBs running around with R3s and want people to catch up to spenders. Am I crazy or this doesn't make any sense at all?
I don't think you understand sarcasm.
He was being sarcastic when he said there would be TBs with 7r3s?... Cause its true now... And as someone actually played for progression I don't find it funny to be sharing a reward pool with a bunch of lazy TBs that won't spend units on revives to clear content and spend thousands on Banquet crystals.
I haven't said anything else because at this point I don't have anything else to say. I didn't think saying the same thing again was going to be helpful to anybody, but my thoughts have not changed since that post. It's probably not what you want to hear, but it's where I'm at right now.
I'm going to wait for the data report from our analytics team. If that report changes my mind about anything I will be sure to let people know.
I hope something changes your mind. 2023 you wanted to incentive people to do Necropolis, meaning you wanted to reward doing content. 2024 you think its funny to see TBs running around with R3s and want people to catch up to spenders. Am I crazy or this doesn't make any sense at all?
I mean to be fair, that is usually what happens in that gap period between new progression titles. Valiants can't exactly work towards a new one atm yet can they but thronebreakers absolutely can and kabam wants them to move up so when they introduce the next one(which is soon I'm betting) they won't be so far behind they'll just quite the game because it seems Insurmountable. Meanwhile valiants won't have to do that much to be whatever the next title is. Kabam would rather have a bunch of people make the new title because there's no point it making a new one for the handful of top 100 players.
Well that would make sense if they didn't put spending events in the middle that would actually widen the gap.. unless from now on we are playing the game like a rubber band, stretching it and shrinking it back and foward.
Thats...how the game has always been though. Gap grows a bit, banquet hits it shrinks outside of the top 50 or so. Gap grows during spring and July 4th, shrinks again for banquet. That's why the crystals are the way they are. It's always been this way. I've been playing since the beginning minus a few weeks from day 1. I've never not seen it work this way.
It has always been that way in logical gaps, an F2P Valiant vs a spending or whale Valiant. Not trying to fix a gap between TBs and whale Valiants.
I'm believing it's happening this time in this fashion because of the sheer number of progressions in game now. There's quite a few. You only have to look at how kabam changed the requirements to lower progressions by doing one of the two requirements instead of having to meet both. They very clearly want players to get to higher progressions a bit faster and I believe that may be because of two reasons. The first is there's simply getting to be too many and they're having a harder time separating each one which is why most are lumped together in pairs. The second is I suspect we're getting another one very soon.
You could be right. It just doesnt make sense to me that the excuse on 2023 was pushing Necropolis and the excuse in 2024 is closing the gap, specially within 1 year.
Well it does if look at it this way, have we had any content since necropolis or anything styled like necropolis that needs to push progression further? If anything it just pushes my theory closer to the truth. And perhaps we'll get some new everest content like necro this year too.
No; but we had enough content for F2P to become Valiant doing 1 path of Necropolis or even without. Following that theory this event should have pushed lower and newer Valiants to actually be able to close a gap or even hoping for it. Like someone else said on the forums. The problem is not that TBs are receiving Valiant rewards. Its more of Valiant receiving TB rewards. I know it sounds like the same; but if you read between lines its very different.
I get it. But what else could they have actually given valiants? Valiants already have everything. Maybe more sig stones or full catalysts instead of shards or fragments. Fair enough. But your still left with the same problem, what are you gonna do with em besides rank up a few more champs to r3? The only thing they could have done for valiants that would have been seen as amazing, was give em more t7b shards.
You hit the nail on the head. The t7b shards were paltry at best. Low drop rates and 630 shards is ridiculous. T5cc being in it was ridiculous. Shards of t6c at 10% and half t6b and t3a was ridiculous no t5cc, at least 50% t6cc shards as the lowest, and full t3a and t6b would have made the crystals a tiny bit better. It was the fillers making up the high percentage of drop rates when we were told there would be less fillers that upset the community so much.
I hope you guys analyse thoroughly not just the data from the event, but the huge backlash, it's been 8 years since i'm playing this game and i have never seen a banquet event being so criticized
We have pretty good analytics tools for the forums and Discord now, so yes that's part of what I'm waiting to see. I have some suspicions about what is going on but I don't know for sure until I can see the report.
Analytic tool for discord?... Last time I checked discord was basically an annex of global chat with the only difference being live moderators to silence or ban inappropriate behavior. I wonder what kind of results this tool will show about the 1200+ middle fingers given to the announcement...
"hey f u kabam but also here's my money" tells me the community's moans are mostly empty gestures, as they usually are.
they balanced the rewards between milestones and SBCs well enough that it didn't affect the economy and gave us the same good rewards overall. if they had done what we wanted and buffed SBCs we would be crying about the spending gap and why we're getting 8*s so fast.
Yeah cause a TB with now 2 or 3 r3s closes the gap to a whale with now 35+ r3s Sounds like a great idea. Didn't affect the economy? You have people that didn't finish act 6 with similar or same rewards as people who explored Necropolis how did that not affect the economy?...
we've got a brand new rank. this means:
-the whales pay a fortune to have first access -r3s lose value -kabam bumps up paragons and thronbreakers with more r3s -the rest of us non-whale valiants will be second in line for rank 4s (content, etc..)
we have a choice between spending a fortune for one or waiting, there's no other option. do you want kabam to give us scrubs cheap r4s??
Did I say that?... I want to be rewarded accordingly.... I want my effort to actually have some value as opposed to spending 365 days a year farming arenas, not doing content and receiving the same reward pool is that so hard to understand?
for now, temporarily at least, non-whale valiants and paragons/TBers are defacto in the same pool. we could have moved to the r4 pool but it would have cost five figures.
you're kind of implying that since you can't get a rank 4 at the same rate as a multi millionaire super whale, that we should gate-keep the rank that JUST GOT DOWNGRADED to second place (r3). that's not how the game works.
I hope you guys analyse thoroughly not just the data from the event, but the huge backlash, it's been 8 years since i'm playing this game and i have never seen a banquet event being so criticized
We have pretty good analytics tools for the forums and Discord now, so yes that's part of what I'm waiting to see. I have some suspicions about what is going on but I don't know for sure until I can see the report.
Analytic tool for discord?... Last time I checked discord was basically an annex of global chat with the only difference being live moderators to silence or ban inappropriate behavior. I wonder what kind of results this tool will show about the 1200+ middle fingers given to the announcement...
"hey f u kabam but also here's my money" tells me the community's moans are mostly empty gestures, as they usually are.
they balanced the rewards between milestones and SBCs well enough that it didn't affect the economy and gave us the same good rewards overall. if they had done what we wanted and buffed SBCs we would be crying about the spending gap and why we're getting 8*s so fast.
Yeah cause a TB with now 2 or 3 r3s closes the gap to a whale with now 35+ r3s Sounds like a great idea. Didn't affect the economy? You have people that didn't finish act 6 with similar or same rewards as people who explored Necropolis how did that not affect the economy?...
we've got a brand new rank. this means:
-the whales pay a fortune to have first access -r3s lose value -kabam bumps up paragons and thronbreakers with more r3s -the rest of us non-whale valiants will be second in line for rank 4s (content, etc..)
we have a choice between spending a fortune for one or waiting, there's no other option. do you want kabam to give us scrubs cheap r4s??
Did I say that?... I want to be rewarded accordingly.... I want my effort to actually have some value as opposed to spending 365 days a year farming arenas, not doing content and receiving the same reward pool is that so hard to understand?
for now, temporarily at least, non-whale valiants and paragons/TBers are defacto in the same pool. we could have moved to the r4 pool but it would have cost five figures.
you're kind of implying that since you can't get a rank 4 at the same rate as a multi millionaire super whale, that we should gate-keep the rank that JUST GOT DOWNGRADED to second place (r3). that's not how the game works.
You are an assumption making machine...My rewards got limited because what would be suitable for me is too much for. TB account. It has nothing to do with me and whales getting R4s. Because they are in the same pool I got less 7* crystals and Titan crystals, that translates to awakenings and sig levels. I ended up with an overflow of t5cc and way too much t6b, t3a and t6cc included, which for a TB has a lot more value than players like me. Is that clear enough now? One of the highest milestones was an r1-2 Gem while I''m sitting on overflow of r2 mats if you can't see the problem is because you benefitted from this event.
I hope you guys analyse thoroughly not just the data from the event, but the huge backlash, it's been 8 years since i'm playing this game and i have never seen a banquet event being so criticized
We have pretty good analytics tools for the forums and Discord now, so yes that's part of what I'm waiting to see. I have some suspicions about what is going on but I don't know for sure until I can see the report.
Analytic tool for discord?... Last time I checked discord was basically an annex of global chat with the only difference being live moderators to silence or ban inappropriate behavior. I wonder what kind of results this tool will show about the 1200+ middle fingers given to the announcement...
"hey f u kabam but also here's my money" tells me the community's moans are mostly empty gestures, as they usually are.
they balanced the rewards between milestones and SBCs well enough that it didn't affect the economy and gave us the same good rewards overall. if they had done what we wanted and buffed SBCs we would be crying about the spending gap and why we're getting 8*s so fast.
Yeah cause a TB with now 2 or 3 r3s closes the gap to a whale with now 35+ r3s Sounds like a great idea. Didn't affect the economy? You have people that didn't finish act 6 with similar or same rewards as people who explored Necropolis how did that not affect the economy?...
we've got a brand new rank. this means:
-the whales pay a fortune to have first access -r3s lose value -kabam bumps up paragons and thronbreakers with more r3s -the rest of us non-whale valiants will be second in line for rank 4s (content, etc..)
we have a choice between spending a fortune for one or waiting, there's no other option. do you want kabam to give us scrubs cheap r4s??
Did I say that?... I want to be rewarded accordingly.... I want my effort to actually have some value as opposed to spending 365 days a year farming arenas, not doing content and receiving the same reward pool is that so hard to understand?
for now, temporarily at least, non-whale valiants and paragons/TBers are defacto in the same pool. we could have moved to the r4 pool but it would have cost five figures.
you're kind of implying that since you can't get a rank 4 at the same rate as a multi millionaire super whale, that we should gate-keep the rank that JUST GOT DOWNGRADED to second place (r3). that's not how the game works.
You are an assumption making machine...My rewards got limited because what would be suitable for me is too much for. TB account. It has nothing to do with me and whales getting R4s. Because they are in the same pool I got less 7* crystals and Titan crystals, that translates to awakenings and sig levels. I ended up with an overflow of t5cc and way too much t6b, t3a and t6cc included, which for a TB has a lot more value than players like me. Is that clear enough now? One of the highest milestones was an r1-2 Gem while I''m sitting on overflow of r2 mats if you can't see the problem is because you benefitted from this event.
No you didn't. You and others keep thinking you're getting TB rewards. No. TBs got valiant rewards but you have no proof you got less because TBs and Paragons had access to the same crystal.
Last year, all progressions had access to the GBCs. Were you mad last year that TBs could get T4A? You're not getting less.
Just like with all high ranking materials, they slow roll it out. It was the same last year for rank 3's. Started small but we quickly had access to more which will be the same.
I hope you guys analyse thoroughly not just the data from the event, but the huge backlash, it's been 8 years since i'm playing this game and i have never seen a banquet event being so criticized
We have pretty good analytics tools for the forums and Discord now, so yes that's part of what I'm waiting to see. I have some suspicions about what is going on but I don't know for sure until I can see the report.
Analytic tool for discord?... Last time I checked discord was basically an annex of global chat with the only difference being live moderators to silence or ban inappropriate behavior. I wonder what kind of results this tool will show about the 1200+ middle fingers given to the announcement...
"hey f u kabam but also here's my money" tells me the community's moans are mostly empty gestures, as they usually are.
they balanced the rewards between milestones and SBCs well enough that it didn't affect the economy and gave us the same good rewards overall. if they had done what we wanted and buffed SBCs we would be crying about the spending gap and why we're getting 8*s so fast.
Yeah cause a TB with now 2 or 3 r3s closes the gap to a whale with now 35+ r3s Sounds like a great idea. Didn't affect the economy? You have people that didn't finish act 6 with similar or same rewards as people who explored Necropolis how did that not affect the economy?...
we've got a brand new rank. this means:
-the whales pay a fortune to have first access -r3s lose value -kabam bumps up paragons and thronbreakers with more r3s -the rest of us non-whale valiants will be second in line for rank 4s (content, etc..)
we have a choice between spending a fortune for one or waiting, there's no other option. do you want kabam to give us scrubs cheap r4s??
Did I say that?... I want to be rewarded accordingly.... I want my effort to actually have some value as opposed to spending 365 days a year farming arenas, not doing content and receiving the same reward pool is that so hard to understand?
for now, temporarily at least, non-whale valiants and paragons/TBers are defacto in the same pool. we could have moved to the r4 pool but it would have cost five figures.
you're kind of implying that since you can't get a rank 4 at the same rate as a multi millionaire super whale, that we should gate-keep the rank that JUST GOT DOWNGRADED to second place (r3). that's not how the game works.
You are an assumption making machine...My rewards got limited because what would be suitable for me is too much for. TB account. It has nothing to do with me and whales getting R4s. Because they are in the same pool I got less 7* crystals and Titan crystals, that translates to awakenings and sig levels. I ended up with an overflow of t5cc and way too much t6b, t3a and t6cc included, which for a TB has a lot more value than players like me. Is that clear enough now? One of the highest milestones was an r1-2 Gem while I''m sitting on overflow of r2 mats if you can't see the problem is because you benefitted from this event.
No you didn't. You and others keep thinking you're getting TB rewards. No. TBs got valiant rewards but you have no proof you got less because TBs and Paragons had access to the same crystal.
Last year, all progressions had access to the GBCs. Were you mad last year that TBs could get T4A? You're not getting less.
Just like with all high ranking materials, they slow roll it out. It was the same last year for rank 3's. Started small but we quickly had access to more which will be the same.
Wrong. You want proof? The fact that one of the highest milestones had an R1-R2 gem is pretty good proof that I got TB rewards. The fact that the crystals were loaded with a 30% drop rate of t6cc frags, something that as Valiant I got plenty of access thru BG, Glory Store and content is pretty good proof that my rewards were limited by sharing the pool. Opening 80+ crystals and getting 2 7* crystals and less than 1 Titan is proof that I got less rewards.
Last year? I was mad I was getting 6* shards, and **** materials because I shared a pool with TBs,and Cavs... Which is a reason I said last banquet was horrible and this one was worse.
I hope you guys analyse thoroughly not just the data from the event, but the huge backlash, it's been 8 years since i'm playing this game and i have never seen a banquet event being so criticized
We have pretty good analytics tools for the forums and Discord now, so yes that's part of what I'm waiting to see. I have some suspicions about what is going on but I don't know for sure until I can see the report.
Analytic tool for discord?... Last time I checked discord was basically an annex of global chat with the only difference being live moderators to silence or ban inappropriate behavior. I wonder what kind of results this tool will show about the 1200+ middle fingers given to the announcement...
"hey f u kabam but also here's my money" tells me the community's moans are mostly empty gestures, as they usually are.
they balanced the rewards between milestones and SBCs well enough that it didn't affect the economy and gave us the same good rewards overall. if they had done what we wanted and buffed SBCs we would be crying about the spending gap and why we're getting 8*s so fast.
Yeah cause a TB with now 2 or 3 r3s closes the gap to a whale with now 35+ r3s Sounds like a great idea. Didn't affect the economy? You have people that didn't finish act 6 with similar or same rewards as people who explored Necropolis how did that not affect the economy?...
we've got a brand new rank. this means:
-the whales pay a fortune to have first access -r3s lose value -kabam bumps up paragons and thronbreakers with more r3s -the rest of us non-whale valiants will be second in line for rank 4s (content, etc..)
we have a choice between spending a fortune for one or waiting, there's no other option. do you want kabam to give us scrubs cheap r4s??
Did I say that?... I want to be rewarded accordingly.... I want my effort to actually have some value as opposed to spending 365 days a year farming arenas, not doing content and receiving the same reward pool is that so hard to understand?
for now, temporarily at least, non-whale valiants and paragons/TBers are defacto in the same pool. we could have moved to the r4 pool but it would have cost five figures.
you're kind of implying that since you can't get a rank 4 at the same rate as a multi millionaire super whale, that we should gate-keep the rank that JUST GOT DOWNGRADED to second place (r3). that's not how the game works.
You are an assumption making machine...My rewards got limited because what would be suitable for me is too much for. TB account. It has nothing to do with me and whales getting R4s. Because they are in the same pool I got less 7* crystals and Titan crystals, that translates to awakenings and sig levels. I ended up with an overflow of t5cc and way too much t6b, t3a and t6cc included, which for a TB has a lot more value than players like me. Is that clear enough now? One of the highest milestones was an r1-2 Gem while I''m sitting on overflow of r2 mats if you can't see the problem is because you benefitted from this event.
No you didn't. You and others keep thinking you're getting TB rewards. No. TBs got valiant rewards but you have no proof you got less because TBs and Paragons had access to the same crystal.
Last year, all progressions had access to the GBCs. Were you mad last year that TBs could get T4A? You're not getting less.
Just like with all high ranking materials, they slow roll it out. It was the same last year for rank 3's. Started small but we quickly had access to more which will be the same.
And the complaint last year was why they made a new crystal, and was said this banquet be better for valiants, and the new crystal was to change who gets what now but it feels more like tb than valiant since valiants dont need 10% frags and as someone said a 1-2 which easily if wasnt tb in the mix could of been changed to something more meaningful for the players like a 2-3 or split across to more higher tier value the t4a the box key the shards
I hope you guys analyse thoroughly not just the data from the event, but the huge backlash, it's been 8 years since i'm playing this game and i have never seen a banquet event being so criticized
We have pretty good analytics tools for the forums and Discord now, so yes that's part of what I'm waiting to see. I have some suspicions about what is going on but I don't know for sure until I can see the report.
Analytic tool for discord?... Last time I checked discord was basically an annex of global chat with the only difference being live moderators to silence or ban inappropriate behavior. I wonder what kind of results this tool will show about the 1200+ middle fingers given to the announcement...
"hey f u kabam but also here's my money" tells me the community's moans are mostly empty gestures, as they usually are.
they balanced the rewards between milestones and SBCs well enough that it didn't affect the economy and gave us the same good rewards overall. if they had done what we wanted and buffed SBCs we would be crying about the spending gap and why we're getting 8*s so fast.
Yeah cause a TB with now 2 or 3 r3s closes the gap to a whale with now 35+ r3s Sounds like a great idea. Didn't affect the economy? You have people that didn't finish act 6 with similar or same rewards as people who explored Necropolis how did that not affect the economy?...
we've got a brand new rank. this means:
-the whales pay a fortune to have first access -r3s lose value -kabam bumps up paragons and thronbreakers with more r3s -the rest of us non-whale valiants will be second in line for rank 4s (content, etc..)
we have a choice between spending a fortune for one or waiting, there's no other option. do you want kabam to give us scrubs cheap r4s??
Did I say that?... I want to be rewarded accordingly.... I want my effort to actually have some value as opposed to spending 365 days a year farming arenas, not doing content and receiving the same reward pool is that so hard to understand?
for now, temporarily at least, non-whale valiants and paragons/TBers are defacto in the same pool. we could have moved to the r4 pool but it would have cost five figures.
you're kind of implying that since you can't get a rank 4 at the same rate as a multi millionaire super whale, that we should gate-keep the rank that JUST GOT DOWNGRADED to second place (r3). that's not how the game works.
You are an assumption making machine...My rewards got limited because what would be suitable for me is too much for. TB account. It has nothing to do with me and whales getting R4s. Because they are in the same pool I got less 7* crystals and Titan crystals, that translates to awakenings and sig levels. I ended up with an overflow of t5cc and way too much t6b, t3a and t6cc included, which for a TB has a lot more value than players like me. Is that clear enough now? One of the highest milestones was an r1-2 Gem while I''m sitting on overflow of r2 mats if you can't see the problem is because you benefitted from this event.
brother, i'm sure you've played for a long time so you know how the game works.
kabam separates progression into different rooms. when a new rank comes out they create a new room, put the shiniest tastiest bait in there and entice superwhales to get it. me and you are free to try for it but since we're not trillionaire oil tycoons, we can't.
so what do we do? we wait patiently in our current rooms while kabam starts shuffling paragons and TB'ers into it. you might not like it but that's how it's always worked.
as we temporarily share the same space with paragons and TBers, in the next 6-8 months kabam will start giving non-whale valiants better access to r4s (content, objectives, special spring cleaning and july 4 offers) and we'll eventually join the oil sheiks and business owners in the fancy room and finally leave the gross yucky disgusting paragons and TBers to themselves. that's how the game works.
sidenote: if we got more 7* shards and sig stones, it would only accelerate the economy and bring about 8*s even faster and we would complain about that too!
I hope you guys analyse thoroughly not just the data from the event, but the huge backlash, it's been 8 years since i'm playing this game and i have never seen a banquet event being so criticized
We have pretty good analytics tools for the forums and Discord now, so yes that's part of what I'm waiting to see. I have some suspicions about what is going on but I don't know for sure until I can see the report.
Analytic tool for discord?... Last time I checked discord was basically an annex of global chat with the only difference being live moderators to silence or ban inappropriate behavior. I wonder what kind of results this tool will show about the 1200+ middle fingers given to the announcement...
"hey f u kabam but also here's my money" tells me the community's moans are mostly empty gestures, as they usually are.
they balanced the rewards between milestones and SBCs well enough that it didn't affect the economy and gave us the same good rewards overall. if they had done what we wanted and buffed SBCs we would be crying about the spending gap and why we're getting 8*s so fast.
Yeah cause a TB with now 2 or 3 r3s closes the gap to a whale with now 35+ r3s Sounds like a great idea. Didn't affect the economy? You have people that didn't finish act 6 with similar or same rewards as people who explored Necropolis how did that not affect the economy?...
we've got a brand new rank. this means:
-the whales pay a fortune to have first access -r3s lose value -kabam bumps up paragons and thronbreakers with more r3s -the rest of us non-whale valiants will be second in line for rank 4s (content, etc..)
we have a choice between spending a fortune for one or waiting, there's no other option. do you want kabam to give us scrubs cheap r4s??
Did I say that?... I want to be rewarded accordingly.... I want my effort to actually have some value as opposed to spending 365 days a year farming arenas, not doing content and receiving the same reward pool is that so hard to understand?
for now, temporarily at least, non-whale valiants and paragons/TBers are defacto in the same pool. we could have moved to the r4 pool but it would have cost five figures.
you're kind of implying that since you can't get a rank 4 at the same rate as a multi millionaire super whale, that we should gate-keep the rank that JUST GOT DOWNGRADED to second place (r3). that's not how the game works.
You are an assumption making machine...My rewards got limited because what would be suitable for me is too much for. TB account. It has nothing to do with me and whales getting R4s. Because they are in the same pool I got less 7* crystals and Titan crystals, that translates to awakenings and sig levels. I ended up with an overflow of t5cc and way too much t6b, t3a and t6cc included, which for a TB has a lot more value than players like me. Is that clear enough now? One of the highest milestones was an r1-2 Gem while I''m sitting on overflow of r2 mats if you can't see the problem is because you benefitted from this event.
brother, i'm sure you've played for a long time so you know how the game works.
kabam separates progression into different rooms. when a new rank comes out they create a new room, put the shiniest tastiest bait in there and entice superwhales to get it. me and you are free to try for it but since we're not trillionaire oil tycoons, we can't.
so what do we do? we wait patiently in our current rooms while kabam starts shuffling paragons and TB'ers into it. you might not like it but that's how it's always worked.
as we temporarily share the same space with paragons and TBers, in the next 6-8 months kabam will start giving non-whale valiants better access to r4s (content, objectives, special spring cleaning and july 4 offers) and we'll eventually join the oil sheiks and business owners in the fancy room and finally leave the gross yucky disgusting paragons and TBers to themselves. that's how the game works.
sidenote: if we got more 7* shards and sig stones, it would only accelerate the economy and bring about 8*s even faster and we would complain about that too!
Oh ffs I DONT CARE ABOUT THE R4s, stop telling me I am put in a group to separate me from whales. How the heck do you know wether I am a heavy spender or not to be magically separating me from the whales? Do you want to know why I didn't spend on this event? Because the crystals were terrible. Why were they terrible? Because they were limited to what it was suitable for TBs. Funny you think that more 7* shards and sigs would accelerate 8*s... Its more r4s what would accelerate it not sig levels... You like comparing this event to CM so much, tell me why CM which is about a month apart from Banquet was progression gated and Banquet wasn't. I mean you like comparing them so much...
I hope you guys analyse thoroughly not just the data from the event, but the huge backlash, it's been 8 years since i'm playing this game and i have never seen a banquet event being so criticized
We have pretty good analytics tools for the forums and Discord now, so yes that's part of what I'm waiting to see. I have some suspicions about what is going on but I don't know for sure until I can see the report.
Analytic tool for discord?... Last time I checked discord was basically an annex of global chat with the only difference being live moderators to silence or ban inappropriate behavior. I wonder what kind of results this tool will show about the 1200+ middle fingers given to the announcement...
"hey f u kabam but also here's my money" tells me the community's moans are mostly empty gestures, as they usually are.
they balanced the rewards between milestones and SBCs well enough that it didn't affect the economy and gave us the same good rewards overall. if they had done what we wanted and buffed SBCs we would be crying about the spending gap and why we're getting 8*s so fast.
Yeah cause a TB with now 2 or 3 r3s closes the gap to a whale with now 35+ r3s Sounds like a great idea. Didn't affect the economy? You have people that didn't finish act 6 with similar or same rewards as people who explored Necropolis how did that not affect the economy?...
we've got a brand new rank. this means:
-the whales pay a fortune to have first access -r3s lose value -kabam bumps up paragons and thronbreakers with more r3s -the rest of us non-whale valiants will be second in line for rank 4s (content, etc..)
we have a choice between spending a fortune for one or waiting, there's no other option. do you want kabam to give us scrubs cheap r4s??
Did I say that?... I want to be rewarded accordingly.... I want my effort to actually have some value as opposed to spending 365 days a year farming arenas, not doing content and receiving the same reward pool is that so hard to understand?
for now, temporarily at least, non-whale valiants and paragons/TBers are defacto in the same pool. we could have moved to the r4 pool but it would have cost five figures.
you're kind of implying that since you can't get a rank 4 at the same rate as a multi millionaire super whale, that we should gate-keep the rank that JUST GOT DOWNGRADED to second place (r3). that's not how the game works.
You are an assumption making machine...My rewards got limited because what would be suitable for me is too much for. TB account. It has nothing to do with me and whales getting R4s. Because they are in the same pool I got less 7* crystals and Titan crystals, that translates to awakenings and sig levels. I ended up with an overflow of t5cc and way too much t6b, t3a and t6cc included, which for a TB has a lot more value than players like me. Is that clear enough now? One of the highest milestones was an r1-2 Gem while I''m sitting on overflow of r2 mats if you can't see the problem is because you benefitted from this event.
No you didn't. You and others keep thinking you're getting TB rewards. No. TBs got valiant rewards but you have no proof you got less because TBs and Paragons had access to the same crystal.
Last year, all progressions had access to the GBCs. Were you mad last year that TBs could get T4A? You're not getting less.
Just like with all high ranking materials, they slow roll it out. It was the same last year for rank 3's. Started small but we quickly had access to more which will be the same.
Wrong. You want proof? The fact that one of the highest milestones had an R1-R2 gem is pretty good proof that I got TB rewards. The fact that the crystals were loaded with a 30% drop rate of t6cc frags, something that as Valiant I got plenty of access thru BG, Glory Store and content is pretty good proof that my rewards were limited by sharing the pool. Opening 80+ crystals and getting 2 7* crystals and less than 1 Titan is proof that I got less rewards.
Last year? I was mad I was getting 6* shards, and **** materials because I shared a pool with TBs,and Cavs... Which is a reason I said last banquet was horrible and this one was worse.
I hope you guys analyse thoroughly not just the data from the event, but the huge backlash, it's been 8 years since i'm playing this game and i have never seen a banquet event being so criticized
We have pretty good analytics tools for the forums and Discord now, so yes that's part of what I'm waiting to see. I have some suspicions about what is going on but I don't know for sure until I can see the report.
Analytic tool for discord?... Last time I checked discord was basically an annex of global chat with the only difference being live moderators to silence or ban inappropriate behavior. I wonder what kind of results this tool will show about the 1200+ middle fingers given to the announcement...
"hey f u kabam but also here's my money" tells me the community's moans are mostly empty gestures, as they usually are.
they balanced the rewards between milestones and SBCs well enough that it didn't affect the economy and gave us the same good rewards overall. if they had done what we wanted and buffed SBCs we would be crying about the spending gap and why we're getting 8*s so fast.
Yeah cause a TB with now 2 or 3 r3s closes the gap to a whale with now 35+ r3s Sounds like a great idea. Didn't affect the economy? You have people that didn't finish act 6 with similar or same rewards as people who explored Necropolis how did that not affect the economy?...
we've got a brand new rank. this means:
-the whales pay a fortune to have first access -r3s lose value -kabam bumps up paragons and thronbreakers with more r3s -the rest of us non-whale valiants will be second in line for rank 4s (content, etc..)
we have a choice between spending a fortune for one or waiting, there's no other option. do you want kabam to give us scrubs cheap r4s??
Did I say that?... I want to be rewarded accordingly.... I want my effort to actually have some value as opposed to spending 365 days a year farming arenas, not doing content and receiving the same reward pool is that so hard to understand?
for now, temporarily at least, non-whale valiants and paragons/TBers are defacto in the same pool. we could have moved to the r4 pool but it would have cost five figures.
you're kind of implying that since you can't get a rank 4 at the same rate as a multi millionaire super whale, that we should gate-keep the rank that JUST GOT DOWNGRADED to second place (r3). that's not how the game works.
You are an assumption making machine...My rewards got limited because what would be suitable for me is too much for. TB account. It has nothing to do with me and whales getting R4s. Because they are in the same pool I got less 7* crystals and Titan crystals, that translates to awakenings and sig levels. I ended up with an overflow of t5cc and way too much t6b, t3a and t6cc included, which for a TB has a lot more value than players like me. Is that clear enough now? One of the highest milestones was an r1-2 Gem while I''m sitting on overflow of r2 mats if you can't see the problem is because you benefitted from this event.
No you didn't. You and others keep thinking you're getting TB rewards. No. TBs got valiant rewards but you have no proof you got less because TBs and Paragons had access to the same crystal.
Last year, all progressions had access to the GBCs. Were you mad last year that TBs could get T4A? You're not getting less.
Just like with all high ranking materials, they slow roll it out. It was the same last year for rank 3's. Started small but we quickly had access to more which will be the same.
Wrong. You want proof? The fact that one of the highest milestones had an R1-R2 gem is pretty good proof that I got TB rewards. The fact that the crystals were loaded with a 30% drop rate of t6cc frags, something that as Valiant I got plenty of access thru BG, Glory Store and content is pretty good proof that my rewards were limited by sharing the pool. Opening 80+ crystals and getting 2 7* crystals and less than 1 Titan is proof that I got less rewards.
Last year? I was mad I was getting 6* shards, and **** materials because I shared a pool with TBs,and Cavs... Which is a reason I said last banquet was horrible and this one was worse.
So you're mad because you weren't handed an R4..
Yeah Demonzfyre I am mad that I didn't get an R4, that's the conclusion you take from all of my post about banquet so be it. If that's all your IQ can process from my post saying I don't care about the R4s I am not gonna argue it. I mean you could get the point that maybe more R3 mats, 7* shards, Titan shards or 7* Nexus were suitable for a Valiant account; but yeah I am mad I didn't get a free R4... I am mad I didn't get what some people spent over 5 figures to get when I support spenders and despise F2Ps...
Also the fact the livestream was prerecorded just goes to show you didn’t want to face the community backlash.
I'm curious to know what difference it would make being live or pre-recorded. They don't have to answer things said in chat. It's not a Q & A. They've already "faced" the backlash. They've told you that the problem wasn't the crystals but more so that they overvalued the keys. They've made several posts, answered on discord etc.. what more do you want them to answer?
I want to know in what way crashed measures this as a success. I have not seen this much backlash in a long time. Like 99% of the community in agreement that it was horrible then the few like you and gw with a brown nose being the 1% minority always defending them. I would love to see crashed’s analytics that he shows in any way this event was a success. Words are words. Proof is in the evidence. Now go put your head back where it belongs.
He didn't say it was resounding success but it's more successful than how you're thinking of it.
like I said words are words. I would love to see the evidence to support it.
Weren't you pushing a boycott? What evidence would suffice for someone with that position?
The issue is he's talking about their goals from a data perspective, which is fair. That's what they base everything on. If their objectives were met through the data, then that shows the Event as a success. Unfortunately, the disparity is between the data and the feedback and I'm afraid no matter how much noise we make, if people put the numbers up, then that's going to reflect. Which is why there's nothing more they can add. They could say, "We see you're not happy.". That wouldn't help anything. It would just enflame the situation. None of the suggested solutions were feasible. Redoing the Crystal code...refunding people their Units....giving people twice the Crystals....all of that was unreasonable. Sorry to be the one to say it, but it was. So there's nothing much else they can say until they look at the results. This wasn't the type of Event that could be adjusted on the spot like that. They added some extras through the Milestones. That's the best we were going to get.
You already got a response from Kabam Crashed. There was a ton of insight in his post. Also, when you're on vacation at work, are you expected to work?
The "failure" is really just on the side of your expectations weren't met. It wasn't a real failure. We hit the top milestones, we went well past the stretch goals and Kabam Crashed said there was at least a 34% increase in opened crystals this year vs last.
The failure is that you didn't get what you thought you'd get. That's on you as Kabam has said that the few things they are taking serious notes on is how they valued a few of the items.
Also the fact the livestream was prerecorded just goes to show you didn’t want to face the community backlash.
I'm curious to know what difference it would make being live or pre-recorded. They don't have to answer things said in chat. It's not a Q & A. They've already "faced" the backlash. They've told you that the problem wasn't the crystals but more so that they overvalued the keys. They've made several posts, answered on discord etc.. what more do you want them to answer?
I want to know in what way crashed measures this as a success. I have not seen this much backlash in a long time. Like 99% of the community in agreement that it was horrible then the few like you and gw with a brown nose being the 1% minority always defending them. I would love to see crashed’s analytics that he shows in any way this event was a success. Words are words. Proof is in the evidence. Now go put your head back where it belongs.
He didn't say it was resounding success but it's more successful than how you're thinking of it.
like I said words are words. I would love to see the evidence to support it.
Weren't you pushing a boycott? What evidence would suffice for someone with that position?
The issue is he's talking about their goals from a data perspective, which is fair. That's what they base everything on. If their objectives were met through the data, then that shows the Event as a success. Unfortunately, the disparity is between the data and the feedback and I'm afraid no matter how much noise we make, if people put the numbers up, then that's going to reflect. Which is why there's nothing more they can add. They could say, "We see you're not happy.". That wouldn't help anything. It would just enflame the situation. None of the suggested solutions were feasible. Redoing the Crystal code...refunding people their Units....giving people twice the Crystals....all of that was unreasonable. Sorry to be the one to say it, but it was. So there's nothing much else they can say until they look at the results. This wasn't the type of Event that could be adjusted on the spot like that. They added some extras through the Milestones. That's the best we were going to get.
Its very fair on data perspective. Not sure how a tool for discord and forum would have analytic data... All it takes is 1 person to read the posts and see the community is heavily unhappy. Not sure how a tool is gonna weight in "upset" as data... Now the middle finger counter on discord could be analyzed...
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Second is why include TB with paragon and valiant in the first place. Isnt the end goal of every event to make people at lower progressions desire to progress further. Banquet and July 4th are money ticket to progress further. Then shouldnt they have their own set of rewards which will let them buy their way to next progression? What does valiant gain from this who are already at the top progression and already have most required by a TB to progress further. Inbetween whales and TBs and paragon, we FTP and occasional spenders Valiants are the only ones who got the SHORT END OF THE STICK.
The most talked problems were DROP RATES. It was not what were promised. If T6B, T3A, T4 A and 7* shards drop rates were much much higher then it would have been worthwhile instead of getting a T5cc. And that gets us back to the point it would make TBs more rewarded than valiants. And again why combine Valiant, Paragon and TBs?
These would be the major feedback from the community.
they balanced the rewards between milestones and SBCs well enough that it didn't affect the economy and gave us the same good rewards overall. if they had done what we wanted and buffed SBCs we would be crying about the spending gap and why we're getting 8*s so fast.
Sounds like a great idea.
Didn't affect the economy? You have people that didn't finish act 6 with similar or same rewards as people who explored Necropolis how did that not affect the economy?...
-the whales pay a fortune to have first access
-r3s lose value
-kabam bumps up paragons and thronbreakers with more r3s
-the rest of us non-whale valiants will be second in line for rank 4s (content, etc..)
we have a choice between spending a fortune for one or waiting, there's no other option. do you want kabam to give us scrubs cheap r4s??
I want to be rewarded accordingly....
I want my effort to actually have some value as opposed to spending 365 days a year farming arenas, not doing content and receiving the same reward pool is that so hard to understand?
https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/354001/its-that-time-of-year-banquet-and-accolade-events-are-here/p1
This was last year. You could get 5700 T4A and it was still "underwhelming".
You need t5cc to rank up 7*'s, it's why it's in there. Not everyone who plays the game is drowning in t5cc.
you're kind of implying that since you can't get a rank 4 at the same rate as a multi millionaire super whale, that we should gate-keep the rank that JUST GOT DOWNGRADED to second place (r3). that's not how the game works.
One of the highest milestones was an r1-2 Gem while I''m sitting on overflow of r2 mats if you can't see the problem is because you benefitted from this event.
Last year, all progressions had access to the GBCs. Were you mad last year that TBs could get T4A? You're not getting less.
Just like with all high ranking materials, they slow roll it out. It was the same last year for rank 3's. Started small but we quickly had access to more which will be the same.
Wrong.
You want proof?
The fact that one of the highest milestones had an R1-R2 gem is pretty good proof that I got TB rewards.
The fact that the crystals were loaded with a 30% drop rate of t6cc frags, something that as Valiant I got plenty of access thru BG, Glory Store and content is pretty good proof that my rewards were limited by sharing the pool.
Opening 80+ crystals and getting 2 7* crystals and less than 1 Titan is proof that I got less rewards.
Last year? I was mad I was getting 6* shards, and **** materials because I shared a pool with TBs,and Cavs... Which is a reason I said last banquet was horrible and this one was worse.
kabam separates progression into different rooms. when a new rank comes out they create a new room, put the shiniest tastiest bait in there and entice superwhales to get it. me and you are free to try for it but since we're not trillionaire oil tycoons, we can't.
so what do we do? we wait patiently in our current rooms while kabam starts shuffling paragons and TB'ers into it. you might not like it but that's how it's always worked.
as we temporarily share the same space with paragons and TBers, in the next 6-8 months kabam will start giving non-whale valiants better access to r4s (content, objectives, special spring cleaning and july 4 offers) and we'll eventually join the oil sheiks and business owners in the fancy room and finally leave the gross yucky disgusting paragons and TBers to themselves. that's how the game works.
sidenote: if we got more 7* shards and sig stones, it would only accelerate the economy and bring about 8*s even faster and we would complain about that too!
Funny you think that more 7* shards and sigs would accelerate 8*s... Its more r4s what would accelerate it not sig levels...
You like comparing this event to CM so much, tell me why CM which is about a month apart from Banquet was progression gated and Banquet wasn't. I mean you like comparing them so much...
I mean you could get the point that maybe more R3 mats, 7* shards, Titan shards or 7* Nexus were suitable for a Valiant account; but yeah I am mad I didn't get a free R4... I am mad I didn't get what some people spent over 5 figures to get when I support spenders and despise F2Ps...
The issue is he's talking about their goals from a data perspective, which is fair. That's what they base everything on. If their objectives were met through the data, then that shows the Event as a success.
Unfortunately, the disparity is between the data and the feedback and I'm afraid no matter how much noise we make, if people put the numbers up, then that's going to reflect. Which is why there's nothing more they can add.
They could say, "We see you're not happy.". That wouldn't help anything. It would just enflame the situation. None of the suggested solutions were feasible. Redoing the Crystal code...refunding people their Units....giving people twice the Crystals....all of that was unreasonable. Sorry to be the one to say it, but it was.
So there's nothing much else they can say until they look at the results. This wasn't the type of Event that could be adjusted on the spot like that.
They added some extras through the Milestones. That's the best we were going to get.
Thanks