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  • Jridenhour_3Jridenhour_3 Member Posts: 348 ★★
    -sixate- said:



    -sixate- said:

    DL864 said:

    DL864 said:

    AvolA1987 said:

    They should. Please wonder why they are "higher" alliances..maybe, just maybe.. because all the individual players have higher ratings? Play more, play longer and invested more (in whatever kind of way)?

    I can turn this around: do you think its fair that people who have done LESS effort into progress should have the SAME rewards as ones who done MORE? You obviously don't understand the physics of a game.

    You should get rewards based on skill not what roster you bought or how much you play. And if a lower alliance is beating everyone at there level it’s just like a higher alliance beating alliances of same rating. They deserve good rewards.
    Wrong. Lower alliance is not facing anything like higher ones in difficulty. So you basically you want content tune to your roster and get the same rewards as someone with a much better roster who has to face much harder content that's basically what you're saying
    Based on rosters yes they are. Because a lower tier might be easier for your roster someone else’s roster it may feel just as difficult as what you fight with your roster. I’m gonna end it with what I said before. Some of you guys think just because you bought a good roster or live on the game deserve better rewards then a ftp or a person with a life whether your good or not but expect lower alliances to be all super skilled to get rewards you don’t deserve.
    You are so self entitled you don't want to play the game and work hard at it you don't want to spend on it but you want the same rewards as people who do. That happens nowhere in the world in competitive Sports or the work force.
    I’m the entitled one lol.The guys that think they deserve good rewards when they can’t beat alliances at there own leve. Give me an f’n break I could care less. I think it’s just funny. All these high alliance people all excited bc they get to beat up on low alliances an get good rewards they don’t have the skill to earn by beating same rated alliances.
    They aren't excited to beat up on smaller alliances. They're excited to get out of the tar they've been stuck in for 10 seasons with no chance of movement. Meanwhile small alliances have been shooting past them without having to face a hard war. If you can't beat the majority of alliances in your tier you shouldn't be there.
    If they won there wars they wouldn’t have been stuck in same tier. Sounds like they just weren’t very skilled and couldn’t beat evenly matched opponents
    So you're ok with an 8m alliance climbing the war rankings to plat 4 when a 40m alliance gets stuck in G2 facing the same 5 or 6 alliances because of prestige and they keep beating each up because they're so evenly matched. Meanwhile, that 8m alliance with 5k prestige gets wars against similar alliances and keeps winning, climbing in tier, raising their point totals to be higher than a 40m alliance that they couldn't beat if their lives depended on it. Just the fact that you can't understand that shows your ignorance and selfishness.

    Should that same 8m alliance get better AQ rewards than the same 40m alliance they unfairly passed in war rating if they both run map 7 with master modifiers all 5 days too?
    Yes because they have proven they are way more skilled then the other alliances there rating an earned good rewards
  • Jridenhour_3Jridenhour_3 Member Posts: 348 ★★
    edited July 2020

    Gmonkey said:


    You should get rewards based on skill not what roster you bought or how much you play. And if a lower alliance is beating everyone at there level it’s just like a higher alliance beating alliances of same rating. They deserve good rewards.

    You obviously have not done act 6 and most modes in the game it is progression based. You cannot whether act 6 with 4 stars. You are also gated on roster in 6.2 and need extremely specific counters for 6.3 and 6.4.

    Watch the following explains it well.

    https://youtu.be/tnJvOcgTnvA
    I’m sitting at 6.3 currently so I’ve made a run thru 6.1 an 6.2
    Act 6 is far more roster dependent than war. If what you said is true, I have no idea what you're complaining about
    It’s true no reason to lie about it. I have a decent roster. R5 duped doom domino NF r5 Corvus r2 6sunspot an a lot of top champs r4 in my roster. JPR3 if you don’t believe me is one account I have.
    You've got a 20M alliance rating with 9k prestige that placed in Silver 3 last season. What is it you're complaining about again?
    The top half of my alliance didn’t play AW last season an I’m not complaining I just have a problem with the guys on here who think they deserve better rewards for having a bigger roster without necessarily having any skill. We not even doing AW this season either unless people just wanna join 1 bg
  • Genesis1_0_1_Genesis1_0_1_ Member Posts: 25
    Jorx said:


    You got to be kidding kabam, is unfair the war between my alliance and one of 41 million
    You have to fix that

    Same problem with us as well mate
    They have to fix that ASAP
  • Jridenhour_3Jridenhour_3 Member Posts: 348 ★★
    No I know exactly wht



    Aleor said:

    It’s comical reading these threads. All these guys in high alliances thinking they’ve been getting screwed just because they couldn’t beat opponents equal to them. So now there happy they get to beat up lower opponents to get better rewards. Everyone should be fighting alliances at there same level. Just because you can’t beat the people at your level doesn’t mean lower alliances should be punished for it.

    If you belive that those are equal based on rating and prestige, then all alliances should've be first placed in different tiers based on rating and prestige, and then only move up and down within that tier. Then those 10kk alliances would've never be above silver 2 probably. So yes, all those guys were screwed for a very long time.
    If you're using 3* or 4* in aw, you should not be getting plat rewards
    Just because your in a higher rated alliance and higher prestige doesn’t mean your better then someone in a lower one. You can buy rating an prestige. I play incursions with people in way higher alliances an better prestige then me and they die all the time before me. Like I said basically all you higher rated guys just glad you get to fight lower rated alliance because you suck to bad to beat alliances equal too you.
    What is your alliance tier? I’d love to see where you stand saying higher rated guys suck. @Jridenhour_3 also love to see how much of the game you’ve completed that’s big talk
    Already gave my game Id out that says I’m cavelier jpr3 an already said ran in tier 4 before we quit AW. And I didn’t say all did. I’m just saying some do.
  • Panchulon21Panchulon21 Member Posts: 2,605 ★★★★★
    Seemed like you did.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,560 ★★★★★
    Speeds80 said:

    It didn’t work, the issues aren’t from the lockings, or the shells, those are different problems , the locking and shells didnt bring about the fundamental flaw of the old system, personally I suspect the previous system could have been changed, the closest prestige within a tier could have been a better system, but I guess that would have made repeat matchups crazy common. ignoring tiers and rankings because prestige was paramount was the problem. But you know what ...war rating only matchup was never really an issue, it was working great, a strong spending small alliance would go on a run and catch a big alliance who were relaxed at war or may have just had a member take a break or just had a rebuild and lost a few. Wars. Causing the weak team to freak out at the matchup and take photos and cause the concern that brought about the prestige system, thing is if you go on a run it is fair that you have to fight stronger alliances, going on a run but never having to face a stronger alliance was exactly the problem. Glad to see you actually have admitted this system will be fair in the long run. Whether or not there could have been a better rollout is the only thing debateable here, I haven’t seen a perfect solution suggested yet, and I’m not particularly bothered, I feel sorry for the weak teams with tough matchups right now, but my sense of justice finally being achieved for my alliance after 8 very rocky seasons and losing a lot of good alliance friends over the broken system. overrides that, normally I’m all for the underdog, but these underdogS have been gifted 8 seasons of Much easier rewards for effort than I have, and tbh rewards their level of the game don’t particularly need ie 6* shards for 3* alliances

    I said I suggested it to stop people from manipulating War Ratings before they locked them. I didn't say I thought it was a perfect system. As I said, it probably should have been tapered off once they did that. Also, all Ratings should have been locked, and there wouldn't have been the need to do it. I've said many times, as long as off-season can affect Seasons, it will be manipulated somehow.
  • PrEeThAmPrEeThAm Member Posts: 2
    New matchmaking system disappointed huge number of summoners a lot ...we 10 mil ally matched with a 22 mil ally ...which resulted in definite loss of our war.....wars should be competitive but not one sided ....hope u will look into it and serve justice for all people
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,560 ★★★★★
    That's where we disagree. Whether the system was using Prestige or not, it didn't cost people anything. They're not owed their Bracket placements. They earn them. It's based on Points. You earn more Points for more consecutive Wins.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,560 ★★★★★

    You just don't get byes anymore anytime you'd match someone "stronger" than you. Want that higher multiplier, go take that spot from another alliance that's actually in that tier

    That argument is invalid because the argument I was just making was that people were missing out on Rewards. They couldn't do that with people actually in that Tier. Not enough to go up. Meanwhile people with lower Champs were, and that's what we call bitterness.
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,560 ★★★★★
    They WERE fighting people that were actually in that Tier. Quite fairly.
  • SawgatSawgat Member Posts: 4
    This time expectations to have a better experience with War turned out to be a completely opposite experience, we are a gold 2 alliance with an alliance rating of 14.5 mil and prestige of around 6500. Where the 2 opponents we got so far this season are 33 mil, 10k prestige and 21.6 mil 8.5k prestige alliances. On the first war our prestige and rating was even lower 6.2k and 13.8 mil respectively. If such matches made in hell keep on happening just based on war eating alone then I don’t see any scope to enjoy the game alongside old teammates and enjoying the rewards we deserve for the amount of hard efforts we put in.

    I must urge the hardworking personnel at Kabam to look into this issue ASAP, to make this matchmaking actually resemble the word before up and coming alliance like ours loose the interest in wars completely.


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  • CaptainGameCaptainGame Member Posts: 369 ★★★

    You just don't get byes anymore anytime you'd match someone "stronger" than you. Want that higher multiplier, go take that spot from another alliance that's actually in that tier

    That argument is invalid because the argument I was just making was that people were missing out on Rewards. They couldn't do that with people actually in that Tier. Not enough to go up. Meanwhile people with lower Champs were, and that's what we call bitterness.
    Yet not competing against the actual better teams in those spots. Now that you are, you can’t compete. And you’re bitter and lashing out on here.
  • anirbanchangderanirbanchangder Member Posts: 2

    This alliance season isn't going as well as it should be and as we summoners had thought, our alliance is facing some such allies which have same war rating but a hell and heaven difference in alliance rating and alliance prestige.
    I would like to draw the developers' attention and ask for some changes real soon or the average hardworking players aren't gonna have fun anymore in war matchmaking.
  • SeraphionSeraphion Member Posts: 1,496 ★★★★

    We’re wasting our time discussing the old matchmaking system vs new matchmaking system. Anyone who is objective and has common sense knows that the old matchmaking system was extremely unfair. Obviously these lower rated alliances didn’t deserve more 5 and 6 star shards than the higher rated alliances who would totally obliterate them in a head to head matchup (much like we’re witnessing now).

    What we need to be discussing is compensation like Corby11 and SuniDarur mentioned. Think about all the seasons of alliances being shafted with the old system. There are so many alliances who would have placed in platinum, and not gold had the system been fair this whole time. Instead the platinum rewards (so many 5 and 6 star shards) were given to many low rated alliances who had no business being in platinum or maybe even gold 1.

    Should there be compensation for these alliances? If so, how should that compensation be handled.

    Corby11 said:

    The more I think about it the more I feel that alliances like mine - who were robbed of a higher placing in AW because of the grossly unfair system of having everyone share the same prize pool without having the potential to face every opponent of the same AW rank and fighting in the same map tiers - should given compensation. It’s cost some of us thousands of 6* shards finishing Gold 1 when without this handicap we should have been Platinum. This should never have happened in the first place, if kabam had wanted to group alliances by prestige they should have separated the reward tiers in the same manner. This rebalancing of AW is well over due.


    Totally agree with @Corby11. Kabam needs to compensate all the alliances who were impacted due to this system.
    I have 1 crazy idea how we could do that.

    X 2 the rewards everyone will get this season. Except for Masters (maybe give them x 1,5 bc x 2 would prob be too crazy)

    All the alliances that got shafted would get a nice amount of extra shards bc they auto go higher than before.

    The lower ones get a little bit compensated that they have to face unwinnable wars (even tho they dont deserve it, it would make them be quiet)

    I mean its just an idea. Not that I expect kabam to do that :D
  • SawgatSawgat Member Posts: 4
    Yup, we are facing the same issue ! It’s not that hard to make decent matches among alliances to fight. Simply do a weighted average of alliance war rating, prestige and overall alliance rating. That way alliances which are similar to each other regarding just one variable but different in all others shouldn’t be facing each other. Or the war rating can be avoided completely, pit Alliances with similar prestige and alliance ratings with similar number of members/participants, war rating will then be just an indicator of good fair competition.
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