What amazes me is the people saying this opens things up to exploits in the long term, this was a rare situation, them going to tier 4 is really not that big a deal as it’s the start of the season and it’s actually better for them to be where they belong rather than hurting all the high tier teams chances at progressing on their way up, again kabam came up with reasonably well thought out system which stops alliance hopping and a majority of war exploits, but someone always has to find one small thing to complain about. All I can think of is a pimply teenager, throwing a Tanty and whimpering ‘it’s just not fair’
What amazes me is the people saying this opens things up to exploits in the long term, this was a rare situation, them going to tier 4 is really not that big a deal as it’s the start of the season and it’s actually better for them to be where they belong rather than hurting all the high tier teams chances at progressing on their way up, again kabam came up with reasonably well thought out system which stops alliance hopping and a majority of war exploits, but someone always has to find one small thing to complain about. All I can think of is a pimply teenager, throwing a Tanty and whimpering ‘it’s just not fair’
I agree. What we have is an Ally that moved for a fresh start in the Season. My reputation precedes me, and I would usually be the first to speak up against something that is exploitative. I do not agree that this is, simply because we have a discussion about an Ally that moved once, before the beginning of the Season. War is based on cumulative progress. Regardless of the Rating at the time of moving, it takes an adequate amount of work and cumulative Wins to maintain it. The Season lasts for some time, and that will require them to stay and work for said Rewards for the duration of the Season. I find the discussion to be exaggerated around one move, and compounded by other existing issues. If it was a situation where there was repeated abuse of the system, I would be at the front of the line to say something. That's not what we have here, and it's not applicable to the situation.
I dont understand, can someone explain this in dumbar$e so I know whats happening.
I'm going to vastly oversimplify just to avoid the internal politics of the whole thing. Basically, a bunch of people left a relatively high rated alliance recently and decided to form their own alliance. Ignoring recruiting and such, let's call the original alliance Alpha. They left and formed Beta. Beta is a brand new alliance so of course it starts off in the lowest tiers of AQ and AW, and they were fine with that. But then Kabam announces the new AW system, and the rewards are both very good and highly dependent on which AW tier you were in. Beta's current tier is very low and it would take some time to build up to a high tier. In the meantime, you might be losing out on a lot of AW season rewards.
It occurs to someone in Beta that they have a second account that is parked in an old alliance that still exists, and its old tier is higher than Beta's tier. This old alliance, I will call Gamma, is otherwise empty. The members of Beta take a vote and decide to leave Beta and join Gamma, so in effect everyone in Beta is now in Gamma. Since Gamma has a higher AW tier and rating, they will start the new AW season in a better position.
Some people think this is an exploit, because in one sense Beta magically transformed themselves into Gamma, and instantly boosted its war rating. However, the problem with considering this to be an exploit is the fact that when the members of Beta originally left Alpha, they could have immediately joined Gamma. That was always a possibility. They *chose* to start a new alliance that actually would have a lower reward tier than Gamma, for their own reasons. Had they jumped straight from Alpha to Gamma, no one could reasonably claim that was an exploit. They jumped from one alliance to the other. But since jumping from Alpha to Gamma is not an exploit, I cannot see how jumping from Alpha to Beta to Gamma is an exploit, because taking this path generates no more rewards for the players involved. If rewards were all they cared about, they could have safely and profitably jumped to Gamma. They jumped to Beta because they wanted to start fresh. But the price of starting fresh became much higher with AW seasons. So they decided to jump to Gamma.
In effect, calling this an exploit is tantamount to saying that Gamma can today recruit from Alpha, but it cannot recruit from Beta. It is saying the even more ludicrous thing that if someone in Beta decided to return to Alpha the day before the seasons announcement and someone else in Beta decided to return to Alpha the day after the seasons announcement, if Gamma recruits the first guy from Alpha that's fine, but recruiting the second guy from Alpha would be an exploit.
That's illogical in the extreme.
You perfectly laid out what i was going to write. Thank you.
Once again this isn’t about one alliance. I don’t really care what an alliance could have done.or should have done If Alliance Alpha Beta or Gamma move to an inactive alliance, why are they allowed to compete in AW with war points they did not earn? The rules posted for the new AW season specify War Rating Points Earned. An inactive Alliance should lose its War Points after x weeks of inactivity. Just as they lose their AQ rank if they don’t participate in AQ for a week.
I have no idea how many other alliances have managed to find inactive Alliances in a higher war tier, but “Beta” alliance can’t be the only players who’ve done this.
Just to be clear. “A member of “Beta” Alliance posted a you tube video to announce that his alliance had found an inactive Alliance with a 1900 war Rating and by moving to that alliance they would jump from Tier 17 to Tier 4. My alliance is in Tier 4 except we had to fight an entire season to go From 0 to T4. It wasn’t fun but we earned our war ranking. It’s not cool that a previously inactive alliance can reactivate with new players and assume the war rating and tier placement of the abandoned alliance.
You didn’t do anything about alliance jumping in AQ and That exploit robbed a bunch of allliances an entire season of AQ rewards. If Kabam is going to allow Alliances to jump tiers by moving to inactive alliances then I want to know now so We can start looking.
I dont understand, can someone explain this in dumbar$e so I know whats happening.
I'm going to vastly oversimplify just to avoid the internal politics of the whole thing. Basically, a bunch of people left a relatively high rated alliance recently and decided to form their own alliance. Ignoring recruiting and such, let's call the original alliance Alpha. They left and formed Beta. Beta is a brand new alliance so of course it starts off in the lowest tiers of AQ and AW, and they were fine with that. But then Kabam announces the new AW system, and the rewards are both very good and highly dependent on which AW tier you were in. Beta's current tier is very low and it would take some time to build up to a high tier. In the meantime, you might be losing out on a lot of AW season rewards.
It occurs to someone in Beta that they have a second account that is parked in an old alliance that still exists, and its old tier is higher than Beta's tier. This old alliance, I will call Gamma, is otherwise empty. The members of Beta take a vote and decide to leave Beta and join Gamma, so in effect everyone in Beta is now in Gamma. Since Gamma has a higher AW tier and rating, they will start the new AW season in a better position.
Some people think this is an exploit, because in one sense Beta magically transformed themselves into Gamma, and instantly boosted its war rating. However, the problem with considering this to be an exploit is the fact that when the members of Beta originally left Alpha, they could have immediately joined Gamma. That was always a possibility. They *chose* to start a new alliance that actually would have a lower reward tier than Gamma, for their own reasons. Had they jumped straight from Alpha to Gamma, no one could reasonably claim that was an exploit. They jumped from one alliance to the other. But since jumping from Alpha to Gamma is not an exploit, I cannot see how jumping from Alpha to Beta to Gamma is an exploit, because taking this path generates no more rewards for the players involved. If rewards were all they cared about, they could have safely and profitably jumped to Gamma. They jumped to Beta because they wanted to start fresh. But the price of starting fresh became much higher with AW seasons. So they decided to jump to Gamma.
In effect, calling this an exploit is tantamount to saying that Gamma can today recruit from Alpha, but it cannot recruit from Beta. It is saying the even more ludicrous thing that if someone in Beta decided to return to Alpha the day before the seasons announcement and someone else in Beta decided to return to Alpha the day after the seasons announcement, if Gamma recruits the first guy from Alpha that's fine, but recruiting the second guy from Alpha would be an exploit.
That's illogical in the extreme.
You perfectly laid out what i was going to write. Thank you.
Once again this isn’t about one alliance. I don’t really care what an alliance could have done.or should have done If Alliance Alpha Beta or Gamma move to an inactive alliance, why are they allowed to compete in AW with war points they did not earn? The rules posted for the new AW season specify War Rating Points Earned. An inactive Alliance should lose its War Points after x weeks of inactivity. Just as they lose their AQ rank if they don’t participate in AQ for a week.
I have no idea how many other alliances have managed to find inactive Alliances in a higher war tier, but “Beta” alliance can’t be the only players who’ve done this.
Just to be clear. “A member of “Beta” Alliance posted a you tube video to announce that his alliance had found an inactive Alliance with a 1900 war Rating and by moving to that alliance they would jump from Tier 17 to Tier 4. My alliance is in Tier 4 except we had to fight an entire season to go From 0 to T4. It wasn’t fun but we earned our war ranking. It’s not cool that a previously inactive alliance can reactivate with new players and assume the war rating and tier placement of the abandoned alliance.
You didn’t do anything about alliance jumping in AQ and That exploit robbed a bunch of allliances an entire season of AQ rewards. If Kabam is going to allow Alliances to jump tiers by moving to inactive alliances then I want to know now so We can start looking.
You should start looking then.
Unless this is something they could rinse and repeat, I don’t view it as an exploit myself.
Alliance Hoppers need to be monitored. Now this is an entire alliance jumping from thier low tiered alliance to one thats higher... this is unfair play.
And for those of you who just say 'ohhh its fine...'
Its not fine. Its cheating, you can call it what you want but thats it. Cheating.
I look forward to seeing ØMNI fail and get defeated in the first season. @Kabam Miike got any input for players?
How is this cheating? Really, I don’t understand.
Yes, maybe it would be smart to have war ratings deteriorate over time, not so that this is less likely to happen, but because not participating should drop you to the bottom.
All they did is went to a different alliance with a higher war rating. And he clearly explained that the new matchmaking system was a big part of that (it isn’t fair to be matched with prestige, this really doesn’t allow you to climb to your proper place on the lader).
The alliance they jumped to, that rating didn’t fall out of the sky. A group of people worked for that, abbonded it and others (who btw used to play in tier 1) happily use that. It’s not like the AQ jumping thing where people would score t4c’s each week and take them away from people that deserved them. It’s not something they can do throughout the season, it’s not something they can (easily) repeat.
I do however think there is something wrong with how aw seasons works and theybig difference in multiplier, but that’s a whole different stroy.
All this outrage is ridiculous. Someone in Omni was in an alliance that earned that war rating. The people in this alliance are all highly skilled and high prestige. This isn't about people circumventing anything. It is amazing the way people over react to things. This is nothing more than a group who have put in the work to reach elite status banding together to reach even higher levels.
So in your tax returns do you pay the full amount of tax you're liable for or do you use the loopholes/clauses/legal methods available to you to reduce it? If you use a LEGAL method to reduce your taxes then you are not breaking any laws, not liable for penalities/punishments.
Likewise they have utilised a method that is available to them to maximise their rewards. I see no problem with this as it is done within the rules kabam has in place. If in light of this Kabam now chooses to change their rules, that is up to them. But as of now they have not broken any rules and the issue does not lie with the alliance for moving to a higher war tier alliance. The issue you have is with Kabam for allowing it to happen. If they moved from the original alliance they were in to the tier 4 one right from the start would you call it cheating still? They are all highly skilled to get to the AQ ranking they did so stop whining about it. If they aren't good enough to win at tier 4 then they'll get knocked down. If not then they get the rewards. Either way they have to win to get the reward right?
But then who made you judge and jury of what's right in Kabam's game? Isn't that up to the owner? This is a moralistic issue for you. Rules have not been broken. What you say is morally wrong may not seem morally wrong to another as it is within the rules. So you can't enforce that because morals have a wide expanse of grey area whereas rules are black and white. Either they broke the rules or they didn't and in this case they didn't.
It is whining. They need to have an expansive roster to compete successfully to gain these season rewards. They have to WIN. It's not like they'll rankly highly if they lose. And they've been playing long enough to have an extensive roster capable of taking them through. So what's the issue? The previous months if not years of gameplay to build up their team mean nothing? They're not using mods, highly likely to be spending their own money. Maybe the option shouldn't exist but them doing this doesn't affect my ability to continue to gain rewards in war.
If you want to raise a 'legitimate' concern then why not raise it regarding the alliances that periodically switch between themselves in order for a low ranking one to gain minimal 5* shards they would not otherwise get and a high prestige one to continue winning in war. That I would consider an exploit. Not this
If you find the use of the word 'whining' a provocative and alarming adjective, get off the internet. There's plenty of worse things out there people can call you. As for taking shortcuts, I think everyone will take the shortcut available to them if it comes down to it. The issue boils down to is it against the rules or not. It is not. File a ticket with Kabam and if they agree with you then so be it and they can fix it. Otherwise you're not proactively doing something about your issue with this. You're simply complaining to no one that can do anything about it.
Mods rarely comment on these posts and have actually stated in the past that filing a ticket should be the initial step for issues and concerns. So not quite the appropriate forum seeing as this is a 'general discussion' one.
Whine. Complain in a feeble or petulant way.
"she began to whine about how hard she had been forced to work"
This is exactly what you're doing. You can keep telling him to not use words like that, but maybe stop whining first and stop repeating the same thing over and over again.
Joining another alliance isn't against the rules. Merging with alliances isn't against the rules. Starting a new alliance isn't against the rules. Moving to a different alliance isn't against the rules, not when done by 1 person but also not when done by 30.
I actually have a "dead" alliance that I keep around due to the massive amounts in the treasury. Some day it might come in handy. I worked for it, with a lot of other people, and at some time I'll profit from it, probably with the a different group of people.
Has anyone considered that the 30 players who have formed this alliance did so because they got tired of being pilots in the alliances they were in and wanted to be somewhere that they were never pressured into doing that any more ?
They have the skills to be one of the best, and do it the right way with everyone only focusing on their own account, no piloting for the weaker fighters that they may have had to do to or losing wars because others were getting ko'd and not finishing their lanes ?
All these debates about them starting from zero or starting from a collapsed alliance don't hold any weight without the complainers knowing all the facts leading up to their decision to work together. I'm just speculating as I don't know all the details myself, and I don't care. My guess is some of the people here with the loudest complaints may have lost their best players to this group.
Joining another alliance isn't against the rules. Merging with alliances isn't against the rules. Starting a new alliance isn't against the rules. Moving to a different alliance isn't against the rules, not when done by 1 person but also not when done by 30.
I actually have a "dead" alliance that I keep around due to the massive amounts in the treasury. Some day it might come in handy. I worked for it, with a lot of other people, and at some time I'll profit from it, probably with the a different group of people.
I am not bothered by your prattling and use of passive-aggresive remarks to mock me, your attempt to ridicule me amounts to exactly less than nothing, so please stop trying so hard.
So ignore the 'passive-aggressive' and address the points made. Is she not entitled to use that alliance in the future? it's like saying because I saved money while working at one job I would not be allowed to use that money after starting another one. People are allowed to move alliances, whether it be one person or 30 people. There's no getting around that.
Its completely fair. The higher rated ally was created by some peeps and they got to a higher tier. Now, they disbanded and their leader felt okay to give the ally to Lagacy as the ally was in the dust. Lagacy is NOT stealing/robbing/hacking their ally. The leader is intentionally giving away the ally and I dont see a fault there. Are you trying to say that switching alliances is against the rules of the game?
People still talking about this non-exploit? Why don't you go start a real thread. Like about how all in the top 5 5.4 legends were merc'd. That's an actual issue.
Can not believe this thread is still going. Have those of u **** about them not supposed to be up there and its a exploit contemplated the idea that IF they arent supposed to be there theyll lose an drop down tiers? Also that they ALL came from high tier allys to begin with before being in omni?...plz just give it a rest. If they hadnt created omni theyd all be higher anyway. The only thing i could remotely agree with in any of the arguements is that your war rating should decay over time that way no allys that are dormant are taking spots in a higher tier where a grinding ally is tryin to climb to. Also just being in the higher tier doesnt mean they auto win season rewards they still have to compete and win in wars to EARN the season rewards. To my understanding thus far of the seasons ull recieve points (with a multiplier based on tier) towards ur season score. Ur ally war rating is NOT ur starting score its ur starting multiplier
The option being exercised is "moving to a different alliance." Unless Kabam makes it impossible to leave your alliance and join another one, they cannot eliminate this option.
But this is all largely moot for another reason. This isn't about "hopping" like before with jumping between two different alliances to manipulate AW rating to get better match ups. In the new AW seasons, there is absolutely no benefit to manipulating war rating to get better match ups in general, because in AW seasons alliances - not players, alliances - get points every time that alliance fights a war, and those points determine your end of season rewards.
Every time a group of players jumps out of one alliance and into another, the alliance they left gains ZERO points for any war they fight in a different alliance. If you are trying to get as much points as possible, you CANNOT jump into a different alliance to improve your situation. Prior to seasons, it was PLAYERS that individually got rewards for each war that was fought. So it didn't matter what alliance you were in. That's why alliances were sometimes referred to as "shells." They were just wrappers for the players, and the players could wear any shell they wanted to when they fought wars, and could pick the shell that gave them the best possible advantage.
Alliances are not shells anymore, because the game doesn't give season points to players. The game gives season points to alliances. It is the alliance, not the players, that must fight wars to get the best possible rewards at the end of the season. So while it is still true that players get rewards after every war, it is the potentially very large season rewards that people are jockeying for, and the one and only time they can jump alliances is before the season starts, and the only way this offers an advantage is if they jump upward.
If there is no advantage to jumping downward anymore, and there's a huge penalty for jumping at all during a season, shell hopping is going to quickly become a rarity. The short term advantage won't be worth the long term penalty. By the time we all figure out how to stop it, it won't be happening anymore.
Sure, an occasional high tier alliance will disband and their alliance will become hot property, but outside of that rare occurrence there won't be any way for this to work to anyone's advantage.
When this post started I didn't think about it as an exploit. But after reading the arguments, I have to agree that it is unfair. Even if it is a very pro alliance like OMNI, that would eventually get to the top tiers, it puts other alliances in disadvantage and takes the spot for another alliance as well (while it would have taken them a while to get there).
So it wasn't an exploit when they did it... but it is an exploit now, BECAUSE I KNOW PEOPLE ARE NOW SELLING IDLE ALLIANCES.
So yes, this is a problem to look at. Maybe it cannot be fixed retroactively, but something should be done, otherwise, all the efforts could be undone by any idle alliance resurrecting for 5 wars.
So yes, this is a problem to look at. Maybe it cannot be fixed retroactively, but something should be done, otherwise, all the efforts could be undone by any idle alliance resurrecting for 5 wars.
That's an interesting statement. Please explain how "resurrecting for five wars" accomplishes anything. Explain how earning points for only five wars gets you anywhere.
I don't think you understand how alliance war seasons works. It sounds like you think you can jump into an idle tier 1 alliance and get the top season rewards. You can't, because the war tier you are in has no effect on your season rewards. It only affects your points multiplier. To make this work, you would have to jump into an idle high tier alliance and fight as that tier for (essentially) the entire season.
You need to fight for at least five wars just to qualify for rewards. But your seasonal rewards will be based on how many points the alliance you are in racked up over the entire season. An alliance that only fights five wars at the end of the season is unlikely to be in a very good position overall.
So yes, this is a problem to look at. Maybe it cannot be fixed retroactively, but something should be done, otherwise, all the efforts could be undone by any idle alliance resurrecting for 5 wars.
That's an interesting statement. Please explain how "resurrecting for five wars" accomplishes anything. Explain how earning points for only five wars gets you anywhere.
I don't think you understand how alliance war seasons works. It sounds like you think you can jump into an idle tier 1 alliance and get the top season rewards. You can't, because the war tier you are in has no effect on your season rewards. It only affects your points multiplier. To make this work, you would have to jump into an idle high tier alliance and fight as that tier for (essentially) the entire season.
You need to fight for at least five wars just to qualify for rewards. But your seasonal rewards will be based on how many points the alliance you are in racked up over the entire season. An alliance that only fights five wars at the end of the season is unlikely to be in a very good position overall.
I never said they were going to be on top after 5 wars, I just said that they would displace the other alliances that didn't do this.
Basically, it would affect low and middle tiers the most. Whatever amount of points they do from now until the end, it will be a better result than before they jumped into a higher tier. See it as a stack. If you add something in the middle of the stack, all the numbers under it change. Even if they do not make enough points, they started with an advantage. In cases like OMNI, they can keep the tier and go even further, but it doesn't make it more fair. Because of their multiplier, they can get more points than starting almost from scratch as they were before the season.
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I agree. What we have is an Ally that moved for a fresh start in the Season. My reputation precedes me, and I would usually be the first to speak up against something that is exploitative. I do not agree that this is, simply because we have a discussion about an Ally that moved once, before the beginning of the Season. War is based on cumulative progress. Regardless of the Rating at the time of moving, it takes an adequate amount of work and cumulative Wins to maintain it. The Season lasts for some time, and that will require them to stay and work for said Rewards for the duration of the Season. I find the discussion to be exaggerated around one move, and compounded by other existing issues. If it was a situation where there was repeated abuse of the system, I would be at the front of the line to say something. That's not what we have here, and it's not applicable to the situation.
Once again this isn’t about one alliance. I don’t really care what an alliance could have done.or should have done If Alliance Alpha Beta or Gamma move to an inactive alliance, why are they allowed to compete in AW with war points they did not earn? The rules posted for the new AW season specify War Rating Points Earned. An inactive Alliance should lose its War Points after x weeks of inactivity. Just as they lose their AQ rank if they don’t participate in AQ for a week.
I have no idea how many other alliances have managed to find inactive Alliances in a higher war tier, but “Beta” alliance can’t be the only players who’ve done this.
Just to be clear. “A member of “Beta” Alliance posted a you tube video to announce that his alliance had found an inactive Alliance with a 1900 war Rating and by moving to that alliance they would jump from Tier 17 to Tier 4. My alliance is in Tier 4 except we had to fight an entire season to go From 0 to T4. It wasn’t fun but we earned our war ranking. It’s not cool that a previously inactive alliance can reactivate with new players and assume the war rating and tier placement of the abandoned alliance.
You didn’t do anything about alliance jumping in AQ and That exploit robbed a bunch of allliances an entire season of AQ rewards. If Kabam is going to allow Alliances to jump tiers by moving to inactive alliances then I want to know now so We can start looking.
You should start looking then.
Unless this is something they could rinse and repeat, I don’t view it as an exploit myself.
How is this cheating? Really, I don’t understand.
Yes, maybe it would be smart to have war ratings deteriorate over time, not so that this is less likely to happen, but because not participating should drop you to the bottom.
All they did is went to a different alliance with a higher war rating. And he clearly explained that the new matchmaking system was a big part of that (it isn’t fair to be matched with prestige, this really doesn’t allow you to climb to your proper place on the lader).
The alliance they jumped to, that rating didn’t fall out of the sky. A group of people worked for that, abbonded it and others (who btw used to play in tier 1) happily use that. It’s not like the AQ jumping thing where people would score t4c’s each week and take them away from people that deserved them. It’s not something they can do throughout the season, it’s not something they can (easily) repeat.
I do however think there is something wrong with how aw seasons works and theybig difference in multiplier, but that’s a whole different stroy.
Let’s see Kablaam work around this...
Likewise they have utilised a method that is available to them to maximise their rewards. I see no problem with this as it is done within the rules kabam has in place. If in light of this Kabam now chooses to change their rules, that is up to them. But as of now they have not broken any rules and the issue does not lie with the alliance for moving to a higher war tier alliance. The issue you have is with Kabam for allowing it to happen. If they moved from the original alliance they were in to the tier 4 one right from the start would you call it cheating still? They are all highly skilled to get to the AQ ranking they did so stop whining about it. If they aren't good enough to win at tier 4 then they'll get knocked down. If not then they get the rewards. Either way they have to win to get the reward right?
If you want to raise a 'legitimate' concern then why not raise it regarding the alliances that periodically switch between themselves in order for a low ranking one to gain minimal 5* shards they would not otherwise get and a high prestige one to continue winning in war. That I would consider an exploit. Not this
"she began to whine about how hard she had been forced to work"
This is exactly what you're doing. You can keep telling him to not use words like that, but maybe stop whining first and stop repeating the same thing over and over again.
Joining another alliance isn't against the rules. Merging with alliances isn't against the rules. Starting a new alliance isn't against the rules. Moving to a different alliance isn't against the rules, not when done by 1 person but also not when done by 30.
I actually have a "dead" alliance that I keep around due to the massive amounts in the treasury. Some day it might come in handy. I worked for it, with a lot of other people, and at some time I'll profit from it, probably with the a different group of people.
They have the skills to be one of the best, and do it the right way with everyone only focusing on their own account, no piloting for the weaker fighters that they may have had to do to or losing wars because others were getting ko'd and not finishing their lanes ?
All these debates about them starting from zero or starting from a collapsed alliance don't hold any weight without the complainers knowing all the facts leading up to their decision to work together. I'm just speculating as I don't know all the details myself, and I don't care. My guess is some of the people here with the loudest complaints may have lost their best players to this group.
Just enjoy your game, and let others do the same.
So ignore the 'passive-aggressive' and address the points made. Is she not entitled to use that alliance in the future? it's like saying because I saved money while working at one job I would not be allowed to use that money after starting another one. People are allowed to move alliances, whether it be one person or 30 people. There's no getting around that.
Everyone jumped ship to join my nemesis' alliance. I need 29 new members to join my alliance ASAP, 3147 war rating!
About half my team got banned! Need new members to join my alliance ASAP, 3200 war rating.
I hate BG2 and BG3. Need 20 players to join my alliance, 1846 war rating.
Looking for merger, need 9-15 players , 2187 war rating.
All this is context of game. No manipulation by... you know who.
The option being exercised is "moving to a different alliance." Unless Kabam makes it impossible to leave your alliance and join another one, they cannot eliminate this option.
But this is all largely moot for another reason. This isn't about "hopping" like before with jumping between two different alliances to manipulate AW rating to get better match ups. In the new AW seasons, there is absolutely no benefit to manipulating war rating to get better match ups in general, because in AW seasons alliances - not players, alliances - get points every time that alliance fights a war, and those points determine your end of season rewards.
Every time a group of players jumps out of one alliance and into another, the alliance they left gains ZERO points for any war they fight in a different alliance. If you are trying to get as much points as possible, you CANNOT jump into a different alliance to improve your situation. Prior to seasons, it was PLAYERS that individually got rewards for each war that was fought. So it didn't matter what alliance you were in. That's why alliances were sometimes referred to as "shells." They were just wrappers for the players, and the players could wear any shell they wanted to when they fought wars, and could pick the shell that gave them the best possible advantage.
Alliances are not shells anymore, because the game doesn't give season points to players. The game gives season points to alliances. It is the alliance, not the players, that must fight wars to get the best possible rewards at the end of the season. So while it is still true that players get rewards after every war, it is the potentially very large season rewards that people are jockeying for, and the one and only time they can jump alliances is before the season starts, and the only way this offers an advantage is if they jump upward.
If there is no advantage to jumping downward anymore, and there's a huge penalty for jumping at all during a season, shell hopping is going to quickly become a rarity. The short term advantage won't be worth the long term penalty. By the time we all figure out how to stop it, it won't be happening anymore.
Sure, an occasional high tier alliance will disband and their alliance will become hot property, but outside of that rare occurrence there won't be any way for this to work to anyone's advantage.
So it wasn't an exploit when they did it... but it is an exploit now, BECAUSE I KNOW PEOPLE ARE NOW SELLING IDLE ALLIANCES.
So yes, this is a problem to look at. Maybe it cannot be fixed retroactively, but something should be done, otherwise, all the efforts could be undone by any idle alliance resurrecting for 5 wars.
That's an interesting statement. Please explain how "resurrecting for five wars" accomplishes anything. Explain how earning points for only five wars gets you anywhere.
I don't think you understand how alliance war seasons works. It sounds like you think you can jump into an idle tier 1 alliance and get the top season rewards. You can't, because the war tier you are in has no effect on your season rewards. It only affects your points multiplier. To make this work, you would have to jump into an idle high tier alliance and fight as that tier for (essentially) the entire season.
You need to fight for at least five wars just to qualify for rewards. But your seasonal rewards will be based on how many points the alliance you are in racked up over the entire season. An alliance that only fights five wars at the end of the season is unlikely to be in a very good position overall.
I never said they were going to be on top after 5 wars, I just said that they would displace the other alliances that didn't do this.
Basically, it would affect low and middle tiers the most. Whatever amount of points they do from now until the end, it will be a better result than before they jumped into a higher tier. See it as a stack. If you add something in the middle of the stack, all the numbers under it change. Even if they do not make enough points, they started with an advantage. In cases like OMNI, they can keep the tier and go even further, but it doesn't make it more fair. Because of their multiplier, they can get more points than starting almost from scratch as they were before the season.
It is hard to explain without a whiteboard