@Grumpy again, the hype, BWCV has access to 3 immunities, regen, cheat death, power control and buff immunity (when this effect is on the opponent they are immune to buffs, and BW gains power for each failed buff.
Doom has tankiness, high block proficiency, better power control, imo better nullify, great power gain with power steal/MD, and amazing damage. His downside is that he's not suicide friendly. I'm sure some people here are just going off Seatin's tier list, but most are forming their own opinions so quit accusing people of doing so.
Doom's nullify is RNG based a lot of the time. He might have stagger as well, but this ability is impeded by some mechanics nowadays. Claire's buff immunity bypasses all of those anti nullify or stagger mechanics! Also, have you ever checked to see her block proficiency?
He has one of the most consistent nullify and stagger combinations in the game
@Erocks its like comparing a knife to a spoon, they’re both cutlery but have completely different functions
That's a very good point, but if you line them up side by side I'd say Doom ends up on top still, he just has so much utility, damage, and is a god on defense.
Symbiote Supreme has the best animations in the game hands down, and he can nullify buffs instantly, survive nearly everything with his protection phase, bleed everything to do death with bleeds stronger than Claire Voyant, high damage, and the fact that he drags his opponent into another dimension with his sp3, while Doom drags his opponent to Latveria.
Symbiote Supreme has the best animations in the game hands down, and he can nullify buffs instantly, survive nearly everything with his protection phase, bleed everything to do death with bleeds stronger than Claire Voyant, high damage, and the fact that he drags his opponent into another dimension with his sp3, while Doom drags his opponent to Latveria.
Against bleed immune opponents Sym suffers terribly. Also, his abilities are on a timer and you can't access them anytime you want. His power control is also terrible too. I love sym supreme and even spent an AG on him but he is outclassed against Doom and Claire unless in some very specific matchups
I love Claire, to bits, but I’ve got to hand it to Doom. I think the big thing he has over her is he controls the fight. Not many champions do that as effectively. But honestly they are very different champions.
Doom has the superior power control
Claire has the better nullify
Doom is tankier at base but Claire can regen
Doom has much higher damage output
But Claire is triple immune.
Claire is one of the best champs with suicides while Doom suffers heavily.
I do think it’s worth mentioning that Claire can place 3 types of DOT. This allows her to take Do you bleed, acid wash and Pleasure to Burn, as well as the poisons being an in built heal mitigation
Both are incredibly versatile and excellent champions. No one can be blamed for putting one above the other honestly. Sym Supreme is 3rd, but he’s kind of niche. Basically mystic Archangel. Everyone is else is pretty far behind
I love Claire, to bits, but I’ve got to hand it to Doom. I think the big thing he has over her is he controls the fight. Not many champions do that as effectively. But honestly they are very different champions.
Doom has the superior power control
Claire has the better nullify
Doom is tankier at base but Claire can regen
Doom has much higher damage output
But Claire is triple immune.
Claire is one of the best champs with suicides while Doom suffers heavily.
I do think it’s worth mentioning that Claire can place 3 types of DOT. This allows her to take Do you bleed, acid wash and Pleasure to Burn, as well as the poisons being an in built heal mitigation
Both are incredibly versatile and excellent champions. No one can be blamed for putting one above the other honestly. Sym Supreme is 3rd, but he’s kind of niche. Basically mystic Archangel. Everyone is else is pretty far behind
That last part is just crazy. Not only is having sym supreme as nr 3 a crime. But saying other great champions like magik. Vooodoo. Ms. Sorcerer supreme is pretty far behind is number one ****
Why am I not surprised? They are great champions, what I mean is that those top 3 are so dominant. I’ve got Magik, Voodoo and Sorceror Supreme at R5 as well as Claire Voyant and Symbiote Supreme and I honestly use Claire and Sym so much more than the other champs. Magik probably sees the most play outside of them but even then that’s not too often
I love Claire, to bits, but I’ve got to hand it to Doom. I think the big thing he has over her is he controls the fight. Not many champions do that as effectively. But honestly they are very different champions.
Doom has the superior power control
Claire has the better nullify
Doom is tankier at base but Claire can regen
Doom has much higher damage output
But Claire is triple immune.
Claire is one of the best champs with suicides while Doom suffers heavily.
I do think it’s worth mentioning that Claire can place 3 types of DOT. This allows her to take Do you bleed, acid wash and Pleasure to Burn, as well as the poisons being an in built heal mitigation
Both are incredibly versatile and excellent champions. No one can be blamed for putting one above the other honestly. Sym Supreme is 3rd, but he’s kind of niche. Basically mystic Archangel. Everyone is else is pretty far behind
That last part is just crazy. Not only is having sym supreme as nr 3 a crime. But saying other great champions like magik. Vooodoo. Ms. Sorcerer supreme is pretty far behind is number one ****
Why am I not surprised? They are great champions, what I mean is that those top 3 are so dominant. I’ve got Magik, Voodoo and Sorceror Supreme at R5 as well as Claire Voyant and Symbiote Supreme and I honestly use Claire and Sym so much more than the other champs. Magik probably sees the most play outside of them but even then that’s not too often
I honestly value Sorcerer and Magik over SS. They're less situation dependant. Magik is just get to a Sp2, backdraft, and win. And Sorcerer is just amazing. Tons of utility and sustainability with some really solid damage from those armor breaks.
I love Claire, to bits, but I’ve got to hand it to Doom. I think the big thing he has over her is he controls the fight. Not many champions do that as effectively. But honestly they are very different champions.
Doom has the superior power control
Claire has the better nullify
Doom is tankier at base but Claire can regen
Doom has much higher damage output
But Claire is triple immune.
Claire is one of the best champs with suicides while Doom suffers heavily.
I do think it’s worth mentioning that Claire can place 3 types of DOT. This allows her to take Do you bleed, acid wash and Pleasure to Burn, as well as the poisons being an in built heal mitigation
Both are incredibly versatile and excellent champions. No one can be blamed for putting one above the other honestly. Sym Supreme is 3rd, but he’s kind of niche. Basically mystic Archangel. Everyone is else is pretty far behind
That last part is just crazy. Not only is having sym supreme as nr 3 a crime. But saying other great champions like magik. Vooodoo. Ms. Sorcerer supreme is pretty far behind is number one ****
Why am I not surprised? They are great champions, what I mean is that those top 3 are so dominant. I’ve got Magik, Voodoo and Sorceror Supreme at R5 as well as Claire Voyant and Symbiote Supreme and I honestly use Claire and Sym so much more than the other champs. Magik probably sees the most play outside of them but even then that’s not too often
I honestly value Sorcerer and Magik over SS. They're less situation dependant. Magik is just get to a Sp2, backdraft, and win. And Sorcerer is just amazing. Tons of utility and sustainability with some really solid damage from those armor breaks.
I can see the argument for Magik. She is a very dominant champion, but Sym just absolutely crushes any buff matchup, it’s actually stupid. I think the issue for Magik with me is that unless you need the power control, against a Hyperion for instance, there are a lot of other champs that generally just do it faster.
Sorceror I disagree with. She’s a good champ, and mine was really helpful in V5, but she’s just not up to the same calibre in my opinion. Maybe as more content comes out she’ll shine more, but she’s not the sort of champ I see as a must have like the other 4.
I love Claire, to bits, but I’ve got to hand it to Doom. I think the big thing he has over her is he controls the fight. Not many champions do that as effectively. But honestly they are very different champions.
Doom has the superior power control
Claire has the better nullify
Doom is tankier at base but Claire can regen
Doom has much higher damage output
But Claire is triple immune.
Claire is one of the best champs with suicides while Doom suffers heavily.
I do think it’s worth mentioning that Claire can place 3 types of DOT. This allows her to take Do you bleed, acid wash and Pleasure to Burn, as well as the poisons being an in built heal mitigation
Both are incredibly versatile and excellent champions. No one can be blamed for putting one above the other honestly. Sym Supreme is 3rd, but he’s kind of niche. Basically mystic Archangel. Everyone is else is pretty far behind
That last part is just crazy. Not only is having sym supreme as nr 3 a crime. But saying other great champions like magik. Vooodoo. Ms. Sorcerer supreme is pretty far behind is number one ****
Why am I not surprised? They are great champions, what I mean is that those top 3 are so dominant. I’ve got Magik, Voodoo and Sorceror Supreme at R5 as well as Claire Voyant and Symbiote Supreme and I honestly use Claire and Sym so much more than the other champs. Magik probably sees the most play outside of them but even then that’s not too often
Im not surprised either coming from the guy who undervalues havok:/ Magik is phenomenal and is probably the most used mystic in aw these days at high tiers at least. Sym is a great champ aswell but hes much more limited then champs like morningstr. Doom. Cv and magik
Magik's used a lot in AW, but not nearly as much as Doom.
I love Claire, to bits, but I’ve got to hand it to Doom. I think the big thing he has over her is he controls the fight. Not many champions do that as effectively. But honestly they are very different champions.
Doom has the superior power control
Claire has the better nullify
Doom is tankier at base but Claire can regen
Doom has much higher damage output
But Claire is triple immune.
Claire is one of the best champs with suicides while Doom suffers heavily.
I do think it’s worth mentioning that Claire can place 3 types of DOT. This allows her to take Do you bleed, acid wash and Pleasure to Burn, as well as the poisons being an in built heal mitigation
Both are incredibly versatile and excellent champions. No one can be blamed for putting one above the other honestly. Sym Supreme is 3rd, but he’s kind of niche. Basically mystic Archangel. Everyone is else is pretty far behind
That last part is just crazy. Not only is having sym supreme as nr 3 a crime. But saying other great champions like magik. Vooodoo. Ms. Sorcerer supreme is pretty far behind is number one ****
Why am I not surprised? They are great champions, what I mean is that those top 3 are so dominant. I’ve got Magik, Voodoo and Sorceror Supreme at R5 as well as Claire Voyant and Symbiote Supreme and I honestly use Claire and Sym so much more than the other champs. Magik probably sees the most play outside of them but even then that’s not too often
Im not surprised either coming from the guy who undervalues havok:/ Magik is phenomenal and is probably the most used mystic in aw these days at high tiers at least. Sym is a great champ aswell but hes much more limited then champs like morningstr. Doom. Cv and magik
Is she the most used mystic in high tier wars? Because I just see Doom’s absolutely everywhere. Didn’t she disappear again when Flow Mojo took a hit? I might be wrong I don’t play high tier wars, I can only go off what I hear through the grapevine
Sym is definitely more limited than CV and Doom, I wouldn’t argue that. Magik is better in general matchups but isn’t as dominant in her ideal matchups as Sym is. I retract my previous statement about other mystics being far behind, Magik is a clear 4th. I’m pretty set on that top 4.
I know you love your Morningstar, but that ramp up butchers the champ for me. She’s amazing when ramped but the ramp up... Maybe I’m biased, I hate ramp up champs as a rule. They’ve just never been viable in difficult content to me since you don’t get the fights to ramp up generally, you need the answers and potential there and then. I’m not going to comment much on MS since mine is only R4. She was my 7th 5* or something and I tried to use her but she was never able to get built up for when I needed her
And I stand by my comments on Havok. But that’s fine, we’re allowed to disagree😜
I love Claire, to bits, but I’ve got to hand it to Doom. I think the big thing he has over her is he controls the fight. Not many champions do that as effectively. But honestly they are very different champions.
Doom has the superior power control
Claire has the better nullify
Doom is tankier at base but Claire can regen
Doom has much higher damage output
But Claire is triple immune.
Claire is one of the best champs with suicides while Doom suffers heavily.
I do think it’s worth mentioning that Claire can place 3 types of DOT. This allows her to take Do you bleed, acid wash and Pleasure to Burn, as well as the poisons being an in built heal mitigation
Both are incredibly versatile and excellent champions. No one can be blamed for putting one above the other honestly. Sym Supreme is 3rd, but he’s kind of niche. Basically mystic Archangel. Everyone is else is pretty far behind
That last part is just crazy. Not only is having sym supreme as nr 3 a crime. But saying other great champions like magik. Vooodoo. Ms. Sorcerer supreme is pretty far behind is number one ****
Why am I not surprised? They are great champions, what I mean is that those top 3 are so dominant. I’ve got Magik, Voodoo and Sorceror Supreme at R5 as well as Claire Voyant and Symbiote Supreme and I honestly use Claire and Sym so much more than the other champs. Magik probably sees the most play outside of them but even then that’s not too often
Im not surprised either coming from the guy who undervalues havok:/ Magik is phenomenal and is probably the most used mystic in aw these days at high tiers at least. Sym is a great champ aswell but hes much more limited then champs like morningstr. Doom. Cv and magik
Magik's used a lot in AW, but not nearly as much as Doom.
Mate i said high tiers at least
Doom is used a crazy amount in high tier wars. Multiple top allies run more than one Doom in a single BG.
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I love sym supreme and even spent an AG on him but he is outclassed against Doom and Claire unless in some very specific matchups
Doom has the superior power control
Claire has the better nullify
Doom is tankier at base but Claire can regen
Doom has much higher damage output
But Claire is triple immune.
Claire is one of the best champs with suicides while Doom suffers heavily.
I do think it’s worth mentioning that Claire can place 3 types of DOT. This allows her to take Do you bleed, acid wash and Pleasure to Burn, as well as the poisons being an in built heal mitigation
Both are incredibly versatile and excellent champions. No one can be blamed for putting one above the other honestly. Sym Supreme is 3rd, but he’s kind of niche. Basically mystic Archangel. Everyone is else is pretty far behind
Sorceror I disagree with. She’s a good champ, and mine was really helpful in V5, but she’s just not up to the same calibre in my opinion. Maybe as more content comes out she’ll shine more, but she’s not the sort of champ I see as a must have like the other 4.
Sym is definitely more limited than CV and Doom, I wouldn’t argue that. Magik is better in general matchups but isn’t as dominant in her ideal matchups as Sym is. I retract my previous statement about other mystics being far behind, Magik is a clear 4th. I’m pretty set on that top 4.
I know you love your Morningstar, but that ramp up butchers the champ for me. She’s amazing when ramped but the ramp up...
Maybe I’m biased, I hate ramp up champs as a rule. They’ve just never been viable in difficult content to me since you don’t get the fights to ramp up generally, you need the answers and potential there and then. I’m not going to comment much on MS since mine is only R4. She was my 7th 5* or something and I tried to use her but she was never able to get built up for when I needed her
And I stand by my comments on Havok. But that’s fine, we’re allowed to disagree😜
Sasquatch is the best mystic.