C'Mon Miike... Can you address what I pointed out earlier about Venom missing from this list?
As we said when that image was first added, it was not at all indicative of the Champions that would be available. We had no idea who was going to end up in the Crystal at that time.
Thank you for the response. I would point out that 2/3 *are* in the list... Will feedback to the list have any impact? Can the roster change before this goes live?
24 champs means such a tiny chance to dupe any of them anytime soon.
I have 46 or so 5*s; around 14 not awakened. Only use maybe 8 of these for anything aside from arena. I keep selling 4*s to get 5* shards hoping to get duplicate 5*s but I keep pulling trash useless champs.
This is pushing me further and further away from this game. So many other things I am missing. So I guess I should be thankful.
Another way from Kabam to show us the middle finger.
I cannot see one single chanpion worth opening
Will have to wait and see what a featured champion poll will look like
@Kabam Miike I realise that my hostile tone may discourage you from responding to my comments so in an effort to get some feedback to my larger concerns can I have one question answered please.
Does kabam consider customer satisfaction a core value of its business model?
Absolutely. We're always working to make sure that Summoners are having a great time in The Contest. Sometimes, we'll announce things that not everybody is going to be over the moon excited about, but we also have to think about the balance of The Contest, and the future.
There’s much better ways to balance the contest and future of the game outside of adding 6*’s. Try 90% of the community not liking this. Does that matter? So next year, we should expect 7*’s to ensure the future of the game??? Kabam logic is terrible. You guys need to understand that people have been playing this game for 2+ years and have spent a ton of time and money to get their rosters where they want. Now in order to keep being competitive (AQ, AW, etc), we need to start all over again with 6*’s. Tough justifying why any of your top tier players shouldn’t quit.
If all the top tier players quit, Klingon promotion would make me a top player. So technically speaking 6* champions could theoretically benefit me a great deal.
Really not sure why quite a few people are complaining about the list of champs. This is much better than the original 5* list. There are some really useful champs to be had here
Much better than the original 5* that had SL and Magik ? Yeah sure
Magik was trash when the 5* crystal was released.
the pool consisted of: WS, BP, Rhino, Spiderman, Juggs, Magik, Captain Marvel, Ronan, Iron Man, Star Lord, Storm and Cyclops.
at that moment, most of the good champs needed to be duped. WS, Rhino and Magik were TRASH when the crystal was released.
The only champs useful in the 6* is Angela. KG might be good, but needs to be duped.
None of the others, deserve all the cats needed to be r2, none. That’s trash.
Dare tell me that you’ll spend 7 T2A and 3 T5B un any champs on the list
WW2 Cap and Angela seem to be the only ones i would dare to invest T5B in, but that's debatable. are you going to tell me YJ, WS, Red Hulk, Luke Cage, Yondu, Nebula are totally useless? tell me a champ from the first 5* pool (not named CM or SL, oh and they needed the dupes to be great) that would you have spent resources on.
i mean, 6* pool is not the best, but is far from be the worst imo.
With the addition of 6* champs I think it would be amazing if the login calendar was changed to guarantee a 4* with a rare chance at a 5*. Doubtful this change would happen but would be nice and would certainly help players with small rosters and empty pockets
24 champs means such a tiny chance to dupe any of them anytime soon.
The odds of duplicating at least one champion from a crystal that contains twenty four different champions is about 50/50 after six pulls.
Would it not be 50/50 after 12 pulls? And first get those 12. I am one duped 5* from having 20k 6* shards and sooooo not looking forward to opening them and feeling that massive disappointment.
I just think 24 champs at once in the initial introduction is way too many.
Really not sure why quite a few people are complaining about the list of champs. This is much better than the original 5* list. There are some really useful champs to be had here
Much better than the original 5* that had SL and Magik ? Yeah sure
Magik was trash when the 5* crystal was released.
the pool consisted of: WS, BP, Rhino, Spiderman, Juggs, Magik, Captain Marvel, Ronan, Iron Man, Star Lord, Storm and Cyclops.
at that moment, most of the good champs needed to be duped. WS, Rhino and Magik were TRASH when the crystal was released.
The only champs useful in the 6* is Angela. KG might be good, but needs to be duped.
None of the others, deserve all the cats needed to be r2, none. That’s trash.
Dare tell me that you’ll spend 7 T2A and 3 T5B un any champs on the list
WW2 Cap and Angela seem to be the only ones i would dare to invest T5B in, but that's debatable. are you going to tell me YJ, WS, Red Hulk, Luke Cage, Yondu, Nebula are totally useless? tell me a champ from the first 5* pool (not named CM or SL, oh and they needed the dupes to be great) that would you have spent resources on.
i mean, 6* pool is not the best, but is far from be the worst imo.
Yes they needed to be duped, but you only had 12 champs, so duping was easier.
I’m not saying those are the worst champs, sorry if he had leading you into this
This pool is bad, cause there is no reason to open your 6* shards for it now
Another way from Kabam to show us the middle finger.
If all of the choices were fantastic, people would be complaining that 5* champions were now useless. They aren't, so people are complaining that the 6* crystal is useless. No matter what Kabam does, they will be showing a middle finger to someone. It is just a question of which hand the players think they are using to do it.
Its hard to say if Red Hulk or Luke Cage will be valuable picks since they are currently being buffed in closed beta. But I think Yellowjacket is a good pull out of that list, as is Storm, Captain America WWII, and Daredevil classic. Some have to be awakened, but not all of them. YJ and Cap do not have to be awakened to be good, and adrenaline might synergize well with Cap's block as a pseudo-heal. Angela, Nebula, Thor JF and Beast are also playable even if you don't drop resources into ranking up: they would be strong 4/55-class champions. Not the best, but certainly not useless.
@Kabam Miike I realise that my hostile tone may discourage you from responding to my comments so in an effort to get some feedback to my larger concerns can I have one question answered please.
Does kabam consider customer satisfaction a core value of its business model?
Absolutely. We're always working to make sure that Summoners are having a great time in The Contest. Sometimes, we'll announce things that not everybody is going to be over the moon excited about, but we also have to think about the balance of The Contest, and the future.
Here is the problem with Kabam. More worried about balance then players being entertained/excited about the game. Keep taking excitement out and you’ll end up with a game without players.
I am happy to see no god tier champs in this pool. Most of the champs listed are decent enough. Just think 12 would be a much better number. We have far far too many 5*s in the pool, guess starting 6*s in the same light is the objective.
24 champs means such a tiny chance to dupe any of them anytime soon.
The odds of duplicating at least one champion from a crystal that contains twenty four different champions is about 50/50 after six pulls.
Would it not be 50/50 after 12 pulls? And first get those 12. I am one duped 5* from having 20k 6* shards and sooooo not looking forward to opening them and feeling that massive disappointment.
I just think 24 champs at once in the initial introduction is way too many.
Intuition tends to get this one wrong. Let's go step by step and calculate the odds of never pulling a duplicate. The first pull is automatic: it can't be a dup. Out of 24 champions you can pull any one of the 24. The odds of not pulling a dup are 24 out of 24, or 24/24, or 1 which is 100%. But to avoid duping on the second pull, there's now only 23 possible champions you can pull. You have a 23/24 chance to avoid duping, which is about 95.8%. On the third pull you can only pull 22 out of 24, and then 21 out of 24. Without doing a lot of math, I think you can see that if you somehow managed to avoid duping after 12 pulls, the thirteenth pull has a 50/50 chance of not duping: half the possible pulls dup, the other half don't. But if the odds of duping on that one single pull are 50/50, the odds of not duping after all thirteen pulls has to be much lower than that, because you had to do twelve earlier pulls that didn't dup and then on top of that beat 50/50 odds.
Mathematically speaking, the odds of not pulling after N pulls is 24/24 * 23/24 * 23/24 * 22/24 ... (24 - N + 1)/24. When N is six, that is 24/24 * 23/24 * 22/24 * 21/24 * 20/24 * 19/24 = 0.5071. So the odds of not pulling a dup after six pulls is 50.71% and therefore the odds of pulling at least one dup are 49.29%.
@Kabam Miike I realise that my hostile tone may discourage you from responding to my comments so in an effort to get some feedback to my larger concerns can I have one question answered please.
Does kabam consider customer satisfaction a core value of its business model?
Absolutely. We're always working to make sure that Summoners are having a great time in The Contest. Sometimes, we'll announce things that not everybody is going to be over the moon excited about, but we also have to think about the balance of The Contest, and the future.
Here is the problem with Kabam. More worried about balance then players being entertained/excited about the game. Keep taking excitement out and you’ll end up with a game without players.
I've been hearing this since I first joined the forums. I no longer consider it a noteworthy statement unless there's a date attached to it.
Everyone that has enough shards to get a 6 star character has worked really hard on difficult content to have the resources to get one. I feel like it would make sense to award these players with a definite chance to pull a decent champ. It wouldn’t take much other than removing champs that would be largely useless to pull without the ability to dupe in the foreseeable future
Juggernaut
Blackbolt
King groot
Kingpin
It would be a real shame to pull any of these champs and anyone that is able to get a 6* champion by Jan 31st should be rewarded without the risk of being punished.
Exactly what the above comment said @Kabam Miike We worked so hard for these 6 star shards yet we have to have this pool with champs we don't like. It is like a punishment we did act 5 for christs sake and we get this pool?
Everyone that has enough shards to get a 6 star character has worked really hard on difficult content to have the resources to get one. I feel like it would make sense to award these players with a definite chance to pull a decent champ. It wouldn’t take much other than removing champs that would be largely useless to pull without the ability to dupe in the foreseeable future
Juggernaut
Blackbolt
King groot
Kingpin
It would be a real shame to pull any of these champs and anyone that is able to get a 6* champion by Jan 31st should be rewarded without the risk of being punished.
And Rocket! I think only Kamala Khan is more hated...
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Thank you for the response. I would point out that 2/3 *are* in the list... Will feedback to the list have any impact? Can the roster change before this goes live?
It's a possibility, but we don't have any plans to do that right now. At this time, the only way to get a 6-Star will be from the 6-Star Hero Crystal.
I have 46 or so 5*s; around 14 not awakened. Only use maybe 8 of these for anything aside from arena. I keep selling 4*s to get 5* shards hoping to get duplicate 5*s but I keep pulling trash useless champs.
This is pushing me further and further away from this game. So many other things I am missing. So I guess I should be thankful.
I cannot see one single chanpion worth opening
Will have to wait and see what a featured champion poll will look like
Will 5* champs be cheaper and also T4bc and T4cc be more obtainable? I can hardly dupe a 5* let alone rank one....
If all the top tier players quit, Klingon promotion would make me a top player. So technically speaking 6* champions could theoretically benefit me a great deal.
WW2 Cap and Angela seem to be the only ones i would dare to invest T5B in, but that's debatable. are you going to tell me YJ, WS, Red Hulk, Luke Cage, Yondu, Nebula are totally useless? tell me a champ from the first 5* pool (not named CM or SL, oh and they needed the dupes to be great) that would you have spent resources on.
i mean, 6* pool is not the best, but is far from be the worst imo.
The odds of duplicating at least one champion from a crystal that contains twenty four different champions is about 50/50 after six pulls.
Would it not be 50/50 after 12 pulls? And first get those 12. I am one duped 5* from having 20k 6* shards and sooooo not looking forward to opening them and feeling that massive disappointment.
I just think 24 champs at once in the initial introduction is way too many.
Yes they needed to be duped, but you only had 12 champs, so duping was easier.
I’m not saying those are the worst champs, sorry if he had leading you into this
This pool is bad, cause there is no reason to open your 6* shards for it now
If all of the choices were fantastic, people would be complaining that 5* champions were now useless. They aren't, so people are complaining that the 6* crystal is useless. No matter what Kabam does, they will be showing a middle finger to someone. It is just a question of which hand the players think they are using to do it.
Its hard to say if Red Hulk or Luke Cage will be valuable picks since they are currently being buffed in closed beta. But I think Yellowjacket is a good pull out of that list, as is Storm, Captain America WWII, and Daredevil classic. Some have to be awakened, but not all of them. YJ and Cap do not have to be awakened to be good, and adrenaline might synergize well with Cap's block as a pseudo-heal. Angela, Nebula, Thor JF and Beast are also playable even if you don't drop resources into ranking up: they would be strong 4/55-class champions. Not the best, but certainly not useless.
With update 17.0 or at a later date?
Here is the problem with Kabam. More worried about balance then players being entertained/excited about the game. Keep taking excitement out and you’ll end up with a game without players.
Intuition tends to get this one wrong. Let's go step by step and calculate the odds of never pulling a duplicate. The first pull is automatic: it can't be a dup. Out of 24 champions you can pull any one of the 24. The odds of not pulling a dup are 24 out of 24, or 24/24, or 1 which is 100%. But to avoid duping on the second pull, there's now only 23 possible champions you can pull. You have a 23/24 chance to avoid duping, which is about 95.8%. On the third pull you can only pull 22 out of 24, and then 21 out of 24. Without doing a lot of math, I think you can see that if you somehow managed to avoid duping after 12 pulls, the thirteenth pull has a 50/50 chance of not duping: half the possible pulls dup, the other half don't. But if the odds of duping on that one single pull are 50/50, the odds of not duping after all thirteen pulls has to be much lower than that, because you had to do twelve earlier pulls that didn't dup and then on top of that beat 50/50 odds.
Mathematically speaking, the odds of not pulling after N pulls is 24/24 * 23/24 * 23/24 * 22/24 ... (24 - N + 1)/24. When N is six, that is 24/24 * 23/24 * 22/24 * 21/24 * 20/24 * 19/24 = 0.5071. So the odds of not pulling a dup after six pulls is 50.71% and therefore the odds of pulling at least one dup are 49.29%.
I've been hearing this since I first joined the forums. I no longer consider it a noteworthy statement unless there's a date attached to it.
When are you adding good champions?
Can you also release prestige for each 6* champs at 1/25 and 2/35?
They never have before. I wouldn't expect them to now.
Juggernaut
Blackbolt
King groot
Kingpin
It would be a real shame to pull any of these champs and anyone that is able to get a 6* champion by Jan 31st should be rewarded without the risk of being punished.
At least throw in a couple more decent ones.
And Rocket! I think only Kamala Khan is more hated...