AW Manipulation

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  • KpatrixKpatrix Member Posts: 1,055 ★★★
    Seriously why is this been an issue ? All I see is a YouTube guy who wanted to find 29 like minded players to build an alliance around.

    Instead of having the party at his place, they moved it to a place with a better view. Everyone in the alliance has payed their dues, it's not like 30 noobs bought 30 accounts and a shell alliance.
  • RasiloverRasilover Member Posts: 1,473 ★★★★
    CapWW2 wrote: »
    AxeCopFire wrote: »
    CapWW2 wrote: »
    Rasilover wrote: »
    This is fine. All they did was transition to a new alliance created by one member

    I think kabam should make Alliance War rating reset after 30 days of inactivity so this exploit is stopped.

    It's not an exploit so no reason to stop it. No one is harmed in any fashion.

    No one is harmed? What are you talking about? With all do respect do you really realize the content of your statement?

    The fact that it does not affect me does not mean it is right to jump alliances of bunches of 30 just for better AW rating. AGAIN this is not as just one person joining another alliance.

    Kabam you reset the AW rating for inactive alliance so this exploit does not happen anymore. We need the Alliance blackout to cover AW also. I am a veteran in this game and the same AQ alliance jumping problem for prestige is happening now with Alliance wars and AW rating. A huge percent of the top 200 alliances have shell alliances with second accounts that they use to drop tiers then switch alliance and win for weeks straight.

    How does this affect the game?

    People in lower tiers are fighting super strong dudes that are in a alliance with lower tier creating an unfair advantage.

    Also, now we can see the true color of this people that do this morally incorrect practice.

    They’re not gonna be jumping back constantly into two alliances to maintain their standing. Its simply moving into a better alliance as you move from e.g. tier 8 to 1. Besides with high prestige it’s difficult to find matchups that match up their prestige as alliances in the lower tiers have 2x less than them

  • AxeCopFireAxeCopFire Member Posts: 1,115 ★★★
    CapWW2 wrote: »
    AxeCopFire wrote: »
    CapWW2 wrote: »
    Rasilover wrote: »
    This is fine. All they did was transition to a new alliance created by one member

    I think kabam should make Alliance War rating reset after 30 days of inactivity so this exploit is stopped.

    It's not an exploit so no reason to stop it. No one is harmed in any fashion.

    No one is harmed? What are you talking about? With all do respect do you really realize the content of your statement?

    Also, now we can see the true color of this people that do this morally incorrect practice.

    Are you completely high? What are you even talking about? You really think that leaving an alliance with a low war rating and joining one with a higher rating is cheating?
  • CapWW2CapWW2 Member Posts: 2,901 ★★★★
    edited February 2018
    AxeCopFire wrote: »
    CapWW2 wrote: »
    AxeCopFire wrote: »
    CapWW2 wrote: »
    Rasilover wrote: »
    This is fine. All they did was transition to a new alliance created by one member

    I think kabam should make Alliance War rating reset after 30 days of inactivity so this exploit is stopped.

    It's not an exploit so no reason to stop it. No one is harmed in any fashion.

    No one is harmed? What are you talking about? With all do respect do you really realize the content of your statement?

    Also, now we can see the true color of this people that do this morally incorrect practice.

    Are you completely high? What are you even talking about? You really think that leaving an alliance with a low war rating and joining one with a higher rating is cheating?
    AxeCopFire wrote: »
    CapWW2 wrote: »
    AxeCopFire wrote: »
    CapWW2 wrote: »
    Rasilover wrote: »
    This is fine. All they did was transition to a new alliance created by one member

    I think kabam should make Alliance War rating reset after 30 days of inactivity so this exploit is stopped.

    It's not an exploit so no reason to stop it. No one is harmed in any fashion.

    No one is harmed? What are you talking about? With all do respect do you really realize the content of your statement?

    Also, now we can see the true color of this people that do this morally incorrect practice.

    Are you completely high? What are you even talking about? You really think that leaving an alliance with a low war rating and joining one with a higher rating is cheating?

    Yes it is a form of exploit just like AQ was before. No i am not high. The fact that you suggest such inflammatory accusations about me using drugs portraits how respectfull and smart you are.

    Blackout for AW is needed.
  • ArtttonArttton Member Posts: 59
    Kabam where you at?
  • CapWW2CapWW2 Member Posts: 2,901 ★★★★
    Why can we just have a respectfull conversation without offending the other person. If you cannot refute my argument what Can i do. I have been very respectfull.
  • RiegelRiegel Member Posts: 1,088 ★★★★
    You must complete 5 wars with your alliance to get season rewards. That is all. This is not an exploit, this is not against the rules.
  • CapWW2CapWW2 Member Posts: 2,901 ★★★★
    Riegel wrote: »
    You must complete 5 wars with your alliance to get season rewards. That is all. This is not an exploit, this is not against the rules.

    Just like jumping alliances in AQ was not, right? This is why black out was established.
  • RiegelRiegel Member Posts: 1,088 ★★★★
    CapWW2 wrote: »
    Riegel wrote: »
    You must complete 5 wars with your alliance to get season rewards. That is all. This is not an exploit, this is not against the rules.

    Just like jumping alliances in AQ was not, right? This is why black out was established.

    You must do 5 matches to get rewards. In aq you must be in the alliance 5 days. These are very different things and unrelated. Also, the aw penalty of 5 wars is harsher now than the aq blackout.

    If you join a higher tier aw alliance and lose 5 match straight you wont get good rewards. If you join a top aw alliance and win 5 and get good rewards then good on you.

    What Im getting at is you cant just jump into a better aw alli and expect to get good rewards you still have to earn them.

    Kabam has already laid out the rules for the new aw season system.

  • CapWW2CapWW2 Member Posts: 2,901 ★★★★
    Demonzfyre wrote: »
    CapWW2 wrote: »
    Why can we just have a respectfull conversation without offending the other person. If you cannot refute my argument what Can i do. I have been very respectfull.

    @CapWW2
    You cant even refute your own arguement. The only thing you keep repeating is exploit. EVERYONE has said this isnt an exploit. The alliance was tier 4 regardless if they moved or not. Due to their alliance PI, they cant get matches. They made a smart choice to move to an alliance with a war rating they can get matches in. ITS 100% legal to do so. They arent jumping from ally to ally like youve stated. They arent gaining ANYTHING FROM THIS. You arent losing anything from this. Get over it. Stop being so damn butthurt and move on. You have yet to bring ANYTHING of substance in the form of rebuttle to back up your stance. Go back to your corner and stay there.

    If they are not gaining anything from this why do it? Lmao
  • CapWW2CapWW2 Member Posts: 2,901 ★★★★
    CapWW2 wrote: »
    Demonzfyre wrote: »
    CapWW2 wrote: »
    Why can we just have a respectfull conversation without offending the other person. If you cannot refute my argument what Can i do. I have been very respectfull.

    @CapWW2
    You cant even refute your own arguement. The only thing you keep repeating is exploit. EVERYONE has said this isnt an exploit. The alliance was tier 4 regardless if they moved or not. Due to their alliance PI, they cant get matches. They made a smart choice to move to an alliance with a war rating they can get matches in. ITS 100% legal to do so. They arent jumping from ally to ally like youve stated. They arent gaining ANYTHING FROM THIS. You arent losing anything from this. Get over it. Stop being so damn butthurt and move on. You have yet to bring ANYTHING of substance in the form of rebuttle to back up your stance. Go back to your corner and stay there.

    If they are not gaining anything from this why do it? Lmao

    Additionally I cannot go back to my corner because you have been sleeping in it since yesterday. So if you find your own corner i can freely will be able to get to mine.
  • RiegelRiegel Member Posts: 1,088 ★★★★
    CapWW2 wrote: »
    Demonzfyre wrote: »
    CapWW2 wrote: »
    Why can we just have a respectfull conversation without offending the other person. If you cannot refute my argument what Can i do. I have been very respectfull.

    @CapWW2
    You cant even refute your own arguement. The only thing you keep repeating is exploit. EVERYONE has said this isnt an exploit. The alliance was tier 4 regardless if they moved or not. Due to their alliance PI, they cant get matches. They made a smart choice to move to an alliance with a war rating they can get matches in. ITS 100% legal to do so. They arent jumping from ally to ally like youve stated. They arent gaining ANYTHING FROM THIS. You arent losing anything from this. Get over it. Stop being so damn butthurt and move on. You have yet to bring ANYTHING of substance in the form of rebuttle to back up your stance. Go back to your corner and stay there.

    If they are not gaining anything from this why do it? Lmao

    They aren't gaining an unfair advantage. You can leave an join any alliance you want but you have to do 5 wars to get rewards.
  • NastyEfnNateNastyEfnNate Member Posts: 551 ★★
    Everyone of those guys were in an alliance that had a higher war rating than what they have now. They belong in a higher bracket than 4. What is it they r doing wrong? U should be happy u won’t have to have your asses handed to u when they work their way up. Cuz they will get there. They will be in the top 10
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 21,746 ★★★★★
    Everyone of those guys were in an alliance that had a higher war rating than what they have now. They belong in a higher bracket than 4. What is it they r doing wrong? U should be happy u won’t have to have your asses handed to u when they work their way up. Cuz they will get there. They will be in the top 10

    OP doesnt have any real reasons. He will just repeat what he originally posted as his excuse.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,484 ★★★★★
    CapWW2 wrote: »
    AxeCopFire wrote: »
    CapWW2 wrote: »
    Rasilover wrote: »
    This is fine. All they did was transition to a new alliance created by one member

    I think kabam should make Alliance War rating reset after 30 days of inactivity so this exploit is stopped.

    It's not an exploit so no reason to stop it. No one is harmed in any fashion.

    No one is harmed? What are you talking about? With all do respect do you really realize the content of your statement?

    The fact that it does not affect me does not mean it is right to jump alliances of bunches of 30 just for better AW rating. AGAIN this is not as just one person joining another alliance.

    Kabam you reset the AW rating for inactive alliance so this exploit does not happen anymore. We need the Alliance blackout to cover AW also. I am a veteran in this game and the same AQ alliance jumping problem for prestige is happening now with Alliance wars and AW rating. A huge percent of the top 200 alliances have shell alliances with second accounts that they use to drop tiers then switch alliance and win for weeks straight.

    How does this affect the game?

    People in lower tiers are fighting super strong dudes that are in a alliance with lower tier creating an unfair advantage.

    Also, now we can see the true color of this people that do this morally incorrect practice.
    They moved once, for a fresh start. Not repeatedly in order to manipulate the system. I'm sorry, but you're on a tangent on this one. You're confusing it with Shell Allies.
  • IOSJasoNIOSJasoN Member Posts: 645 ★★★
    This is a tricky issue.. Personally I see it as an exploit.. (What are they doing wrong? You should be happy they don't have to beat you on the way up...)
    That's the point though isn't it.. They should have to work their way up and working their way up takes time..
    What's wrong with sharing your account..
    What's wrong with selling your account..
    What's wrong with giving your account away..
    What's wrong with someone else doing hard content for you..
    All them things are a banable offence for what reason? You didn't do the work yourself to get where you are... one player moving.. two players.. 3 4 5 6 7 8 9... but 30 players moving into an alliance that will earn much better rewards with points they didn't do the work for..
    What's the difference..
  • realiTicrealiTic Member Posts: 96
    CapWW2 wrote: »
    Demonzfyre wrote: »
    CapWW2 wrote: »
    Bmf420 wrote: »
    All i have to say is wow.......just wow. Jealously is ridiculous here. [/quote

    Jelaousy of what? Of some people with no other thing to do rather than to play map 6 5 days a week? Lmao give me a break.

    @CapWW2 so you are saying ayone with a merger poat on here should immediately be punished? There isnt an exploit happening here at all. You have failed over and over to prove your point. Take the loss and step away.

    Who is winning or losing? All omni members are obtaining a war rating they DID NOT EARN. How is this so difficult to understand. Inactive alliances should have their ratings reset every after 30 days of 0 matchmaking PERIOD.

    So if all 30 Omni members went to 30 different alliances, would you still call it an exploit? They are all obtaining a war rating they didn’t earn per your logic.

    The reason they moved to a dead ally is because they were having trouble getting war matches. This is is due to a previous exploit that Kabam is trying to counter. They just want to get back to high tier war. At 15 mil I would expect them to be in T4+ in war.

    As for dead alliance reset idea, I think it’s too much, I think maybe drop a tier base on war participation each season.

    0 war = drop 5 tier
    1 war = drop 4 tier
    And so forth
  • CapWW2CapWW2 Member Posts: 2,901 ★★★★
    realiTic wrote: »
    CapWW2 wrote: »
    Demonzfyre wrote: »
    CapWW2 wrote: »
    Bmf420 wrote: »
    All i have to say is wow.......just wow. Jealously is ridiculous here. [/quote

    Jelaousy of what? Of some people with no other thing to do rather than to play map 6 5 days a week? Lmao give me a break.

    @CapWW2 so you are saying ayone with a merger poat on here should immediately be punished? There isnt an exploit happening here at all. You have failed over and over to prove your point. Take the loss and step away.

    Who is winning or losing? All omni members are obtaining a war rating they DID NOT EARN. How is this so difficult to understand. Inactive alliances should have their ratings reset every after 30 days of 0 matchmaking PERIOD.

    So if all 30 Omni members went to 30 different alliances, would you still call it an exploit? They are all obtaining a war rating they didn’t earn per your logic.

    The reason they moved to a dead ally is because they were having trouble getting war matches. This is is due to a previous exploit that Kabam is trying to counter. They just want to get back to high tier war. At 15 mil I would expect them to be in T4+ in war.

    As for dead alliance reset idea, I think it’s too much, I think maybe drop a tier base on war participation each season.

    0 war = drop 5 tier
    1 war = drop 4 tier
    And so forth

    Good idea
  • phillgreenphillgreen Member Posts: 3,966 ★★★★★
    What if individuals carried their own war rating based on previous performances?

    The alliance rating is a factor of the combined members.

  • CapWW2CapWW2 Member Posts: 2,901 ★★★★
    phillgreen wrote: »
    What if individuals carried their own war rating based on previous performances?

    The alliance rating is a factor of the combined members.

    Amazing idea.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,285 Guardian
    CapWW2 wrote: »
    DNA3000 wrote: »
    CapWW2 wrote: »
    Nothing to see here. If they are good enough to stay at the top they deserve to be there. Not every alliance needs to start from the bottom up.

    Every alliance should start from 0 war rating. Kabam should make the penalty for switching alliance 7 days with no alliance rewards just like AQ with regard to AW.

    You do understand that every alliance already starts with zero war rating, and even if Kabam made the penalty for switching alliances a week of no rewards just like AQ that would have essentially zero impact on the people being discussed in this thread, right?

    I think it will stop the exploit somehow. 7 days with O rewards is very counterproductive.

    Tell me how kabam will avoid the massive exploit exodus happening 3 weeks before AW season Rewards are collected?

    I don't believe you really have a firm grasp on the thing you're claiming as an exploit. The Omni players aren't jumping alliances to get better rewards in the next war or the next seven wars. They are doing it to start in a higher tier multiplier to reach for the best end of season rewards. Nullifying their rewards for seven days would have zero impact on their decision. Keep in mind these are players that were perfectly willing to start in a new alliance that had extremely low rewards compared to jumping to an empty shell alliance which they could have done from the start.

    I'm not sure what you mean by "massive exploit exodus" because I'm unaware of any way to exploit the system by jumping alliances during the season. The rewards you get at the end of the season are not based on your tier, but based on your alliance's total points scored over the season. Any alliance that isn't actually fighting wars is keeping their tier, but not scoring points. If you jump out of your alliance three weeks before the end of the season into another alliance, that is only a good move if that alliance itself has been fighting wars all season long and scored a lot of points. There's no specific advantage I can see to do anything other than fight as many wars as possible and score as much points as possible. Any alliance parked idle is essentially losing ground every day. Having people jump into it at the last minute doesn't score points.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,285 Guardian
    phillgreen wrote: »
    Thanks for the explanation @DNA3000 though if that is your simplified version I'd hate to see the long form, I appreciate the detail nonetheless. :D

    So, from a high rated they went to a lower rated alliance that is higher than a brand new alliance.

    I don't have a problem with that but it will not be nice for opposing alliances trying to work upwards, I think people are confusing what is right with what is fair.

    How does the system account for vastly outmatched ratings when matching in lower tiers?

    I'm not sure what you mean by "vastly outmatched ratings." The system matches using war rating, so alliances should normally be matched against alliances with similar ratings. Of course, sometimes the system seems to do odd things, but without knowing the precise implementation I can't comment on glitches.

    Outside of glitches, the system seems to use a method that at least roughly matches how many seasonal or dynamic ratings systems work. Basically, every competitor has a theoretical rating that describes how powerful they are. In theory, competition should match everyone against competitors with similar rating. However, we don't know, and cannot know, what this hypothetical rating actually is. So we use the competition itself to refine our guess as to what that rating is. So an alliance starts with rating zero. It is matched against another alliance of similarly low rating. If it wins, we assume its "true" rating was obviously higher than zero. We use some formula (different for every rating system) to adjust our new "guess" at their "true" rating. So we guess their true rating is 100, for example. Now we match against alliances near that rating. With each win and loss, we adjust our "guesstimate" rating, which we assume slowly converges on the "true" rating of the alliance. Given that the strength of an alliance changes over time, competition changes over time, and there is some random luck in wins and losses, your system alliance rating will over time slowly bounce around your "true" rating, which remember is some theoretical number we can never actually know with certainty.

    That's how the system basically deals with "unfair" match ups. It tries over time to evolve closer match ups using your win/loss record as the best possible "measurement" of what your strength actually is.
  • AxeCopFireAxeCopFire Member Posts: 1,115 ★★★
    edited February 2018
    DNA3000 wrote: »
    CapWW2 wrote: »
    phillgreen wrote: »
    What if individuals carried their own war rating based on previous performances?

    The alliance rating is a factor of the combined members.

    Amazing idea.

    Are you high? You're arguing that Omni is somehow exploiting the game by jumping to an idle alliance with a higher than zero rating, and your solution to that is to allow them to keep the alliance rating they had when they left their previous alliances which is almost certainly far higher than that?

    He's not high, he's just a free spirit that doesn't let logic, facts or rational thought get in the way of knee-jerk hysteria.
  • RektorRektor Member Posts: 678 ★★★
    You cant use logic to satisfy complaints that are caused by jealousy. Bunch of people were excited to see OMNI miss out on AW rewards. Now they’re mad.

    Hurry up and get to tier 1 where you belong.
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