Alliance Quest Miniboss and Sentinel Refresh - April 2018 - Discussion Thread [Updated April 13]

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  • D14rockD14rock Member Posts: 31
    What about giving players rank downs now that wolvy is useless.. also with the inclusion if sentinels which take forever to take down, you should increase the match timer to 5 minutes.. already without the sentinels, if l you are in an alliance right now with decent prestige, you can't take down nodes in time with 4* Champs anymore.
  • BitterSteelBitterSteel Member Posts: 9,264 ★★★★★
    D14rock wrote: »
    What about giving players rank downs now that wolvy is useless.. also with the inclusion if sentinels which take forever to take down, you should increase the match timer to 5 minutes.. already without the sentinels, if l you are in an alliance right now with decent prestige, you can't take down nodes in time with 4* Champs anymore.

    If you think Wolvy is useless you don’t deserve to have him
  • TheOneAndOnlyTheOneAndOnly Member Posts: 690 ★★★
    D14rock wrote: »
    What about giving players rank downs now that wolvy is useless.. also with the inclusion if sentinels which take forever to take down, you should increase the match timer to 5 minutes.. already without the sentinels, if l you are in an alliance right now with decent prestige, you can't take down nodes in time with 4* Champs anymore.

    If you think Wolvy is useless you don’t deserve to have him

    Day 5 Wolverine on debuff immune path against CB can go to the wire if you are not aggressive enough.
  • DarknessKittenDarknessKitten Member Posts: 4
    Summoners,

    We've just announced a small refresh of Alliance Quests that will start April 2nd. This will include new Minibosses, and a farewell to our Symbioid friends!

    Read all about it, then ask your questions!

    Anything you guys are up for.
  • Tom_Cruise1Tom_Cruise1 Member Posts: 56
    @Kabam DK
    Sentinels cannot be awaken, how would anyone fight a sentinel on bleed/poison/immune paths with no class advantage champs?
  • BitterSteelBitterSteel Member Posts: 9,264 ★★★★★
    @Kabam DK
    Sentinels cannot be awaken, how would anyone fight a sentinel on bleed/poison/immune paths with no class advantage champs?
    Take a bleed or poison Immune that has a class advantage over the sentinels on your path.
  • TKalTKal Member Posts: 534 ★★
    @Kabam DK
    Sentinels cannot be awaken, how would anyone fight a sentinel on bleed/poison/immune paths with no class advantage champs?
    Take a bleed or poison Immune that has a class advantage over the sentinels on your path.


    Is there any bleed immune skill champ ? And also science ? Cause on path #1 tier 2 there is 2 symbioids on bleed node, one science and one mystic
  • BitterSteelBitterSteel Member Posts: 9,264 ★★★★★
    TKal wrote: »
    @Kabam DK
    Sentinels cannot be awaken, how would anyone fight a sentinel on bleed/poison/immune paths with no class advantage champs?
    Take a bleed or poison Immune that has a class advantage over the sentinels on your path.


    Is there any bleed immune skill champ ? And also science ? Cause on path #1 tier 2 there is 2 symbioids on bleed node, one science and one mystic

    Luke cage for science but for skill you could take in agent venom or kingpin for a chance to shrug off, although not the best option since over time you’ll lose them a fair few times. Why is the class advantage so important to have? Get the person going that path just have a bleed immune champion who can beat a science sentinel without class advantage. Sure it helps combat the sig ability but it’s not a must.
  • TKalTKal Member Posts: 534 ★★
    TKal wrote: »
    @Kabam DK
    Sentinels cannot be awaken, how would anyone fight a sentinel on bleed/poison/immune paths with no class advantage champs?
    Take a bleed or poison Immune that has a class advantage over the sentinels on your path.


    Is there any bleed immune skill champ ? And also science ? Cause on path #1 tier 2 there is 2 symbioids on bleed node, one science and one mystic

    Luke cage for science but for skill you could take in agent venom or kingpin for a chance to shrug off, although not the best option since over time you’ll lose them a fair few times. Why is the class advantage so important to have? Get the person going that path just have a bleed immune champion who can beat a science sentinel without class advantage. Sure it helps combat the sig ability but it’s not a must.

    It will be I think in map 5 day 5, when the fights will be long enough for the analysis of sentinels to **** off a fight
  • HōLΨ93HōLΨ93 Member Posts: 1
    still learning how to play n try my best to be a good play . anyone teach me...
  • Carmel1Carmel1 Member Posts: 634 ★★★
    I agree with @DNA3000
    We fought enough Nightcrawlers in AW to know he's A LOT harder than rhino\cable\mordo and this is not a question of practice.
  • TonedefTonedef Member Posts: 137
    It’s almost like we’re going to be their guinea pigs for this one. They’re going to gauge how much more challenging it is by reading the community’s backlash on the forums, then compensate us with what is likely to be a less than adequate increase in rewards at some point in the future. They can’t win, their track record is so bad that anything they do will have people up-in-arms.

    They need to fix the current bugs, make sure they’re crushed under many boots, then test any new content thoroughly before releasing it. Holding off on this AQ update should be something they are seriously considering. Increasing the difficulty level without increasing rewards makes no sense to me.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,512 ★★★★★
    That would be quite an increase in Rewards for a swap of Syms and Minis partway through the Season. It's just a shift in Champs. It's not a major undertaking.
  • D14rockD14rock Member Posts: 31
    D14rock wrote: »
    What about giving players rank downs now that
    D14rock wrote: »
    What about giving players rank downs now that wolvy is useless.. also with the inclusion if sentinels which take forever to take down, you should increase the match timer to 5 minutes.. already without the sentinels, if l you are in an alliance right now with decent prestige, you can't take down nodes in time with 4* Champs anymore.

    If you think Wolvy is useless you don’t deserve to have him

    I guess I don't deserve him anymore after years of use. Lol. Obviously you have no idea what I'm talking about and are a still a newb.. that's why wolvy is so close to your heart.. I wasn't stating an opinion on wolvy being useless. It is a fact. Wait and see. As useless as your 3* dp
  • DrVD99DrVD99 Member Posts: 71
    I hope the increase in rewards will be introduced in the following update. Otherwise more teams will just do lower maps and Kabam will just lose money.
  • BitterSteelBitterSteel Member Posts: 9,264 ★★★★★
    D14rock wrote: »
    D14rock wrote: »
    What about giving players rank downs now that
    D14rock wrote: »
    What about giving players rank downs now that wolvy is useless.. also with the inclusion if sentinels which take forever to take down, you should increase the match timer to 5 minutes.. already without the sentinels, if l you are in an alliance right now with decent prestige, you can't take down nodes in time with 4* Champs anymore.

    If you think Wolvy is useless you don’t deserve to have him

    I guess I don't deserve him anymore after years of use. Lol. Obviously you have no idea what I'm talking about and are a still a newb.. that's why wolvy is so close to your heart.. I wasn't stating an opinion on wolvy being useless. It is a fact. Wait and see. As useless as your 3* dp

    I suppose I’m a pretty decent newb considering I began during the games beta stages, I have now completed act 4, act 5 with no money spent, RoL with no revives used, every single boss rush challenge or Coulson challenge every released, RTTL, my first run on LoL spending 0 real money, all uncollected quests, in a top tier alliance in tier 3/4 Aw, expert tier aq, have a 6* and close to another, have 5 rank 4 5* with the ability to do another 3 and to have a profile over 400k rated. But sure, go ahead thinking I’m a newb.

    It is your opinion that wolv will be useless and you are wrong. Over 2/3 of the Aq map will be able to bleed, take him for those fights. You are so wrong it’s laughable.
  • BitterSteelBitterSteel Member Posts: 9,264 ★★★★★
    D14rock wrote: »
    D14rock wrote: »
    What about giving players rank downs now that wolvy is useless.. also with the inclusion if sentinels which take forever to take down, you should increase the match timer to 5 minutes.. already without the sentinels, if l you are in an alliance right now with decent prestige, you can't take down nodes in time with 4* Champs anymore.

    If you think Wolvy is useless you don’t deserve to have him
    tqle38d4uxfb.png must be why it only took a couple of hours for this image to circle around the real mcoc chat rooms

    Well there’s a meme about it, it must be true
  • PlantesanPlantesan Member Posts: 335 ★★
    Kabam should just wait until the next AW season comes out to release both. Makes the potential server crash a one-time deal.

    It would also allow for them to provide a better product, rather than this “updating by the edge of our seats and hope for the best approach” nonsense going on.
  • Mmx1991Mmx1991 Member Posts: 674 ★★★★
    edited March 2018
    Evade champs like OG Spidey and Night Crawler wouldn't be bad if they're weren't a broken money grab from the start since they evade and counterattack in one move.
  • D14rockD14rock Member Posts: 31
    D14rock wrote: »
    D14rock wrote: »
    What about giving players rank downs now that
    D14rock wrote: »
    What about giving players rank downs now that wolvy is useless.. also with the inclusion if sentinels which take forever to take down, you should increase the match timer to 5 minutes.. already without the sentinels, if l you are in an alliance right now with decent prestige, you can't take down nodes in time with 4* Champs anymore.

    If you think Wolvy is useless you don’t deserve to have him

    I guess I don't deserve him anymore after years of use. Lol. Obviously you have no idea what I'm talking about and are a still a newb.. that's why wolvy is so close to your heart.. I wasn't stating an opinion on wolvy being useless. It is a fact. Wait and see. As useless as your 3* dp

    I suppose I’m a pretty decent newb considering I began during the games beta stages, I have now completed act 4, act 5 with no money spent, RoL with no revives used, every single boss rush challenge or Coulson challenge every released, RTTL, my first run on LoL spending 0 real money, all uncollected quests, in a top tier alliance in tier 3/4 Aw, expert tier aq, have a 6* and close to another, have 5 rank 4 5* with the ability to do another 3 and to have a profile over 400k rated. But sure, go ahead thinking I’m a newb.

    It is your opinion that wolv will be useless and you are wrong. Over 2/3 of the Aq map will be able to bleed, take him for those fights. You are so wrong it’s laughable.

    Well I applaud you for all of your amazing mcoc accomplishments. Didn't realize you were number 1 mcoc player in the world, but your math is way off. Including abomination whom to don't want to bleed, and none of the mini bosses or bosses, there will be 61 nodes on map 5 where you can't bleed opponent. That's not 2/3 of the map. That's not even 40% of the map..
  • D14rockD14rock Member Posts: 31
    Kabam has clearly stated that it's time for us to rank up our armor break champs
  • BitterSteelBitterSteel Member Posts: 9,264 ★★★★★
    D14rock wrote: »
    D14rock wrote: »
    D14rock wrote: »
    What about giving players rank downs now that
    D14rock wrote: »
    What about giving players rank downs now that wolvy is useless.. also with the inclusion if sentinels which take forever to take down, you should increase the match timer to 5 minutes.. already without the sentinels, if l you are in an alliance right now with decent prestige, you can't take down nodes in time with 4* Champs anymore.

    If you think Wolvy is useless you don’t deserve to have him

    I guess I don't deserve him anymore after years of use. Lol. Obviously you have no idea what I'm talking about and are a still a newb.. that's why wolvy is so close to your heart.. I wasn't stating an opinion on wolvy being useless. It is a fact. Wait and see. As useless as your 3* dp

    I suppose I’m a pretty decent newb considering I began during the games beta stages, I have now completed act 4, act 5 with no money spent, RoL with no revives used, every single boss rush challenge or Coulson challenge every released, RTTL, my first run on LoL spending 0 real money, all uncollected quests, in a top tier alliance in tier 3/4 Aw, expert tier aq, have a 6* and close to another, have 5 rank 4 5* with the ability to do another 3 and to have a profile over 400k rated. But sure, go ahead thinking I’m a newb.

    It is your opinion that wolv will be useless and you are wrong. Over 2/3 of the Aq map will be able to bleed, take him for those fights. You are so wrong it’s laughable.

    Well I applaud you for all of your amazing mcoc accomplishments. Didn't realize you were number 1 mcoc player in the world, but your math is way off. Including abomination whom to don't want to bleed, and none of the mini bosses or bosses, there will be 61 nodes on map 5 where you can't bleed opponent. That's not 2/3 of the map. That's not even 40% of the map..

    I can’t be bothered to do the maths, but even if it’s half of the map or a third of the map that can bleed. Wolverine is one third of your aq team. So what if he can do one third of the fights.
  • D14rockD14rock Member Posts: 31
    D14rock wrote: »
    D14rock wrote: »
    D14rock wrote: »
    What about giving players rank downs now that
    D14rock wrote: »
    What about giving players rank downs now that wolvy is useless.. also with the inclusion if sentinels which take forever to take down, you should increase the match timer to 5 minutes.. already without the sentinels, if l you are in an alliance right now with decent prestige, you can't take down nodes in time with 4* Champs anymore.

    If you think Wolvy is useless you don’t deserve to have him

    I guess I don't deserve him anymore after years of use. Lol. Obviously you have no idea what I'm talking about and are a still a newb.. that's why wolvy is so close to your heart.. I wasn't stating an opinion on wolvy being useless. It is a fact. Wait and see. As useless as your 3* dp

    I suppose I’m a pretty decent newb considering I began during the games beta stages, I have now completed act 4, act 5 with no money spent, RoL with no revives used, every single boss rush challenge or Coulson challenge every released, RTTL, my first run on LoL spending 0 real money, all uncollected quests, in a top tier alliance in tier 3/4 Aw, expert tier aq, have a 6* and close to another, have 5 rank 4 5* with the ability to do another 3 and to have a profile over 400k rated. But sure, go ahead thinking I’m a newb.

    It is your opinion that wolv will be useless and you are wrong. Over 2/3 of the Aq map will be able to bleed, take him for those fights. You are so wrong it’s laughable.

    Well I applaud you for all of your amazing mcoc accomplishments. Didn't realize you were number 1 mcoc player in the world, but your math is way off. Including abomination whom to don't want to bleed, and none of the mini bosses or bosses, there will be 61 nodes on map 5 where you can't bleed opponent. That's not 2/3 of the map. That's not even 40% of the map..

    I can’t be bothered to do the maths, but even if it’s half of the map or a third of the map that can bleed. Wolverine is one third of your aq team. So what if he can do one third of the fights.

    That's not including the to rockets and iron mans, whom are beatable, but still... I mean I guess I'm wrong.. if you are the world's greatest player who doesn't need revives to best every game mode and are too stubborn to retire your wolvy for your better 5* and 6* options the would have better utility, then wolvy is definitely not useless to you. Lol
  • BitterSteelBitterSteel Member Posts: 9,264 ★★★★★
    D14rock wrote: »
    D14rock wrote: »
    D14rock wrote: »
    D14rock wrote: »
    What about giving players rank downs now that
    D14rock wrote: »
    What about giving players rank downs now that wolvy is useless.. also with the inclusion if sentinels which take forever to take down, you should increase the match timer to 5 minutes.. already without the sentinels, if l you are in an alliance right now with decent prestige, you can't take down nodes in time with 4* Champs anymore.

    If you think Wolvy is useless you don’t deserve to have him

    I guess I don't deserve him anymore after years of use. Lol. Obviously you have no idea what I'm talking about and are a still a newb.. that's why wolvy is so close to your heart.. I wasn't stating an opinion on wolvy being useless. It is a fact. Wait and see. As useless as your 3* dp

    I suppose I’m a pretty decent newb considering I began during the games beta stages, I have now completed act 4, act 5 with no money spent, RoL with no revives used, every single boss rush challenge or Coulson challenge every released, RTTL, my first run on LoL spending 0 real money, all uncollected quests, in a top tier alliance in tier 3/4 Aw, expert tier aq, have a 6* and close to another, have 5 rank 4 5* with the ability to do another 3 and to have a profile over 400k rated. But sure, go ahead thinking I’m a newb.

    It is your opinion that wolv will be useless and you are wrong. Over 2/3 of the Aq map will be able to bleed, take him for those fights. You are so wrong it’s laughable.

    Well I applaud you for all of your amazing mcoc accomplishments. Didn't realize you were number 1 mcoc player in the world, but your math is way off. Including abomination whom to don't want to bleed, and none of the mini bosses or bosses, there will be 61 nodes on map 5 where you can't bleed opponent. That's not 2/3 of the map. That's not even 40% of the map..

    I can’t be bothered to do the maths, but even if it’s half of the map or a third of the map that can bleed. Wolverine is one third of your aq team. So what if he can do one third of the fights.

    That's not including the to rockets and iron mans, whom are beatable, but still... I mean I guess I'm wrong.. if you are the world's greatest player who doesn't need revives to best every game mode and are too stubborn to retire your wolvy for your better 5* and 6* options the would have better utility, then wolvy is definitely not useless to you. Lol

    What you’re saying makes no sense. I’m not too stubborn, I just know that you have 3 aq champs, not 1 aq champ and two that you aren’t allowed to use. I use my wolv occasionally because he’s still a good champ, he’s not useless and anyone who says he is, is wrong or don’t know that there are other champions in the game.

    When this change happens, I would like to see if people actually stop using wolv because I am prepared to bet they won’t. Just like 12.0, people promised they would quit but I still see them post on the forum about their latest game achievements
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,427 Guardian
    D14rock wrote: »
    D14rock wrote: »
    D14rock wrote: »
    What about giving players rank downs now that
    D14rock wrote: »
    What about giving players rank downs now that wolvy is useless.. also with the inclusion if sentinels which take forever to take down, you should increase the match timer to 5 minutes.. already without the sentinels, if l you are in an alliance right now with decent prestige, you can't take down nodes in time with 4* Champs anymore.

    If you think Wolvy is useless you don’t deserve to have him

    I guess I don't deserve him anymore after years of use. Lol. Obviously you have no idea what I'm talking about and are a still a newb.. that's why wolvy is so close to your heart.. I wasn't stating an opinion on wolvy being useless. It is a fact. Wait and see. As useless as your 3* dp

    I suppose I’m a pretty decent newb considering I began during the games beta stages, I have now completed act 4, act 5 with no money spent, RoL with no revives used, every single boss rush challenge or Coulson challenge every released, RTTL, my first run on LoL spending 0 real money, all uncollected quests, in a top tier alliance in tier 3/4 Aw, expert tier aq, have a 6* and close to another, have 5 rank 4 5* with the ability to do another 3 and to have a profile over 400k rated. But sure, go ahead thinking I’m a newb.

    It is your opinion that wolv will be useless and you are wrong. Over 2/3 of the Aq map will be able to bleed, take him for those fights. You are so wrong it’s laughable.

    Well I applaud you for all of your amazing mcoc accomplishments. Didn't realize you were number 1 mcoc player in the world, but your math is way off. Including abomination whom to don't want to bleed, and none of the mini bosses or bosses, there will be 61 nodes on map 5 where you can't bleed opponent. That's not 2/3 of the map. That's not even 40% of the map..

    Seems unfair to me to first call a player a newb, then criticize them for bragging about their accomplishments.

    The math is off, but the presumption is that all the places where the targets are currently bleed immune have nothing to do with the Sentinels making Wolverine useless, because those nodes are already immune. If you're already doing the immunity path with Wolverine, for example, then you don't care about robot immunity. If you care about Abomination's bleeds, you probably aren't doing that path with Wolverine either. If you were *only* using Wolverine on Syms, well then that might be a problem but Syms were about half of most paths.

    I think Wolverine will still be fine on paths 2, 4, 6, 7, and 8 in stage one of Map 5, and paths 1, 4, 5, and 6 in stage 2. Path 7 if you were already doing it now. And anything in the middle in stage 3. But we'll see.
  • ArtttonArttton Member Posts: 59
    420sam wrote: »
    So, you are making it more difficult yet not adjusting anything like rewards or even glory? Can I ask why? How does this benefit the players?

    As we said in that post, we are working on a full refresh. We are not at a place or time where we can increase the rewards or fully refresh the mode right now.

    If you are working on a full refresh than what is the point of this change again?

    did the community ask for new bosses and sentinel addition?

    can i have only one logical reason?
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