The current, new, or old matchmaking does not work. Please suspend the war season and spend the resources to fix it. Went back a few years reading posts and watching YouTube videos on the subject. All the above point to the same problem FIX the issue.
I'm tired of Sports analogies. Periodt. They earned what they earned through the system they were playing. That was the final result. They played the Wars they were Matched fairly, and they went up. That's as simple as it gets. This whole, "They didn't earn what they earned because they didn't have the Wars they didn't have.", is just a bitter double-negative, and ignorant to the progress that was made legitimately.
“Legitimately” through a shady, fixed matchmaking. And yes, they played the wars they matched. With a HUGE difference: they weren’t matched fairly.
Legitimately. Not through shady anything. They didn't cheat the system. They played their Wars and won. You don't get Ranked based on the Matches you don't get.
They got the rank based off wars fought at a lower difficulty that gave a higher multiplier than alliances who played a harder difficulty got.
There is no argument that 7k alliance fights are the same difficulty as 10k alliance fights. That’s why AQ gets harder and your points go up as your prestige increases.
Using your rationalization, everyone should get the same rewards in AQ since we all finish the maps. We can call them grounded wisdom crystals.
You spin it and get a champ that dexes when you want to charge a heavy, then when you think you have it figured out and charge heavy to dex, it does a medium and eats a combo. It’s completely irrational and unusable, but we should all get one because we played.
I want my participation trophy too !
I'm not getting into that whole debate again. I've already gone over the even Matches perspective, and how you can't speak for what is easy for others and what isn't based on what's easy for you and what isn't. The Matches were appropriate to what either side was using, with the same Nodes and modifications. No matter how many times people keep judging the Matches of weaker Alliances, I'm not going to forget calculating that perspective, so we might as well move on.
I'm tired of Sports analogies. Periodt. They earned what they earned through the system they were playing. That was the final result. They played the Wars they were Matched fairly, and they went up. That's as simple as it gets. This whole, "They didn't earn what they earned because they didn't have the Wars they didn't have.", is just a bitter double-negative, and ignorant to the progress that was made legitimately.
“Legitimately” through a shady, fixed matchmaking. And yes, they played the wars they matched. With a HUGE difference: they weren’t matched fairly.
Legitimately. Not through shady anything. They didn't cheat the system. They played their Wars and won. You don't get Ranked based on the Matches you don't get.
I agree, nobody cheated the system. But the fact that you can't admit the matchmaking was not fair for everyone is mind blowing to me. Seriously, do you think an 8m alliance with 5k prestige should be able to hit P1? How can you expect to get past 45m alliances with 11k prestige withought ever having the possibility of facing them? Yet it was happening. Not to the fault of the 5m alliance. At the fault of horrible matchmaking by Kabam.
Can you admit that matchmaking will eventually balance out and be fair for everyone, and isn't that what everyone wants anyway? What is the problem with that? Unfortunately, after 10 plus seasons of bad matchmaking this can't be corrected overnight.
The Matchmaking wasn't the problem. The Rewards were.
Wrong again.
Not at all. The whole argument was that lower Allies were getting higher Rewards.
Kinda curious but by your logic act 4 should have the same rewards as act 6 according to you
Not at all. I said the argument was the Rewards, but people keep shifting their argument. The Matchmaking, no the Rewards, no the fact that they didn't earn what they did, no the Prestige, no..... What it all really boils down to is some lower Alliances earned their way up because the Matches were different, and now people want to watch them suffer.
Well logically they should suffer,18 mil alliances are placing in G1/P4 because they are fighting other lower level alliances rather than some 36 million alliances who are struggling in G2/3 because they match up with other 36 million rated alliances. This is not fair these lower level alliances should not be getting the rewards they are and they only are because matchmaking has been broken for the past 10 seasons, matchmaking this season is much more fair and logical.
This is the same thing that happened with No Name, they were placing in Masters because they were fighting P2/3 alliances, which is not fair at all, same to how these lower level alliances are getting much better rewards than some higher Prestige / rated alliances due to the broken matchmaking, now they made matchmaking much better and logical.
Can someone explain how the war rating system takes care of entire alliances shifting to new alliances? We are currently facing what I think is a shell alliance or it could be one of the alliances affected due to previous matchmaking though I have some doubts. War rating is close, so I am not complaining about that. But, this just seems ripe for tanking and shells.
Just stop, people. You know what the OP is talking about.
Yes and we also know you guys are wrong. That matchup is fair. Whats unfair is that his alliance of under 5M rating reached gold 2 the previous season.
I'm tired of Sports analogies. Periodt. They earned what they earned through the system they were playing. That was the final result. They played the Wars they were Matched fairly, and they went up. That's as simple as it gets. This whole, "They didn't earn what they earned because they didn't have the Wars they didn't have.", is just a bitter double-negative, and ignorant to the progress that was made legitimately.
“Legitimately” through a shady, fixed matchmaking. And yes, they played the wars they matched. With a HUGE difference: they weren’t matched fairly.
Legitimately. Not through shady anything. They didn't cheat the system. They played their Wars and won. You don't get Ranked based on the Matches you don't get.
They got the rank based off wars fought at a lower difficulty that gave a higher multiplier than alliances who played a harder difficulty got.
There is no argument that 7k alliance fights are the same difficulty as 10k alliance fights. That’s why AQ gets harder and your points go up as your prestige increases.
Using your rationalization, everyone should get the same rewards in AQ since we all finish the maps. We can call them grounded wisdom crystals.
You spin it and get a champ that dexes when you want to charge a heavy, then when you think you have it figured out and charge heavy to dex, it does a medium and eats a combo. It’s completely irrational and unusable, but we should all get one because we played.
I want my participation trophy too !
I'm not getting into that whole debate again. I've already gone over the even Matches perspective, and how you can't speak for what is easy for others and what isn't based on what's easy for you and what isn't. The Matches were appropriate to what either side was using, with the same Nodes and modifications. No matter how many times people keep judging the Matches of weaker Alliances, I'm not going to forget calculating that perspective, so we might as well move on.
I'm tired of Sports analogies. Periodt. They earned what they earned through the system they were playing. That was the final result. They played the Wars they were Matched fairly, and they went up. That's as simple as it gets. This whole, "They didn't earn what they earned because they didn't have the Wars they didn't have.", is just a bitter double-negative, and ignorant to the progress that was made legitimately.
“Legitimately” through a shady, fixed matchmaking. And yes, they played the wars they matched. With a HUGE difference: they weren’t matched fairly.
Legitimately. Not through shady anything. They didn't cheat the system. They played their Wars and won. You don't get Ranked based on the Matches you don't get.
I agree, nobody cheated the system. But the fact that you can't admit the matchmaking was not fair for everyone is mind blowing to me. Seriously, do you think an 8m alliance with 5k prestige should be able to hit P1? How can you expect to get past 45m alliances with 11k prestige withought ever having the possibility of facing them? Yet it was happening. Not to the fault of the 5m alliance. At the fault of horrible matchmaking by Kabam.
Can you admit that matchmaking will eventually balance out and be fair for everyone, and isn't that what everyone wants anyway? What is the problem with that? Unfortunately, after 10 plus seasons of bad matchmaking this can't be corrected overnight.
The Matchmaking wasn't the problem. The Rewards were.
Wrong again.
Not at all. The whole argument was that lower Allies were getting higher Rewards.
Kinda curious but by your logic act 4 should have the same rewards as act 6 according to you
Not at all. I said the argument was the Rewards, but people keep shifting their argument. The Matchmaking, no the Rewards, no the fact that they didn't earn what they did, no the Prestige, no..... What it all really boils down to is some lower Alliances earned their way up because the Matches were different, and now people want to watch them suffer.
First of all, you can say what's easier for certain lower tier alliances based on the level of champs th at they own vs the ones they face.
Second of all, alliances should earn the places with 'different' matchups. If your going to be in a bracket, you should be able to hold your ground against people in the same bracket. If you can't, your alliance doesn't need to be there.
That's what it's all about. Territorial ownership of the Brackets. That's not a competition. That's a monopoly.
Alright imma start a new account with 3* as the top of the account and then complain about territorial ownership of brackets I could win 12/12 wars if agains even opponents give me my 6* shards and t5cc except that’s not how it should work if you want the big rewards your gonna to have to tough it out with bigger allies plain and simple you’re just trolling at this point a 4 year old could understand this with the amount we’ve explained it to you I’ll say if one more time If your ally can’t beat other allies in it’s own tiers then it doesn’t deserve to be there they’ve reached their limit as an alliance While I’ll understand they wont have a good season this time around they’ve also gotten the benefit of 10 seasons of higher rewards so it seems like they got a bigger benefit in this case
"wont have a good season"......you mean setting them up to forfeit their Season by being placed in Matches they'll never win? Kind of like calling The Grand Canyon a ditch.
I'm tired of Sports analogies. Periodt. They earned what they earned through the system they were playing. That was the final result. They played the Wars they were Matched fairly, and they went up. That's as simple as it gets. This whole, "They didn't earn what they earned because they didn't have the Wars they didn't have.", is just a bitter double-negative, and ignorant to the progress that was made legitimately.
“Legitimately” through a shady, fixed matchmaking. And yes, they played the wars they matched. With a HUGE difference: they weren’t matched fairly.
Legitimately. Not through shady anything. They didn't cheat the system. They played their Wars and won. You don't get Ranked based on the Matches you don't get.
They got the rank based off wars fought at a lower difficulty that gave a higher multiplier than alliances who played a harder difficulty got.
There is no argument that 7k alliance fights are the same difficulty as 10k alliance fights. That’s why AQ gets harder and your points go up as your prestige increases.
Using your rationalization, everyone should get the same rewards in AQ since we all finish the maps. We can call them grounded wisdom crystals.
You spin it and get a champ that dexes when you want to charge a heavy, then when you think you have it figured out and charge heavy to dex, it does a medium and eats a combo. It’s completely irrational and unusable, but we should all get one because we played.
I want my participation trophy too !
I'm not getting into that whole debate again. I've already gone over the even Matches perspective, and how you can't speak for what is easy for others and what isn't based on what's easy for you and what isn't. The Matches were appropriate to what either side was using, with the same Nodes and modifications. No matter how many times people keep judging the Matches of weaker Alliances, I'm not going to forget calculating that perspective, so we might as well move on.
I'm tired of Sports analogies. Periodt. They earned what they earned through the system they were playing. That was the final result. They played the Wars they were Matched fairly, and they went up. That's as simple as it gets. This whole, "They didn't earn what they earned because they didn't have the Wars they didn't have.", is just a bitter double-negative, and ignorant to the progress that was made legitimately.
“Legitimately” through a shady, fixed matchmaking. And yes, they played the wars they matched. With a HUGE difference: they weren’t matched fairly.
Legitimately. Not through shady anything. They didn't cheat the system. They played their Wars and won. You don't get Ranked based on the Matches you don't get.
I agree, nobody cheated the system. But the fact that you can't admit the matchmaking was not fair for everyone is mind blowing to me. Seriously, do you think an 8m alliance with 5k prestige should be able to hit P1? How can you expect to get past 45m alliances with 11k prestige withought ever having the possibility of facing them? Yet it was happening. Not to the fault of the 5m alliance. At the fault of horrible matchmaking by Kabam.
Can you admit that matchmaking will eventually balance out and be fair for everyone, and isn't that what everyone wants anyway? What is the problem with that? Unfortunately, after 10 plus seasons of bad matchmaking this can't be corrected overnight.
The Matchmaking wasn't the problem. The Rewards were.
Wrong again.
Not at all. The whole argument was that lower Allies were getting higher Rewards.
Kinda curious but by your logic act 4 should have the same rewards as act 6 according to you
Not at all. I said the argument was the Rewards, but people keep shifting their argument. The Matchmaking, no the Rewards, no the fact that they didn't earn what they did, no the Prestige, no..... What it all really boils down to is some lower Alliances earned their way up because the Matches were different, and now people want to watch them suffer.
First of all, you can say what's easier for certain lower tier alliances based on the level of champs th at they own vs the ones they face.
Second of all, alliances should earn the places with 'different' matchups. If your going to be in a bracket, you should be able to hold your ground against people in the same bracket. If you can't, your alliance doesn't need to be there.
That's what it's all about. Territorial ownership of the Brackets. That's not a competition. That's a monopoly.
Alright imma start a new account with 3* as the top of the account and then complain about territorial ownership of brackets I could win 12/12 wars if agains even opponents give me my 6* shards and t5cc except that’s not how it should work if you want the big rewards your gonna to have to tough it out with bigger allies plain and simple you’re just trolling at this point a 4 year old could understand this with the amount we’ve explained it to you I’ll say if one more time If your ally can’t beat other allies in it’s own tiers then it doesn’t deserve to be there they’ve reached their limit as an alliance While I’ll understand they wont have a good season this time around they’ve also gotten the benefit of 10 seasons of higher rewards so it seems like they got a bigger benefit in this case
"wont have a good season"......you mean setting them up to forfeit their Season by being placed in Matches they'll never win? Kind of like calling The Grand Canyon a ditch.
They Shouldn't even be in that bracket in the first place, they only got to gold 2 because they fought small similar 12 alliances, not the 30 mil alliance stuck in S1/G3 because of the unfair matchmaking. These smaller allies have been getting rewards they don't deserve. I am thankful Kabam actually fixed matchmaking.
Can someone explain how the war rating system takes care of entire alliances shifting to new alliances? We are currently facing what I think is a shell alliance or it could be one of the alliances affected due to previous matchmaking though I have some doubts. War rating is close, so I am not complaining about that. But, this just seems ripe for tanking and shells.
Shell alliances is one thing I've said from the beginning cannot be solved by the current system, and I have yet to see how Kabam plans to address it. There definitely needs to be a system in place to prevent it imo.
We are by no means weak(9.9k prestige with 32 mill rating), but these guys have placed 5 of things, Dr.dooms, dominoes with stubborn tactic. I even saw a Wolverine weapon x. I did not expect to come across them in P4-G1 brackets. Just feels very unfair. I have advised my alliance to rush to boss and take the loss to the chin. I don't understand why these higher tier alliances need to resort to these sort of things to win rewards.
I'm tired of Sports analogies. Periodt. They earned what they earned through the system they were playing. That was the final result. They played the Wars they were Matched fairly, and they went up. That's as simple as it gets. This whole, "They didn't earn what they earned because they didn't have the Wars they didn't have.", is just a bitter double-negative, and ignorant to the progress that was made legitimately.
“Legitimately” through a shady, fixed matchmaking. And yes, they played the wars they matched. With a HUGE difference: they weren’t matched fairly.
Legitimately. Not through shady anything. They didn't cheat the system. They played their Wars and won. You don't get Ranked based on the Matches you don't get.
They got the rank based off wars fought at a lower difficulty that gave a higher multiplier than alliances who played a harder difficulty got.
There is no argument that 7k alliance fights are the same difficulty as 10k alliance fights. That’s why AQ gets harder and your points go up as your prestige increases.
Using your rationalization, everyone should get the same rewards in AQ since we all finish the maps. We can call them grounded wisdom crystals.
You spin it and get a champ that dexes when you want to charge a heavy, then when you think you have it figured out and charge heavy to dex, it does a medium and eats a combo. It’s completely irrational and unusable, but we should all get one because we played.
I want my participation trophy too !
I'm not getting into that whole debate again. I've already gone over the even Matches perspective, and how you can't speak for what is easy for others and what isn't based on what's easy for you and what isn't. The Matches were appropriate to what either side was using, with the same Nodes and modifications. No matter how many times people keep judging the Matches of weaker Alliances, I'm not going to forget calculating that perspective, so we might as well move on.
I'm tired of Sports analogies. Periodt. They earned what they earned through the system they were playing. That was the final result. They played the Wars they were Matched fairly, and they went up. That's as simple as it gets. This whole, "They didn't earn what they earned because they didn't have the Wars they didn't have.", is just a bitter double-negative, and ignorant to the progress that was made legitimately.
“Legitimately” through a shady, fixed matchmaking. And yes, they played the wars they matched. With a HUGE difference: they weren’t matched fairly.
Legitimately. Not through shady anything. They didn't cheat the system. They played their Wars and won. You don't get Ranked based on the Matches you don't get.
I agree, nobody cheated the system. But the fact that you can't admit the matchmaking was not fair for everyone is mind blowing to me. Seriously, do you think an 8m alliance with 5k prestige should be able to hit P1? How can you expect to get past 45m alliances with 11k prestige withought ever having the possibility of facing them? Yet it was happening. Not to the fault of the 5m alliance. At the fault of horrible matchmaking by Kabam.
Can you admit that matchmaking will eventually balance out and be fair for everyone, and isn't that what everyone wants anyway? What is the problem with that? Unfortunately, after 10 plus seasons of bad matchmaking this can't be corrected overnight.
The Matchmaking wasn't the problem. The Rewards were.
Wrong again.
Not at all. The whole argument was that lower Allies were getting higher Rewards.
Kinda curious but by your logic act 4 should have the same rewards as act 6 according to you
Not at all. I said the argument was the Rewards, but people keep shifting their argument. The Matchmaking, no the Rewards, no the fact that they didn't earn what they did, no the Prestige, no..... What it all really boils down to is some lower Alliances earned their way up because the Matches were different, and now people want to watch them suffer.
First of all, you can say what's easier for certain lower tier alliances based on the level of champs th at they own vs the ones they face.
Second of all, alliances should earn the places with 'different' matchups. If your going to be in a bracket, you should be able to hold your ground against people in the same bracket. If you can't, your alliance doesn't need to be there.
That's what it's all about. Territorial ownership of the Brackets. That's not a competition. That's a monopoly.
Alright imma start a new account with 3* as the top of the account and then complain about territorial ownership of brackets I could win 12/12 wars if agains even opponents give me my 6* shards and t5cc except that’s not how it should work if you want the big rewards your gonna to have to tough it out with bigger allies plain and simple you’re just trolling at this point a 4 year old could understand this with the amount we’ve explained it to you I’ll say if one more time If your ally can’t beat other allies in it’s own tiers then it doesn’t deserve to be there they’ve reached their limit as an alliance While I’ll understand they wont have a good season this time around they’ve also gotten the benefit of 10 seasons of higher rewards so it seems like they got a bigger benefit in this case
"wont have a good season"......you mean setting them up to forfeit their Season by being placed in Matches they'll never win? Kind of like calling The Grand Canyon a ditch.
I'm tired of Sports analogies. Periodt. They earned what they earned through the system they were playing. That was the final result. They played the Wars they were Matched fairly, and they went up. That's as simple as it gets. This whole, "They didn't earn what they earned because they didn't have the Wars they didn't have.", is just a bitter double-negative, and ignorant to the progress that was made legitimately.
“Legitimately” through a shady, fixed matchmaking. And yes, they played the wars they matched. With a HUGE difference: they weren’t matched fairly.
Legitimately. Not through shady anything. They didn't cheat the system. They played their Wars and won. You don't get Ranked based on the Matches you don't get.
They got the rank based off wars fought at a lower difficulty that gave a higher multiplier than alliances who played a harder difficulty got.
There is no argument that 7k alliance fights are the same difficulty as 10k alliance fights. That’s why AQ gets harder and your points go up as your prestige increases.
Using your rationalization, everyone should get the same rewards in AQ since we all finish the maps. We can call them grounded wisdom crystals.
You spin it and get a champ that dexes when you want to charge a heavy, then when you think you have it figured out and charge heavy to dex, it does a medium and eats a combo. It’s completely irrational and unusable, but we should all get one because we played.
I want my participation trophy too !
I'm not getting into that whole debate again. I've already gone over the even Matches perspective, and how you can't speak for what is easy for others and what isn't based on what's easy for you and what isn't. The Matches were appropriate to what either side was using, with the same Nodes and modifications. No matter how many times people keep judging the Matches of weaker Alliances, I'm not going to forget calculating that perspective, so we might as well move on.
I'm tired of Sports analogies. Periodt. They earned what they earned through the system they were playing. That was the final result. They played the Wars they were Matched fairly, and they went up. That's as simple as it gets. This whole, "They didn't earn what they earned because they didn't have the Wars they didn't have.", is just a bitter double-negative, and ignorant to the progress that was made legitimately.
“Legitimately” through a shady, fixed matchmaking. And yes, they played the wars they matched. With a HUGE difference: they weren’t matched fairly.
Legitimately. Not through shady anything. They didn't cheat the system. They played their Wars and won. You don't get Ranked based on the Matches you don't get.
I agree, nobody cheated the system. But the fact that you can't admit the matchmaking was not fair for everyone is mind blowing to me. Seriously, do you think an 8m alliance with 5k prestige should be able to hit P1? How can you expect to get past 45m alliances with 11k prestige withought ever having the possibility of facing them? Yet it was happening. Not to the fault of the 5m alliance. At the fault of horrible matchmaking by Kabam.
Can you admit that matchmaking will eventually balance out and be fair for everyone, and isn't that what everyone wants anyway? What is the problem with that? Unfortunately, after 10 plus seasons of bad matchmaking this can't be corrected overnight.
The Matchmaking wasn't the problem. The Rewards were.
Wrong again.
Not at all. The whole argument was that lower Allies were getting higher Rewards.
Kinda curious but by your logic act 4 should have the same rewards as act 6 according to you
Not at all. I said the argument was the Rewards, but people keep shifting their argument. The Matchmaking, no the Rewards, no the fact that they didn't earn what they did, no the Prestige, no..... What it all really boils down to is some lower Alliances earned their way up because the Matches were different, and now people want to watch them suffer.
First of all, you can say what's easier for certain lower tier alliances based on the level of champs th at they own vs the ones they face.
Second of all, alliances should earn the places with 'different' matchups. If your going to be in a bracket, you should be able to hold your ground against people in the same bracket. If you can't, your alliance doesn't need to be there.
That's what it's all about. Territorial ownership of the Brackets. That's not a competition. That's a monopoly.
Alright imma start a new account with 3* as the top of the account and then complain about territorial ownership of brackets I could win 12/12 wars if agains even opponents give me my 6* shards and t5cc except that’s not how it should work if you want the big rewards your gonna to have to tough it out with bigger allies plain and simple you’re just trolling at this point a 4 year old could understand this with the amount we’ve explained it to you I’ll say if one more time If your ally can’t beat other allies in it’s own tiers then it doesn’t deserve to be there they’ve reached their limit as an alliance While I’ll understand they wont have a good season this time around they’ve also gotten the benefit of 10 seasons of higher rewards so it seems like they got a bigger benefit in this case
"wont have a good season"......you mean setting them up to forfeit their Season by being placed in Matches they'll never win? Kind of like calling The Grand Canyon a ditch.
Ok. Then forfeit.
You keep saying I'm talking about myself. Maybe it'll come true.
I'm tired of Sports analogies. Periodt. They earned what they earned through the system they were playing. That was the final result. They played the Wars they were Matched fairly, and they went up. That's as simple as it gets. This whole, "They didn't earn what they earned because they didn't have the Wars they didn't have.", is just a bitter double-negative, and ignorant to the progress that was made legitimately.
“Legitimately” through a shady, fixed matchmaking. And yes, they played the wars they matched. With a HUGE difference: they weren’t matched fairly.
Legitimately. Not through shady anything. They didn't cheat the system. They played their Wars and won. You don't get Ranked based on the Matches you don't get.
They got the rank based off wars fought at a lower difficulty that gave a higher multiplier than alliances who played a harder difficulty got.
There is no argument that 7k alliance fights are the same difficulty as 10k alliance fights. That’s why AQ gets harder and your points go up as your prestige increases.
Using your rationalization, everyone should get the same rewards in AQ since we all finish the maps. We can call them grounded wisdom crystals.
You spin it and get a champ that dexes when you want to charge a heavy, then when you think you have it figured out and charge heavy to dex, it does a medium and eats a combo. It’s completely irrational and unusable, but we should all get one because we played.
I want my participation trophy too !
I'm not getting into that whole debate again. I've already gone over the even Matches perspective, and how you can't speak for what is easy for others and what isn't based on what's easy for you and what isn't. The Matches were appropriate to what either side was using, with the same Nodes and modifications. No matter how many times people keep judging the Matches of weaker Alliances, I'm not going to forget calculating that perspective, so we might as well move on.
I'm tired of Sports analogies. Periodt. They earned what they earned through the system they were playing. That was the final result. They played the Wars they were Matched fairly, and they went up. That's as simple as it gets. This whole, "They didn't earn what they earned because they didn't have the Wars they didn't have.", is just a bitter double-negative, and ignorant to the progress that was made legitimately.
“Legitimately” through a shady, fixed matchmaking. And yes, they played the wars they matched. With a HUGE difference: they weren’t matched fairly.
Legitimately. Not through shady anything. They didn't cheat the system. They played their Wars and won. You don't get Ranked based on the Matches you don't get.
I agree, nobody cheated the system. But the fact that you can't admit the matchmaking was not fair for everyone is mind blowing to me. Seriously, do you think an 8m alliance with 5k prestige should be able to hit P1? How can you expect to get past 45m alliances with 11k prestige withought ever having the possibility of facing them? Yet it was happening. Not to the fault of the 5m alliance. At the fault of horrible matchmaking by Kabam.
Can you admit that matchmaking will eventually balance out and be fair for everyone, and isn't that what everyone wants anyway? What is the problem with that? Unfortunately, after 10 plus seasons of bad matchmaking this can't be corrected overnight.
The Matchmaking wasn't the problem. The Rewards were.
Wrong again.
Not at all. The whole argument was that lower Allies were getting higher Rewards.
Kinda curious but by your logic act 4 should have the same rewards as act 6 according to you
Not at all. I said the argument was the Rewards, but people keep shifting their argument. The Matchmaking, no the Rewards, no the fact that they didn't earn what they did, no the Prestige, no..... What it all really boils down to is some lower Alliances earned their way up because the Matches were different, and now people want to watch them suffer.
First of all, you can say what's easier for certain lower tier alliances based on the level of champs th at they own vs the ones they face.
Second of all, alliances should earn the places with 'different' matchups. If your going to be in a bracket, you should be able to hold your ground against people in the same bracket. If you can't, your alliance doesn't need to be there.
That's what it's all about. Territorial ownership of the Brackets. That's not a competition. That's a monopoly.
Alright imma start a new account with 3* as the top of the account and then complain about territorial ownership of brackets I could win 12/12 wars if agains even opponents give me my 6* shards and t5cc except that’s not how it should work if you want the big rewards your gonna to have to tough it out with bigger allies plain and simple you’re just trolling at this point a 4 year old could understand this with the amount we’ve explained it to you I’ll say if one more time If your ally can’t beat other allies in it’s own tiers then it doesn’t deserve to be there they’ve reached their limit as an alliance While I’ll understand they wont have a good season this time around they’ve also gotten the benefit of 10 seasons of higher rewards so it seems like they got a bigger benefit in this case
"wont have a good season"......you mean setting them up to forfeit their Season by being placed in Matches they'll never win? Kind of like calling The Grand Canyon a ditch.
They Shouldn't even be in that bracket in the first place, they only got to gold 2 because they fought small similar 12 alliances, not the 30 mil alliance stuck in S1/G3 because of the unfair matchmaking. These smaller allies have been getting rewards they don't deserve. I am thankful Kabam actually fixed matchmaking.
Who says who deserves what? Please let me know so I can ask them what our efforts are worth. Must be quite daunting to weigh everyone's work. I can't imagine they have time to focus on their own Season.
Can someone explain how the war rating system takes care of entire alliances shifting to new alliances? We are currently facing what I think is a shell alliance or it could be one of the alliances affected due to previous matchmaking though I have some doubts. War rating is close, so I am not complaining about that. But, this just seems ripe for tanking and shells.
Shell alliances is one thing I've said from the beginning cannot be solved by the current system, and I have yet to see how Kabam plans to address it. There definitely needs to be a system in place to prevent it imo.
We are by no means weak(9.9k prestige with 32 mill rating), but these guys have placed 5 of things, Dr.dooms, dominoes with stubborn tactic. I even saw a Wolverine weapon x. I did not expect to come across them in P4-G1 brackets. Just feels very unfair. I have advised my alliance to rush to boss and take the loss to the chin. I don't understand why these higher tier alliances need to resort to these sort of things to win rewards.
Everyone places their best defense. It's not like anyone knows who they're going to face. Imagine having to face a defense like that for S1 rewards. That is the reality of bigger alliances due to horrible matchmaking over 10+ seasons. Meanwhile 10m alliances with R5 attackers were facing garbage defenses vs 4* and mostly R3 5*. Yet some people think the defenses they are facing compare to what a 40m alliance can place. Lol!
I'm tired of Sports analogies. Periodt. They earned what they earned through the system they were playing. That was the final result. They played the Wars they were Matched fairly, and they went up. That's as simple as it gets. This whole, "They didn't earn what they earned because they didn't have the Wars they didn't have.", is just a bitter double-negative, and ignorant to the progress that was made legitimately.
“Legitimately” through a shady, fixed matchmaking. And yes, they played the wars they matched. With a HUGE difference: they weren’t matched fairly.
Legitimately. Not through shady anything. They didn't cheat the system. They played their Wars and won. You don't get Ranked based on the Matches you don't get.
They got the rank based off wars fought at a lower difficulty that gave a higher multiplier than alliances who played a harder difficulty got.
There is no argument that 7k alliance fights are the same difficulty as 10k alliance fights. That’s why AQ gets harder and your points go up as your prestige increases.
Using your rationalization, everyone should get the same rewards in AQ since we all finish the maps. We can call them grounded wisdom crystals.
You spin it and get a champ that dexes when you want to charge a heavy, then when you think you have it figured out and charge heavy to dex, it does a medium and eats a combo. It’s completely irrational and unusable, but we should all get one because we played.
I want my participation trophy too !
I'm not getting into that whole debate again. I've already gone over the even Matches perspective, and how you can't speak for what is easy for others and what isn't based on what's easy for you and what isn't. The Matches were appropriate to what either side was using, with the same Nodes and modifications. No matter how many times people keep judging the Matches of weaker Alliances, I'm not going to forget calculating that perspective, so we might as well move on.
I'm tired of Sports analogies. Periodt. They earned what they earned through the system they were playing. That was the final result. They played the Wars they were Matched fairly, and they went up. That's as simple as it gets. This whole, "They didn't earn what they earned because they didn't have the Wars they didn't have.", is just a bitter double-negative, and ignorant to the progress that was made legitimately.
“Legitimately” through a shady, fixed matchmaking. And yes, they played the wars they matched. With a HUGE difference: they weren’t matched fairly.
Legitimately. Not through shady anything. They didn't cheat the system. They played their Wars and won. You don't get Ranked based on the Matches you don't get.
I agree, nobody cheated the system. But the fact that you can't admit the matchmaking was not fair for everyone is mind blowing to me. Seriously, do you think an 8m alliance with 5k prestige should be able to hit P1? How can you expect to get past 45m alliances with 11k prestige withought ever having the possibility of facing them? Yet it was happening. Not to the fault of the 5m alliance. At the fault of horrible matchmaking by Kabam.
Can you admit that matchmaking will eventually balance out and be fair for everyone, and isn't that what everyone wants anyway? What is the problem with that? Unfortunately, after 10 plus seasons of bad matchmaking this can't be corrected overnight.
The Matchmaking wasn't the problem. The Rewards were.
Wrong again.
Not at all. The whole argument was that lower Allies were getting higher Rewards.
Kinda curious but by your logic act 4 should have the same rewards as act 6 according to you
Not at all. I said the argument was the Rewards, but people keep shifting their argument. The Matchmaking, no the Rewards, no the fact that they didn't earn what they did, no the Prestige, no..... What it all really boils down to is some lower Alliances earned their way up because the Matches were different, and now people want to watch them suffer.
First of all, you can say what's easier for certain lower tier alliances based on the level of champs th at they own vs the ones they face.
Second of all, alliances should earn the places with 'different' matchups. If your going to be in a bracket, you should be able to hold your ground against people in the same bracket. If you can't, your alliance doesn't need to be there.
That's what it's all about. Territorial ownership of the Brackets. That's not a competition. That's a monopoly.
Alright imma start a new account with 3* as the top of the account and then complain about territorial ownership of brackets I could win 12/12 wars if agains even opponents give me my 6* shards and t5cc except that’s not how it should work if you want the big rewards your gonna to have to tough it out with bigger allies plain and simple you’re just trolling at this point a 4 year old could understand this with the amount we’ve explained it to you I’ll say if one more time If your ally can’t beat other allies in it’s own tiers then it doesn’t deserve to be there they’ve reached their limit as an alliance While I’ll understand they wont have a good season this time around they’ve also gotten the benefit of 10 seasons of higher rewards so it seems like they got a bigger benefit in this case
"wont have a good season"......you mean setting them up to forfeit their Season by being placed in Matches they'll never win? Kind of like calling The Grand Canyon a ditch.
Ok. Then forfeit.
You keep saying I'm talking about myself. Maybe it'll come true.
I'm tired of Sports analogies. Periodt. They earned what they earned through the system they were playing. That was the final result. They played the Wars they were Matched fairly, and they went up. That's as simple as it gets. This whole, "They didn't earn what they earned because they didn't have the Wars they didn't have.", is just a bitter double-negative, and ignorant to the progress that was made legitimately.
“Legitimately” through a shady, fixed matchmaking. And yes, they played the wars they matched. With a HUGE difference: they weren’t matched fairly.
Legitimately. Not through shady anything. They didn't cheat the system. They played their Wars and won. You don't get Ranked based on the Matches you don't get.
They got the rank based off wars fought at a lower difficulty that gave a higher multiplier than alliances who played a harder difficulty got.
There is no argument that 7k alliance fights are the same difficulty as 10k alliance fights. That’s why AQ gets harder and your points go up as your prestige increases.
Using your rationalization, everyone should get the same rewards in AQ since we all finish the maps. We can call them grounded wisdom crystals.
You spin it and get a champ that dexes when you want to charge a heavy, then when you think you have it figured out and charge heavy to dex, it does a medium and eats a combo. It’s completely irrational and unusable, but we should all get one because we played.
I want my participation trophy too !
I'm not getting into that whole debate again. I've already gone over the even Matches perspective, and how you can't speak for what is easy for others and what isn't based on what's easy for you and what isn't. The Matches were appropriate to what either side was using, with the same Nodes and modifications. No matter how many times people keep judging the Matches of weaker Alliances, I'm not going to forget calculating that perspective, so we might as well move on.
I'm tired of Sports analogies. Periodt. They earned what they earned through the system they were playing. That was the final result. They played the Wars they were Matched fairly, and they went up. That's as simple as it gets. This whole, "They didn't earn what they earned because they didn't have the Wars they didn't have.", is just a bitter double-negative, and ignorant to the progress that was made legitimately.
“Legitimately” through a shady, fixed matchmaking. And yes, they played the wars they matched. With a HUGE difference: they weren’t matched fairly.
Legitimately. Not through shady anything. They didn't cheat the system. They played their Wars and won. You don't get Ranked based on the Matches you don't get.
I agree, nobody cheated the system. But the fact that you can't admit the matchmaking was not fair for everyone is mind blowing to me. Seriously, do you think an 8m alliance with 5k prestige should be able to hit P1? How can you expect to get past 45m alliances with 11k prestige withought ever having the possibility of facing them? Yet it was happening. Not to the fault of the 5m alliance. At the fault of horrible matchmaking by Kabam.
Can you admit that matchmaking will eventually balance out and be fair for everyone, and isn't that what everyone wants anyway? What is the problem with that? Unfortunately, after 10 plus seasons of bad matchmaking this can't be corrected overnight.
The Matchmaking wasn't the problem. The Rewards were.
Wrong again.
Not at all. The whole argument was that lower Allies were getting higher Rewards.
Kinda curious but by your logic act 4 should have the same rewards as act 6 according to you
Not at all. I said the argument was the Rewards, but people keep shifting their argument. The Matchmaking, no the Rewards, no the fact that they didn't earn what they did, no the Prestige, no..... What it all really boils down to is some lower Alliances earned their way up because the Matches were different, and now people want to watch them suffer.
First of all, you can say what's easier for certain lower tier alliances based on the level of champs th at they own vs the ones they face.
Second of all, alliances should earn the places with 'different' matchups. If your going to be in a bracket, you should be able to hold your ground against people in the same bracket. If you can't, your alliance doesn't need to be there.
That's what it's all about. Territorial ownership of the Brackets. That's not a competition. That's a monopoly.
Alright imma start a new account with 3* as the top of the account and then complain about territorial ownership of brackets I could win 12/12 wars if agains even opponents give me my 6* shards and t5cc except that’s not how it should work if you want the big rewards your gonna to have to tough it out with bigger allies plain and simple you’re just trolling at this point a 4 year old could understand this with the amount we’ve explained it to you I’ll say if one more time If your ally can’t beat other allies in it’s own tiers then it doesn’t deserve to be there they’ve reached their limit as an alliance While I’ll understand they wont have a good season this time around they’ve also gotten the benefit of 10 seasons of higher rewards so it seems like they got a bigger benefit in this case
"wont have a good season"......you mean setting them up to forfeit their Season by being placed in Matches they'll never win? Kind of like calling The Grand Canyon a ditch.
They Shouldn't even be in that bracket in the first place, they only got to gold 2 because they fought small similar 12 alliances, not the 30 mil alliance stuck in S1/G3 because of the unfair matchmaking. These smaller allies have been getting rewards they don't deserve. I am thankful Kabam actually fixed matchmaking.
Who says who deserves what? Please let me know so I can ask them what our efforts are worth. Must be quite daunting to weigh everyone's work. I can't imagine they have time to focus on their own Season.
Well do you think it is fair that 12 mil rated alliances are getting G2 rewards, while 30+mil rated alliances are getting S1 rewards that makes no sense at all, for the same reason NoName was getting master level rewards for fighting P2/P3 rewards you think thats fair? War matchmaking is actually fixed for the first time in 10 seasons.
We need to stop pretending that a 5k prestige alliance carries on average the same level of skill as a 9-10k prestige alliance.
Stop pretending that because they were winning against other 5k prestige alliances that it’s the same as a 10k prestige alliance beating a 10k prestige alliances. It’s not the same. I’ve seen it myself. The skill and organization is not the same and achievement is easier.
If we can’t accept this fact then the arguments here are lost.
People need to accept where they truly are from a skill and ranking standpoint in the scheme of the contest. Sorry you were misled. Sorry you thought you were better and more skilled then you were. Sorry you got used to rewards that are above your current grade and not calibrated to where you actually are.
Solution though is to Go out there clear Act V 100%, get cavalier, complete Act 6, explore all variants, explore act 6, complete/explore abyss. There is more access than ever to 5* in game. Do the time and grind content to have the skill and roster to compete again in a more appropriate tier system.
This period sucks for some and is pulling of the band aid. Hopefully it settles quickly but instead of trying to go backwards or endlessly fighting about how the old system was somehow fair because you benefited, clear content, get stronger, get better, then compete again.
Can someone explain how the war rating system takes care of entire alliances shifting to new alliances? We are currently facing what I think is a shell alliance or it could be one of the alliances affected due to previous matchmaking though I have some doubts. War rating is close, so I am not complaining about that. But, this just seems ripe for tanking and shells.
Shell alliances is one thing I've said from the beginning cannot be solved by the current system, and I have yet to see how Kabam plans to address it. There definitely needs to be a system in place to prevent it imo.
We are by no means weak(9.9k prestige with 32 mill rating), but these guys have placed 5 of things, Dr.dooms, dominoes with stubborn tactic. I even saw a Wolverine weapon x. I did not expect to come across them in P4-G1 brackets. Just feels very unfair. I have advised my alliance to rush to boss and take the loss to the chin. I don't understand why these higher tier alliances need to resort to these sort of things to win rewards.
Everyone places their best defense. It's not like anyone knows who they're going to face. Imagine having to face a defense like that for S1 rewards. That is the reality of bigger alliances due to horrible matchmaking over 10+ seasons. Meanwhile 10m alliances with R5 attackers were facing garbage defenses vs 4* and mostly R3 5*. Yet some people think the defenses they are facing compare to what a 40m alliance can place. Lol!
I don't want to get into the other argument because frankly, I think it is not worth arguing on either side. I have my views and I am not going to force them on others. Better to focus on what can be done to prevent this uneven match ups once the rating "settles down" as many have called here.
I didn't benefit AT ALL. The topic is about how it was "necessary" to do this, and it was absolutely not necessary. It was wanted. Only, it came at the expense of many people who keep posting and getting trolled that "Matches are fair. War Ratings are similar.". It's not just some unfortunate but necessary transition phase. It's ruining their Season efforts and rendering the final results inaccurate because they have no chance of winning these Wars. Saying they just want better Rewards for less work is just ignorant. Their argument isn't for the Rewards. It's the grossly unfair Matches. I'm speaking to their issue because I knew it was going to happen, and I'm not just going to pretend that they don't matter.
I didn't benefit AT ALL. The topic is about how it was "necessary" to do this, and it was absolutely not necessary. It was wanted. Only, it came at the expense of many people who keep posting and getting trolled that "Matches are fair. War Ratings are similar.". It's not just some unfortunate but necessary transition phase. It's ruining their Season efforts and rendering the final results inaccurate because they have no chance of winning these Wars. Saying they just want better Rewards for less work is just ignorant. Their argument isn't for the Rewards. It's the grossly unfair Matches. I'm speaking to their issue because I knew it was going to happen, and I'm not just going to pretend that they don't matter.
It is fair, it lets the 30 mil alliance escape being trapped in S1/G3 due to the unfair matchmaking in the prior 10 seasons. Now kabam have fixed matchmaking and they are able to go to where they actually belong P1/P4, you are still not addressing the fact that these lower level alliances were getting G1 rewards for a minimal effort by fighting other low level alliances, instead of fighting these 30+mil alliances that would crush them but couldn't due to the old matchmaking. similar to how NoName placed masters by fighting P2/3 alliances tell me how that was fair?
I didn't benefit AT ALL. The topic is about how it was "necessary" to do this, and it was absolutely not necessary. It was wanted. Only, it came at the expense of many people who keep posting and getting trolled that "Matches are fair. War Ratings are similar.". It's not just some unfortunate but necessary transition phase. It's ruining their Season efforts and rendering the final results inaccurate because they have no chance of winning these Wars. Saying they just want better Rewards for less work is just ignorant. Their argument isn't for the Rewards. It's the grossly unfair Matches. I'm speaking to their issue because I knew it was going to happen, and I'm not just going to pretend that they don't matter.
I think it was wanted by the high tier alliances and it was also necessary to some extent because it was screwing over some of the alliances. But, the way they went about it was too abrupt. Too many changes, the maps, the matchmaking, the defense tactics, rewards increase only in the top tiers.The maps and defense tactics should have been kept for one more season. They could have done what was suggested here with regards to prestige or alliance rating and used that as a metric, it would have resulted in uneven matches, but we are not going for a perfect system here. What's done is done and we need to figure out how to refine the system, not argue over who is more right at this point.
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This is the same thing that happened with No Name, they were placing in Masters because they were fighting P2/3 alliances, which is not fair at all, same to how these lower level alliances are getting much better rewards than some higher Prestige / rated alliances due to the broken matchmaking, now they made matchmaking much better and logical.
We need to stop pretending that a 5k prestige alliance carries on average the same level of skill as a 9-10k prestige alliance.
Stop pretending that because they were winning against other 5k prestige alliances that it’s the same as a 10k prestige alliance beating a 10k prestige alliances. It’s not the same. I’ve seen it myself. The skill and organization is not the same and achievement is easier.
If we can’t accept this fact then the arguments here are lost.
People need to accept where they truly are from a skill and ranking standpoint in the scheme of the contest. Sorry you were misled. Sorry you thought you were better and more skilled then you were. Sorry you got used to rewards that are above your current grade and not calibrated to where you actually are.
Solution though is to Go out there clear Act V 100%, get cavalier, complete Act 6, explore all variants, explore act 6, complete/explore abyss. There is more access than ever to 5* in game. Do the time and grind content to have the skill and roster to compete again in a more appropriate tier system.
This period sucks for some and is pulling of the band aid. Hopefully it settles quickly but instead of trying to go backwards or endlessly fighting about how the old system was somehow fair because you benefited, clear content, get stronger, get better, then compete again.
It's not just some unfortunate but necessary transition phase. It's ruining their Season efforts and rendering the final results inaccurate because they have no chance of winning these Wars. Saying they just want better Rewards for less work is just ignorant. Their argument isn't for the Rewards. It's the grossly unfair Matches. I'm speaking to their issue because I knew it was going to happen, and I'm not just going to pretend that they don't matter.