How much monetization is too much?

BigBlueOx

Listen, I get it. The game has to make money to survive. But I worry we are reaching (or have passed) a tipping point of sustainability.

After 3 mega sales/unit draining events I couldn’t be less excited for the reunion event and Statcasts as it just seems like trying the drain whale milk from dried whale bones at this point.

Nothing about this current approach encourages casual spending, it’s all in or you don’t matter… which is fatiguing for the whole community. FTP feels the ever growing gap, casual spenders say “what’s the point” more than ever, and dolphin spenders are saying “no mas”. I gotta imagine even the largest spenders must feel some level of… wtf… another cash focused event incoming.

But maybe this is all just my personal take… and I’m on an island here. That’s ok… but if not I gotta ask… is this current direction a step too far?

Furrymoosen

It became too much when they straight up sold a champ for the first time in the webstore. It's only increasingly excessive and tone-deaf at this point.

Buttehrs

Furrymoosen said:

It became too much when they straight up sold a champ for the first time in the webstore. It's only increasingly excessive and tone-deaf at this point.

They were selling 5 and 6* straight up in game long before that though. Granted not for 500 bucks though.

TotemCorruption

I assume their data indicates it's more profitable to squeeze the small pool of the biggest spenders for their entire life savings rather than try to go after the larger pool of casual spenders with less expensive deals.

ItsClobberinTime

It is a step too far, I was willing to blow out $400 during Spring Cleaning and HoF because of the rewards and offers but $400 this time around didn't get you anything other than a bunch of Titan crystals and an awakened Stark Spidey. I mean come on, $400 was already a lot and now they move it up to $600 because of Torch? What's next $800 for Hulkling?
Absolutely ridiculous, I'm not saying we should get a ton of stuff for spending only $50 but the fact that even $400-$500 doesn't get you that far is crazy this is a mobile game, they're getting very greedy and it is extremely annoying.
I'm speaking from a low to mid end spender perspective of course because I am no longer f2p, but I'm sure it must be even more frustrating for f2p players since you get basically nothing out of these events now.

BringPopcorn

Well I am officially done spending a single cent, call me crazy but I like to spend on things that I enjoy. So I am going to play this thing F2P until I get bored and find something else I can spend on.
People might think its funny; but the relic BS was the last straw for me along with what was mentioned on another thread about the constant defenser/counter sales.

Furrymoosen

Buttehrs said:

Furrymoosen said:

It became too much when they straight up sold a champ for the first time in the webstore. It's only increasingly excessive and tone-deaf at this point.

They were selling 5 and 6* straight up in game long before that though. Granted not for 500 bucks though.

A few differences with that though, namely the peasants could get that champ in crystals just a couple months later, not wait over a year and then still wait some more.

Buttehrs

Furrymoosen said:

Buttehrs said:

Furrymoosen said:

It became too much when they straight up sold a champ for the first time in the webstore. It's only increasingly excessive and tone-deaf at this point.

They were selling 5 and 6* straight up in game long before that though. Granted not for 500 bucks though.

A few differences with that though, namely the peasants could get that champ in crystals just a couple months later, not wait over a year and then still wait some more.

In a perfect world maybe. Others like me with crappy luck? Let me put it this way, i only just recently pulled a 6* Galan for the first time.

filledwithlove

Buttehrs said:

Furrymoosen said:

Buttehrs said:

Furrymoosen said:

It became too much when they straight up sold a champ for the first time in the webstore. It's only increasingly excessive and tone-deaf at this point.

They were selling 5 and 6* straight up in game long before that though. Granted not for 500 bucks though.

A few differences with that though, namely the peasants could get that champ in crystals just a couple months later, not wait over a year and then still wait some more.

In a perfect world maybe. Others like me with crappy luck? Let me put it this way, i only just recently pulled a 6* Galan for the first time.

Not everyone shares your experience, doesn't mean they live in a perfect world. Waiting for champions released in special crystals or events to join the basic crystal for over a year is just nonsense. I feel like you're arguing just for the sake of it, its not hard to admit you're wrong or mistaken. It's the internet and we're all human, you can drop your guard.

Phantøm_Echø

Buttehrs said:

Furrymoosen said:

Buttehrs said:

Furrymoosen said:

It became too much when they straight up sold a champ for the first time in the webstore. It's only increasingly excessive and tone-deaf at this point.

They were selling 5 and 6* straight up in game long before that though. Granted not for 500 bucks though.

A few differences with that though, namely the peasants could get that champ in crystals just a couple months later, not wait over a year and then still wait some more.

In a perfect world maybe. Others like me with crappy luck? Let me put it this way, i only just recently pulled a 6* Galan for the first time.

At least you had the opportunity to spin the odds. Now I just have to wait a year+ hoping there is a tangible way to unlock Dark Phoenix/Torch + the rest of HoF?

Buttehrs

Phantøm_Echø said:

Buttehrs said:

Furrymoosen said:

Buttehrs said:

Furrymoosen said:

It became too much when they straight up sold a champ for the first time in the webstore. It's only increasingly excessive and tone-deaf at this point.

They were selling 5 and 6* straight up in game long before that though. Granted not for 500 bucks though.

A few differences with that though, namely the peasants could get that champ in crystals just a couple months later, not wait over a year and then still wait some more.

In a perfect world maybe. Others like me with crappy luck? Let me put it this way, i only just recently pulled a 6* Galan for the first time.

At least you had the opportunity to spin the odds. Now I just have to wait a year+ hoping there is a tangible way to unlock Dark Phoenix/Torch + the rest of HoF?

Well, dark phoenix is a trophy champ so good luck with that one.

Buttehrs

filledwithlove said:

Buttehrs said:

Furrymoosen said:

Buttehrs said:

Furrymoosen said:

It became too much when they straight up sold a champ for the first time in the webstore. It's only increasingly excessive and tone-deaf at this point.

They were selling 5 and 6* straight up in game long before that though. Granted not for 500 bucks though.

A few differences with that though, namely the peasants could get that champ in crystals just a couple months later, not wait over a year and then still wait some more.

In a perfect world maybe. Others like me with crappy luck? Let me put it this way, i only just recently pulled a 6* Galan for the first time.

Not everyone shares your experience, doesn't mean they live in a perfect world. Waiting for champions released in special crystals or events to join the basic crystal for over a year is just nonsense. I feel like you're arguing just for the sake of it, its not hard to admit you're wrong or mistaken. It's the internet and we're all human, you can drop your guard.

Im not saying waiting a long time doesn't suck. It does. But I'm also not wrong.

DONZALOOG1234

money

Polygon

Buttehrs said:

Furrymoosen said:

It became too much when they straight up sold a champ for the first time in the webstore. It's only increasingly excessive and tone-deaf at this point.

They were selling 5 and 6* straight up in game long before that though. Granted not for 500 bucks though.

Totally different thing.

These are champs that will be rare for a long time like weapon x, torch, red guardian etc. They are being apart of the holiday sales now too, instead of just being like the early release Count Nefaria they did for 7*. All in all it's to make people spend more units and buy if they don't have enough

Joker1976

The part i enjoy the most about mcoc is looking at those J4 / banquet offers etc,..,and not spending a dime on them.
…then i win,…because that’s the real game to me.

JESUSCHRIST

MCOC is a free to play mobile game but don't mistake that for getting everything in game for free

Kabam has to sell something to players to sustain the game financially

But at what price?

There is a concept called "Price Discovery" whereby the seller set a price and see if buyers are willing to buy said items at that set price (39k for 7* human torch)

If buyers don't buy units or whatever den Kabam have to think about lowering the prices the next time round

It's willing buyer willing seller, players vote with their wallets

It's mainly the whales sustaining the prices by buying everything, this gives Kabam the confidence to set high prices knowing the whales will bite the line, hook and sinker

BigBlueOx

BringPopcorn said:

Well I am officially done spending a single cent, call me crazy but I like to spend on things that I enjoy. So I am going to play this thing F2P until I get bored and find something else I can spend on.
People might think its funny; but the relic BS was the last straw for me along with what was mentioned on another thread about the constant defenser/counter sales.

The relic thing… introducing relics that are likely to have higher prestige at R1… I mean that feel like micro targeting of top AQ spenders to the nth degree… and an easy way to bypass hoarders… I completely understand how you feel.

Add in the relic deals during heat wave… just relentless

BringPopcorn

BigBlueOx said:

BringPopcorn said:

Well I am officially done spending a single cent, call me crazy but I like to spend on things that I enjoy. So I am going to play this thing F2P until I get bored and find something else I can spend on.
People might think its funny; but the relic BS was the last straw for me along with what was mentioned on another thread about the constant defenser/counter sales.

The relic thing… introducing relics that are likely to have higher prestige at R1… I mean that feel like micro targeting of top AQ spenders to the nth degree… and an easy way to bypass hoarders… I completely understand how you feel.

Add in the relic deals during heat wave… just relentless

That is like 75% of the problem, the other 25% is how they gave them as reward all this time while knowing they would discontinue it.
Now they are nothing but a useless source of ember.

BigBlueOx

BringPopcorn said:

BigBlueOx said:

BringPopcorn said:

Well I am officially done spending a single cent, call me crazy but I like to spend on things that I enjoy. So I am going to play this thing F2P until I get bored and find something else I can spend on.
People might think its funny; but the relic BS was the last straw for me along with what was mentioned on another thread about the constant defenser/counter sales.

The relic thing… introducing relics that are likely to have higher prestige at R1… I mean that feel like micro targeting of top AQ spenders to the nth degree… and an easy way to bypass hoarders… I completely understand how you feel.

Add in the relic deals during heat wave… just relentless

That is like 75% of the problem, the other 25% is how they gave them as reward all this time while knowing they would discontinue it.
Now they are nothing but a useless source of ember.

Shoot, they are actively selling these mothballs right now…

DannyB01

I whale out, got Dark Phoenix/RG/HT and would go again if another comes up. I like having the rare champs, especially if they’re good enough for BGs so I can show them off. Happy spending a lot of money on that, personally.

I don’t really know why it’s so easy for me to have R4s cos of this though. Rank up materials seem to widen the gap the fastest so perhaps we got too many this year. I can see why F2P players would be disillusioned by this.

ContestOfNoobs

The next one for sure is the next rebirth champions

How will we get them all unless you buy the deals.

Did they says how they will sell/release rebirth champions?


Its prob gona be crystals if you buy an Odin lol

ContestOfNoobs

DannyB01 said:

I whale out, got Dark Phoenix/RG/HT and would go again if another comes up. I like having the rare champs, especially if they’re good enough for BGs so I can show them off. Happy spending a lot of money on that, personally.

I don’t really know why it’s so easy for me to have R4s cos of this though. Rank up materials seem to widen the gap the fastest so perhaps we got too many this year. I can see why F2P players would be disillusioned by this.

And yet a lot of f2p or light spenders seem to have a problem with people who spent to have a bigger deck.

Theres no reason to have 10+ r4’s champions unless you play bg’s

Even at 200,300 range I face people who have that much and I beat them also.

Furrymoosen

ContestOfNoobs said:

The next one for sure is the next rebirth champions

How will we get them all unless you buy the deals.

Did they says how they will sell/release rebirth champions?


Its prob gona be crystals if you buy an Odin lol

They said it's a selector, but that's all so far.

EdisonLaw

Good thing I am not spending on this game

BringPopcorn

DannyB01 said:

I whale out, got Dark Phoenix/RG/HT and would go again if another comes up. I like having the rare champs, especially if they’re good enough for BGs so I can show them off. Happy spending a lot of money on that, personally.

I don’t really know why it’s so easy for me to have R4s cos of this though. Rank up materials seem to widen the gap the fastest so perhaps we got too many this year. I can see why F2P players would be disillusioned by this.

Part of the problem is that even if you enjoy whaling out they hit you with a counter for that rare champ right away. Forcing you to whale outa again.
I used to spend heavy and then decrease as I didn't like the direction of the game. Decreased even more when 200-300 a month or 500-800 on special events got you just midway. By midway I mean a bunch of shots at the RNG gods and hope for the best, and almost no sure thing

Furrymoosen

BringPopcorn said:

DannyB01 said:

I whale out, got Dark Phoenix/RG/HT and would go again if another comes up. I like having the rare champs, especially if they’re good enough for BGs so I can show them off. Happy spending a lot of money on that, personally.

I don’t really know why it’s so easy for me to have R4s cos of this though. Rank up materials seem to widen the gap the fastest so perhaps we got too many this year. I can see why F2P players would be disillusioned by this.

Part of the problem is that even if you enjoy whaling out they hit you with a counter for that rare champ right away. Forcing you to whale outa again.
I used to spend heavy and then decrease as I didn't like the direction of the game. Decreased even more when 200-300 a month or 500-800 on special events got you just midway. By midway I mean a bunch of shots at the RNG gods and hope for the best, and almost no sure thing

Another part of the problem is non-trophy champs shouldn't be considered "rare" champs. There should be a reasonable plan in place to allow non-spenders non-guaranteed access to a champ without having to celebrate multiple birthdays in between.

BringPopcorn

Furrymoosen said:

BringPopcorn said:

DannyB01 said:

I whale out, got Dark Phoenix/RG/HT and would go again if another comes up. I like having the rare champs, especially if they’re good enough for BGs so I can show them off. Happy spending a lot of money on that, personally.

I don’t really know why it’s so easy for me to have R4s cos of this though. Rank up materials seem to widen the gap the fastest so perhaps we got too many this year. I can see why F2P players would be disillusioned by this.

Part of the problem is that even if you enjoy whaling out they hit you with a counter for that rare champ right away. Forcing you to whale outa again.
I used to spend heavy and then decrease as I didn't like the direction of the game. Decreased even more when 200-300 a month or 500-800 on special events got you just midway. By midway I mean a bunch of shots at the RNG gods and hope for the best, and almost no sure thing

Another part of the problem is non-trophy champs shouldn't be considered "rare" champs. There should be a reasonable plan in place to allow non-spenders non-guaranteed access to a champ without having to celebrate multiple birthdays in between.

This whole thing is a problem, and they are just milking BGs which they had the nerve to call a "Niche Mode" to excuse the lack of rewards in the past.
Lets be honest, do I care for a 7* HT anywhere outside of BGs? Do I care if somewhere in the game even if its End Game content I have to use my 6r5 ascended fully boosted and a couple of revives? The answer is NO, but of course they have the solution. Gate it to 7* and sell it...

Herbal_Taxman

Is anybody actually excited about this group of rebirth champs? Side topic, I realize.

I would like to have Viv because of her kit, and I can get interested in anti-venom a little bit because he does some unique things. Have a little sentimental attachment to DV for carrying me in the olden times.

Barring major updates to their kits, I couldn’t care less about Sabretooth, Cull and skateboard guy.

All up, if I get zero of these champs I won’t blink an eye.

Buttehrs

Herbal_Taxman said:

Is anybody actually excited about this group of rebirth champs? Side topic, I realize.

I would like to have Viv because of her kit, and I can get interested in anti-venom a little bit because he does some unique things. Have a little sentimental attachment to DV for carrying me in the olden times.

Barring major updates to their kits, I couldn’t care less about Sabretooth, Cull and skateboard guy.

All up, if I get zero of these champs I won’t blink an eye.

Cull is an absolute monster. Or rather has that potential. His block proficiency is so poor though no one uses him. As long as they bump those numbers up a bit, he's gonna wreck house as a 7*.

SirGamesBond

ContestOfNoobs said:

The next one for sure is the next rebirth champions

How will we get them all unless you buy the deals.

Did they says how they will sell/release rebirth champions?


Its prob gona be crystals if you buy an Odin lol

Furrymoosen said:

ContestOfNoobs said:

The next one for sure is the next rebirth champions

How will we get them all unless you buy the deals.

Did they says how they will sell/release rebirth champions?


Its prob gona be crystals if you buy an Odin lol

They said it's a selector, but that's all so far.

And probably a crystal in crucible like last year.

Herbal_Taxman

Buttehrs said:

Herbal_Taxman said:

Is anybody actually excited about this group of rebirth champs? Side topic, I realize.

I would like to have Viv because of her kit, and I can get interested in anti-venom a little bit because he does some unique things. Have a little sentimental attachment to DV for carrying me in the olden times.

Barring major updates to their kits, I couldn’t care less about Sabretooth, Cull and skateboard guy.

All up, if I get zero of these champs I won’t blink an eye.

Cull is an absolute monster. Or rather has that potential. His block proficiency is so poor though no one uses him. As long as they bump those numbers up a bit, he's gonna wreck house as a 7*.

Interesting. BP is why I never used him when he came out originally.