ÆGON: Fixed Combo Shield to be a true Buff ?

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  • MikeHockMikeHock Posts: 1,596 ★★★★
    edited November 2019

    My biggest concern is the ability for champs to nullify it now. Seeing as he benefits from taking hits while in combo shield mode to build furies if that can be nullified mid combo it’s going to be messy and clearly a change to his mechanics. No different than she-hulk had her mechanics changed.

    To be fair, that strategy involves him getting hit to activate fury buffs. If you try doing that against a heavy nullify/stagger champ, I think your combo shield will be the least of your worries.
    With a combo of 300+ , Ægon gains a Fury buff when he lands a crit.
  • addisonbassistaddisonbassist Posts: 588 ★★★
    if this means what I think it means, this would be a HUGE change to the basic game abilities of the champ AND the synergies.

    All I can say is that if that’s what they’re doing, it’s not going to be good... the backlash will be insane.
  • addisonbassistaddisonbassist Posts: 588 ★★★
    Am I blind or has the true buff line now been removed from the original post?


  • UmbertoDelRioUmbertoDelRio Posts: 3,809 ★★★★★
    edited November 2019
    MikeHock said:

    My biggest concern is the ability for champs to nullify it now. Seeing as he benefits from taking hits while in combo shield mode to build furies if that can be nullified mid combo it’s going to be messy and clearly a change to his mechanics. No different than she-hulk had her mechanics changed.

    To be fair, that strategy involves him getting hit to activate fury buffs. If you try doing that against a heavy nullify/stagger champ, I think your combo shield will be the least of your worries.
    With a combo of 300+ , Ægon gains a Fury buff when he lands a crit.
    That as well. He can get a lot of buffs overall, so I can't really tell how big the difference would be exactly.
  • IsItthoughIsItthough Posts: 253 ★★

    My biggest concern is the ability for champs to nullify it now. Seeing as he benefits from taking hits while in combo shield mode to build furies if that can be nullified mid combo it’s going to be messy and clearly a change to his mechanics. No different than she-hulk had her mechanics changed.

    To be fair, that strategy involves him getting hit to activate fury buffs. If you try doing that against a heavy nullify/stagger champ, I think your combo shield will be the least of your worries.
    Not really as long as the shield stays up I can only lose 5percent that’s why it’s great!
  • addisonbassistaddisonbassist Posts: 588 ★★★
    edited November 2019
    edit: nevermind.

    Hoping what Mike says is true and I’ll keep my mouth shut until I see for myself.
  • Fantastic. Is inequity next in line to be fixed now?
  • Doomsfist79Doomsfist79 Posts: 546 ★★★

    Hey everybody,

    Looks like we've caused a little confusion with the way that our fix for Ægon's Combo Shield was worded.

    Right now, it reads "ÆGON: Fixed Combo Shield to be a true Buff which can now be interacted with.", but what it should have said is "ÆGON: Fixed the Combo Shield from Heavy Charge to work properly when stolen (ex. Loki)".

    His Combo Shield has always been a Buff, both for the ones received from the Combo Meter, and from charging a Heavy, but under the hood, it was acting in a way that didn't work properly when stolen, such as by Loki. We've now fixed that, so all in all, there should be no visible/noticeable change to note, unless you're fighting/using Loki.

    Also, to touch on the confusion caused by "Passive Abilities". Passive Abilities do not necessarily mean that the results are Passive Effects, just that this is an always active ability. The Combo Shield is a Buff generated by a Passive Ability.

    We hope this clears things up, and are sorry for the confusion that was caused.

    Aegon has a synergy with the hood?
  • IsItthoughIsItthough Posts: 253 ★★
    @Kabam Miike thanks for jumping in and help clear that up. Does that mean that his combo shield has always been able to be nullified and trigger spite nodes as an active buff. Could just be something I’ve never noticed.
  • IsItthoughIsItthough Posts: 253 ★★
    @DNA3000 that’s spot on the terminology is so confusing and the way they use it suggest multiple things. For abilities such as Aegon where he we always get “passive” effect could be easily switched to the inherent ability will trigger XYZ. Passive will always make people think it can be changed as that’s the way some champs abilities read.
  • PushPush Posts: 19


    His Combo Shield has always been a Buff, both for the ones received from the Combo Meter, and from charging a Heavy, but under the hood, it was acting in a way that didn't work properly when stolen, such as by Loki. We've now fixed that, so all in all, there should be no visible/noticeable change to note, unless you're fighting/using Loki.

    Aegon has a synergy with the hood?

    It's a turn of phrase referencing a car engine is "under the hood" similar to "behind the scenes".
  • AlCapone2727AlCapone2727 Posts: 410 ★★

    @Kabam Miike care to share the teams thoughts? Clearly a big change and one that was left out of the original patch notes. Whether intentional or not this needs some clarification as to why and what we should expect.

    Kabam this is YOUR champion. Your official comic book character. And you want to go against your own design? Bad move, bad sense of character
  • Combo "Breakers" synergy is definitely still "broken"
  • Jcobra25Jcobra25 Posts: 65

    Hey everybody,

    Looks like we've caused a little confusion with the way that our fix for Ægon's Combo Shield was worded.

    Right now, it reads "ÆGON: Fixed Combo Shield to be a true Buff which can now be interacted with.", but what it should have said is "ÆGON: Fixed the Combo Shield from Heavy Charge to work properly when stolen (ex. Loki)".

    His Combo Shield has always been a Buff, both for the ones received from the Combo Meter, and from charging a Heavy, but under the hood, it was acting in a way that didn't work properly when stolen, such as by Loki. We've now fixed that, so all in all, there should be no visible/noticeable change to note, unless you're fighting/using Loki.

    Also, to touch on the confusion caused by "Passive Abilities". Passive Abilities do not necessarily mean that the results are Passive Effects, just that this is an always active ability. The Combo Shield is a Buff generated by a Passive Ability.

    We hope this clears things up, and are sorry for the confusion that was caused.

    Whoa, whoa, whoa, hold on there bud.
    WHATADAYAMEAN????

    Does that mean that his combo shield can be nullified, trigger spite, EMP, and all of the other fun, and interactive stuff that "buffs" trigger against certain nodes?

    If so, I would think that we need a little more than just an "I'm sorry, we messed up the description of this champ abilities(again)"

    Please do clarify
  • I'm confused his description clearly states Passive-combo meter abilities. Aegon unlocks additional passive abilities as his combo meter increases.

    Should this not mean the combo shield itself is passive and not able to be nullified? In addition does that also mean his furies etc should NOT be able to be nullified? Are there currently passive abilities in game which are able to be nullified?
  • Hey everybody,

    Looks like we've caused a little confusion with the way that our fix for Ægon's Combo Shield was worded.

    Right now, it reads "ÆGON: Fixed Combo Shield to be a true Buff which can now be interacted with.", but what it should have said is "ÆGON: Fixed the Combo Shield from Heavy Charge to work properly when stolen (ex. Loki)".

    His Combo Shield has always been a Buff, both for the ones received from the Combo Meter, and from charging a Heavy, but under the hood, it was acting in a way that didn't work properly when stolen, such as by Loki. We've now fixed that, so all in all, there should be no visible/noticeable change to note, unless you're fighting/using Loki.

    Also, to touch on the confusion caused by "Passive Abilities". Passive Abilities do not necessarily mean that the results are Passive Effects, just that this is an always active ability. The Combo Shield is a Buff generated by a Passive Ability.

    We hope this clears things up, and are sorry for the confusion that was caused.

    Does this mean the synergies are fixed? His said buff hasn’t been kicking in making the Proxima synergy useless
  • ChampioncriticChampioncritic Posts: 2,650 ★★★★
    I still see "circle effect with white rim" as a buff/debuff that can be nullified/stolen/etc, and i see "circle effect with no white rim" as a passive effect that cannot be nullified/stolen/etc. As long as the above observations are consistent with what kabam considers buff/debuffs/passive there is no confusion here.
  • mgj0630mgj0630 Posts: 151
    edited November 2019
    I'm not an Ægon user at the moment cause I haven't been fortunate enough to pull him as a 5*, but I'm following this closely since he's the champ I want most that continues to elude me.

    The "fix" or "change" isn't live yet. It's in 25.1, which I at least don't have available to download yet.

    Is anyone able to take some time to check the current state in 25.0, screenshots and/or video, then compare that behavior after 25.1?

    That would be the easiest way to track if they truly changed something, or merely fixed something.
  • Bugmat78Bugmat78 Posts: 230 ★★
    No sense in checking now - his synergy is bugged. Plenty of video out there of Aegon before all these bugs to compare to. I hope his kit isn't changed (apart from Loki now being some kind of combo-shield counter :neutral: ) or my max sig 4/55 will be staying at rank 4 ...
  • mdsubmdsub Posts: 153
    The synergy with Starlord is still broken.
  • Rougeknight87Rougeknight87 Posts: 590 ★★★
    So a “buff” can now be activated passively? My head hurts. Making stuff up on the run again
  • UmbertoDelRioUmbertoDelRio Posts: 3,809 ★★★★★
    Miike gave such a good explanation on what is happening and people still misunderstand it to a degree that almost seems willfully ignorant.

    The note was only referring to aegons combo shield buff, which he can activate through his heavy attack, not his combo shield passive, which he activates through a syngery. The former has always been a buff, but seemingly didn't function properly. The latter is not part of the equation here.

    As to changing him or demanding anything for that change, that's just silly and speaks words about how lackluster you must have read through this thread, if at all.

    It's all fine, nothing is changing for him, unless you want to heavy-combo-shield through lokis sp1, which... Why would you...?
  • UmbertoDelRioUmbertoDelRio Posts: 3,809 ★★★★★

    Miike gave such a good explanation on what is happening and people still misunderstand it to a degree that almost seems willfully ignorant.

    The note was only referring to aegons combo shield buff, which he can activate through his heavy attack, not his combo shield passive, which he activates through a syngery. The former has always been a buff, but seemingly didn't function properly. The latter is not part of the equation here.

    As to changing him or demanding anything for that change, that's just silly and speaks words about how lackluster you must have read through this thread, if at all.

    It's all fine, nothing is changing for him, unless you want to heavy-combo-shield through lokis sp1, which... Why would you...?

    To clarify: even without loki properly interacting with aegons combo shield buff and therefore not stealing it, he still would have stolen your furies, making the action of heavy-combo-shielding through his sp1 not only pointless, but even detrimental, both now and after the fix.
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