Also “get better” is advice. If you can’t accept that you aren’t good enough when you fail a challenge and someone tells you need to get better then you can’t take constructive criticism. There are no tips to iceman other than bait specials and parry. There’s nothing special about any of these fights that’s hard to play around. Starting a fight with less health requires skill since you have a lot less room for error. Some of us have champs with larger health pools but one mistake and a 5/65 champ can easily get kod by iceman.
You cant just say people win because of their rosters.
Well, then I guess it's a good thing I never said that.
Coldsnap aside, I was taking anywhere from 500-1200 each hit for block damage.
With game mechanics being as shady as they are right now, anyone playing a 4/40-5/50 champ without god-like intercept skills can get KO'd, even if they never take a direct hit.
Especially on a safeguard node, where minimum hits for the win is in the 100 hit range.
Having high ranked champs with high health isn't the be-all-end-all, but it helps... a lot.
And once you're KO'd, a 40% revive will not be enough to re-enter the fight... you'll also have to pop some health pots as well, in order to survive the next round of cold snap.
So I get the frustrations... I was frustrated with it too.
Also “get better” is advice. If you can’t accept that you aren’t good enough when you fail a challenge and someone tells you need to get better then you can’t take constructive criticism.
Saying "get better" is strictly criticism.
It is not constructive in any way.
Why are you blocking? Treat him stun immune. And go for it intercept more
You cant just say people win because of their rosters.
Well, then I guess it's a good thing I never said that.
Coldsnap aside, I was taking anywhere from 500-1200 each hit for block damage.
With game mechanics being as shady as they are right now, anyone playing a 4/40-5/50 champ without god-like intercept skills can get KO'd, even if they never take a direct hit.
Especially on a safeguard node, where minimum hits for the win is in the 100 hit range.
Having high ranked champs with high health isn't the be-all-end-all, but it helps... a lot.
And once you're KO'd, a 40% revive will not be enough to re-enter the fight... you'll also have to pop some health pots as well, in order to survive the next round of cold snap.
So I get the frustrations... I was frustrated with it too.
Also “get better” is advice. If you can’t accept that you aren’t good enough when you fail a challenge and someone tells you need to get better then you can’t take constructive criticism.
Saying "get better" is strictly criticism.
It is not constructive in any way.
Why are you blocking? Treat him stun immune. And go for it intercept more
That falls in the "get better" category and is clearly not constructive .
I’m stuck in Iceman. I don’t have Ghost Rider, Mephisto, or void lol. The real problem for me is I can’t log on anymore because of can’t connect, check your connection issue since last night. I have an IPhone 6, the most recent 11.2.6 software update, in NJ area, name is TedFeds in the game. Hopefully someone from Kabam sees this and can submit a report tag or something because I don’t know how. Thanks
Last time this happened to me about a month ago I ended up deleting the game from my iPhone entirely and reinstalling it. This fixed the problem for me. Nothing else did, from force closing to completely rebooting the phone.
This fight was stupid easy and I used an AA. Stop complaining and just get better
You mean that duped 5/65 AA that you have?
I bet that duped 4/55 Sparky or Starlord came in handy, too... especially in some of those other fights.
Not saying you aren't skilled, but I swear, every person that comes into these threads with their predictable, "get better and stop crying" ****, have rosters that are stacked sky-high.
I finished it without too much trouble as well... with an average roster and some item use... but have some compassion for the people who might be struggling a bit. Be constructive and offer some advice for a change.
Honestly, this kind of caustic player hostility is slowly making me dislike this game more than any of the **** that Kabam has pulled... it really sucks.
I'm curious why "just get better" sounds caustic and hostile to you, but "why is the content so #*&*(! awful" doesn't sound caustic and hostile to you. If someone asked politely for help on the forums and they got jumped on, I would be the first person to say that was uncalled for. But if someone decides to pop off and start from the position that the problem is entirely with the game and the content creators and not with some deficiency on their own ability to play the game, then I think no one should be surprised when the reaction they get is less helpful. The community should still try to be polite, but I think it is asking a lot to give latitude to people to complain about the game but no latitude to people responding to unconstructive complaints.
And once you're KO'd, a 40% revive will not be enough to re-enter the fight... you'll also have to pop some health pots as well, in order to survive the next round of cold snap.
Which players should be advised to save up specifically for content like this. As I keep mentioning, most new players don't realize that those four hour free crystals can be accumulated. If you open them, the stuff goes into your stash and then eventually expires. If you claim the crystal but don't open it, you can keep the crystals forever, which means you can eventually accumulate a gigantic potion stash indefinitely. If you do this, you should have tons of health potions for content like this which cost you no money and no units.
you prob dont even stand a chance in 100% act v let alone to be able to do map 6 aq.
its obviously you are a beginner/mid player,
all i did was survive his colsnap and there u go, bait and dodge all his specials and don't get hit, practice your interceps and parrying and u should be good.
get better and get good.
Not everyone is a 2X legenend like omg those skills you have.
you prob dont even stand a chance in 100% act v let alone to be able to do map 6 aq.
its obviously you are a beginner/mid player,
all i did was survive his colsnap and there u go, bait and dodge all his specials and don't get hit, practice your interceps and parrying and u should be good.
get better and get good.
Not everyone is a 2X legenend like omg those skills you have.
How do i get on your level bro ?
I don't think the boss rush requires either top tier champs or legendary skills. I think it takes some combination of strong but not ridiculous roster and maybe 75 percentile skills. But I think if you can't straight up outmuscle it or just steamroll it with top tier skills it does take some practice and strategic thinking.
I tested it several times with different ideas before finally completing it, and I think I ended up outthinking it as much as powering through it. For me the biggest realization was that with reasonable practice it was possible to complete the first four fights with an almost full strength team at the end, leaving a lot of strength left for Venom and Iceman. I ultimately used Hyperion for both Sparky and Rocket, because I knew Rocket would heal back everything I lost to Sparky. And I ended up using Iceman and Blade for Mephisto and Antman - but weirdly in the opposite order you might expect because in actual practice I discovered that my own skill set made it better to use Blade against Mephisto and heal back the incinerate, and use Iceman's SP1 to intercept Antman (since he is dash vulnerable) which I'm better at against a stun immune opponent. When I tried to use Blade against Antman I kept dying while trying to heal back chip damage. The reverse order left me with a basically 70% blade (vs Mephisto) and a more than half health Iceman (vs Antman). That left an almost full strength team to deal with the last two nasty opponents, and of the two I actually had more trouble with Venom than Iceman (because stun immune + starburst is something I'm not good at healing back aggressively with Blade).
Did I do it with a stacked team? You betcha: I used the strongest possible team I could. I'm not skilled enough to fool around like that on a reward run. But could I have done it with a much weaker team? I'm pretty sure I could: now that I have the rewards in the bag, I will probably try again with other combinations. Now that I know how it works and what to expect, and after a lot of practice runs to eventually beat it, I think it can be done - with my skill set - with much less.
But I think the most important thing to realize is everyone's skill set is different, so what works for someone won't necessarily work for someone else. You have to know your strengths and limitations, and understand how your roster works for you. Sure, I have Blade and Iceman, but I didn't use them the way conventional wisdom would suggest. I didn't use Iceman's incinerate immunity on Mephisto, I used Blade to heal it back. I could have used Wolverine or Rogue and the fight would have just been a little harder for me. And I used Iceman on Antman, but I could have used lots of other champs that I can intercept with well with a ranged SP1. Heck, I could have used Hyperion since I used him in the first two fights. In fact, I'll bet I could have done Sparky, Rocket, and Antman with Captain Marvel now that I know what works for me. And I know I suck at stun immune Venom, but that just means I need to deliver a strong alive team to him for the last two fights. And as to Iceman, honestly I've had a lot of practice dodging SP1 between Ice Phoenix and seeing him a lot in AW, but with only minor tweaks he is basically like dodging Iron Man, and evading Iron Man and all the variations of champions that have the same kind of SP1 (i.e. Kang, Ultron) was one of the first things I learned how to evade long ago. You get punished for making mistakes against Iceman, but you also have two weeks to try to get it right and single revives are also plentiful and cheap if it comes to just that one fight and you are close. If I got killed off the bat I would reset. If I got half way through Iceman I think its worth a revive to finish it off.
There are no excuses to have a hard time. Agent Venom was just in the arena for less than 2mil. Kingpin is in the arena now, & probably won't hit 3mil. Both of these Champions counter Iceman. There are 0 excuses. Simply go get Kingpin from arena if you are having a tough time with Iceman
Remember you have 12 days to complete it, don’t have to do it first time. I took 3 runs and died on iceman from getting clipped on the evade a couple times so quit out, and came back the next day, this morning aq and aw are off so went in and due to the practise reached venom with 5 champs alive, lost 2 to the degen on him but could relax on iceman, and just used parry till I died from block damage on my first champ, then finished him off with Ultron, I have multiple r4 5*s but if you drop health boost and double boost you should have similar health with a r5 4* (I didn’t use boosts) I have a solid team but none of the shruggers or ignorers at r5, plan, practise, research then fight and pray the game isn’t buggy, and remember if you die on the first two champs, start again
Actually, that's useful. It really doesn't cost a great deal of Energy. It just takes some patience to keep practicing. The same way you test if you're ready for ROL by making it past WS without dying. You can only become more efficient each time you do it. It's possible to do it with little or no Items used that way.
It’s hard, but nowhere near as hard as some of the other end game content. Which this is as well. I did it with a five star R4 DV. Not the ideal champ but his heal helped to negate the initial coldsnap damage.
Took me exactly 124 hits to beat him. If I compare that to fighting Void on a Regen node in AW (320+ hits from various champs, since I died and timed out) I think it’s pretty reasonable. As long as you can survive the initial damage, you’re in with a fighting chance.
If you can’t, you’re roster isn’t yet good enough to tackle these kind of challenges. You can’t explore act V with two stars either. Or win an F1 race on horeseback. That’s just the way the world works.
Practice, practice, try some new & different things, use other champs, switch it around.
I don’t know if it’s my memory, but that Jugs in 4.3.something pre-nerf could be way more difficult than any 1of these bosses. Especially if you took out too many boxes, in which case you empowered that Jugs more. I still used 4* 3/30& 4/40 for that content, and got the job done..........through trial and error (didn’t know about the ronan option back then).
you prob dont even stand a chance in 100% act v let alone to be able to do map 6 aq.
its obviously you are a beginner/mid player,
all i did was survive his colsnap and there u go, bait and dodge all his specials and don't get hit, practice your interceps and parrying and u should be good.
get better and get good.
Not everyone is a 2X legenend like omg those skills you have.
How do i get on your level bro ?
I don't think the boss rush requires either top tier champs or legendary skills. I think it takes some combination of strong but not ridiculous roster and maybe 75 percentile skills. But I think if you can't straight up outmuscle it or just steamroll it with top tier skills it does take some practice and strategic thinking.
I tested it several times with different ideas before finally completing it, and I think I ended up outthinking it as much as powering through it. For me the biggest realization was that with reasonable practice it was possible to complete the first four fights with an almost full strength team at the end, leaving a lot of strength left for Venom and Iceman. I ultimately used Hyperion for both Sparky and Rocket, because I knew Rocket would heal back everything I lost to Sparky. And I ended up using Iceman and Blade for Mephisto and Antman - but weirdly in the opposite order you might expect because in actual practice I discovered that my own skill set made it better to use Blade against Mephisto and heal back the incinerate, and use Iceman's SP1 to intercept Antman (since he is dash vulnerable) which I'm better at against a stun immune opponent. When I tried to use Blade against Antman I kept dying while trying to heal back chip damage. The reverse order left me with a basically 70% blade (vs Mephisto) and a more than half health Iceman (vs Antman). That left an almost full strength team to deal with the last two nasty opponents, and of the two I actually had more trouble with Venom than Iceman (because stun immune + starburst is something I'm not good at healing back aggressively with Blade).
Did I do it with a stacked team? You betcha: I used the strongest possible team I could. I'm not skilled enough to fool around like that on a reward run. But could I have done it with a much weaker team? I'm pretty sure I could: now that I have the rewards in the bag, I will probably try again with other combinations. Now that I know how it works and what to expect, and after a lot of practice runs to eventually beat it, I think it can be done - with my skill set - with much less.
But I think the most important thing to realize is everyone's skill set is different, so what works for someone won't necessarily work for someone else. You have to know your strengths and limitations, and understand how your roster works for you. Sure, I have Blade and Iceman, but I didn't use them the way conventional wisdom would suggest. I didn't use Iceman's incinerate immunity on Mephisto, I used Blade to heal it back. I could have used Wolverine or Rogue and the fight would have just been a little harder for me. And I used Iceman on Antman, but I could have used lots of other champs that I can intercept with well with a ranged SP1. Heck, I could have used Hyperion since I used him in the first two fights. In fact, I'll bet I could have done Sparky, Rocket, and Antman with Captain Marvel now that I know what works for me. And I know I suck at stun immune Venom, but that just means I need to deliver a strong alive team to him for the last two fights. And as to Iceman, honestly I've had a lot of practice dodging SP1 between Ice Phoenix and seeing him a lot in AW, but with only minor tweaks he is basically like dodging Iron Man, and evading Iron Man and all the variations of champions that have the same kind of SP1 (i.e. Kang, Ultron) was one of the first things I learned how to evade long ago. You get punished for making mistakes against Iceman, but you also have two weeks to try to get it right and single revives are also plentiful and cheap if it comes to just that one fight and you are close. If I got killed off the bat I would reset. If I got half way through Iceman I think its worth a revive to finish it off.
I was just giving noob a hard time. We were in the same alliance for a year
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Why are you blocking? Treat him stun immune. And go for it intercept more
That falls in the "get better" category and is clearly not constructive
Last time this happened to me about a month ago I ended up deleting the game from my iPhone entirely and reinstalling it. This fixed the problem for me. Nothing else did, from force closing to completely rebooting the phone.
I'm curious why "just get better" sounds caustic and hostile to you, but "why is the content so #*&*(! awful" doesn't sound caustic and hostile to you. If someone asked politely for help on the forums and they got jumped on, I would be the first person to say that was uncalled for. But if someone decides to pop off and start from the position that the problem is entirely with the game and the content creators and not with some deficiency on their own ability to play the game, then I think no one should be surprised when the reaction they get is less helpful. The community should still try to be polite, but I think it is asking a lot to give latitude to people to complain about the game but no latitude to people responding to unconstructive complaints.
Which players should be advised to save up specifically for content like this. As I keep mentioning, most new players don't realize that those four hour free crystals can be accumulated. If you open them, the stuff goes into your stash and then eventually expires. If you claim the crystal but don't open it, you can keep the crystals forever, which means you can eventually accumulate a gigantic potion stash indefinitely. If you do this, you should have tons of health potions for content like this which cost you no money and no units.
Not everyone is a 2X legenend like omg those skills you have.
How do i get on your level bro ?
I don't think the boss rush requires either top tier champs or legendary skills. I think it takes some combination of strong but not ridiculous roster and maybe 75 percentile skills. But I think if you can't straight up outmuscle it or just steamroll it with top tier skills it does take some practice and strategic thinking.
I tested it several times with different ideas before finally completing it, and I think I ended up outthinking it as much as powering through it. For me the biggest realization was that with reasonable practice it was possible to complete the first four fights with an almost full strength team at the end, leaving a lot of strength left for Venom and Iceman. I ultimately used Hyperion for both Sparky and Rocket, because I knew Rocket would heal back everything I lost to Sparky. And I ended up using Iceman and Blade for Mephisto and Antman - but weirdly in the opposite order you might expect because in actual practice I discovered that my own skill set made it better to use Blade against Mephisto and heal back the incinerate, and use Iceman's SP1 to intercept Antman (since he is dash vulnerable) which I'm better at against a stun immune opponent. When I tried to use Blade against Antman I kept dying while trying to heal back chip damage. The reverse order left me with a basically 70% blade (vs Mephisto) and a more than half health Iceman (vs Antman). That left an almost full strength team to deal with the last two nasty opponents, and of the two I actually had more trouble with Venom than Iceman (because stun immune + starburst is something I'm not good at healing back aggressively with Blade).
Did I do it with a stacked team? You betcha: I used the strongest possible team I could. I'm not skilled enough to fool around like that on a reward run. But could I have done it with a much weaker team? I'm pretty sure I could: now that I have the rewards in the bag, I will probably try again with other combinations. Now that I know how it works and what to expect, and after a lot of practice runs to eventually beat it, I think it can be done - with my skill set - with much less.
But I think the most important thing to realize is everyone's skill set is different, so what works for someone won't necessarily work for someone else. You have to know your strengths and limitations, and understand how your roster works for you. Sure, I have Blade and Iceman, but I didn't use them the way conventional wisdom would suggest. I didn't use Iceman's incinerate immunity on Mephisto, I used Blade to heal it back. I could have used Wolverine or Rogue and the fight would have just been a little harder for me. And I used Iceman on Antman, but I could have used lots of other champs that I can intercept with well with a ranged SP1. Heck, I could have used Hyperion since I used him in the first two fights. In fact, I'll bet I could have done Sparky, Rocket, and Antman with Captain Marvel now that I know what works for me. And I know I suck at stun immune Venom, but that just means I need to deliver a strong alive team to him for the last two fights. And as to Iceman, honestly I've had a lot of practice dodging SP1 between Ice Phoenix and seeing him a lot in AW, but with only minor tweaks he is basically like dodging Iron Man, and evading Iron Man and all the variations of champions that have the same kind of SP1 (i.e. Kang, Ultron) was one of the first things I learned how to evade long ago. You get punished for making mistakes against Iceman, but you also have two weeks to try to get it right and single revives are also plentiful and cheap if it comes to just that one fight and you are close. If I got killed off the bat I would reset. If I got half way through Iceman I think its worth a revive to finish it off.
Useful advice for all game content
There's nothing even remotely useful from that.
The only annoying thing about iceman is the cold snap damage, but I mean apart from that it’s a straight forward simple fight...
Just take a champ with high health, anyone can beat him.
Took me exactly 124 hits to beat him. If I compare that to fighting Void on a Regen node in AW (320+ hits from various champs, since I died and timed out) I think it’s pretty reasonable. As long as you can survive the initial damage, you’re in with a fighting chance.
If you can’t, you’re roster isn’t yet good enough to tackle these kind of challenges. You can’t explore act V with two stars either. Or win an F1 race on horeseback. That’s just the way the world works.
I don’t know if it’s my memory, but that Jugs in 4.3.something pre-nerf could be way more difficult than any 1of these bosses. Especially if you took out too many boxes, in which case you empowered that Jugs more. I still used 4* 3/30& 4/40 for that content, and got the job done..........through trial and error (didn’t know about the ronan option back then).
You’re right, sarcastic comment about practice and hard work paying off is worthless. Be like Drax right?
I was just giving noob a hard time. We were in the same alliance for a year