Kabam forget how to do fight that all players are able to enjoy. I am 46 and I dont have reflection of 15 y old boy, for me is this fight unplayable. I allways was able to pay eventualy some progres and compesated some lack of skill, but I will not pay at all from now for anythink. From now kabam can forget my money exist. I allready canceIed sigil, I dont need this, I am too old for this 💩
Same here bro. Not only do I not have the reflection of a 15 year old boy, I don't have his reflexes either anymore.
I mentioned this in a separate thread. In hindsight, I think it’s poorly designed. This currently version of Ares should be the Ares 2.0 we will fight in the future, similar to how Collector and Grandmaster have a second version of themselves.
Ares has a specific instructions on how to avoid damage from his special attacks, but what does Kabam do? They don’t ease you in to a new champion’s animations. What do I mean by that? From 100-90%, sure you can get used to his SP1. But what happens after that? He randomly chooses between SP1 and SP2.
What should happen? Phase 1: allow the players to get familiar with SP1 Phase 2: allow the players to get familiar with SP2 Phase 3: allow the players to get familiar with alternating between SP1 and SP2 Phase 4 & 5: randomize the special attacks
I think that would’ve been a much pleasant experience for the players. Granted, he’s still difficult, but it becomes increasingly more difficult as the fight goes on through the above suggestion.
Some aspects of the fight are interesting however as you say the precision requirement sucks. Like it’s hard enough to lock in and perform specific actions in the correct order but to also determine what special is being thrown and then time everything right especially the late phases feels like they are trying to hard to design outside the box. If they lessened the precision of inputs it would be better.
I mentioned this in a separate thread. In hindsight, I think it’s poorly designed. This currently version of Ares should be the Ares 2.0 we will fight in the future, similar to how Collector and Grandmaster have a second version of themselves.
Ares has a specific instructions on how to avoid damage from his special attacks, but what does Kabam do? They don’t ease you in to a new champion’s animations. What do I mean by that? From 100-90%, sure you can get used to his SP1. But what happens after that? He randomly chooses between SP1 and SP2.
What should happen? Phase 1: allow the players to get familiar with SP1 Phase 2: allow the players to get familiar with SP2 Phase 3: allow the players to get familiar with alternating between SP1 and SP2 Phase 4 & 5: randomize the special attacks
I think that would’ve been a much pleasant experience for the players. Granted, he’s still difficult, but it becomes increasingly more difficult as the fight goes on through the above suggestion.
Exactly. When I slowly learnt his special 1 in phase 1 he went to next phase and started random specials lol.
Guys you are making me scared lol. I have silk, hulk and sentry( think he will be good for the longer fights), 1k units and 20 revives. This should be more than enough for the debuff path right?
Guys you are making me scared lol. I have silk, hulk and sentry( think he will be good for the longer fights), 1k units and 20 revives. This should be more than enough for the debuff path right?
Guys you are making me scared lol. I have silk, hulk and sentry( think he will be good for the longer fights), 1k units and 20 revives. This should be more than enough for the debuff path right?
Dayum. Can't even hit the arenas cuz I have exams. Guess I will have to wait about a month. Still gonna see how far I get 0 revives tho. Thanks for all the insight will!
Instead of ares I finally completed these challenges Also I really counted my revives and put in down in the register to make all guides forum post But is it too late for that because willrun4adonut captain rogers and that mr. Negative guy had already made the guides with best explanation possible So should I make the guides of how I did my runs and some best strategy for the specific defenders?
Guys you are making me scared lol. I have silk, hulk and sentry( think he will be good for the longer fights), 1k units and 20 revives. This should be more than enough for the debuff path right?
If you can, complete eq first That way you will have the revive pack available to buy with the units in case you need it I used around 20-25 revives on my first run (same path) using silk, ironheart and deathless she hulk
Guys you are making me scared lol. I have silk, hulk and sentry( think he will be good for the longer fights), 1k units and 20 revives. This should be more than enough for the debuff path right?
If you can, complete eq first That way you will have the revive pack available to buy with the units in case you need it I used around 20-25 revives on my first run (same path) using silk, ironheart and deathless she hulk
How much is the revive pack and which eq gives the best one
Guys you are making me scared lol. I have silk, hulk and sentry( think he will be good for the longer fights), 1k units and 20 revives. This should be more than enough for the debuff path right?
If you can, complete eq first That way you will have the revive pack available to buy with the units in case you need it I used around 20-25 revives on my first run (same path) using silk, ironheart and deathless she hulk
Also should I swap 7 star r1 sentry for 6 star r4 ironheart?
Guys you are making me scared lol. I have silk, hulk and sentry( think he will be good for the longer fights), 1k units and 20 revives. This should be more than enough for the debuff path right?
If you can, complete eq first That way you will have the revive pack available to buy with the units in case you need it I used around 20-25 revives on my first run (same path) using silk, ironheart and deathless she hulk
How much is the revive pack and which eq gives the best one
1k TB and cav give the same deal, I like that one because it also gives you 10 30% attack/hp boost
Guys you are making me scared lol. I have silk, hulk and sentry( think he will be good for the longer fights), 1k units and 20 revives. This should be more than enough for the debuff path right?
If you can, complete eq first That way you will have the revive pack available to buy with the units in case you need it I used around 20-25 revives on my first run (same path) using silk, ironheart and deathless she hulk
How much is the revive pack and which eq gives the best one
1k TB and cav give the same deal, I like that one because it also gives you 10 30% attack/hp boost
The energy refills are nice too. Overall it's not a great deal, but better than just buying revives individually from the store.
Guys you are making me scared lol. I have silk, hulk and sentry( think he will be good for the longer fights), 1k units and 20 revives. This should be more than enough for the debuff path right?
If you can, complete eq first That way you will have the revive pack available to buy with the units in case you need it I used around 20-25 revives on my first run (same path) using silk, ironheart and deathless she hulk
Also should I swap 7 star r1 sentry for 6 star r4 ironheart?
No, Sentry was an mvp for me, carries in the nebula and Adam warlock fight, bc he can gain buffs without actually hitting the opponent.
Guys you are making me scared lol. I have silk, hulk and sentry( think he will be good for the longer fights), 1k units and 20 revives. This should be more than enough for the debuff path right?
If you can, complete eq first That way you will have the revive pack available to buy with the units in case you need it I used around 20-25 revives on my first run (same path) using silk, ironheart and deathless she hulk
Also should I swap 7 star r1 sentry for 6 star r4 ironheart?
No, Sentry was an mvp for me, carries in the nebula and Adam warlock fight, bc he can gain buffs without actually hitting the opponent.
Yeah, you were smart to use him. I'm waiting for the BG rewards to come to my inbox so I can buy the T4As and T6CCs to R3 my Sentry and then do Necropolis and EoP with him. I'm not like you young guns who can do it with a 7R1 Sentry. I need that extra juice for my 40-year-old hands.
Guys you are making me scared lol. I have silk, hulk and sentry( think he will be good for the longer fights), 1k units and 20 revives. This should be more than enough for the debuff path right?
If you can, complete eq first That way you will have the revive pack available to buy with the units in case you need it I used around 20-25 revives on my first run (same path) using silk, ironheart and deathless she hulk
Also should I swap 7 star r1 sentry for 6 star r4 ironheart?
No, Sentry was an mvp for me, carries in the nebula and Adam warlock fight, bc he can gain buffs without actually hitting the opponent.
Yeah, you were smart to use him. I'm waiting for the BG rewards to come to my inbox so I can buy the T4As and T6CCs to R3 my Sentry and then do Necropolis and EoP with him. I'm not like you young guns who can do it with a 7R1 Sentry. I need that extra juice for my 40-year-old hands.
Gotta say, lots of people told me not to R3 sentry. But man his performance in necro and epoch have made the R3 so worth it.
Kabam forget how to do fight that all players are able to enjoy.
Just this.....
You don't speak or represent all players, and others don't represent or speak for you. Kabam can't offer one type of content that will be enjoyed by everyone when everyone is not the same. Some players need revives to get through Apothecary, some players get bored unless the content is Necro-level difficult, and then a whole bunch fall somewhere in between. Don't be bitter if this content is too difficult for you. There is no shame in that, and it might end up being too much for me too. But I won't let that make me tell Kabam to get rid of it for everyone.
I'm not bitter just stating my opinion. Why would you say that? I only quoted someone else. And i don't believe what you're saying is what was meant.
I don't care that I'm not doing this content cause it's too difficult for me. I acknowledge that as part of my point. Its not for everyone. I don't let KABAM live rent free in my head like some people.
I just think far more people will dislike the fight than like it and that might not be in KABAMs best interest.
I don't know how to describe this well in english, but there are people, that can't do the fast different reactions well, or at all. Not a skill issue, it s a mind-reaction coordination that s different from one person to another. This also gets worse by age. The same issue was, with the Heimdall fight, and the light attack you needed to throw between his heavy movements. I don't mind difficult fights, but this, this no consideration of people with a certain, disability, same with color blindness particularly in this fight, is... I don't have a word for forcing these people, us, to spam revives to get something done.
I mentioned this in a separate thread. In hindsight, I think it’s poorly designed. This currently version of Ares should be the Ares 2.0 we will fight in the future, similar to how Collector and Grandmaster have a second version of themselves.
Ares has a specific instructions on how to avoid damage from his special attacks, but what does Kabam do? They don’t ease you in to a new champion’s animations. What do I mean by that? From 100-90%, sure you can get used to his SP1. But what happens after that? He randomly chooses between SP1 and SP2.
What should happen? Phase 1: allow the players to get familiar with SP1 Phase 2: allow the players to get familiar with SP2 Phase 3: allow the players to get familiar with alternating between SP1 and SP2 Phase 4 & 5: randomize the special attacks
I think that would’ve been a much pleasant experience for the players. Granted, he’s still difficult, but it becomes increasingly more difficult as the fight goes on through the above suggestion.
I agree with this for specials that are so complicated.
A clearer special indication would have helped tremendously. The eye glow thing is way too subtle to be useful and the weapons aren't obvious enough to recognize before you're getting smacked unless you're lightning fast. Something more like his standard point at you when the root spears come out for SP1, and something like Zangief's win pose with both arms pointing up for SP2 at the root spears would be great. If the point is for us to recognize it and perform the mini game perfectly, make it so most people that play the game can recognize it.
Guys you are making me scared lol. I have silk, hulk and sentry( think he will be good for the longer fights), 1k units and 20 revives. This should be more than enough for the debuff path right?
I took in a 6-star Sentry, and 7-star Silk and 7-star Ironheart.
Since the damage is mainly just debuff based on the Nebula path, it doesn't really matter whether Sentry is ramped up (on the path at least; I dunno if he'll hit harder at Ares but it also doesn't matter cause the focus is to gain Vigors). Sentry is great for the path because he can gain buffs (ignore Nebula's autoblock), his buffs are nullify immune (ignores one of the nodes on Adam Warlock), and can easily apply debuffs to take advantage of the path node.
I'm not that good, so the path itself took me 13 revives. Photon took more than I expected since I had difficulty managing my power levels, and Aegon was more annoying than I thought.
Ares himself took 29 revives. I mainly focused on the brute force method, as I couldn't get the timing down on the specials even if I knew which special it was. Some of the revives were because the AI was spazzy and wasted time constantly dashing back and blocking, but then light intercepting me when I try to attack.
I'd say an average skilled player could probably do it all with half that - the path in 7 revives, and Ares in 20 revives.
@willrun4adonut never stop writing brother. I’d pay for your write-ups. Also thanks for testing Howard out for me. I was going to take him at r1 for Adam…I’ll def figure out something else now
Guys you are making me scared lol. I have silk, hulk and sentry( think he will be good for the longer fights), 1k units and 20 revives. This should be more than enough for the debuff path right?
I'd say an average skilled player could probably do it all with half that - the path in 7 revives, and Ares in 20 revives.
I honestly wouldn't say that that is an average skilled players usage.
I normally enter this kind of content expecting it to be a revive sink and I am rarely disappointed but it does remove the "sad" regarding the end cost. Simple way I treat it, are the rewards worth xxxx units? If I would buy them for that amount then its ok to blow it on revives.
I am hopeful that it might be adjusted to make the specials easier to identify but there's also a good chance I will have to suck it up and spend baby spend.
I have no idea how you cope with so many incursion carries @willrun4adonut but is there a chance spending so much time in that mode has soured the other stuff?
Stay average and keep going brother, I need the company!
I normally enter this kind of content expecting it to be a revive sink and I am rarely disappointed but it does remove the "sad" regarding the end cost. Simple way I treat it, are the rewards worth xxxx units? If I would buy them for that amount then its ok to blow it on revives.
I am hopeful that it might be adjusted to make the specials easier to identify but there's also a good chance I will have to suck it up and spend baby spend.
I have no idea how you cope with so many incursion carries @willrun4adonut but is there a chance spending so much time in that mode has soured the other stuff?
Stay average and keep going brother, I need the company!
Soured isn't the correct word. I just don't enjoy the bosses that require special mini-games. I'm fine with stuff like the GM because, while I still stink at him, it isn't a super split second decision. I still (after 10 times fighting him) have never gotten him wounded in the reverse control phase. And again, I'm fine with that. For Deathless Thanos in EoP, I never was able to Dex his sp2. And I'm done with that as well to just revive through that. Others like the mini game with Ares, and I have no problem with that either. It's just that if this is how future bosses will be, I'd rather spend my time elsewhere.
Guys you are making me scared lol. I have silk, hulk and sentry( think he will be good for the longer fights), 1k units and 20 revives. This should be more than enough for the debuff path right?
If you can, complete eq first That way you will have the revive pack available to buy with the units in case you need it I used around 20-25 revives on my first run (same path) using silk, ironheart and deathless she hulk
How much is the revive pack and which eq gives the best one
1k TB and cav give the same deal, I like that one because it also gives you 10 30% attack/hp boost
Another as always awesome chart from CatMurdock showing the revive offers you get for completing the different difficulty levels of EQ:
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Ares has a specific instructions on how to avoid damage from his special attacks, but what does Kabam do? They don’t ease you in to a new champion’s animations. What do I mean by that? From 100-90%, sure you can get used to his SP1. But what happens after that? He randomly chooses between SP1 and SP2.
What should happen?
Phase 1: allow the players to get familiar with SP1
Phase 2: allow the players to get familiar with SP2
Phase 3: allow the players to get familiar with alternating between SP1 and SP2
Phase 4 & 5: randomize the special attacks
I think that would’ve been a much pleasant experience for the players. Granted, he’s still difficult, but it becomes increasingly more difficult as the fight goes on through the above suggestion.
Instead of ares I finally completed these challenges Also I really counted my revives and put in down in the register to make all guides forum post
But is it too late for that because willrun4adonut captain rogers and that mr. Negative guy had already made the guides with best explanation possible
So should I make the guides of how I did my runs and some best strategy for the specific defenders?
That way you will have the revive pack available to buy with the units in case you need it
I used around 20-25 revives on my first run (same path) using silk, ironheart and deathless she hulk
TB and cav give the same deal, I like that one because it also gives you 10 30% attack/hp boost
Overall it's not a great deal, but better than just buying revives individually from the store.
I'm waiting for the BG rewards to come to my inbox so I can buy the T4As and T6CCs to R3 my Sentry and then do Necropolis and EoP with him.
I'm not like you young guns who can do it with a 7R1 Sentry. I need that extra juice for my 40-year-old hands.
Kabam can't offer one type of content that will be enjoyed by everyone when everyone is not the same.
Some players need revives to get through Apothecary, some players get bored unless the content is Necro-level difficult, and then a whole bunch fall somewhere in between.
Don't be bitter if this content is too difficult for you.
There is no shame in that, and it might end up being too much for me too.
But I won't let that make me tell Kabam to get rid of it for everyone.
I'm not bitter just stating my opinion. Why would you say that? I only quoted someone else. And i don't believe what you're saying is what was meant.
I don't care that I'm not doing this content cause it's too difficult for me. I acknowledge that as part of my point. Its not for everyone. I don't let KABAM live rent free in my head like some people.
I just think far more people will dislike the fight than like it and that might not be in KABAMs best interest.
The same issue was, with the Heimdall fight, and the light attack you needed to throw between his heavy movements.
I don't mind difficult fights, but this, this no consideration of people with a certain, disability, same with color blindness particularly in this fight, is... I don't have a word for forcing these people, us, to spam revives to get something done.
A clearer special indication would have helped tremendously. The eye glow thing is way too subtle to be useful and the weapons aren't obvious enough to recognize before you're getting smacked unless you're lightning fast. Something more like his standard point at you when the root spears come out for SP1, and something like Zangief's win pose with both arms pointing up for SP2 at the root spears would be great. If the point is for us to recognize it and perform the mini game perfectly, make it so most people that play the game can recognize it.
Since the damage is mainly just debuff based on the Nebula path, it doesn't really matter whether Sentry is ramped up (on the path at least; I dunno if he'll hit harder at Ares but it also doesn't matter cause the focus is to gain Vigors). Sentry is great for the path because he can gain buffs (ignore Nebula's autoblock), his buffs are nullify immune (ignores one of the nodes on Adam Warlock), and can easily apply debuffs to take advantage of the path node.
I'm not that good, so the path itself took me 13 revives. Photon took more than I expected since I had difficulty managing my power levels, and Aegon was more annoying than I thought.
Ares himself took 29 revives. I mainly focused on the brute force method, as I couldn't get the timing down on the specials even if I knew which special it was. Some of the revives were because the AI was spazzy and wasted time constantly dashing back and blocking, but then light intercepting me when I try to attack.
I'd say an average skilled player could probably do it all with half that - the path in 7 revives, and Ares in 20 revives.
I am hopeful that it might be adjusted to make the specials easier to identify but there's also a good chance I will have to suck it up and spend baby spend.
I have no idea how you cope with so many incursion carries @willrun4adonut but is there a chance spending so much time in that mode has soured the other stuff?
Stay average and keep going brother, I need the company!
Revive fest essentially