This event beings more reason not to vote for ant man

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  • Shock29Shock29 Member Posts: 571 ★★★
    edited May 2021

    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    This is totally my opinion but, mister negative is gonna be science, and mister fantastic is receiving a tune up. We need more love to the mystic class and guillotine truly seems like the right answer to receive the overhaul. She has been overshadowed by g2099, warlock, human torch, void, civil warrior even. Ant man definitely deserves an overhaul eventually, but in our current meta, mystic really needs the help right now. That is all.

    Show us your roster. Considering the way that you are hyping up Glancing - the most powerful offensive ability there is -, I think you have a 6 star or a 5 star Gully and need her buffed. Seriously though, the synergy with ghost is the only useful synergy antman has offensively and even with that synergy he hits bad. Do you not realize that glancing requires you to block attacks and take hits and that is something no one wishes to do when playing a character?. Mr.f tune up still makes him a supporting character and not someone who will be used primarily.
    Its quite the opposite actually, and in what way shape or form was i hyping up his glancing?




    These synergies help ant man gain some pretty decent attack bonuses for glancing and placing debuffs on the opponent, and iffy poison damage. Compared to guillotines synergies

    This is your quote. he gains decent bonuses for glancing. Tell me how to glance attacks without taking hits to the face or to the block. These are the synergies that you showed
    Wasp: When glancing hits - Needs to get hit or block
    Ronin: Inflict fatigue when struck - Needs to get hit
    Psycho-Man - Sp1 inflicts stagger
    Doc Oc - Glancing reflects damage - Needs to get hit or block
    Ghost - Increase attack for each debuff on defender

    Of the 5, only 2 are useful offensively unless you like to get hit a lot. Even the Psycho man synergy is useless most of the time since it does nothing to increase your damage and it is with psycho man - arguably the weakest hitting character released this year.

    Now let's see for Guillotine
    Stryfe: Souls last longer and are paused during specials
    NT: Each soul grants crit rating
    Gamora: Increased chance to gain soul charge
    Ronin: Gain soul charge
    Morningstar: Souls last longer
    G2099: Increased bleed potency and duration

    Every synergy is an offensive one. She has more synergies than antman, more useful ones and with good and useful characters. I have no idea how you are saying antman is more relevant than guillotine considering she was the OG wolverine counter before void and CAIW and other champs came in. She has one of the highest SP3 damage potential in the game. She definitely needs a moderate update to her numbers and abilities, but no way in hell is she as bad as antman in the game.

    As far as being relevant in the game, outside of using antman for legends run, I don't see anyone using him in regular questing team. He is just as irrelevant as guillotine now.
    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    This is totally my opinion but, mister negative is gonna be science, and mister fantastic is receiving a tune up. We need more love to the mystic class and guillotine truly seems like the right answer to receive the overhaul. She has been overshadowed by g2099, warlock, human torch, void, civil warrior even. Ant man definitely deserves an overhaul eventually, but in our current meta, mystic really needs the help right now. That is all.

    Show us your roster. Considering the way that you are hyping up Glancing - the most powerful offensive ability there is -, I think you have a 6 star or a 5 star Gully and need her buffed. Seriously though, the synergy with ghost is the only useful synergy antman has offensively and even with that synergy he hits bad. Do you not realize that glancing requires you to block attacks and take hits and that is something no one wishes to do when playing a character?. Mr.f tune up still makes him a supporting character and not someone who will be used primarily.
    Its quite the opposite actually, and in what way shape or form was i hyping up his glancing?




    These synergies help ant man gain some pretty decent attack bonuses for glancing and placing debuffs on the opponent, and iffy poison damage. Compared to guillotines synergies

    This is your quote. he gains decent bonuses for glancing. Tell me how to glance attacks without taking hits to the face or to the block. These are the synergies that you showed
    Wasp: When glancing hits - Needs to get hit or block
    Ronin: Inflict fatigue when struck - Needs to get hit
    Psycho-Man - Sp1 inflicts stagger
    Doc Oc - Glancing reflects damage - Needs to get hit or block
    Ghost - Increase attack for each debuff on defender

    Of the 5, only 2 are useful offensively unless you like to get hit a lot. Even the Psycho man synergy is useless most of the time since it does nothing to increase your damage and it is with psycho man - arguably the weakest hitting character released this year.

    Now let's see for Guillotine
    Stryfe: Souls last longer and are paused during specials
    NT: Each soul grants crit rating
    Gamora: Increased chance to gain soul charge
    Ronin: Gain soul charge
    Morningstar: Souls last longer
    G2099: Increased bleed potency and duration

    Every synergy is an offensive one. She has more synergies than antman, more useful ones and with good and useful characters. I have no idea how you are saying antman is more relevant than guillotine considering she was the OG wolverine counter before void and CAIW and other champs came in. She has one of the highest SP3 damage potential in the game. She definitely needs a moderate update to her numbers and abilities, but no way in hell is she as bad as antman in the game.

    As far as being relevant in the game, outside of using antman for legends run, I don't see anyone using him in regular questing team. He is just as irrelevant as guillotine now.
    That is because ant man is tagged as a defender which could change if he wins. And guilly is an attacker. Similar to how things synergies help him out when getting hit to the face but it is much more efficient than ant mans. For relevancy, that legends run with ant man on your team will bring you more value than guillotine ever will at her current state seeing as so many mystics, techs, and science champs do what she does, better. Ant man is awful, but still has relevancy for synergy purposes. Otherwise without a doubt ant man deserves this overhaul more.

    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    This is totally my opinion but, mister negative is gonna be science, and mister fantastic is receiving a tune up. We need more love to the mystic class and guillotine truly seems like the right answer to receive the overhaul. She has been overshadowed by g2099, warlock, human torch, void, civil warrior even. Ant man definitely deserves an overhaul eventually, but in our current meta, mystic really needs the help right now. That is all.

    Show us your roster. Considering the way that you are hyping up Glancing - the most powerful offensive ability there is -, I think you have a 6 star or a 5 star Gully and need her buffed. Seriously though, the synergy with ghost is the only useful synergy antman has offensively and even with that synergy he hits bad. Do you not realize that glancing requires you to block attacks and take hits and that is something no one wishes to do when playing a character?. Mr.f tune up still makes him a supporting character and not someone who will be used primarily.
    Its quite the opposite actually, and in what way shape or form was i hyping up his glancing?




    These synergies help ant man gain some pretty decent attack bonuses for glancing and placing debuffs on the opponent, and iffy poison damage. Compared to guillotines synergies

    This is your quote. he gains decent bonuses for glancing. Tell me how to glance attacks without taking hits to the face or to the block. These are the synergies that you showed
    Wasp: When glancing hits - Needs to get hit or block
    Ronin: Inflict fatigue when struck - Needs to get hit
    Psycho-Man - Sp1 inflicts stagger
    Doc Oc - Glancing reflects damage - Needs to get hit or block
    Ghost - Increase attack for each debuff on defender

    Of the 5, only 2 are useful offensively unless you like to get hit a lot. Even the Psycho man synergy is useless most of the time since it does nothing to increase your damage and it is with psycho man - arguably the weakest hitting character released this year.

    Now let's see for Guillotine
    Stryfe: Souls last longer and are paused during specials
    NT: Each soul grants crit rating
    Gamora: Increased chance to gain soul charge
    Ronin: Gain soul charge
    Morningstar: Souls last longer
    G2099: Increased bleed potency and duration

    Every synergy is an offensive one. She has more synergies than antman, more useful ones and with good and useful characters. I have no idea how you are saying antman is more relevant than guillotine considering she was the OG wolverine counter before void and CAIW and other champs came in. She has one of the highest SP3 damage potential in the game. She definitely needs a moderate update to her numbers and abilities, but no way in hell is she as bad as antman in the game.

    As far as being relevant in the game, outside of using antman for legends run, I don't see anyone using him in regular questing team. He is just as irrelevant as guillotine now.
    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    This is totally my opinion but, mister negative is gonna be science, and mister fantastic is receiving a tune up. We need more love to the mystic class and guillotine truly seems like the right answer to receive the overhaul. She has been overshadowed by g2099, warlock, human torch, void, civil warrior even. Ant man definitely deserves an overhaul eventually, but in our current meta, mystic really needs the help right now. That is all.

    Show us your roster. Considering the way that you are hyping up Glancing - the most powerful offensive ability there is -, I think you have a 6 star or a 5 star Gully and need her buffed. Seriously though, the synergy with ghost is the only useful synergy antman has offensively and even with that synergy he hits bad. Do you not realize that glancing requires you to block attacks and take hits and that is something no one wishes to do when playing a character?. Mr.f tune up still makes him a supporting character and not someone who will be used primarily.
    Its quite the opposite actually, and in what way shape or form was i hyping up his glancing?




    These synergies help ant man gain some pretty decent attack bonuses for glancing and placing debuffs on the opponent, and iffy poison damage. Compared to guillotines synergies

    This is your quote. he gains decent bonuses for glancing. Tell me how to glance attacks without taking hits to the face or to the block. These are the synergies that you showed
    Wasp: When glancing hits - Needs to get hit or block
    Ronin: Inflict fatigue when struck - Needs to get hit
    Psycho-Man - Sp1 inflicts stagger
    Doc Oc - Glancing reflects damage - Needs to get hit or block
    Ghost - Increase attack for each debuff on defender

    Of the 5, only 2 are useful offensively unless you like to get hit a lot. Even the Psycho man synergy is useless most of the time since it does nothing to increase your damage and it is with psycho man - arguably the weakest hitting character released this year.

    Now let's see for Guillotine
    Stryfe: Souls last longer and are paused during specials
    NT: Each soul grants crit rating
    Gamora: Increased chance to gain soul charge
    Ronin: Gain soul charge
    Morningstar: Souls last longer
    G2099: Increased bleed potency and duration

    Every synergy is an offensive one. She has more synergies than antman, more useful ones and with good and useful characters. I have no idea how you are saying antman is more relevant than guillotine considering she was the OG wolverine counter before void and CAIW and other champs came in. She has one of the highest SP3 damage potential in the game. She definitely needs a moderate update to her numbers and abilities, but no way in hell is she as bad as antman in the game.

    As far as being relevant in the game, outside of using antman for legends run, I don't see anyone using him in regular questing team. He is just as irrelevant as guillotine now.
    That is because ant man is tagged as a defender which could change if he wins. And guilly is an attacker. Similar to how things synergies help him out when getting hit to the face but it is much more efficient than ant mans. For relevancy, that legends run with ant man on your team will bring you more value than guillotine ever will at her current state seeing as so many mystics, techs, and science champs do what she does, better. Ant man is awful, but still has relevancy for synergy purposes. Otherwise without a doubt ant man deserves this overhaul more.
    Guillotine had her day in the limelight. She was the og heal reversal queen when she came out. Synergy purpose is not relavence. How are you not understanding this. People actually want to play the character. Why do you think white mags gets used so much. He is a good synergy partner and has uses. Ant man has been useless since release. Champions always get replaced once meta changes. By your logic blade needs a update becuase he has been surpassed by nick fury.
    And FYI colossus is tagged defender and his update was great.
    Her day has passed and is no longer unique. And you know blade is still relevant with his regen and danger sense. Also im telling you ant mans current synergies requires him to get hit in the face because hes tagged as a defender, im not saying its gonna stay that way when he gets an overhaul, i was responding to your claim that im saying glancing is the best ability. Also beardo glances attacks on his block and hes godly, it just doesn’t work that way for ant man but he isnt the most useless champion if you have an imagination. Try your best to enhance guilly, youll always be finding her on the bench, whereas ant man benefits from his synergies and benefits the synergy partner. Not that the synergies really effect ant man but he still has his uses being a support champion
    Guilly is still better than Antman in total damage and utility. Both may be on the bench but Guilly has a lot more uses than antman even with synergies
    edit: sry weird glitch posted a duplicate. I guess ignore the second one lol
  • ChaosMax1012ChaosMax1012 Member Posts: 3,113 ★★★★★
    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    This is totally my opinion but, mister negative is gonna be science, and mister fantastic is receiving a tune up. We need more love to the mystic class and guillotine truly seems like the right answer to receive the overhaul. She has been overshadowed by g2099, warlock, human torch, void, civil warrior even. Ant man definitely deserves an overhaul eventually, but in our current meta, mystic really needs the help right now. That is all.

    Show us your roster. Considering the way that you are hyping up Glancing - the most powerful offensive ability there is -, I think you have a 6 star or a 5 star Gully and need her buffed. Seriously though, the synergy with ghost is the only useful synergy antman has offensively and even with that synergy he hits bad. Do you not realize that glancing requires you to block attacks and take hits and that is something no one wishes to do when playing a character?. Mr.f tune up still makes him a supporting character and not someone who will be used primarily.
    Its quite the opposite actually, and in what way shape or form was i hyping up his glancing?




    These synergies help ant man gain some pretty decent attack bonuses for glancing and placing debuffs on the opponent, and iffy poison damage. Compared to guillotines synergies

    This is your quote. he gains decent bonuses for glancing. Tell me how to glance attacks without taking hits to the face or to the block. These are the synergies that you showed
    Wasp: When glancing hits - Needs to get hit or block
    Ronin: Inflict fatigue when struck - Needs to get hit
    Psycho-Man - Sp1 inflicts stagger
    Doc Oc - Glancing reflects damage - Needs to get hit or block
    Ghost - Increase attack for each debuff on defender

    Of the 5, only 2 are useful offensively unless you like to get hit a lot. Even the Psycho man synergy is useless most of the time since it does nothing to increase your damage and it is with psycho man - arguably the weakest hitting character released this year.

    Now let's see for Guillotine
    Stryfe: Souls last longer and are paused during specials
    NT: Each soul grants crit rating
    Gamora: Increased chance to gain soul charge
    Ronin: Gain soul charge
    Morningstar: Souls last longer
    G2099: Increased bleed potency and duration

    Every synergy is an offensive one. She has more synergies than antman, more useful ones and with good and useful characters. I have no idea how you are saying antman is more relevant than guillotine considering she was the OG wolverine counter before void and CAIW and other champs came in. She has one of the highest SP3 damage potential in the game. She definitely needs a moderate update to her numbers and abilities, but no way in hell is she as bad as antman in the game.

    As far as being relevant in the game, outside of using antman for legends run, I don't see anyone using him in regular questing team. He is just as irrelevant as guillotine now.
    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    This is totally my opinion but, mister negative is gonna be science, and mister fantastic is receiving a tune up. We need more love to the mystic class and guillotine truly seems like the right answer to receive the overhaul. She has been overshadowed by g2099, warlock, human torch, void, civil warrior even. Ant man definitely deserves an overhaul eventually, but in our current meta, mystic really needs the help right now. That is all.

    Show us your roster. Considering the way that you are hyping up Glancing - the most powerful offensive ability there is -, I think you have a 6 star or a 5 star Gully and need her buffed. Seriously though, the synergy with ghost is the only useful synergy antman has offensively and even with that synergy he hits bad. Do you not realize that glancing requires you to block attacks and take hits and that is something no one wishes to do when playing a character?. Mr.f tune up still makes him a supporting character and not someone who will be used primarily.
    Its quite the opposite actually, and in what way shape or form was i hyping up his glancing?




    These synergies help ant man gain some pretty decent attack bonuses for glancing and placing debuffs on the opponent, and iffy poison damage. Compared to guillotines synergies

    This is your quote. he gains decent bonuses for glancing. Tell me how to glance attacks without taking hits to the face or to the block. These are the synergies that you showed
    Wasp: When glancing hits - Needs to get hit or block
    Ronin: Inflict fatigue when struck - Needs to get hit
    Psycho-Man - Sp1 inflicts stagger
    Doc Oc - Glancing reflects damage - Needs to get hit or block
    Ghost - Increase attack for each debuff on defender

    Of the 5, only 2 are useful offensively unless you like to get hit a lot. Even the Psycho man synergy is useless most of the time since it does nothing to increase your damage and it is with psycho man - arguably the weakest hitting character released this year.

    Now let's see for Guillotine
    Stryfe: Souls last longer and are paused during specials
    NT: Each soul grants crit rating
    Gamora: Increased chance to gain soul charge
    Ronin: Gain soul charge
    Morningstar: Souls last longer
    G2099: Increased bleed potency and duration

    Every synergy is an offensive one. She has more synergies than antman, more useful ones and with good and useful characters. I have no idea how you are saying antman is more relevant than guillotine considering she was the OG wolverine counter before void and CAIW and other champs came in. She has one of the highest SP3 damage potential in the game. She definitely needs a moderate update to her numbers and abilities, but no way in hell is she as bad as antman in the game.

    As far as being relevant in the game, outside of using antman for legends run, I don't see anyone using him in regular questing team. He is just as irrelevant as guillotine now.
    That is because ant man is tagged as a defender which could change if he wins. And guilly is an attacker. Similar to how things synergies help him out when getting hit to the face but it is much more efficient than ant mans. For relevancy, that legends run with ant man on your team will bring you more value than guillotine ever will at her current state seeing as so many mystics, techs, and science champs do what she does, better. Ant man is awful, but still has relevancy for synergy purposes. Otherwise without a doubt ant man deserves this overhaul more.

    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    This is totally my opinion but, mister negative is gonna be science, and mister fantastic is receiving a tune up. We need more love to the mystic class and guillotine truly seems like the right answer to receive the overhaul. She has been overshadowed by g2099, warlock, human torch, void, civil warrior even. Ant man definitely deserves an overhaul eventually, but in our current meta, mystic really needs the help right now. That is all.

    Show us your roster. Considering the way that you are hyping up Glancing - the most powerful offensive ability there is -, I think you have a 6 star or a 5 star Gully and need her buffed. Seriously though, the synergy with ghost is the only useful synergy antman has offensively and even with that synergy he hits bad. Do you not realize that glancing requires you to block attacks and take hits and that is something no one wishes to do when playing a character?. Mr.f tune up still makes him a supporting character and not someone who will be used primarily.
    Its quite the opposite actually, and in what way shape or form was i hyping up his glancing?




    These synergies help ant man gain some pretty decent attack bonuses for glancing and placing debuffs on the opponent, and iffy poison damage. Compared to guillotines synergies

    This is your quote. he gains decent bonuses for glancing. Tell me how to glance attacks without taking hits to the face or to the block. These are the synergies that you showed
    Wasp: When glancing hits - Needs to get hit or block
    Ronin: Inflict fatigue when struck - Needs to get hit
    Psycho-Man - Sp1 inflicts stagger
    Doc Oc - Glancing reflects damage - Needs to get hit or block
    Ghost - Increase attack for each debuff on defender

    Of the 5, only 2 are useful offensively unless you like to get hit a lot. Even the Psycho man synergy is useless most of the time since it does nothing to increase your damage and it is with psycho man - arguably the weakest hitting character released this year.

    Now let's see for Guillotine
    Stryfe: Souls last longer and are paused during specials
    NT: Each soul grants crit rating
    Gamora: Increased chance to gain soul charge
    Ronin: Gain soul charge
    Morningstar: Souls last longer
    G2099: Increased bleed potency and duration

    Every synergy is an offensive one. She has more synergies than antman, more useful ones and with good and useful characters. I have no idea how you are saying antman is more relevant than guillotine considering she was the OG wolverine counter before void and CAIW and other champs came in. She has one of the highest SP3 damage potential in the game. She definitely needs a moderate update to her numbers and abilities, but no way in hell is she as bad as antman in the game.

    As far as being relevant in the game, outside of using antman for legends run, I don't see anyone using him in regular questing team. He is just as irrelevant as guillotine now.
    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    This is totally my opinion but, mister negative is gonna be science, and mister fantastic is receiving a tune up. We need more love to the mystic class and guillotine truly seems like the right answer to receive the overhaul. She has been overshadowed by g2099, warlock, human torch, void, civil warrior even. Ant man definitely deserves an overhaul eventually, but in our current meta, mystic really needs the help right now. That is all.

    Show us your roster. Considering the way that you are hyping up Glancing - the most powerful offensive ability there is -, I think you have a 6 star or a 5 star Gully and need her buffed. Seriously though, the synergy with ghost is the only useful synergy antman has offensively and even with that synergy he hits bad. Do you not realize that glancing requires you to block attacks and take hits and that is something no one wishes to do when playing a character?. Mr.f tune up still makes him a supporting character and not someone who will be used primarily.
    Its quite the opposite actually, and in what way shape or form was i hyping up his glancing?




    These synergies help ant man gain some pretty decent attack bonuses for glancing and placing debuffs on the opponent, and iffy poison damage. Compared to guillotines synergies

    This is your quote. he gains decent bonuses for glancing. Tell me how to glance attacks without taking hits to the face or to the block. These are the synergies that you showed
    Wasp: When glancing hits - Needs to get hit or block
    Ronin: Inflict fatigue when struck - Needs to get hit
    Psycho-Man - Sp1 inflicts stagger
    Doc Oc - Glancing reflects damage - Needs to get hit or block
    Ghost - Increase attack for each debuff on defender

    Of the 5, only 2 are useful offensively unless you like to get hit a lot. Even the Psycho man synergy is useless most of the time since it does nothing to increase your damage and it is with psycho man - arguably the weakest hitting character released this year.

    Now let's see for Guillotine
    Stryfe: Souls last longer and are paused during specials
    NT: Each soul grants crit rating
    Gamora: Increased chance to gain soul charge
    Ronin: Gain soul charge
    Morningstar: Souls last longer
    G2099: Increased bleed potency and duration

    Every synergy is an offensive one. She has more synergies than antman, more useful ones and with good and useful characters. I have no idea how you are saying antman is more relevant than guillotine considering she was the OG wolverine counter before void and CAIW and other champs came in. She has one of the highest SP3 damage potential in the game. She definitely needs a moderate update to her numbers and abilities, but no way in hell is she as bad as antman in the game.

    As far as being relevant in the game, outside of using antman for legends run, I don't see anyone using him in regular questing team. He is just as irrelevant as guillotine now.
    That is because ant man is tagged as a defender which could change if he wins. And guilly is an attacker. Similar to how things synergies help him out when getting hit to the face but it is much more efficient than ant mans. For relevancy, that legends run with ant man on your team will bring you more value than guillotine ever will at her current state seeing as so many mystics, techs, and science champs do what she does, better. Ant man is awful, but still has relevancy for synergy purposes. Otherwise without a doubt ant man deserves this overhaul more.
    Guillotine had her day in the limelight. She was the og heal reversal queen when she came out. Synergy purpose is not relavence. How are you not understanding this. People actually want to play the character. Why do you think white mags gets used so much. He is a good synergy partner and has uses. Ant man has been useless since release. Champions always get replaced once meta changes. By your logic blade needs a update becuase he has been surpassed by nick fury.
    And FYI colossus is tagged defender and his update was great.
    Her day has passed and is no longer unique. And you know blade is still relevant with his regen and danger sense. Also im telling you ant mans current synergies requires him to get hit in the face because hes tagged as a defender, im not saying its gonna stay that way when he gets an overhaul, i was responding to your claim that im saying glancing is the best ability. Also beardo glances attacks on his block and hes godly, it just doesn’t work that way for ant man but he isnt the most useless champion if you have an imagination. Try your best to enhance guilly, youll always be finding her on the bench, whereas ant man benefits from his synergies and benefits the synergy partner. Not that the synergies really effect ant man but he still has his uses being a support champion

    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    This is totally my opinion but, mister negative is gonna be science, and mister fantastic is receiving a tune up. We need more love to the mystic class and guillotine truly seems like the right answer to receive the overhaul. She has been overshadowed by g2099, warlock, human torch, void, civil warrior even. Ant man definitely deserves an overhaul eventually, but in our current meta, mystic really needs the help right now. That is all.

    Show us your roster. Considering the way that you are hyping up Glancing - the most powerful offensive ability there is -, I think you have a 6 star or a 5 star Gully and need her buffed. Seriously though, the synergy with ghost is the only useful synergy antman has offensively and even with that synergy he hits bad. Do you not realize that glancing requires you to block attacks and take hits and that is something no one wishes to do when playing a character?. Mr.f tune up still makes him a supporting character and not someone who will be used primarily.
    Its quite the opposite actually, and in what way shape or form was i hyping up his glancing?




    These synergies help ant man gain some pretty decent attack bonuses for glancing and placing debuffs on the opponent, and iffy poison damage. Compared to guillotines synergies

    This is your quote. he gains decent bonuses for glancing. Tell me how to glance attacks without taking hits to the face or to the block. These are the synergies that you showed
    Wasp: When glancing hits - Needs to get hit or block
    Ronin: Inflict fatigue when struck - Needs to get hit
    Psycho-Man - Sp1 inflicts stagger
    Doc Oc - Glancing reflects damage - Needs to get hit or block
    Ghost - Increase attack for each debuff on defender

    Of the 5, only 2 are useful offensively unless you like to get hit a lot. Even the Psycho man synergy is useless most of the time since it does nothing to increase your damage and it is with psycho man - arguably the weakest hitting character released this year.

    Now let's see for Guillotine
    Stryfe: Souls last longer and are paused during specials
    NT: Each soul grants crit rating
    Gamora: Increased chance to gain soul charge
    Ronin: Gain soul charge
    Morningstar: Souls last longer
    G2099: Increased bleed potency and duration

    Every synergy is an offensive one. She has more synergies than antman, more useful ones and with good and useful characters. I have no idea how you are saying antman is more relevant than guillotine considering she was the OG wolverine counter before void and CAIW and other champs came in. She has one of the highest SP3 damage potential in the game. She definitely needs a moderate update to her numbers and abilities, but no way in hell is she as bad as antman in the game.

    As far as being relevant in the game, outside of using antman for legends run, I don't see anyone using him in regular questing team. He is just as irrelevant as guillotine now.
    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    This is totally my opinion but, mister negative is gonna be science, and mister fantastic is receiving a tune up. We need more love to the mystic class and guillotine truly seems like the right answer to receive the overhaul. She has been overshadowed by g2099, warlock, human torch, void, civil warrior even. Ant man definitely deserves an overhaul eventually, but in our current meta, mystic really needs the help right now. That is all.

    Show us your roster. Considering the way that you are hyping up Glancing - the most powerful offensive ability there is -, I think you have a 6 star or a 5 star Gully and need her buffed. Seriously though, the synergy with ghost is the only useful synergy antman has offensively and even with that synergy he hits bad. Do you not realize that glancing requires you to block attacks and take hits and that is something no one wishes to do when playing a character?. Mr.f tune up still makes him a supporting character and not someone who will be used primarily.
    Its quite the opposite actually, and in what way shape or form was i hyping up his glancing?




    These synergies help ant man gain some pretty decent attack bonuses for glancing and placing debuffs on the opponent, and iffy poison damage. Compared to guillotines synergies

    This is your quote. he gains decent bonuses for glancing. Tell me how to glance attacks without taking hits to the face or to the block. These are the synergies that you showed
    Wasp: When glancing hits - Needs to get hit or block
    Ronin: Inflict fatigue when struck - Needs to get hit
    Psycho-Man - Sp1 inflicts stagger
    Doc Oc - Glancing reflects damage - Needs to get hit or block
    Ghost - Increase attack for each debuff on defender

    Of the 5, only 2 are useful offensively unless you like to get hit a lot. Even the Psycho man synergy is useless most of the time since it does nothing to increase your damage and it is with psycho man - arguably the weakest hitting character released this year.

    Now let's see for Guillotine
    Stryfe: Souls last longer and are paused during specials
    NT: Each soul grants crit rating
    Gamora: Increased chance to gain soul charge
    Ronin: Gain soul charge
    Morningstar: Souls last longer
    G2099: Increased bleed potency and duration

    Every synergy is an offensive one. She has more synergies than antman, more useful ones and with good and useful characters. I have no idea how you are saying antman is more relevant than guillotine considering she was the OG wolverine counter before void and CAIW and other champs came in. She has one of the highest SP3 damage potential in the game. She definitely needs a moderate update to her numbers and abilities, but no way in hell is she as bad as antman in the game.

    As far as being relevant in the game, outside of using antman for legends run, I don't see anyone using him in regular questing team. He is just as irrelevant as guillotine now.
    That is because ant man is tagged as a defender which could change if he wins. And guilly is an attacker. Similar to how things synergies help him out when getting hit to the face but it is much more efficient than ant mans. For relevancy, that legends run with ant man on your team will bring you more value than guillotine ever will at her current state seeing as so many mystics, techs, and science champs do what she does, better. Ant man is awful, but still has relevancy for synergy purposes. Otherwise without a doubt ant man deserves this overhaul more.

    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    This is totally my opinion but, mister negative is gonna be science, and mister fantastic is receiving a tune up. We need more love to the mystic class and guillotine truly seems like the right answer to receive the overhaul. She has been overshadowed by g2099, warlock, human torch, void, civil warrior even. Ant man definitely deserves an overhaul eventually, but in our current meta, mystic really needs the help right now. That is all.

    Show us your roster. Considering the way that you are hyping up Glancing - the most powerful offensive ability there is -, I think you have a 6 star or a 5 star Gully and need her buffed. Seriously though, the synergy with ghost is the only useful synergy antman has offensively and even with that synergy he hits bad. Do you not realize that glancing requires you to block attacks and take hits and that is something no one wishes to do when playing a character?. Mr.f tune up still makes him a supporting character and not someone who will be used primarily.
    Its quite the opposite actually, and in what way shape or form was i hyping up his glancing?




    These synergies help ant man gain some pretty decent attack bonuses for glancing and placing debuffs on the opponent, and iffy poison damage. Compared to guillotines synergies

    This is your quote. he gains decent bonuses for glancing. Tell me how to glance attacks without taking hits to the face or to the block. These are the synergies that you showed
    Wasp: When glancing hits - Needs to get hit or block
    Ronin: Inflict fatigue when struck - Needs to get hit
    Psycho-Man - Sp1 inflicts stagger
    Doc Oc - Glancing reflects damage - Needs to get hit or block
    Ghost - Increase attack for each debuff on defender

    Of the 5, only 2 are useful offensively unless you like to get hit a lot. Even the Psycho man synergy is useless most of the time since it does nothing to increase your damage and it is with psycho man - arguably the weakest hitting character released this year.

    Now let's see for Guillotine
    Stryfe: Souls last longer and are paused during specials
    NT: Each soul grants crit rating
    Gamora: Increased chance to gain soul charge
    Ronin: Gain soul charge
    Morningstar: Souls last longer
    G2099: Increased bleed potency and duration

    Every synergy is an offensive one. She has more synergies than antman, more useful ones and with good and useful characters. I have no idea how you are saying antman is more relevant than guillotine considering she was the OG wolverine counter before void and CAIW and other champs came in. She has one of the highest SP3 damage potential in the game. She definitely needs a moderate update to her numbers and abilities, but no way in hell is she as bad as antman in the game.

    As far as being relevant in the game, outside of using antman for legends run, I don't see anyone using him in regular questing team. He is just as irrelevant as guillotine now.
    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    This is totally my opinion but, mister negative is gonna be science, and mister fantastic is receiving a tune up. We need more love to the mystic class and guillotine truly seems like the right answer to receive the overhaul. She has been overshadowed by g2099, warlock, human torch, void, civil warrior even. Ant man definitely deserves an overhaul eventually, but in our current meta, mystic really needs the help right now. That is all.

    Show us your roster. Considering the way that you are hyping up Glancing - the most powerful offensive ability there is -, I think you have a 6 star or a 5 star Gully and need her buffed. Seriously though, the synergy with ghost is the only useful synergy antman has offensively and even with that synergy he hits bad. Do you not realize that glancing requires you to block attacks and take hits and that is something no one wishes to do when playing a character?. Mr.f tune up still makes him a supporting character and not someone who will be used primarily.
    Its quite the opposite actually, and in what way shape or form was i hyping up his glancing?




    These synergies help ant man gain some pretty decent attack bonuses for glancing and placing debuffs on the opponent, and iffy poison damage. Compared to guillotines synergies

    This is your quote. he gains decent bonuses for glancing. Tell me how to glance attacks without taking hits to the face or to the block. These are the synergies that you showed
    Wasp: When glancing hits - Needs to get hit or block
    Ronin: Inflict fatigue when struck - Needs to get hit
    Psycho-Man - Sp1 inflicts stagger
    Doc Oc - Glancing reflects damage - Needs to get hit or block
    Ghost - Increase attack for each debuff on defender

    Of the 5, only 2 are useful offensively unless you like to get hit a lot. Even the Psycho man synergy is useless most of the time since it does nothing to increase your damage and it is with psycho man - arguably the weakest hitting character released this year.

    Now let's see for Guillotine
    Stryfe: Souls last longer and are paused during specials
    NT: Each soul grants crit rating
    Gamora: Increased chance to gain soul charge
    Ronin: Gain soul charge
    Morningstar: Souls last longer
    G2099: Increased bleed potency and duration

    Every synergy is an offensive one. She has more synergies than antman, more useful ones and with good and useful characters. I have no idea how you are saying antman is more relevant than guillotine considering she was the OG wolverine counter before void and CAIW and other champs came in. She has one of the highest SP3 damage potential in the game. She definitely needs a moderate update to her numbers and abilities, but no way in hell is she as bad as antman in the game.

    As far as being relevant in the game, outside of using antman for legends run, I don't see anyone using him in regular questing team. He is just as irrelevant as guillotine now.
    That is because ant man is tagged as a defender which could change if he wins. And guilly is an attacker. Similar to how things synergies help him out when getting hit to the face but it is much more efficient than ant mans. For relevancy, that legends run with ant man on your team will bring you more value than guillotine ever will at her current state seeing as so many mystics, techs, and science champs do what she does, better. Ant man is awful, but still has relevancy for synergy purposes. Otherwise without a doubt ant man deserves this overhaul more.
    Guillotine had her day in the limelight. She was the og heal reversal queen when she came out. Synergy purpose is not relavence. How are you not understanding this. People actually want to play the character. Why do you think white mags gets used so much. He is a good synergy partner and has uses. Ant man has been useless since release. Champions always get replaced once meta changes. By your logic blade needs a update becuase he has been surpassed by nick fury.
    And FYI colossus is tagged defender and his update was great.
    Her day has passed and is no longer unique. And you know blade is still relevant with his regen and danger sense. Also im telling you ant mans current synergies requires him to get hit in the face because hes tagged as a defender, im not saying its gonna stay that way when he gets an overhaul, i was responding to your claim that im saying glancing is the best ability. Also beardo glances attacks on his block and hes godly, it just doesn’t work that way for ant man but he isnt the most useless champion if you have an imagination. Try your best to enhance guilly, youll always be finding her on the bench, whereas ant man benefits from his synergies and benefits the synergy partner. Not that the synergies really effect ant man but he still has his uses being a support champion
    Your point is gully is useless but ant man can atleast make it to the team because of synergies. Is that it? Sorry. I actually want to play antman. I used gully a lot when I started the game and have never used antman for anything other than arena. I want to see what Kabam can do with him. Lot of people bring gully along with Morningstar to ramp up quicker. So she still does have some use as a synergy partner.
    Beardo glances attacks but he is not godly because of that. He has a ridiculous number of utility and can actually deal a lot of damage. People actually forget about his glancing.
    Answer me this. Which class is better: mystic or science, and tell me why
  • Shock29Shock29 Member Posts: 571 ★★★

    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    This is totally my opinion but, mister negative is gonna be science, and mister fantastic is receiving a tune up. We need more love to the mystic class and guillotine truly seems like the right answer to receive the overhaul. She has been overshadowed by g2099, warlock, human torch, void, civil warrior even. Ant man definitely deserves an overhaul eventually, but in our current meta, mystic really needs the help right now. That is all.

    Show us your roster. Considering the way that you are hyping up Glancing - the most powerful offensive ability there is -, I think you have a 6 star or a 5 star Gully and need her buffed. Seriously though, the synergy with ghost is the only useful synergy antman has offensively and even with that synergy he hits bad. Do you not realize that glancing requires you to block attacks and take hits and that is something no one wishes to do when playing a character?. Mr.f tune up still makes him a supporting character and not someone who will be used primarily.
    Its quite the opposite actually, and in what way shape or form was i hyping up his glancing?




    These synergies help ant man gain some pretty decent attack bonuses for glancing and placing debuffs on the opponent, and iffy poison damage. Compared to guillotines synergies

    This is your quote. he gains decent bonuses for glancing. Tell me how to glance attacks without taking hits to the face or to the block. These are the synergies that you showed
    Wasp: When glancing hits - Needs to get hit or block
    Ronin: Inflict fatigue when struck - Needs to get hit
    Psycho-Man - Sp1 inflicts stagger
    Doc Oc - Glancing reflects damage - Needs to get hit or block
    Ghost - Increase attack for each debuff on defender

    Of the 5, only 2 are useful offensively unless you like to get hit a lot. Even the Psycho man synergy is useless most of the time since it does nothing to increase your damage and it is with psycho man - arguably the weakest hitting character released this year.

    Now let's see for Guillotine
    Stryfe: Souls last longer and are paused during specials
    NT: Each soul grants crit rating
    Gamora: Increased chance to gain soul charge
    Ronin: Gain soul charge
    Morningstar: Souls last longer
    G2099: Increased bleed potency and duration

    Every synergy is an offensive one. She has more synergies than antman, more useful ones and with good and useful characters. I have no idea how you are saying antman is more relevant than guillotine considering she was the OG wolverine counter before void and CAIW and other champs came in. She has one of the highest SP3 damage potential in the game. She definitely needs a moderate update to her numbers and abilities, but no way in hell is she as bad as antman in the game.

    As far as being relevant in the game, outside of using antman for legends run, I don't see anyone using him in regular questing team. He is just as irrelevant as guillotine now.
    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    This is totally my opinion but, mister negative is gonna be science, and mister fantastic is receiving a tune up. We need more love to the mystic class and guillotine truly seems like the right answer to receive the overhaul. She has been overshadowed by g2099, warlock, human torch, void, civil warrior even. Ant man definitely deserves an overhaul eventually, but in our current meta, mystic really needs the help right now. That is all.

    Show us your roster. Considering the way that you are hyping up Glancing - the most powerful offensive ability there is -, I think you have a 6 star or a 5 star Gully and need her buffed. Seriously though, the synergy with ghost is the only useful synergy antman has offensively and even with that synergy he hits bad. Do you not realize that glancing requires you to block attacks and take hits and that is something no one wishes to do when playing a character?. Mr.f tune up still makes him a supporting character and not someone who will be used primarily.
    Its quite the opposite actually, and in what way shape or form was i hyping up his glancing?




    These synergies help ant man gain some pretty decent attack bonuses for glancing and placing debuffs on the opponent, and iffy poison damage. Compared to guillotines synergies

    This is your quote. he gains decent bonuses for glancing. Tell me how to glance attacks without taking hits to the face or to the block. These are the synergies that you showed
    Wasp: When glancing hits - Needs to get hit or block
    Ronin: Inflict fatigue when struck - Needs to get hit
    Psycho-Man - Sp1 inflicts stagger
    Doc Oc - Glancing reflects damage - Needs to get hit or block
    Ghost - Increase attack for each debuff on defender

    Of the 5, only 2 are useful offensively unless you like to get hit a lot. Even the Psycho man synergy is useless most of the time since it does nothing to increase your damage and it is with psycho man - arguably the weakest hitting character released this year.

    Now let's see for Guillotine
    Stryfe: Souls last longer and are paused during specials
    NT: Each soul grants crit rating
    Gamora: Increased chance to gain soul charge
    Ronin: Gain soul charge
    Morningstar: Souls last longer
    G2099: Increased bleed potency and duration

    Every synergy is an offensive one. She has more synergies than antman, more useful ones and with good and useful characters. I have no idea how you are saying antman is more relevant than guillotine considering she was the OG wolverine counter before void and CAIW and other champs came in. She has one of the highest SP3 damage potential in the game. She definitely needs a moderate update to her numbers and abilities, but no way in hell is she as bad as antman in the game.

    As far as being relevant in the game, outside of using antman for legends run, I don't see anyone using him in regular questing team. He is just as irrelevant as guillotine now.
    That is because ant man is tagged as a defender which could change if he wins. And guilly is an attacker. Similar to how things synergies help him out when getting hit to the face but it is much more efficient than ant mans. For relevancy, that legends run with ant man on your team will bring you more value than guillotine ever will at her current state seeing as so many mystics, techs, and science champs do what she does, better. Ant man is awful, but still has relevancy for synergy purposes. Otherwise without a doubt ant man deserves this overhaul more.

    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    This is totally my opinion but, mister negative is gonna be science, and mister fantastic is receiving a tune up. We need more love to the mystic class and guillotine truly seems like the right answer to receive the overhaul. She has been overshadowed by g2099, warlock, human torch, void, civil warrior even. Ant man definitely deserves an overhaul eventually, but in our current meta, mystic really needs the help right now. That is all.

    Show us your roster. Considering the way that you are hyping up Glancing - the most powerful offensive ability there is -, I think you have a 6 star or a 5 star Gully and need her buffed. Seriously though, the synergy with ghost is the only useful synergy antman has offensively and even with that synergy he hits bad. Do you not realize that glancing requires you to block attacks and take hits and that is something no one wishes to do when playing a character?. Mr.f tune up still makes him a supporting character and not someone who will be used primarily.
    Its quite the opposite actually, and in what way shape or form was i hyping up his glancing?




    These synergies help ant man gain some pretty decent attack bonuses for glancing and placing debuffs on the opponent, and iffy poison damage. Compared to guillotines synergies

    This is your quote. he gains decent bonuses for glancing. Tell me how to glance attacks without taking hits to the face or to the block. These are the synergies that you showed
    Wasp: When glancing hits - Needs to get hit or block
    Ronin: Inflict fatigue when struck - Needs to get hit
    Psycho-Man - Sp1 inflicts stagger
    Doc Oc - Glancing reflects damage - Needs to get hit or block
    Ghost - Increase attack for each debuff on defender

    Of the 5, only 2 are useful offensively unless you like to get hit a lot. Even the Psycho man synergy is useless most of the time since it does nothing to increase your damage and it is with psycho man - arguably the weakest hitting character released this year.

    Now let's see for Guillotine
    Stryfe: Souls last longer and are paused during specials
    NT: Each soul grants crit rating
    Gamora: Increased chance to gain soul charge
    Ronin: Gain soul charge
    Morningstar: Souls last longer
    G2099: Increased bleed potency and duration

    Every synergy is an offensive one. She has more synergies than antman, more useful ones and with good and useful characters. I have no idea how you are saying antman is more relevant than guillotine considering she was the OG wolverine counter before void and CAIW and other champs came in. She has one of the highest SP3 damage potential in the game. She definitely needs a moderate update to her numbers and abilities, but no way in hell is she as bad as antman in the game.

    As far as being relevant in the game, outside of using antman for legends run, I don't see anyone using him in regular questing team. He is just as irrelevant as guillotine now.
    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    This is totally my opinion but, mister negative is gonna be science, and mister fantastic is receiving a tune up. We need more love to the mystic class and guillotine truly seems like the right answer to receive the overhaul. She has been overshadowed by g2099, warlock, human torch, void, civil warrior even. Ant man definitely deserves an overhaul eventually, but in our current meta, mystic really needs the help right now. That is all.

    Show us your roster. Considering the way that you are hyping up Glancing - the most powerful offensive ability there is -, I think you have a 6 star or a 5 star Gully and need her buffed. Seriously though, the synergy with ghost is the only useful synergy antman has offensively and even with that synergy he hits bad. Do you not realize that glancing requires you to block attacks and take hits and that is something no one wishes to do when playing a character?. Mr.f tune up still makes him a supporting character and not someone who will be used primarily.
    Its quite the opposite actually, and in what way shape or form was i hyping up his glancing?




    These synergies help ant man gain some pretty decent attack bonuses for glancing and placing debuffs on the opponent, and iffy poison damage. Compared to guillotines synergies

    This is your quote. he gains decent bonuses for glancing. Tell me how to glance attacks without taking hits to the face or to the block. These are the synergies that you showed
    Wasp: When glancing hits - Needs to get hit or block
    Ronin: Inflict fatigue when struck - Needs to get hit
    Psycho-Man - Sp1 inflicts stagger
    Doc Oc - Glancing reflects damage - Needs to get hit or block
    Ghost - Increase attack for each debuff on defender

    Of the 5, only 2 are useful offensively unless you like to get hit a lot. Even the Psycho man synergy is useless most of the time since it does nothing to increase your damage and it is with psycho man - arguably the weakest hitting character released this year.

    Now let's see for Guillotine
    Stryfe: Souls last longer and are paused during specials
    NT: Each soul grants crit rating
    Gamora: Increased chance to gain soul charge
    Ronin: Gain soul charge
    Morningstar: Souls last longer
    G2099: Increased bleed potency and duration

    Every synergy is an offensive one. She has more synergies than antman, more useful ones and with good and useful characters. I have no idea how you are saying antman is more relevant than guillotine considering she was the OG wolverine counter before void and CAIW and other champs came in. She has one of the highest SP3 damage potential in the game. She definitely needs a moderate update to her numbers and abilities, but no way in hell is she as bad as antman in the game.

    As far as being relevant in the game, outside of using antman for legends run, I don't see anyone using him in regular questing team. He is just as irrelevant as guillotine now.
    That is because ant man is tagged as a defender which could change if he wins. And guilly is an attacker. Similar to how things synergies help him out when getting hit to the face but it is much more efficient than ant mans. For relevancy, that legends run with ant man on your team will bring you more value than guillotine ever will at her current state seeing as so many mystics, techs, and science champs do what she does, better. Ant man is awful, but still has relevancy for synergy purposes. Otherwise without a doubt ant man deserves this overhaul more.
    Guillotine had her day in the limelight. She was the og heal reversal queen when she came out. Synergy purpose is not relavence. How are you not understanding this. People actually want to play the character. Why do you think white mags gets used so much. He is a good synergy partner and has uses. Ant man has been useless since release. Champions always get replaced once meta changes. By your logic blade needs a update becuase he has been surpassed by nick fury.
    And FYI colossus is tagged defender and his update was great.
    Her day has passed and is no longer unique. And you know blade is still relevant with his regen and danger sense. Also im telling you ant mans current synergies requires him to get hit in the face because hes tagged as a defender, im not saying its gonna stay that way when he gets an overhaul, i was responding to your claim that im saying glancing is the best ability. Also beardo glances attacks on his block and hes godly, it just doesn’t work that way for ant man but he isnt the most useless champion if you have an imagination. Try your best to enhance guilly, youll always be finding her on the bench, whereas ant man benefits from his synergies and benefits the synergy partner. Not that the synergies really effect ant man but he still has his uses being a support champion
    Guilly is still better than Antman in total damage and utility. Both may be on the bench but you can’t deny Guilly still has more uses
  • ChaosMax1012ChaosMax1012 Member Posts: 3,113 ★★★★★
    Shock29 said:

    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    This is totally my opinion but, mister negative is gonna be science, and mister fantastic is receiving a tune up. We need more love to the mystic class and guillotine truly seems like the right answer to receive the overhaul. She has been overshadowed by g2099, warlock, human torch, void, civil warrior even. Ant man definitely deserves an overhaul eventually, but in our current meta, mystic really needs the help right now. That is all.

    Show us your roster. Considering the way that you are hyping up Glancing - the most powerful offensive ability there is -, I think you have a 6 star or a 5 star Gully and need her buffed. Seriously though, the synergy with ghost is the only useful synergy antman has offensively and even with that synergy he hits bad. Do you not realize that glancing requires you to block attacks and take hits and that is something no one wishes to do when playing a character?. Mr.f tune up still makes him a supporting character and not someone who will be used primarily.
    Its quite the opposite actually, and in what way shape or form was i hyping up his glancing?




    These synergies help ant man gain some pretty decent attack bonuses for glancing and placing debuffs on the opponent, and iffy poison damage. Compared to guillotines synergies

    This is your quote. he gains decent bonuses for glancing. Tell me how to glance attacks without taking hits to the face or to the block. These are the synergies that you showed
    Wasp: When glancing hits - Needs to get hit or block
    Ronin: Inflict fatigue when struck - Needs to get hit
    Psycho-Man - Sp1 inflicts stagger
    Doc Oc - Glancing reflects damage - Needs to get hit or block
    Ghost - Increase attack for each debuff on defender

    Of the 5, only 2 are useful offensively unless you like to get hit a lot. Even the Psycho man synergy is useless most of the time since it does nothing to increase your damage and it is with psycho man - arguably the weakest hitting character released this year.

    Now let's see for Guillotine
    Stryfe: Souls last longer and are paused during specials
    NT: Each soul grants crit rating
    Gamora: Increased chance to gain soul charge
    Ronin: Gain soul charge
    Morningstar: Souls last longer
    G2099: Increased bleed potency and duration

    Every synergy is an offensive one. She has more synergies than antman, more useful ones and with good and useful characters. I have no idea how you are saying antman is more relevant than guillotine considering she was the OG wolverine counter before void and CAIW and other champs came in. She has one of the highest SP3 damage potential in the game. She definitely needs a moderate update to her numbers and abilities, but no way in hell is she as bad as antman in the game.

    As far as being relevant in the game, outside of using antman for legends run, I don't see anyone using him in regular questing team. He is just as irrelevant as guillotine now.
    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    This is totally my opinion but, mister negative is gonna be science, and mister fantastic is receiving a tune up. We need more love to the mystic class and guillotine truly seems like the right answer to receive the overhaul. She has been overshadowed by g2099, warlock, human torch, void, civil warrior even. Ant man definitely deserves an overhaul eventually, but in our current meta, mystic really needs the help right now. That is all.

    Show us your roster. Considering the way that you are hyping up Glancing - the most powerful offensive ability there is -, I think you have a 6 star or a 5 star Gully and need her buffed. Seriously though, the synergy with ghost is the only useful synergy antman has offensively and even with that synergy he hits bad. Do you not realize that glancing requires you to block attacks and take hits and that is something no one wishes to do when playing a character?. Mr.f tune up still makes him a supporting character and not someone who will be used primarily.
    Its quite the opposite actually, and in what way shape or form was i hyping up his glancing?




    These synergies help ant man gain some pretty decent attack bonuses for glancing and placing debuffs on the opponent, and iffy poison damage. Compared to guillotines synergies

    This is your quote. he gains decent bonuses for glancing. Tell me how to glance attacks without taking hits to the face or to the block. These are the synergies that you showed
    Wasp: When glancing hits - Needs to get hit or block
    Ronin: Inflict fatigue when struck - Needs to get hit
    Psycho-Man - Sp1 inflicts stagger
    Doc Oc - Glancing reflects damage - Needs to get hit or block
    Ghost - Increase attack for each debuff on defender

    Of the 5, only 2 are useful offensively unless you like to get hit a lot. Even the Psycho man synergy is useless most of the time since it does nothing to increase your damage and it is with psycho man - arguably the weakest hitting character released this year.

    Now let's see for Guillotine
    Stryfe: Souls last longer and are paused during specials
    NT: Each soul grants crit rating
    Gamora: Increased chance to gain soul charge
    Ronin: Gain soul charge
    Morningstar: Souls last longer
    G2099: Increased bleed potency and duration

    Every synergy is an offensive one. She has more synergies than antman, more useful ones and with good and useful characters. I have no idea how you are saying antman is more relevant than guillotine considering she was the OG wolverine counter before void and CAIW and other champs came in. She has one of the highest SP3 damage potential in the game. She definitely needs a moderate update to her numbers and abilities, but no way in hell is she as bad as antman in the game.

    As far as being relevant in the game, outside of using antman for legends run, I don't see anyone using him in regular questing team. He is just as irrelevant as guillotine now.
    That is because ant man is tagged as a defender which could change if he wins. And guilly is an attacker. Similar to how things synergies help him out when getting hit to the face but it is much more efficient than ant mans. For relevancy, that legends run with ant man on your team will bring you more value than guillotine ever will at her current state seeing as so many mystics, techs, and science champs do what she does, better. Ant man is awful, but still has relevancy for synergy purposes. Otherwise without a doubt ant man deserves this overhaul more.

    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    This is totally my opinion but, mister negative is gonna be science, and mister fantastic is receiving a tune up. We need more love to the mystic class and guillotine truly seems like the right answer to receive the overhaul. She has been overshadowed by g2099, warlock, human torch, void, civil warrior even. Ant man definitely deserves an overhaul eventually, but in our current meta, mystic really needs the help right now. That is all.

    Show us your roster. Considering the way that you are hyping up Glancing - the most powerful offensive ability there is -, I think you have a 6 star or a 5 star Gully and need her buffed. Seriously though, the synergy with ghost is the only useful synergy antman has offensively and even with that synergy he hits bad. Do you not realize that glancing requires you to block attacks and take hits and that is something no one wishes to do when playing a character?. Mr.f tune up still makes him a supporting character and not someone who will be used primarily.
    Its quite the opposite actually, and in what way shape or form was i hyping up his glancing?




    These synergies help ant man gain some pretty decent attack bonuses for glancing and placing debuffs on the opponent, and iffy poison damage. Compared to guillotines synergies

    This is your quote. he gains decent bonuses for glancing. Tell me how to glance attacks without taking hits to the face or to the block. These are the synergies that you showed
    Wasp: When glancing hits - Needs to get hit or block
    Ronin: Inflict fatigue when struck - Needs to get hit
    Psycho-Man - Sp1 inflicts stagger
    Doc Oc - Glancing reflects damage - Needs to get hit or block
    Ghost - Increase attack for each debuff on defender

    Of the 5, only 2 are useful offensively unless you like to get hit a lot. Even the Psycho man synergy is useless most of the time since it does nothing to increase your damage and it is with psycho man - arguably the weakest hitting character released this year.

    Now let's see for Guillotine
    Stryfe: Souls last longer and are paused during specials
    NT: Each soul grants crit rating
    Gamora: Increased chance to gain soul charge
    Ronin: Gain soul charge
    Morningstar: Souls last longer
    G2099: Increased bleed potency and duration

    Every synergy is an offensive one. She has more synergies than antman, more useful ones and with good and useful characters. I have no idea how you are saying antman is more relevant than guillotine considering she was the OG wolverine counter before void and CAIW and other champs came in. She has one of the highest SP3 damage potential in the game. She definitely needs a moderate update to her numbers and abilities, but no way in hell is she as bad as antman in the game.

    As far as being relevant in the game, outside of using antman for legends run, I don't see anyone using him in regular questing team. He is just as irrelevant as guillotine now.
    Pulyaman said:

    Pulyaman said:

    This is totally my opinion but, mister negative is gonna be science, and mister fantastic is receiving a tune up. We need more love to the mystic class and guillotine truly seems like the right answer to receive the overhaul. She has been overshadowed by g2099, warlock, human torch, void, civil warrior even. Ant man definitely deserves an overhaul eventually, but in our current meta, mystic really needs the help right now. That is all.

    Show us your roster. Considering the way that you are hyping up Glancing - the most powerful offensive ability there is -, I think you have a 6 star or a 5 star Gully and need her buffed. Seriously though, the synergy with ghost is the only useful synergy antman has offensively and even with that synergy he hits bad. Do you not realize that glancing requires you to block attacks and take hits and that is something no one wishes to do when playing a character?. Mr.f tune up still makes him a supporting character and not someone who will be used primarily.
    Its quite the opposite actually, and in what way shape or form was i hyping up his glancing?




    These synergies help ant man gain some pretty decent attack bonuses for glancing and placing debuffs on the opponent, and iffy poison damage. Compared to guillotines synergies

    This is your quote. he gains decent bonuses for glancing. Tell me how to glance attacks without taking hits to the face or to the block. These are the synergies that you showed
    Wasp: When glancing hits - Needs to get hit or block
    Ronin: Inflict fatigue when struck - Needs to get hit
    Psycho-Man - Sp1 inflicts stagger
    Doc Oc - Glancing reflects damage - Needs to get hit or block
    Ghost - Increase attack for each debuff on defender

    Of the 5, only 2 are useful offensively unless you like to get hit a lot. Even the Psycho man synergy is useless most of the time since it does nothing to increase your damage and it is with psycho man - arguably the weakest hitting character released this year.

    Now let's see for Guillotine
    Stryfe: Souls last longer and are paused during specials
    NT: Each soul grants crit rating
    Gamora: Increased chance to gain soul charge
    Ronin: Gain soul charge
    Morningstar: Souls last longer
    G2099: Increased bleed potency and duration

    Every synergy is an offensive one. She has more synergies than antman, more useful ones and with good and useful characters. I have no idea how you are saying antman is more relevant than guillotine considering she was the OG wolverine counter before void and CAIW and other champs came in. She has one of the highest SP3 damage potential in the game. She definitely needs a moderate update to her numbers and abilities, but no way in hell is she as bad as antman in the game.

    As far as being relevant in the game, outside of using antman for legends run, I don't see anyone using him in regular questing team. He is just as irrelevant as guillotine now.
    That is because ant man is tagged as a defender which could change if he wins. And guilly is an attacker. Similar to how things synergies help him out when getting hit to the face but it is much more efficient than ant mans. For relevancy, that legends run with ant man on your team will bring you more value than guillotine ever will at her current state seeing as so many mystics, techs, and science champs do what she does, better. Ant man is awful, but still has relevancy for synergy purposes. Otherwise without a doubt ant man deserves this overhaul more.
    Guillotine had her day in the limelight. She was the og heal reversal queen when she came out. Synergy purpose is not relavence. How are you not understanding this. People actually want to play the character. Why do you think white mags gets used so much. He is a good synergy partner and has uses. Ant man has been useless since release. Champions always get replaced once meta changes. By your logic blade needs a update becuase he has been surpassed by nick fury.
    And FYI colossus is tagged defender and his update was great.
    Her day has passed and is no longer unique. And you know blade is still relevant with his regen and danger sense. Also im telling you ant mans current synergies requires him to get hit in the face because hes tagged as a defender, im not saying its gonna stay that way when he gets an overhaul, i was responding to your claim that im saying glancing is the best ability. Also beardo glances attacks on his block and hes godly, it just doesn’t work that way for ant man but he isnt the most useless champion if you have an imagination. Try your best to enhance guilly, youll always be finding her on the bench, whereas ant man benefits from his synergies and benefits the synergy partner. Not that the synergies really effect ant man but he still has his uses being a support champion
    Guilly is still better than Antman in total damage and utility. Both may be on the bench but Guilly has a lot more uses than antman even with synergies
    Those uses gets canceled out as it becomes more common, thats the issue. Her abilities arent unique. There isnt a situation where you would want to bring guilly for a heal reverse fight instead of most science and tech champs. Without aynergies guilly is the better champion. But you’re not gonna be using her at all. Whereas ant man will make it to your team for synergies, which makes him better overall.
  • ChaosMax1012ChaosMax1012 Member Posts: 3,113 ★★★★★
    I want ant man to get the overhaul, but its like rich gets richer in the science class, because spider man is getting an overhaul, mister negative is getting added, mister fantastic is getting a tune up, and what’s going on for mystics? A hood buff that got delayed. Of course within the coming months a few mystics potentially will get buffs or tune ups, but as of right now, the mystic class has a ways to go to become more meta. Im not trying to downplay or make any of these 2 classes look worse or better than they truly are, as the meta shifts, perhaps mystic will become the best class and i will have wanted to vote for ant man instead, but in this case, mystic needs some love.
  • ChaosMax1012ChaosMax1012 Member Posts: 3,113 ★★★★★
    Both champions were in the game for a long time so thats not even a valid argument, and at the time of their release, there were much less players. As more and more summoners came along, they had an even chance of pulling ant man and guilly. And people back then used to use the ant man and yellowjacket for the attack bonus, and magik was the more sought after champion.
  • ChaosMax1012ChaosMax1012 Member Posts: 3,113 ★★★★★
    Also if most of the mystic class is better than the one champion, that makes it no different from one of the worst science champs being miles behind the majority, damn near the whole science class actually. But again, ant man for this reason is more valuable when it comes to synergies.
  • ChaosMax1012ChaosMax1012 Member Posts: 3,113 ★★★★★
    Even though guilly can be used, you arent going to because her damage isnt the best, utility is too common, synergies have no significant impact.
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  • Shock29Shock29 Member Posts: 571 ★★★
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    At her base, Guilly is a more outdated champ in need of a buff. We can both agree on that. However, regardless of better options, Guilly can still be used and is overall better than Antman even with a full synergy team. Guilly doesn't need an overhaul. She is already decent but Antman does. You keep saying that his synergy use makes him way better but it really doesn't. Once he's on the team, he is deadspace while if Guilly was on the team, she is not even if there are better options. We don't want champs that can't be used anywhere else but synergies. We want champs that can be actually used and are not wasted space on teams. Its those champs that really need the overhaul. Does Guilly qualify as a champ with little to no use on offense? Can you really call her a dud and compare her to Juggs or IF? She is not as bad as Antman if we just reduce it to abilites and offensive use. Ignore synergies and better options, Just answer this. Who is better based just on abilites and who would you choose to take to clear content if you could only pick between them?
  • GoddessIliasGoddessIlias Member Posts: 706 ★★★★
    I voted guillotine cuz she was the only one I had a 6* of lol
  • ChaosMax1012ChaosMax1012 Member Posts: 3,113 ★★★★★
    Keep in mind, im voting guilly because i love her design and think its better for the game overall. People are voting ant man because hes ant man, and thats alright, more people like ant man over guilly. I just want to inform people how stacked the science class already is, but if he gets buffed, ill be pumped up to see how he turns out. Which is most likely the case. Best of luck to both champs, and guilly FTW!!!!
  • Shock29Shock29 Member Posts: 571 ★★★

    Keep in mind, im voting guilly because i love her design and think its better for the game overall. People are voting ant man because hes ant man, and thats alright, more people like ant man over guilly. I just want to inform people how stacked the science class already is, but if he gets buffed, ill be pumped up to see how he turns out. Which is most likely the case. Best of luck to both champs, and guilly FTW!!!!

    I respect your vote and understand it to a certain extent. I also can tell that neither one of us will be able to convince each other to vote for the champion we support. So, like you said, may the best canidate win, Antman FTW!!!
  • Wu_Bangerz23Wu_Bangerz23 Member Posts: 1,002 ★★★

    No_oneuk said:

    no it dont

    Void, she hulk, spider gwen, thing, mister fantastic who was already good, cap iw, spider ham, spider man miles morales who is receiving an overhaul, red hulk, quake, immortal hulk, wasp, iabom. What more do you want of the science class???

    Meanwhile here are our top mystics. Tigra, doom, claire, magik, morningstar (for incursions), dragon man, mephisto, sym supreme, sorc supreme, mangog. Now take into consideration how many of these champs are used for the same purpose.
    Left out VooDoo, Longshot, Mojo, Sasquatch.....so that makes 14 pretty good to god tier champs.....at least 3 of which are top 10 in the game. Tech needs a boost more than any class but they didn't give us that option. I'd argue Mystic and Mutant are the most loaded and can go a while before needing buffs.

    And for the record....Of all the champs, an Ant-man buff intrigues me the least....Of all them I want to see an Agent Venom overhaul
  • The_Sentry06The_Sentry06 Member Posts: 7,786 ★★★★★

    Keep in mind, im voting guilly because i love her design and think its better for the game overall. People are voting ant man because hes ant man, and thats alright, more people like ant man over guilly. I just want to inform people how stacked the science class already is, but if he gets buffed, ill be pumped up to see how he turns out. Which is most likely the case. Best of luck to both champs, and guilly FTW!!!!

    Respect for not being salty and dissing insults like others here. This is what makes these kind of events fun, proper valid points from both sides.
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  • Karatemike415Karatemike415 Member, Administrator, Content Creators Posts: 724 Content Creator

    nah I’m still voting ant-man

    unless @Karatemike415 changes his mind and does a guillotine cosplay then I’d consider it

    Ummm no one said that it was against the rules to cosplay as Guillotine while voting for Ant-Man...
  • ChaosMax1012ChaosMax1012 Member Posts: 3,113 ★★★★★

    No_oneuk said:

    no it dont

    Void, she hulk, spider gwen, thing, mister fantastic who was already good, cap iw, spider ham, spider man miles morales who is receiving an overhaul, red hulk, quake, immortal hulk, wasp, iabom. What more do you want of the science class???

    Meanwhile here are our top mystics. Tigra, doom, claire, magik, morningstar (for incursions), dragon man, mephisto, sym supreme, sorc supreme, mangog. Now take into consideration how many of these champs are used for the same purpose.
    Left out VooDoo, Longshot, Mojo, Sasquatch.....so that makes 14 pretty good to god tier champs.....at least 3 of which are top 10 in the game. Tech needs a boost more than any class but they didn't give us that option. I'd argue Mystic and Mutant are the most loaded and can go a while before needing buffs.

    And for the record....Of all the champs, an Ant-man buff intrigues me the least....Of all them I want to see an Agent Venom overhaul
    Mystic over skill? Nick fury, aegon, falcon, mole god, ronin, crossbones, taskmaster, spider man stealth, killmonger,og bp (on paper), king pin, night thrasher, jabari panther, hit monkey, BWDO, maybe even elsa.

    Mystic over cosmic? Corvus, CGR, Hyperion, venom, angela, medusa, cull, proxima, terrax, red goblin, black bolt, hela with odin, and odin potentially, VTD.

    Mystic over science? I’ve listed the champs previously.

    Many great mystic champs but the issue is they consist of the same purpose. I find tigra the most unique mystic and intriguing. Looking back at the tech class, it too could use a lot of work, but unfortunately None are in the poll.
  • ChaosMax1012ChaosMax1012 Member Posts: 3,113 ★★★★★

    nah I’m still voting ant-man

    unless @Karatemike415 changes his mind and does a guillotine cosplay then I’d consider it

    Ummm no one said that it was against the rules to cosplay as Guillotine while voting for Ant-Man...
    You would look beautiful @Karatemike415
  • PulyamanPulyaman Member Posts: 2,365 ★★★★★

    Both champions were in the game for a long time so thats not even a valid argument, and at the time of their release, there were much less players. As more and more summoners came along, they had an even chance of pulling ant man and guilly. And people back then used to use the ant man and yellowjacket for the attack bonus, and magik was the more sought after champion.

    This is a ridiculous argument you continue to make that makes no sense. No one wants to pull a champ just for synergies. I get that you like gully to get buffed, but don't say antman is relevant because he has synergies. When was the last time someone used that synergy? Name me one champ that could reverse heal before void came along other than gully. Calling science class stacked is like calling mutant class mediocre.
    I will say this again so that you can understand. Making it into a team is not a good characteristic for a champion. I will give you a great example. Deadpool X force is very important for his synergy with Nick fury. You think he doesnt need a buff because he is relevant in that synergy? Champion abilities overlap a lot in the game and it is a fact that some champs get replaced over time because better ones come along. Gully had her time, now she has been replaced. That does not mean some new player cannot use her when he/she pulls her. But antman is a waste even if you pull him one day one or if you pull him once you explored abyss. How are you not getting this? Saying Gully needs a buff is one thing, saying she needs it more than antman because synergy is pure stubbornness to not see how bad antman really is.
  • ChaosMax1012ChaosMax1012 Member Posts: 3,113 ★★★★★
    Pulyaman said:

    Both champions were in the game for a long time so thats not even a valid argument, and at the time of their release, there were much less players. As more and more summoners came along, they had an even chance of pulling ant man and guilly. And people back then used to use the ant man and yellowjacket for the attack bonus, and magik was the more sought after champion.

    This is a ridiculous argument you continue to make that makes no sense. No one wants to pull a champ just for synergies. I get that you like gully to get buffed, but don't say antman is relevant because he has synergies. When was the last time someone used that synergy? Name me one champ that could reverse heal before void came along other than gully. Calling science class stacked is like calling mutant class mediocre.
    I will say this again so that you can understand. Making it into a team is not a good characteristic for a champion. I will give you a great example. Deadpool X force is very important for his synergy with Nick fury. You think he doesnt need a buff because he is relevant in that synergy? Champion abilities overlap a lot in the game and it is a fact that some champs get replaced over time because better ones come along. Gully had her time, now she has been replaced. That does not mean some new player cannot use her when he/she pulls her. But antman is a waste even if you pull him one day one or if you pull him once you explored abyss. How are you not getting this? Saying Gully needs a buff is one thing, saying she needs it more than antman because synergy is pure stubbornness to not see how bad antman really is.
    You mistake me for saying they dont need a buff at all. Im saying ant man doesnt NEED a buff right NOW. And bringing up dpx is a horrible analogy because hes apart of the best class right now that had colossus get a complete overhaul and is a monster, and magnetos buff is crazy. In our current meta tech and mystic are the weakest classes which is why i see guilly needing the buff more, but again, best of luck to whoever wins because its not that serious, both champs need it, i think guilly NEEDS it more, and other people WANT ant mans more, which is their opinion that i can respect, im just helping them view things through my perspective in case they are missing some key details while they voted.
  • ChaosMax1012ChaosMax1012 Member Posts: 3,113 ★★★★★
    Pulyaman said:

    Both champions were in the game for a long time so thats not even a valid argument, and at the time of their release, there were much less players. As more and more summoners came along, they had an even chance of pulling ant man and guilly. And people back then used to use the ant man and yellowjacket for the attack bonus, and magik was the more sought after champion.

    This is a ridiculous argument you continue to make that makes no sense. No one wants to pull a champ just for synergies. I get that you like gully to get buffed, but don't say antman is relevant because he has synergies. When was the last time someone used that synergy? Name me one champ that could reverse heal before void came along other than gully. Calling science class stacked is like calling mutant class mediocre.
    I will say this again so that you can understand. Making it into a team is not a good characteristic for a champion. I will give you a great example. Deadpool X force is very important for his synergy with Nick fury. You think he doesnt need a buff because he is relevant in that synergy? Champion abilities overlap a lot in the game and it is a fact that some champs get replaced over time because better ones come along. Gully had her time, now she has been replaced. That does not mean some new player cannot use her when he/she pulls her. But antman is a waste even if you pull him one day one or if you pull him once you explored abyss. How are you not getting this? Saying Gully needs a buff is one thing, saying she needs it more than antman because synergy is pure stubbornness to not see how bad antman really is.
    LOL. Ok.
  • PulyamanPulyaman Member Posts: 2,365 ★★★★★

    Pulyaman said:

    Both champions were in the game for a long time so thats not even a valid argument, and at the time of their release, there were much less players. As more and more summoners came along, they had an even chance of pulling ant man and guilly. And people back then used to use the ant man and yellowjacket for the attack bonus, and magik was the more sought after champion.

    This is a ridiculous argument you continue to make that makes no sense. No one wants to pull a champ just for synergies. I get that you like gully to get buffed, but don't say antman is relevant because he has synergies. When was the last time someone used that synergy? Name me one champ that could reverse heal before void came along other than gully. Calling science class stacked is like calling mutant class mediocre.
    I will say this again so that you can understand. Making it into a team is not a good characteristic for a champion. I will give you a great example. Deadpool X force is very important for his synergy with Nick fury. You think he doesnt need a buff because he is relevant in that synergy? Champion abilities overlap a lot in the game and it is a fact that some champs get replaced over time because better ones come along. Gully had her time, now she has been replaced. That does not mean some new player cannot use her when he/she pulls her. But antman is a waste even if you pull him one day one or if you pull him once you explored abyss. How are you not getting this? Saying Gully needs a buff is one thing, saying she needs it more than antman because synergy is pure stubbornness to not see how bad antman really is.
    You mistake me for saying they dont need a buff at all. Im saying ant man doesnt NEED a buff right NOW. And bringing up dpx is a horrible analogy because hes apart of the best class right now that had colossus get a complete overhaul and is a monster, and magnetos buff is crazy. In our current meta tech and mystic are the weakest classes which is why i see guilly needing the buff more, but again, best of luck to whoever wins because its not that serious, both champs need it, i think guilly NEEDS it more, and other people WANT ant mans more, which is their opinion that i can respect, im just helping them view things through my perspective in case they are missing some key details while they voted.
    Everyone has a perspective. I think gully does not NEED an overhaul at all, just a moderate update. Antman definitely NEEDS a overhaul and is due one for a long time. I usually am not so passionate about the topic, but antman is a dud. When people hype him up as some sort of synergy king, it just irks me because Hood and wasp are way more useful for ghost than antman in regular questing. If we look at the whole mystic class, the champions that need a overhaul are Diablo, UC( Not sure since he is a trophy), Iron fist, Immortal IF(Again, trophy). Even these champs have good base kits. All the other duds you mentioned will become great with just a moderate update.
  • TalharajpootTalharajpoot Member Posts: 381 ★★

    No_oneuk said:

    no it dont

    Void, she hulk, spider gwen, thing, mister fantastic who was already good, cap iw, spider ham, spider man miles morales who is receiving an overhaul, red hulk, quake, immortal hulk, wasp, iabom. What more do you want of the science class???

    Meanwhile here are our top mystics. Tigra, doom, claire, magik, morningstar (for incursions), dragon man, mephisto, sym supreme, sorc supreme, mangog. Now take into consideration how many of these champs are used for the same purpose.
    You forgot longshot
  • SpideyFunkoSpideyFunko Member Posts: 21,941 ★★★★★

    nah I’m still voting ant-man

    unless @Karatemike415 changes his mind and does a guillotine cosplay then I’d consider it

    Ummm no one said that it was against the rules to cosplay as Guillotine while voting for Ant-Man...

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  • ChaosMax1012ChaosMax1012 Member Posts: 3,113 ★★★★★
    RekMan said:

    Pulyaman said:

    Where do the rest of the mystics fall in? You left out dormammu, Diablo, ghost rider, loki, mangog manthing. I mean sure, if you leave most of the mystics out, it does seem science has more studs. At least attempt to look fair mate.😂

    I didnt even realize i left out diablo. But the rest you just listed arent duds. People use manthing in top tier AQ, loki to counter champions with a lot of buffs, and mangog has decent utility but under average damage, but not in the same tier as juggs. Dormmamu just needs more damage, but i wouldnt quit the game if i pulled him, i quite enjoy playing him still, hes one of the more unique mystics. Ghost rider has great sustainability, and has immunity to bleed and incinerate, along with decent synergies, but again, his main issue is damage. As far as fairness goes, im trying my best to list all the facts of both sides, i might miss some which is partly why i ask for feedback. In my perspective, it seems like the science class has a power house of champs along with the best champion in the game being quake, and many have a unique playstyle, whilst mystics have similar uses in controlling power and buffs.
    I don't like it when people say oh those guys aren't duds. Yeah maybe their fine for progressing players, but my loki and ghost rider? rank one. Ghost rider is over, cgr far outshines him and other champions can end fights quicker. Blade is ok but outgrown. Man thing is underrated but hes for synergies and niche fights with lots of buffs. Dormamu? Absolute garbage. One of my first five stars. Commited to learning him. He's bad. Two hit combs can keep the opponent from ever throwing a speical but it takes so long and his energy damage can be used against him so much nowadays. Yeah quake is broken, but Id rather throw one special two with ghost than spend 1 minute holding heavy and dexing.
    Im playing a game called marvels contest of champions, you must be mistaken.
  • ChaosMax1012ChaosMax1012 Member Posts: 3,113 ★★★★★
    RekMan said:

    Lol. Care to explain the disagrees?

    Yes, science has lots of good character. And I think its fine to add more because they arent broken. Wasp? yeah she's ok but Im using ghost instead of her. Immortal Ibomb? thanks but id rather end the fight in a few seconds with corvus. Cap Iw and void? thanks but ill skip the awakening and max sig and just take my doom in have 10 blocked hits and win the fight. Science is full of good champions but other classes have broken ones so its fine. Not to mention a lot of those champs arent going to be used as much as the god and beyond god tiers.
    This is like saying, oh yes the entire science class is great but, i think ill just use ghost for every fight. Dont downplay a whole class just because you voted a champion in it. You know you’re lying to yourself, and ant man probably won anyway, so this is just nonsense sorry to say. Also once again someone disrespecting the bearded boy. He doesnt need max sig, fine unawakened, just gains a but more utility on top of him being an unstoppable counter, perfect blocks, energy resistance, 100% DAAR when throwing an sp1, high damage, stun on s2. As for void, tell that to every high tier war player so they can laugh at you.
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