And again, I personally don't even have a problem with it being a revive fest for a majority of the playerbase, though I know plenty of people who do.
It's like some people can't fathom that revives exist for a reason. You shouldn't need to or be able to solo every fight. It's ok to use saved up items or units lol.
MSD solo'd Ares with 7R3 sig 200 Serpent, no revives needed.
The difference of skill level between a player like MSD and an average player is night and day. But it does indicate that flawless play can get you through the fight without a single unit spent. And I also won't complain that the other option is to just sink revive after revive to get it done. I'm glad that there is an expensive option to at least finish the fight if you can't play like a God. Imagine if the only way to ramp the damage was through his specials. Me and many other like me wouldn't even dare to get a single completion.
I did the the debuff run with Howard, silk and Hulk.
I decided that this will be my last write-up ever as I can offer no valuable insight that others can't give. Everyone was a solo except Adam Warlock, whom I had to use about fifteen revives on as I thought his heavy could take off several health points, but it's too short and only does a single 2%.
For Ares, if you can NOT do his special attack, you can brute force him down with a 7r3 hulk with 24 revives to the 1 HP phase. (I didn't Dex a single special and always got KO'd). And that's all I can share.
Also, if future bosses are like this, I may actually be done playing. I just can't memorize and react fast enough with the split second to decide which action to do. However, I do think the fight is very well done and enjoyable, just not for me. And since I have to 100% everything, it may be time to walk away if the next bosses are geared like Ares.
I appreciate this post so much. It’s really been my entire experience as a mid level valiant player. I have done one run in Abyss and just blew revives on Ægon. It sucked the very idea of joy for this type of content right out of me. I haven’t touched Necro, knowing I have all the right champs to do so, I simply don’t have what it takes. Now Epoch, maybe I can get through it, but it will require a whole lot of revives and I won’t even bother trying to learn the actual mechanics of the fights. If that’s what Kabam wants from their players, to just brute force through content without enjoyment or a learning experience, then so be it. And I will never comprehend when people call this type of content “fun”.
MSD solo'd Ares with 7R3 sig 200 Serpent, no revives needed.
The difference of skill level between a player like MSD and an average player is night and day. But it does indicate that flawless play can get you through the fight without a single unit spent. And I also won't complain that the other option is to just sink revive after revive to get it done. I'm glad that there is an expensive option to at least finish the fight if you can't play like a God. Imagine if the only way to ramp the damage was through his specials. Me and many other like me wouldn't even dare to get a single completion.
He also has a loaded roster whereby he can select the perfect 7R3 counter for the task. When I have the same champ as the one he uses, I can watch and analyze his playing and replicate 70% or more of his results. So yes he's great, but mainly because he figures out by himself how to win these matches and oftentimes during the match itself.
That's really the hardest part of the game. The analysis and the strategy and the roster. I basically need all 3, and people like MSD unfortunately can only provide me with the first two.
MSD solo'd Ares with 7R3 sig 200 Serpent, no revives needed.
So if Steph Curry can make 10 three pointers with his eyes closed, everybody else in the league should be able to?
Think before you spew nonsense.
I literally only said MSD solo'd him, a factually true statement with no additional commentary. What part of that is "spewing nonsense" exactly? Get your emotions under control, seriously.
MSD solo'd Ares with 7R3 sig 200 Serpent, no revives needed.
So if Steph Curry can make 10 three pointers with his eyes closed, everybody else in the league should be able to?
Think before you spew nonsense.
I literally only said MSD solo'd him, a factually true statement with no additional commentary. What part of that is "spewing nonsense" exactly? Get your emotions under control, seriously.
Guess you completely missed my point, which is shocking even if you had bad comprehension because my analogy couldn't have been more clear
Took Angela as she has good damage, and even though she regened, it didn't seem like Ares was hitting harder. Though he did call me a wimp for regening with a call-out. Took 20 revives I believe, with again not dexxing any specials.
However, the AI (which I never thought I'd say this as I've made fun of others for doing so) was terrible for the last 1% this time. I was all the way in my corner, which should make him more aggressive, and he'd walk to me, stop and block, eetc.I didn't have any trouble intercepting him last time, but this time was ridiculous. So I apologize to everyone that I every made fun of comparing about AI issues. (Or at least I don't think I've ever complained about it if anyone wants to double check my many posts).
Instead of ares I finally completed these challenges Also I really counted my revives and put in down in the register to make all guides forum post But is it too late for that because willrun4adonut captain rogers and that mr. Negative guy had already made the guides with best explanation possible So should I make the guides of how I did my runs and some best strategy for the specific defenders?
People still need Necropolis guides.
You don't have to do the whole thing; but giving people pointers on strategies/pain points is still useful.
So, clearly Ares is hard, but can be pushed through. Numbers-wise, it sounds like you're using similar numbers of revives with Ares as you did with Necropolis Grandmaster.
Like you I'm a bit of a slogger; I've done three Necropolis paths, and I'm eyeing up a Deathless run, next.
What are your thoughts on going for Epoch, rather than pushing through with Necropolis exploration?
So, clearly Ares is hard, but can be pushed through. Numbers-wise, it sounds like you're using similar numbers of revives with Ares as you did with Necropolis Grandmaster.
Like you I'm a bit of a slogger; I've done three Necropolis paths, and I'm eyeing up a Deathless run, next.
What are your thoughts on going for Epoch, rather than pushing through with Necropolis exploration?
The rewards for Epoch are miles better (unless you are really wanting that Maestro). However, I found Necro to be more enjoyable (but also takes longer). It is also less roster dependent than Epoch though, and not limited by star level, so you have to take that into account. So I'd suggest Epoch instead of Necro if you have the roster to do both.
Took Angela as she has good damage, and even though she regened, it didn't seem like Ares was hitting harder. Though he did call me a wimp for regening with a call-out. Took 20 revives I believe, with again not dexxing any specials.
However, the AI (which I never thought I'd say this as I've made fun of others for doing so) was terrible for the last 1% this time. I was all the way in my corner, which should make him more aggressive, and he'd walk to me, stop and block, eetc.I didn't have any trouble intercepting him last time, but this time was ridiculous. So I apologize to everyone that I every made fun of comparing about AI issues. (Or at least I don't think I've ever complained about it if anyone wants to double check my many posts).
Still the Nebula debuff path? If so, what was your strategy for Nebula and Adam because the number of buffs doesn't seem enough to ignore Nebula's autoblock?
And yeah, it is weird how random Ares AI is. And the AI doesn't 'change' even if you get KO'd, or quit and restart the game. If you have bad luck and get the "blocking all the time AI", you are in for a frustrating run.
Took Angela as she has good damage, and even though she regened, it didn't seem like Ares was hitting harder. Though he did call me a wimp for regening with a call-out. Took 20 revives I believe, with again not dexxing any specials.
However, the AI (which I never thought I'd say this as I've made fun of others for doing so) was terrible for the last 1% this time. I was all the way in my corner, which should make him more aggressive, and he'd walk to me, stop and block, eetc.I didn't have any trouble intercepting him last time, but this time was ridiculous. So I apologize to everyone that I every made fun of comparing about AI issues. (Or at least I don't think I've ever complained about it if anyone wants to double check my many posts).
Still the Nebula debuff path? If so, what was your strategy for Nebula and Adam because the number of buffs doesn't seem enough to ignore Nebula's autoblock?
And yeah, it is weird how random Ares AI is. And the AI doesn't 'change' even if you get KO'd, or quit and restart the game. If you have bad luck and get the "blocking all the time AI", you are in for a frustrating run.
Venom for nebula, one revive. Did parry heavy since he has an armor break. I got a solo with Knull, but had to restart on the next fight, so did it with venom on the actual run as Knull was kind of iffy. Venom for Warlock as he's duped so he'd have three buffs at the start. Four revives. @altavista took three 7* so the 2 7* paths are still open for both of them.
Took Angela as she has good damage, and even though she regened, it didn't seem like Ares was hitting harder. Though he did call me a wimp for regening with a call-out. Took 20 revives I believe, with again not dexxing any specials.
However, the AI (which I never thought I'd say this as I've made fun of others for doing so) was terrible for the last 1% this time. I was all the way in my corner, which should make him more aggressive, and he'd walk to me, stop and block, eetc.I didn't have any trouble intercepting him last time, but this time was ridiculous. So I apologize to everyone that I every made fun of comparing about AI issues. (Or at least I don't think I've ever complained about it if anyone wants to double check my many posts).
Still the Nebula debuff path? If so, what was your strategy for Nebula and Adam because the number of buffs doesn't seem enough to ignore Nebula's autoblock?
And yeah, it is weird how random Ares AI is. And the AI doesn't 'change' even if you get KO'd, or quit and restart the game. If you have bad luck and get the "blocking all the time AI", you are in for a frustrating run.
Venom for nebula, one revive. Did parry heavy since he has an armor break. I got a solo with Knull, but had to restart on the next fight, so did it with venom on the actual run as Knull was kind of iffy. Venom for Warlock as he's duped so he'd have three buffs at the start. Four revives. @altavista took three 7* so the 2 7* paths are still open for both of them.
Took Angela as she has good damage, and even though she regened, it didn't seem like Ares was hitting harder. Though he did call me a wimp for regening with a call-out. Took 20 revives I believe, with again not dexxing any specials.
However, the AI (which I never thought I'd say this as I've made fun of others for doing so) was terrible for the last 1% this time. I was all the way in my corner, which should make him more aggressive, and he'd walk to me, stop and block, eetc.I didn't have any trouble intercepting him last time, but this time was ridiculous. So I apologize to everyone that I every made fun of comparing about AI issues. (Or at least I don't think I've ever complained about it if anyone wants to double check my many posts).
Still the Nebula debuff path? If so, what was your strategy for Nebula and Adam because the number of buffs doesn't seem enough to ignore Nebula's autoblock?
And yeah, it is weird how random Ares AI is. And the AI doesn't 'change' even if you get KO'd, or quit and restart the game. If you have bad luck and get the "blocking all the time AI", you are in for a frustrating run.
Venom for nebula, one revive. Did parry heavy since he has an armor break. I got a solo with Knull, but had to restart on the next fight, so did it with venom on the actual run as Knull was kind of iffy. Venom for Warlock as he's duped so he'd have three buffs at the start. Four revives. @altavista took three 7* so the 2 7* paths are still open for both of them.
Took Angela as she has good damage, and even though she regened, it didn't seem like Ares was hitting harder. Though he did call me a wimp for regening with a call-out. Took 20 revives I believe, with again not dexxing any specials.
However, the AI (which I never thought I'd say this as I've made fun of others for doing so) was terrible for the last 1% this time. I was all the way in my corner, which should make him more aggressive, and he'd walk to me, stop and block, eetc.I didn't have any trouble intercepting him last time, but this time was ridiculous. So I apologize to everyone that I every made fun of comparing about AI issues. (Or at least I don't think I've ever complained about it if anyone wants to double check my many posts).
Still the Nebula debuff path? If so, what was your strategy for Nebula and Adam because the number of buffs doesn't seem enough to ignore Nebula's autoblock?
And yeah, it is weird how random Ares AI is. And the AI doesn't 'change' even if you get KO'd, or quit and restart the game. If you have bad luck and get the "blocking all the time AI", you are in for a frustrating run.
Venom for nebula, one revive. Did parry heavy since he has an armor break. I got a solo with Knull, but had to restart on the next fight, so did it with venom on the actual run as Knull was kind of iffy. Venom for Warlock as he's duped so he'd have three buffs at the start. Four revives. @altavista took three 7* so the 2 7* paths are still open for both of them.
Photon and synergy with venom for a few extra seconds. And Aegon since since he shuts down his debuff immune node.
Thanks @willrun4adonut . Sorry to pepper you with questions, but for the science/tech run I see conflicting posts on whether HTD works for Adam? I don’t have a ranked and awakened Ironheart so looking for alternatives. Thinking I’d rather use an R2 awakened Howard over an R1 unawakened Ironheart.
Took Angela as she has good damage, and even though she regened, it didn't seem like Ares was hitting harder. Though he did call me a wimp for regening with a call-out. Took 20 revives I believe, with again not dexxing any specials.
However, the AI (which I never thought I'd say this as I've made fun of others for doing so) was terrible for the last 1% this time. I was all the way in my corner, which should make him more aggressive, and he'd walk to me, stop and block, eetc.I didn't have any trouble intercepting him last time, but this time was ridiculous. So I apologize to everyone that I every made fun of comparing about AI issues. (Or at least I don't think I've ever complained about it if anyone wants to double check my many posts).
Still the Nebula debuff path? If so, what was your strategy for Nebula and Adam because the number of buffs doesn't seem enough to ignore Nebula's autoblock?
And yeah, it is weird how random Ares AI is. And the AI doesn't 'change' even if you get KO'd, or quit and restart the game. If you have bad luck and get the "blocking all the time AI", you are in for a frustrating run.
Venom for nebula, one revive. Did parry heavy since he has an armor break. I got a solo with Knull, but had to restart on the next fight, so did it with venom on the actual run as Knull was kind of iffy. Venom for Warlock as he's duped so he'd have three buffs at the start. Four revives. @altavista took three 7* so the 2 7* paths are still open for both of them.
Photon and synergy with venom for a few extra seconds. And Aegon since since he shuts down his debuff immune node.
Thanks @willrun4adonut . Sorry to pepper you with questions, but for the science/tech run I see conflicting posts on whether HTD works for Adam? I don’t have a ranked and awakened Ironheart so looking for alternatives. Thinking I’d rather use an R2 awakened Howard over an R1 unawakened Ironheart.
My plan for Howard was heavy parry since he applied 5 debuffs. I thought each time I could get 4% off, but the time is too short. I wasn't good playing with Adams power drain and gain mechanic, but if you are, Howard should be good as you can also use his sp1. I also didn't boost for any of the fights because, well, I simply forgot. My Howard was also r1, so a r2 would be more beefy. @Oakenshield I've heard that ironheart makes the fight super easy though.
Took Angela as she has good damage, and even though she regened, it didn't seem like Ares was hitting harder. Though he did call me a wimp for regening with a call-out. Took 20 revives I believe, with again not dexxing any specials.
However, the AI (which I never thought I'd say this as I've made fun of others for doing so) was terrible for the last 1% this time. I was all the way in my corner, which should make him more aggressive, and he'd walk to me, stop and block, eetc.I didn't have any trouble intercepting him last time, but this time was ridiculous. So I apologize to everyone that I every made fun of comparing about AI issues. (Or at least I don't think I've ever complained about it if anyone wants to double check my many posts).
Still the Nebula debuff path? If so, what was your strategy for Nebula and Adam because the number of buffs doesn't seem enough to ignore Nebula's autoblock?
And yeah, it is weird how random Ares AI is. And the AI doesn't 'change' even if you get KO'd, or quit and restart the game. If you have bad luck and get the "blocking all the time AI", you are in for a frustrating run.
Venom for nebula, one revive. Did parry heavy since he has an armor break. I got a solo with Knull, but had to restart on the next fight, so did it with venom on the actual run as Knull was kind of iffy. Venom for Warlock as he's duped so he'd have three buffs at the start. Four revives. @altavista took three 7* so the 2 7* paths are still open for both of them.
Photon and synergy with venom for a few extra seconds. And Aegon since since he shuts down his debuff immune node.
Thanks @willrun4adonut . Sorry to pepper you with questions, but for the science/tech run I see conflicting posts on whether HTD works for Adam? I don’t have a ranked and awakened Ironheart so looking for alternatives. Thinking I’d rather use an R2 awakened Howard over an R1 unawakened Ironheart.
All you need is easy access to debuffs and ironheart has everything for the fight. Each combo will take 4% health and sp1 will take 4% health. She is also great for others (Northstar photon and aegon).
What’s the best path to take even for a science team?
Nebula path. Just make sure you bring someone for Adam. I didn't plan for that, and the first time I had to restart my run. This is also a great infographic from Cat.
What’s the best path to take even for a science team?
Nebula path. Just make sure you bring someone for Adam. I didn't plan for that, and the first time I had to restart my run. This is also a great infographic from Cat.
Starting to think that path might be easy enough if you just want to dump revives that aren’t being used anyway - brute force ares and forget it. (Be nice if the fix the final phase first for us scrubs though )
First of all, thank you for the tip @willrun4adonut, I did my initial completion using it. Went in with Hulk, Silk and Jack. Picked the Hulkling path.
48 revives on Ares, some will say not too bad and I should go back at it and explore. Answer: Hell No.
Like you I'm growing tired of the game within the game within the game. Bosses having mini-games (stages) fine, but GM and Now Ares with their mini-games during the fight, didn't like it with GM, hate it even more with Ares... this is getting out of control. To be clear, it will get worse. Ares having no persistant visual reminder just make it stupid, like you I just ignored everything and smash it with Hulk. How it could worse, they will throw in reverse control later (and again prevent us from using reverse control immune champs).
Every time I see comment in streams or here about "pausing" the game... euhhh why in the hell Kabam didn't do that in the animation, flash the weapon, pause (so we can actually see the dam thing) and then show me the prompt to do (if they can do it with Spider punk special, they can do it here) and then remove the prompt for the final phase (keep the pause). No, take it the face.
I like watching normal people doing it (meaning not MSD). Maex was able to complete the SP prompts twice!!! 2 times!! This is not what I call fun, it is brutal and stupid. Maex is no slouch, he is a good player.
Some will say, this content is needed to keep the top player engage, nah, I don't buy it. Except MSD and a few others that get giggly for this type of content, very few of us actually enjoy it, it's a chore.
One of my buddy, like me, has been playing this game for 10 years, after his 4th run... he had it...and just quit the game. And he is not the only one.
Me? I'm on the fence...
Kabam prefer to throw this kind of content at us while we all told them Crucible was THE best event in years!!! Minimal effort on their side.
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MSD is not the best comparison metric. So, while what he does is amazing, it doesn't speak for 99.9% of mcoc players
So everest content has to be revive fest
When I have the same champ as the one he uses, I can watch and analyze his playing and replicate 70% or more of his results.
So yes he's great, but mainly because he figures out by himself how to win these matches and oftentimes during the match itself.
That's really the hardest part of the game.
The analysis and the strategy and the roster.
I basically need all 3, and people like MSD unfortunately can only provide me with the first two.
Think before you spew nonsense.
What part of that is "spewing nonsense" exactly?
Get your emotions under control, seriously.
Angela, venom, knull
Took Angela as she has good damage, and even though she regened, it didn't seem like Ares was hitting harder. Though he did call me a wimp for regening with a call-out. Took 20 revives I believe, with again not dexxing any specials.
However, the AI (which I never thought I'd say this as I've made fun of others for doing so) was terrible for the last 1% this time. I was all the way in my corner, which should make him more aggressive, and he'd walk to me, stop and block, eetc.I didn't have any trouble intercepting him last time, but this time was ridiculous. So I apologize to everyone that I every made fun of comparing about AI issues. (Or at least I don't think I've ever complained about it if anyone wants to double check my many posts).
You don't have to do the whole thing; but giving people pointers on strategies/pain points is still useful.
Why not give this guy some advice?
https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/comment/2749536#Comment_2749536
So, clearly Ares is hard, but can be pushed through. Numbers-wise, it sounds like you're using similar numbers of revives with Ares as you did with Necropolis Grandmaster.
Like you I'm a bit of a slogger; I've done three Necropolis paths, and I'm eyeing up a Deathless run, next.
What are your thoughts on going for Epoch, rather than pushing through with Necropolis exploration?
And yeah, it is weird how random Ares AI is. And the AI doesn't 'change' even if you get KO'd, or quit and restart the game. If you have bad luck and get the "blocking all the time AI", you are in for a frustrating run.
Whoaaa
What am I close to this?🤣
Yt video 👆
Marvel King Saitama used Dazzler against Ares
And ended with 533k hit 😯
48 revives on Ares, some will say not too bad and I should go back at it and explore. Answer: Hell No.
Like you I'm growing tired of the game within the game within the game. Bosses having mini-games (stages) fine, but GM and Now Ares with their mini-games during the fight, didn't like it with GM, hate it even more with Ares... this is getting out of control. To be clear, it will get worse. Ares having no persistant visual reminder just make it stupid, like you I just ignored everything and smash it with Hulk. How it could worse, they will throw in reverse control later (and again prevent us from using reverse control immune champs).
Every time I see comment in streams or here about "pausing" the game... euhhh why in the hell Kabam didn't do that in the animation, flash the weapon, pause (so we can actually see the dam thing) and then show me the prompt to do (if they can do it with Spider punk special, they can do it here) and then remove the prompt for the final phase (keep the pause). No, take it the face.
I like watching normal people doing it (meaning not MSD). Maex was able to complete the SP prompts twice!!! 2 times!! This is not what I call fun, it is brutal and stupid. Maex is no slouch, he is a good player.
Some will say, this content is needed to keep the top player engage, nah, I don't buy it. Except MSD and a few others that get giggly for this type of content, very few of us actually enjoy it, it's a chore.
One of my buddy, like me, has been playing this game for 10 years, after his 4th run... he had it...and just quit the game. And he is not the only one.
Me? I'm on the fence...
Kabam prefer to throw this kind of content at us while we all told them Crucible was THE best event in years!!! Minimal effort on their side.