GOLD. Is it really an issue?

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  • Blax4everBlax4ever Member Posts: 683 ★★★
    Cujo999 wrote: »
    Blax4ever wrote: »
    @Cujo999

    Bottlenecks are ok, so long as there is a purpose for them. I didn’t have an issue when my progress slowed down because i lacked t4ccs. You keep playing and the resources you need will come.

    Gold requires hours per day for months at a time, on top of everything else you have to do in the game.

    Other resources have scaled with the progression of the game gold hasn’t.

    Well, that's not really true at all. If you're a solo player or you're not in at least a Map 4 Alliance, T4CC will always be a bottleneck unless you pay for them when you can. Any player can have as much Gold as they have time and patience or money at any time.

    AW and AQ don't eat up a large chunk of actual playtime. You can do other things, in game or out of game, while you're waiting on a node to go down. If you need Gold, you can always put off Story progression or the monthly EQ as long as you hit your Completion mins, and that's only 3 days out of the week. Duels don't eat up hardly any time at all. Yeah, there's tons of other things in the game that I WANT to do instead of grind Arenas, but not a lot of stuff I NEED to do.

    There isn't any content in the game that is currently geared towards 6* champs. Yeah, it's great to have another big stick for AW/AQ, but if everyone is having the same Gold issues in the top tiers, then the only people gaining a competitive advantage are the people who grind constantly or pay for Gold, and those people honestly should have the advantage. And if you're ranking for Prestige, you're just digging your own grave deeper by spending Gold to increase your donations.

    It's very hard for me to take the "progression of the game" argument seriously. Everyone knows piloting/account sharing is rampant through the top tiers in AQ and AW. Alliances account share in AQ to get more rank up materials which they use to win Wars to get more shards so they can get more champs, rinse, repeat. That Piloting/Account Sharing has caused accounts and Alliances to grow faster than the natural curve of progression, which is why that's a bad argument. Now, it's hitting the point where Alliances are starting to realize they're going to start losing people who are tired of not being able to rank champs due to high donations.

    I’m in an alliance that’s semi retired, do a few wars, a few AQ maps each week. I am all for better solo progression in the game, I think it would help improve competitiveness in AW and AQ. I wish more of the community would get behind this.

    You are right t4ccs will always be a bottleneck under Map 5 actually. Map 4 crystals suck. Map 5s aren’t that great either but much better than Map 4s.

    But so long as the meta is constructed as this is fighting game is some sort of MMO, that takes 30 people doing the same thing over and over for pieces of resources Kabam won’t meaningfully improve solo progression. Its a shame.

    Stark Spidey will probably be the last 5/50 I rank. I ranked him 2 months ago, I don’t think they are worth the 3 T4CCs anymore.
  • Blax4everBlax4ever Member Posts: 683 ★★★
    @CoatHang3r

    I apologize, your account and dedication to this game should be applauded, sir you truly are a legend.

    However, of the few hundred thousand player this game has how many do you think can grind out 97M in gold. You aren’t even in the 1% you are in the 0.01%.

    I can’t do what you do, I just don’t have the time.
  • CoatHang3rCoatHang3r Member Posts: 4,965 ★★★★★
    Blax4ever wrote: »
    @CoatHang3r

    I apologize, your account and dedication to this game should be applauded, sir you truly are a legend.

    However, of the few hundred thousand player this game has how many do you think can grind out 97M in gold. You aren’t even in the 1% you are in the 0.01%.

    I can’t do what you do, I just don’t have the time.
    I never said do what i do, or that you have to even come close to it, that is yalls false assumption and assertion.
  • shchong2shchong2 Member Posts: 2,419 ★★★★
    edited April 2018
    Blax4ever wrote: »
    @CoatHang3r

    I apologize, your account and dedication to this game should be applauded, sir you truly are a legend.

    However, of the few hundred thousand player this game has how many do you think can grind out 97M in gold. You aren’t even in the 1% you are in the 0.01%.

    I can’t do what you do, I just don’t have the time.

    Yea, maybe there are few of them similar to Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Bernard Arnault, Mark Zuckerberg, Amancio Ortega, etc. But I'm sure there are millions or billions common citizens who also have the rights to ask what they need and own the power of votes or voices to be heard! :)

    These millions or billions of common citizens also need to have better lives, but they are NOT asking to chiffon the wealth from these top richest men in the world. They are asking the govn to change the policies.

    I wonder how many votes do Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, Bernard Arnault, Mark Zuckerberg, Amancio Ortega, etc have? One each I presume (although we cannot be sure if they will not buy votes thru other means).
  • LeNoirFaineantLeNoirFaineant Member Posts: 8,675 ★★★★★
    CoatHang3r wrote: »
    Blax4ever wrote: »
    @CoatHang3r

    I apologize, your account and dedication to this game should be applauded, sir you truly are a legend.

    However, of the few hundred thousand player this game has how many do you think can grind out 97M in gold. You aren’t even in the 1% you are in the 0.01%.

    I can’t do what you do, I just don’t have the time.
    I never said do what i do, or that you have to even come close to it, that is yalls false assumption and assertion.

    Maybe so. But for a lot of people it isn't just "bad resource management" as you say.
  • CoatHang3rCoatHang3r Member Posts: 4,965 ★★★★★
    CoatHang3r wrote: »
    Blax4ever wrote: »
    @CoatHang3r

    I apologize, your account and dedication to this game should be applauded, sir you truly are a legend.

    However, of the few hundred thousand player this game has how many do you think can grind out 97M in gold. You aren’t even in the 1% you are in the 0.01%.

    I can’t do what you do, I just don’t have the time.
    I never said do what i do, or that you have to even come close to it, that is yalls false assumption and assertion.

    Maybe so. But for a lot of people it isn't just "bad resource management" as you say.
    Maybe so. But for a lot of people it isn’t an issue at all.
  • gohard123gohard123 Member Posts: 1,016 ★★★
    dwindled*
  • shchong2shchong2 Member Posts: 2,419 ★★★★
    edited April 2018
    Why not everyone just speak for himself/herself, no need to speak on behalf. Similar to everyone go cast vote for themselves, no casting vote on behalf. NOBODY denying other people's issue. Everyone voice equally.

    If I have gold issue, I know I have gold issue, I come to voice my issue, no one speaks for me but myself.

    If Jeff Cezos is too rich and has no issue, but he sees fit to come here to show his 1B gold and confirm he doesn't have any gold issue bcos he grind 100M arena fights, then Jeff Cezos comes to voice his confirmation of gold is not an issue, and Jeff Cezos speaks for himself.

    If poortheman has gold issue, but he doesn't want to come here to voice his issue but rather keep it to himself, then poortheman will keep his issue to himself and nobody needs to speak for poortheman.

    If Oceantin is too rich and has no gold issue, but he is too humble and low key and not willing to show off his wealth in gold, and Oceantin prefers not to come here to share his opinion that gold is not an issue, then Oceantin will keep his wealth to himself.

    And Kabam mods and devs and the mighty governing bodies will listen and observe and take everyone's feedback (with NOBODY denying other people's issue) and decides what's best to benefit the player base, of course they can still choose to either: (1) benefit everyone equally; (2) benefit top 1%-10% more than the rest; (3) benefit next 90%-99% more than the rest; or (4) benefit top spenders more than F2P, etc, it is upto them to implement, and once we experience any new change, we'll feedback what we feel again.

    NOBODY needs to deny other people's issue. Everyone voice equally. No rich educated guy telling poor guy who can't even get enough food that tertiary education is not a concern, and no poor guy telling rich guys that wealth needs to be shared. Everyone's situation is diff, but everyone still can respect the differences and diversity. Everyone manages the game differently bcos everyone has different priority. We don't live 24x7 in Kabam Universe. What everyone voices may not be agreed by Kabam, let Kabam decides what to take and what to reject. Since we don't work for Kabam, we don't need to help the to pre-filter the feedbacks and concerns. ;)
  • RiegelRiegel Member Posts: 1,088 ★★★★
    DNA3000 wrote: »
    Riegel wrote: »
    DNA3000 wrote: »
    Riegel wrote: »
    DNA3000 wrote: »
    Riegel wrote: »
    You will need new players to be able to catch up to fill the spots of those who quit, and if this process is 2 years or more it's not healthy for the game longevity.

    We don't need new players to literally "catch up" because if they could do that, then it would be to my benefit to start a new account and catch up with myself quickly. But you are correct we need newer players to be able to progress at a reasonable speed relative to veteran accounts. And that is true. The current state of the game allows players to do in a few months what it took me over a year to do initially. They are experiencing highly accelerated progress relative to what older players originally experienced: there's no "bottleneck" holding them back from being able to do so. They are bottlenecked insofar as everyone is, but you can probably progress to the middle of the pack on a timescale of less than a year or moderate play. Any faster than what they can do now would start to devalue actually being a veteran player.

    Sure, and they'd never been able to level non-progression champs. This would be solely due to gold. No amount of extra gold would allow them to level more progression champs because they wouldn't have the catalysts.

    You're saying something cannot happen that is actually happening and is easy to verify is happening. That seriously undermines the foundation of your argument.

    New accounts pushing for progression as i stated 4*-6*champs are also wasting gold on 3* and lower champs? Why would they do this? This would hinder their progression. Your counter makes no sense.

    Its actually your previous statement that makes no sense. First you say that newer players would never be able to level non-progression champions, and that the reason would be because of limited gold. Then you say that no amount of extra gold would allow them to level "progression champs" because the bottleneck on them is catalysts. Assuming I accept that definition of "progression champs" (its certainly not how I would use that term) you're saying that newer players don't level non-progression champs because of lack of gold and don't level progression champs because of lack of catalysts, but those two bottlenecks can't be simultaneously true for any extended period of time. Catalysts are not uniformly scarce: if you aren't spending gold on rank ups and not spending catalysts because of the lack of higher level catalysts then you're just wasting resources that expire.

    By the time a newer player could experience both problems simultaneously, they would have to have advanced to a similar degree as veteran players, something you previously implied would take an extremely long period of time (two years).

    I disagree with you. You most certainly can experience both at the same time, and you would and should save for your next progression rank up.
  • RiegelRiegel Member Posts: 1,088 ★★★★
    edited April 2018
    Mmx1991 wrote: »
    That doesn't tell us much. How many hours you spend grinding a day? How much you spend a month if any?

    All that gold and ISO has to come from somewhere.

    He is a hardcore grinder. He is in an alliance that does low tier aq maps (edit I see he moved up to OMNI - IDK what AQ that do) . Basically he is able to continuously build gold as his expenses are low.
  • RiegelRiegel Member Posts: 1,088 ★★★★
    CoatHang3r wrote: »
    Making gold easier to get for you has the potential to impact my placement in ranked arena rewards by allowing you an easier path to matching the strength of my roster.

    False
    CoatHang3r wrote: »
    Making gold easier to get for you means you no longer have to put forth the same effort towards alliance donations giving you greater access to higher AQ maps allowing you to compete with players who have earned those spots with dedication and time.

    Yes, but also you have to put forth less effort too.
    CoatHang3r wrote: »
    Makingngold easier to acquire screwsnwith the balance of alliances who run easier maps due to donation costs. It cab disrupt thier harmony by pushing them i to harder maps because the relative cost is no longer an obstacle.

    This makes no sense. Spell check? Also, completely wrong.
    CoatHang3r wrote: »
    Making gold easier to get devalues the gold other players have rightfully earned over time and upsets the economynof the game. If this game wasnt a competition for rewards noone would have a problem with you having access to a gold cheat code. Most Socialists can’t comprehend this due to the blinders they wear.

    Why do you always bring up some real world bs about socialist, liberals, fake news, ignoring reality, or false narratives? This is a video game my friend. A game where balance changes need to happen. If you disagree with the changes that's fine, but you go way beyond disagreeing.
  • RiegelRiegel Member Posts: 1,088 ★★★★
    CoatHang3r wrote: »
    Blax4ever wrote: »
    @CoatHang3r

    I apologize, your account and dedication to this game should be applauded, sir you truly are a legend.

    However, of the few hundred thousand player this game has how many do you think can grind out 97M in gold. You aren’t even in the 1% you are in the 0.01%.

    I can’t do what you do, I just don’t have the time.
    I never said do what i do, or that you have to even come close to it, that is yalls false assumption and assertion.

    Sounds like someone earlier in this thread. hmm
  • Stara99Stara99 Member Posts: 426 ★★
    How is verygoot the biggest grinder? He gets his scores because of refreshes and put a lot of money into the game.
  • RiegelRiegel Member Posts: 1,088 ★★★★
    Stara99 wrote: »
    How is verygoot the biggest grinder? He gets his scores because of refreshes and put a lot of money into the game.

    He's not "the biggest grinder." He is a very big grinder, and spending to grind is still grinding. This is off topic though.
  • shchong2shchong2 Member Posts: 2,419 ★★★★
    Stara99 wrote: »
    How is verygoot the biggest grinder? He gets his scores because of refreshes and put a lot of money into the game.

    Grind without recharge is grinding
    Grind by recharging with unit is still grinding
    Grind with arena boost is grinding
    Grind with arena boost and recharging with unit is still grinding
    Pay real cash to hire someone to grind arena on behalf without using bot is also grinding (as long as Kabam didn't find out)
    Play arena with bot - no comment on this
  • Batman05Batman05 Member Posts: 351 ★★
    The main reason people come and show how much gold they have and say gold is not an issue is because kabam has put a sufficient amount of gold in the game which is proof by the people with gold surplus. The real issue is not a gold shortage but diffrent people play at diffrent paces and thus there reward take home is at diffrent levels gold included. Everyone says they do not want a hand out but the true statement is you want more gold for less time playing. The other half see that statement as why should people get more rewards for doing less effort than me when effort will get you gold. And people saying gold is a bottle neck and shouldn't be are wrong. From diffrent times in the game every resource you have can and will be a bottle neck. Gold, alphas, basics, class catalysts and even champions. This game takes time and patience. The more you can play the faster you can move forward. That is with any game tho. Don't just ask for a gold relem because it fast and gives lots of gold when the game economy isn't made to gather resources that fast. Balance what you need and what's most important for your profile to farm. If it's gold or cats or arenas or story quests. People who have the time can farm all this at the same time and if you can't then pick what's important to your needs. The game is made so that it can be played 24/7 and some one will do that and they will get the most rewards out there. Some can't and they will get less rewards. That's just a fact and should be easy to see
  • shchong2shchong2 Member Posts: 2,419 ★★★★
    good info, but actually don't need to speak for others, good enough to speak for oneself :)
  • Xthea9Xthea9 Member Posts: 829 ★★
    @CoatHang3r and @GroundedWisdom

    The way you are seeing this game and putting your point of views, it’s purely biased. Where you have seen that Kabam or marvel mentioned “ work hard to get resources “ it’s a skill based online game. I request you to please don’t change the concept.

    Online games can offer you the options/opportunities, if anyone wants to excell in the game with pace can play for hours and be online all day 24x7. But this is not for everyone.

    Now if you say “ play 24x7 and you will have enough resources like gold, catalyst etc. and this is a balanced situation, and if we can get an official confirmation. Honestly not me but everyone will stop talking about gold or any other resources.

    In your heart everyone who is playing this game for long knows that when we started and where we are now, we have covered a long distance and the growth we have achieved it’s only because of the “hard work”. So respect others they all are your peers and friends.

    I don’t expect any communication from officials on this as they really know what is going on and I am sure they understand the needs of all the players, they take some time but eventually they will come up with some solutions.

    Stay positive guys , don’t lose your calm and be constructive as much as you can.

    The gold problem will be resolved soon. 🤑
  • ShrimkinsShrimkins Member Posts: 1,479 ★★★★
    I don't think anyone is denying that gold is widely available. The problem is the rate of accumulation has not changed and the cost to rank up champs has gone up x20.
  • Blax4everBlax4ever Member Posts: 683 ★★★
    Batman05 wrote: »
    The main reason people come and show how much gold they have and say gold is not an issue is because kabam has put a sufficient amount of gold in the game which is proof by the people with gold surplus. The real issue is not a gold shortage but diffrent people play at diffrent paces and thus there reward take home is at diffrent levels gold included. Everyone says they do not want a hand out but the true statement is you want more gold for less time playing. The other half see that statement as why should people get more rewards for doing less effort than me when effort will get you gold. And people saying gold is a bottle neck and shouldn't be are wrong. From diffrent times in the game every resource you have can and will be a bottle neck. Gold, alphas, basics, class catalysts and even champions. This game takes time and patience. The more you can play the faster you can move forward. That is with any game tho. Don't just ask for a gold relem because it fast and gives lots of gold when the game economy isn't made to gather resources that fast. Balance what you need and what's most important for your profile to farm. If it's gold or cats or arenas or story quests. People who have the time can farm all this at the same time and if you can't then pick what's important to your needs. The game is made so that it can be played 24/7 and some one will do that and they will get the most rewards out there. Some can't and they will get less rewards. That's just a fact and should be easy to see

    This is more BS, we’ve had two gold realms that were fantastic many players benefitted from them and along with their arena grinding have been able to stay gold secure as the cost in the game have steadily increased: As has been explained by a number of different players at different times in this thread, try reading it. So jumping on the forum to argue against future forums makes you hypocrite and guilty of pulling up the ladder after you’ve reached the top.

    The topic is about scaling gold to match the other awards and increased difficulty in the game. Read the thread.

  • RiegelRiegel Member Posts: 1,088 ★★★★
    Batman05 wrote: »
    The main reason people come and show how much gold they have and say gold is not an issue is because kabam has put a sufficient amount of gold in the game which is proof by the people with gold surplus. The real issue is not a gold shortage but diffrent people play at diffrent paces and thus there reward take home is at diffrent levels gold included. Everyone says they do not want a hand out but the true statement is you want more gold for less time playing. The other half see that statement as why should people get more rewards for doing less effort than me when effort will get you gold. And people saying gold is a bottle neck and shouldn't be are wrong. From diffrent times in the game every resource you have can and will be a bottle neck. Gold, alphas, basics, class catalysts and even champions. This game takes time and patience. The more you can play the faster you can move forward. That is with any game tho. Don't just ask for a gold relem because it fast and gives lots of gold when the game economy isn't made to gather resources that fast. Balance what you need and what's most important for your profile to farm. If it's gold or cats or arenas or story quests. People who have the time can farm all this at the same time and if you can't then pick what's important to your needs. The game is made so that it can be played 24/7 and some one will do that and they will get the most rewards out there. Some can't and they will get less rewards. That's just a fact and should be easy to see

    You are misunderstanding the issue. They made gold more needed, and made no new ways of obtaining gold. Since it is my topic I will say I never asked for a gold realm as the only solution, would I accept gold realm as a solution? Sure. There are many other ways to address gold. I would even accept a solution that is grindy like the arena. IDC at this point.

    I would like to see a new way of obtaining gold that is non-arena related. They are adding a new feature that will allow small groups to team up. I hope they add gold to this in a constructive way (not a crystal with a chance to award gold).
  • DrZolaDrZola Member Posts: 9,167 ★★★★★
    A few observations:

    (1) Arena is the lifeblood for gold--period. And by arena, I don't mean running a 400-match streak twice a week. Hit milestones for the basic, run 5*'s a few times in featured 5* and be done with it. Run T4b or alpha arena if you need them and you more than make up for the BCs required to enter. Let it ride for a week or two and then count the BCs you have. You won't have 97 million or even 10 million in gold, but over a handful of weeks you should find yourself in a much improved situation.

    (2) The need for gold has intensified with more gold-thirsty champs. I've experience this with a hefty roster of 5*'s to rank up. But--my zeal for ranking for the sake of ranking has dwindled to near nothing since I've realized how much gold I need. I've got a 4* awakened Medusa, Sabertooth, Taskmaster sitting at 1/10 because I have no intention of using them and don't need them. It's a waste of gold and resources for me to rank them for solo rewards I also don't need.

    (3) There should be more ways to obtain gold (other than arena and questing). It's not a lot to ask that one of the most essential items for rank-up should be obtainable via a quest or arena or something that runs periodically--most other resources are (T1a, T4b, T1/2/3c, etc.). And that's something that probably makes business sense for the game team--a significant aspect of enjoying the game is developing champions. Take my 4* TM for example: I would like to play more with him simply because he seems fun. But I'm not wasting any resources on him because I need them for 5*'s I value more. That goes beyond gold to include cats and ISO. But if I make the decision to run a quest and use energy for gold instead of cats or quest progression, that's a calculus I should be able to make.

    (4)More available gold really shouldn't unbalance the game. I get @CoatHang3r argument about making it easier to usurp the place that top tier AQ players have amassed over time and with huge amounts of effort. But I'm not sure how making more avenues to acquire gold available to all players would significantly impact that. At some point, roster development slows to a glacial pace no matter how much gold there is--there are only so many T5b and T2a a player can get now, and I'm pretty sure players like him aren't ranking up 2/3*'s anymore. Would it lessen the cost of AQ maps for some alliances? Sure, but the number of alliances able to mount a real challenge to top alliances--simply because of the ability to afford maps or rank a few champs a little more easily-- seems pretty small.

    Just my thoughts.

    Dr. Zola
  • CoatHang3rCoatHang3r Member Posts: 4,965 ★★★★★
    edited April 2018
    Riegel wrote: »
    Mmx1991 wrote: »
    That doesn't tell us much. How many hours you spend grinding a day? How much you spend a month if any?

    All that gold and ISO has to come from somewhere.

    He is a hardcore grinder. He is in an alliance that does low tier aq maps (edit I see he moved up to OMNI - IDK what AQ that do) . Basically he is able to continuously build gold as his expenses are low.
    Actually Omni runs 5x5 and i left a 6x2 before omni where i regularly double donated for trades. Again you have to pretend you know something or flat out lie in hopes to make a point for your failed arguments, you know nothing. I would like 6x6 but the fair play alliances (you know non piloting) where always just out of reach for my prestige so it wasnt by choice.
    Riegel wrote: »
    CoatHang3r wrote: »
    Making gold easier to get devalues the gold other players have rightfully earned over time and upsets the economynof the game. If this game wasnt a competition for rewards noone would have a problem with you having access to a gold cheat code. Most Socialists can’t comprehend this due to the blinders they wear.

    Why do you always bring up some real world bs about socialist, liberals, fake news, ignoring reality, or false narratives? This is a video game my friend. A game where balance changes need to happen. If you disagree with the changes that's fine, but you go way beyond disagreeing.
    Your question could be rephrased as why do you use real world examples and concepts? You’re kidding right? I’m not going to just make **** up like you do to support my arguments.

    Why do you continue to use BS, false narratives and ignore reality to support socialist ideals? Dunno where you got fake news and liberals from as they did not come from me, once again here you are lying and making it up to support a failed argument.
    Shrimkins wrote: »
    I don't think anyone is denying that gold is widely available. The problem is the rate of accumulation has not changed and the cost to rank up champs has gone up x20.
    Both false. gold has increased in every aspect of later stage gaming from free crystals, AQ, AW, EQs, Arena’s, etc. You’ve simply failed to notice or account for it.

    The cost to rank up champions remains the same and has not changed.

    How do you guys say such obviously false things as if they help illustrate your arguments.

    You seem to be trying to argue that more powerful champions should not require more effort or time, sorry it’s basic game design for the cost of power to increase as the game progresses.
  • Batman05Batman05 Member Posts: 351 ★★
    Blax4ever wrote: »
    Batman05 wrote: »
    The main reason people come and show how much gold they have and say gold is not an issue is because kabam has put a sufficient amount of gold in the game which is proof by the people with gold surplus. The real issue is not a gold shortage but diffrent people play at diffrent paces and thus there reward take home is at diffrent levels gold included. Everyone says they do not want a hand out but the true statement is you want more gold for less time playing. The other half see that statement as why should people get more rewards for doing less effort than me when effort will get you gold. And people saying gold is a bottle neck and shouldn't be are wrong. From diffrent times in the game every resource you have can and will be a bottle neck. Gold, alphas, basics, class catalysts and even champions. This game takes time and patience. The more you can play the faster you can move forward. That is with any game tho. Don't just ask for a gold relem because it fast and gives lots of gold when the game economy isn't made to gather resources that fast. Balance what you need and what's most important for your profile to farm. If it's gold or cats or arenas or story quests. People who have the time can farm all this at the same time and if you can't then pick what's important to your needs. The game is made so that it can be played 24/7 and some one will do that and they will get the most rewards out there. Some can't and they will get less rewards. That's just a fact and should be easy to see

    This is more BS, we’ve had two gold realms that were fantastic many players benefitted from them and along with their arena grinding have been able to stay gold secure as the cost in the game have steadily increased: As has been explained by a number of different players at different times in this thread, try reading it. So jumping on the forum to argue against future forums makes you hypocrite and guilty of pulling up the ladder after you’ve reached the top.

    The topic is about scaling gold to match the other awards and increased difficulty in the game. Read the thread.

    No I don't think I'm being hypocritical. I never did any gold realms as I've needed to and my energy was used to further my game in other areas.
    Riegel wrote: »
    Batman05 wrote: »
    The main reason people come and show how much gold they have and say gold is not an issue is because kabam has put a sufficient amount of gold in the game which is proof by the people with gold surplus. The real issue is not a gold shortage but diffrent people play at diffrent paces and thus there reward take home is at diffrent levels gold included. Everyone says they do not want a hand out but the true statement is you want more gold for less time playing. The other half see that statement as why should people get more rewards for doing less effort than me when effort will get you gold. And people saying gold is a bottle neck and shouldn't be are wrong. From diffrent times in the game every resource you have can and will be a bottle neck. Gold, alphas, basics, class catalysts and even champions. This game takes time and patience. The more you can play the faster you can move forward. That is with any game tho. Don't just ask for a gold relem because it fast and gives lots of gold when the game economy isn't made to gather resources that fast. Balance what you need and what's most important for your profile to farm. If it's gold or cats or arenas or story quests. People who have the time can farm all this at the same time and if you can't then pick what's important to your needs. The game is made so that it can be played 24/7 and some one will do that and they will get the most rewards out there. Some can't and they will get less rewards. That's just a fact and should be easy to see

    You are misunderstanding the issue. They made gold more needed, and made no new ways of obtaining gold. Since it is my topic I will say I never asked for a gold realm as the only solution, would I accept gold realm as a solution? Sure. There are many other ways to address gold. I would even accept a solution that is grindy like the arena. IDC at this point.

    I would like to see a new way of obtaining gold that is non-arena related. They are adding a new feature that will allow small groups to team up. I hope they add gold to this in a constructive way (not a crystal with a chance to award gold).

    This is also not true. They have added more ways to get gold but the cost to rank up champs has always been the same. There are more champs now than ever so yes you can spend more gold if you want but the cost has not inflated
  • abn86abn86 Member Posts: 107
    I definitely think gold is an issue - and it should have changed. If you've been around this game since the beginning (or shortly thereafter) you've definitely seen your access to other resources change, but gold has remained stagnant. That's the problem.

    When 12.0 came out, the game itself was basically reinvented. When 5.2 came out, uncollected became a thing, and these changes were rolled out, rewards got redesigned. Why has gold remain unchanged? And why, God WHY, do people continually post to keep things the same? I don't get it. I guess we don't need anything to EVER improve. Why bother, when we can just keep things the same? It's maddening.

    I don't have all the answers, but we should be encouraging them to improve the game. That's the key to it lasting - no? And I think that's what we all really agree on, if nothing else.

    In any case, I've been scratching my head for ways to increase gold without screwing up the balance in the game. I do like the idea of running a gold realm, but once a week is a bit much. Since they revamped Halls of Healing with a limited entry, perhaps that would work. Otherwise, I'd be okay with it running once a month - or even every two months.

    I think another way to increase gold production is to tie the changes into "uncollected" title. Uncollected gold crystal that replaces gold crystal drops, costs 30 units per, and low gold changes from 2.4k to something like 9 - 10k? Revamp the uncollected arena crystals also and change minimum payouts. It's kind of stupid that it's the same exact rate but with a slight chance to get 5* Punisher. Can't speak for anyone else, but I just open regular AC and not uncollected AC because it's not really worth it. I really grind arena for gold and units anyway, don't care about Punisher.
  • CoatHang3rCoatHang3r Member Posts: 4,965 ★★★★★
    Riegel wrote: »
    You are misunderstanding the issue. They made gold more needed, and made no new ways of obtaining gold. Since it is my topic I will say I never asked for a gold realm as the only solution, would I accept gold realm as a solution? Sure. There are many other ways to address gold. I would even accept a solution that is grindy like the arena. IDC at this point.
    You are misrepresenting the issue outlined in the OP. No you made gold more needed by choosing to run 6x5 then complained about it and claim to be a victim of some design flaw in the game. They have made a new way of obtaining gold, you get 33k 3 times a week from aw now. They have also increased your potential to earn good across the board. All if which you choose to ignore or belittle repeatedly. However your issue you outlined is that you want to run 6x5 for less effort, sorry 6 is designed to be that way.
  • ShrimkinsShrimkins Member Posts: 1,479 ★★★★
    CoatHang3r wrote: »
    Both false. gold has increased in every aspect of later stage gaming from free crystals, AQ, AW, EQs, Arena’s, etc. You’ve simply failed to notice or account for it.

    The cost to rank up champions remains the same and has not changed.

    How do you guys say such obviously false things as if they help illustrate your arguments.

    You seem to be trying to argue that more powerful champions should not require more effort or time, sorry it’s basic game design for the cost of power to increase as the game progresses.

    I know you're trolling but I'll bite.

    The gold returns from AQ, EQ, events and arenas has been exactly the same forever.
    You get 250ish gold per fight in heroic and about 400 per fight in uncollected. That difference may as well be immeasurable.

    In AQ the gold returns actually went down significantly with the advent of map 6.

    True there are more arenas now to participate in, but people have done the math. The 5* feature arena is almost useless to obtain gold since the gold costs per match are so high. Only the lower arenas (which have been around forever) give any decent amount of gold in return

    Gold in solo and alliance events have NEVER changed. Ever.

    The only mode they actually added more gold in was AW skirmish rewards, but even at it's most you get about 30k per war? That isn't even enough to level up a 6* two levels.

    Which brings me to increased cost for rank ups. I've been playing since before T2A were even available in the game. To suggest that it doesn't take more gold to rank up 5*s to r4 and r5 is simply disingenuous. In fact we know that the gold requirements to rank up a 5* are almost 4x higher than it is for a 4*.

    No one is saying we want everything for free, or everything as fast as 4*s, or even that we don't want to work to rank up champs. We are saying we want more meaningful avenues for gold accumulation than simply grinding arena 8 hours a day. Having to horde crystals, or let catalysts expire because of a gold shortage is simply insane.

    We are playing a game that demands 5* rank ups. The gold rewards have simply never been increased in any substantial amount since the advent of 5* champs taking over the contest. To suggest otherwise is simply either ignorance or ill will.

    I know which one I'm choosing for you.
  • Batman05Batman05 Member Posts: 351 ★★
    Shrimkins wrote: »
    CoatHang3r wrote: »
    Both false. gold has increased in every aspect of later stage gaming from free crystals, AQ, AW, EQs, Arena’s, etc. You’ve simply failed to notice or account for it.

    The cost to rank up champions remains the same and has not changed.

    How do you guys say such obviously false things as if they help illustrate your arguments.

    You seem to be trying to argue that more powerful champions should not require more effort or time, sorry it’s basic game design for the cost of power to increase as the game progresses.

    I know you're trolling but I'll bite.

    The gold returns from AQ, EQ, events and arenas has been exactly the same forever.
    You get 250ish gold per fight in heroic and about 400 per fight in uncollected. That difference may as well be immeasurable.

    In AQ the gold returns actually went down significantly with the advent of map 6.

    True there are more arenas now to participate in, but people have done the math. The 5* feature arena is almost useless to obtain gold since the gold costs per match are so high. Only the lower arenas (which have been around forever) give any decent amount of gold in return

    Gold in solo and alliance events have NEVER changed. Ever.

    The only mode they actually added more gold in was AW skirmish rewards, but even at it's most you get about 30k per war? That isn't even enough to level up a 6* two levels.

    Which brings me to increased cost for rank ups. I've been playing since before T2A were even available in the game. To suggest that it doesn't take more gold to rank up 5*s to r4 and r5 is simply disingenuous. In fact we know that the gold requirements to rank up a 5* are almost 4x higher than it is for a 4*.

    No one is saying we want everything for free, or everything as fast as 4*s, or even that we don't want to work to rank up champs. We are saying we want more meaningful avenues for gold accumulation than simply grinding arena 8 hours a day. Having to horde crystals, or let catalysts expire because of a gold shortage is simply insane.

    We are playing a game that demands 5* rank ups. The gold rewards have simply never been increased in any substantial amount since the advent of 5* champs taking over the contest. To suggest otherwise is simply either ignorance or ill will.

    I know which one I'm choosing for you.

    No the gold has not been the same because the gold return from aq wasn't there the gold return from aw wasn't there. And you can't stand behind your statement of gold returns don't matter in aq because map 6 when the team has said map six doesn't return gold as a price you have to pay for the extra points awarded. Yes there are more arenas. We only had the three star and four star now you have the three star four star and basic and two star and a five star so that's lots of gold saving avenues you can explore. You laugh at aw gold but it adds up. The fact you expect more gold that is a sign you do want gold as a hand out and in huge numbers. The game doesn't demand five star rank up that's you. It really demands a balance of four and five. But there is still enough gold to be earned to rank up as many five stars as I could and I still wouldn't be out of gold
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