Changes to Guardian

I purchased a large number of crystals based on Guardians synergy ability.

This is not what i "purchased" if it is changed!

Comments

Crcrcrc

You could just add what corvus has, where her block proficiency cannot be changed by synergies like how corvus’s crit rate cannot be changed

Seraphion

We thought it was safer to make a change to the Synergy since Guardian is newer, and we would rather not make a change to Domino, a long-standing Champion that is pretty sought after. However, it seems like you all disagree with that.

We do have another idea that I would like to float by you guys that will leave the Synergy unchanged, and leaves Domino basically unchanged, but does mean that this interaction will no longer happen.

Right now, her abilities take into account outside sources of Block Proficiency, but we would change it so that it does not. The new ability would read: "A Block with (X) Block Proficiency from Domino’s Abilities results in a Perfect Block, reducing incoming attack damage to zero and granting 10% maximum Power instantly."

Basically, the Perfect Block has to come from her own abilities. Thoughts on that?

This sounds very good 👍🏻
Keep in mind that domino has +800 Block Pro from that mastery almost everywhere.

So not that you nerf Domino with that

SummonerNR

Seems to me that she would have always needed to have the BlockProf. Mastery, in addition to being “Lucky”, in order to get that Perfect Block (unless other Synergies like Cage/IronFist would in past be able to make up for not having Mastery or being in Unlucky state ?).
And then would come down to “how much” of that potential bonus BlockProf in her ability triggered each time as to whether it exceeded that certain level needed to be P.B.
And that while “Unlucky” she would have never been able to reach that P.B.

So, wouldn’t it be simpler to just specify a FLAT PERCENTAGE chance at Perfect Block in just her LUCKY section (instead of adding up all the +/- to BlockProf and specifying a certain level it needs to be).

And in Unlucky, it just wouldn’t mention anything about P.B. because the BlockProf amount would never be sufficient in Unlucky anyways.

The extra BlockProf specified for her in general, and the +/- in Lucky/Unlucky could still be specified in order for calculating damage. But the PerfectBlock chance would just be a separate chance roll (and only if she is currently Lucky).

Stagedear85

@Kabam Miike thanks for giving us a platform to voice our opinion on this change however I think its fine how it is to be honest I understand how this can make domino a lil OP but how is she more OP than Ghost or Quake with synergies I personally feel that she's ok and should be left alone unless you're going to be changing the synergies for those other champs in the game also the "god tiers" I've use the synergy with Domino and due to node restrictions you can't use her in most of act 6 even with the synergy I've only found it useful in arena and monthly quest, which Ghost and Corvus is more useful, Abyss even with that synergy is a waste of time so I personally feel there's not need to change it but that's just my personal opinion again thanks.

KDSuperFlash10

@Kabam Miike just making sure, Domino's block proficiency will be improved based on the block proficiency mastery and perfect block mastery, right? If that's been changed, it would be a massive nerf to Domino.

So basically, Domino's block proficiency cannot be changed by synergies like Guardian's, but it can still be changed by masteries, right?

KDSuperFlash10

@Kabam Miike while we’re on this topic, how does Domino’s perfect block interact with the parry and block proficiency masteries? I assume that they do something to it because Domino’s base block proficiency+max roll is still less than the required amount for a perfect block, yet I can still sometimes get perfect blocks on parries

This is basically what I was asking @Kabam Miike . As long as you don't change how she interacts with the block proficiency masteries (block proficiency and perfect block), the change you're proposing is just fine. But if she cannot gain block proficiency from those masteries, that is a MASSIVE nerf and very unjustified.

Ultimatheory

Exactly the change I was hoping would happen. Thanks for taking this one back to the team.

StevieManWonder

Thanks for listening to us!

Nameless_IW

We thought it was safer to make a change to the Synergy since Guardian is newer, and we would rather not make a change to Domino, a long-standing Champion that is pretty sought after. However, it seems like you all disagree with that.

We do have another idea that I would like to float by you guys that will leave the Synergy unchanged, and leaves Domino basically unchanged, but does mean that this interaction will no longer happen.

Right now, her abilities take into account outside sources of Block Proficiency, but we would change it so that it does not. The new ability would read: "A Block with (X) Block Proficiency from Domino’s Abilities results in a Perfect Block, reducing incoming attack damage to zero and granting 10% maximum Power instantly."

Basically, the Perfect Block has to come from her own abilities. Thoughts on that?

why don't you guys just make it so that synergy is applicable to all champs in Guardian Team, EXCEPT Domino.

Domino doesn't need more block proficiency. her base block prof is high enough, plus the +1500 block proficiency selected at random. + masteries block prof.

Just make the synergy "NOT APPLICABLE" to Domino and problem will be solved.

LibertyPrimeV1

We thought it was safer to make a change to the Synergy since Guardian is newer, and we would rather not make a change to Domino, a long-standing Champion that is pretty sought after. However, it seems like you all disagree with that.

We do have another idea that I would like to float by you guys that will leave the Synergy unchanged, and leaves Domino basically unchanged, but does mean that this interaction will no longer happen.

Right now, her abilities take into account outside sources of Block Proficiency, but we would change it so that it does not. The new ability would read: "A Block with (X) Block Proficiency from Domino’s Abilities results in a Perfect Block, reducing incoming attack damage to zero and granting 10% maximum Power instantly."

Basically, the Perfect Block has to come from her own abilities. Thoughts on that?

why don't you guys just make it so that synergy is applicable to all champs in Guardian Team, EXCEPT Domino.

Domino doesn't need more block proficiency. her base block prof is high enough, plus the +1500 block proficiency selected at random. + masteries block prof.

Just make the synergy "NOT APPLICABLE" to Domino and problem will be solved.

That's what they are doing, no Synergies will be able to affect this Ability.

Josmanx

You guys change anything you want but Domino’s mechanics.

Thicco_Mode

Hands off of Domino please. If that's not a nerf, i don't know what is

...it's not a nerf

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BigManOnCampus

Hands off of Domino please. If that's not a nerf, i don't know what is

yea this really sucks for Domino owners.. There's other synergy's in the game that gives BP, that she will no longer have access to.

Crimson8399

We thought it was safer to make a change to the Synergy since Guardian is newer, and we would rather not make a change to Domino, a long-standing Champion that is pretty sought after. However, it seems like you all disagree with that.

We do have another idea that I would like to float by you guys that will leave the Synergy unchanged, and leaves Domino basically unchanged, but does mean that this interaction will no longer happen.

Right now, her abilities take into account outside sources of Block Proficiency, but we would change it so that it does not. The new ability would read: "A Block with (X) Block Proficiency from Domino’s Abilities results in a Perfect Block, reducing incoming attack damage to zero and granting 10% maximum Power instantly."

Basically, the Perfect Block has to come from her own abilities. Thoughts on that?

That sounds like a great idea. Kinda like how Old Man Logan can't have his Ability Accuracy raised or lowered. It's just all on him.

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Lightvayne

I think that is a better trade-off.

To everyone else upset about the change, you need to remember that there are currently 182 champions in this game, with probably over \ thousands different synergy combinations. Not everything is gonna be caught right away.
I know someone mentioned there was a post about the possible game breaking synergy, but these guys arent here 24/7, I'm sure they dont have time to read every single post and probably got missed.

Thicco_Mode

Hands off of Domino please. If that's not a nerf, i don't know what is
...it's not a nerf
Keep telling yourself that.

have you read the changes?

hungryhungrybbq

Haven't read whole thread, but it sounds like we've moved away from the armor while blocking thing. Which is good considering new champs are being released left and right that place armor break on you for breathing.

fitenite

So my question is if the synergy was changed to increase armor rating, would that armor rating be active only while blocking or at all times? Because if the synergy raises every champions armor rating throughout the whole fight and not only while blocking, than we would take less damage when we don't block and that would be a much better synergy than block proficiency. But if the armor rating synergy would only activate while blocking than i can't tell how the effect of that would differ and where, compared to block proficiency.

On the other hand, if Domino was changed to be more self-reliant and less synergy dependent that would make more sense to me on paper, but of course I haven't played Domino enough to know everything about her and have a proper feel on how things are working as of now.

While I haven't played Domino enough to give much input on her changes, I have had enough experience with the game itself to know how annoying it is that, within the limited amount of champs we can bring in to a quest (between 3-5), we have to choose to either bring in a champion to fight with or one that only adds a synergy and otherwise not useful for combat. I would love to see a separate/side column for champions we like to bring into a quest just to be used for their synergy and can't be put into combat. Call it the bench-warmer column. Champions intertwined by a cosmic string of synergy, they're there but not there...

Zlagoviahx

I roundly say no. If you did something without testing it out before doesn't mean that you have to nerf/rebalance Domino. Instead of changing her habilites, tweak the synergy.

LibertyPrimeV1

@Kabam Miike I don't have Guardian, but I do have a 6* rank two Domino. The change should be made if only you have the synergy with Guardian and if you don't, I believe Domino should stay the way she is.

Without the Synergy she won't change at all though, the only change will be that Synergies no longer affect her Perfect Block Ability...

LibertyPrimeV1

We thought it was safer to make a change to the Synergy since Guardian is newer, and we would rather not make a change to Domino, a long-standing Champion that is pretty sought after. However, it seems like you all disagree with that.

We do have another idea that I would like to float by you guys that will leave the Synergy unchanged, and leaves Domino basically unchanged, but does mean that this interaction will no longer happen.

Right now, her abilities take into account outside sources of Block Proficiency, but we would change it so that it does not. The new ability would read: "A Block with (X) Block Proficiency from Domino’s Abilities results in a Perfect Block, reducing incoming attack damage to zero and granting 10% maximum Power instantly."

Basically, the Perfect Block has to come from her own abilities. Thoughts on that?
Just saying but will this allow the block proficiency mastery
Because I’m pretty sure it’s impossible to get the perfect block without it

They said in another reply they will keep the Mastery in mind

LibertyPrimeV1

Another would be her block proficiency and perfect block chance cannot be increased or reduced by external sources same like old man Logan except via masteries, her own abilities and her own synergies.

That's what they are doing...

LibertyPrimeV1

Hands off of Domino please. If that's not a nerf, i don't know what is
...it's not a nerf
Keep telling yourself that.

It is not a Nerf. You will not even see a change in her without the Synergy, this is simply making sure she can't Perfect Block everything and gain Massive Amounts of Power when having her Block Proficiency Boosted by the Synergy. That is a Huge Unbalanced Ability that is getting Fixed that shouldn't have existed in the first place, there's a difference between a Nerf and an Obvious Exploit. Be happy they are fixing it now and not months later, also be happy they aren't nerfing the Guardian Synergy for Everyone...

LibertyPrimeV1

I roundly say no. If you did something without testing it out before doesn't mean that you have to nerf/rebalance Domino. Instead of changing her habilites, tweak the synergy.

No, no one wants the Synergy Nerfed for Everyone. This Change to Domino is much more fair and you won't even notice a Change in her without the Synergy, also this is not a Nerf it is a Rebalance because this Interaction wasn't meant to have this insane of a result.

Qfury

Although I have no ideas to add to this, I would just like to say thank you for involving the community & asking for input in this instead of just slamming the nerf hammer down.

Definitely a step in the right direction.