Was ghost nerfed Daredevil

KindaGomans3KindaGomans3 Member Posts: 174
edited May 2021 in General Discussion
Why can't ghost phase dare devil, I was in arena and found this out and I asked my alliance and they told me it's no bug it's meant to be and I looked back in the forums and apparently it was changed because dd had enhanced awareness or something but that doesn't make sense she can phase through anything that's the point it's not about awareness, next they'll say other characters can miss because there aware

Was ghost nerfed Daredevil 103 votes

No she wasn't
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Yes she was
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  • TheLegionMasterTheLegionMaster Member Posts: 380 ★★★
    No she wasn't
    Also, just because they are “aware” doesn’t mean that it isn’t possible. In essence, true strike is supposed to be your champion anticipating your opponents moves. The same goes for whatever awareness mechanic you’re talking about. Daredevil has radar senses, so he can make out Ghosts form, even though she’s phasing. This allows him to hit characters such as Invisible Woman, Hood, and yes, even Ghost.
  • manveertherealmanveerthereal Member Posts: 1,363 ★★★
    No she wasn't
    she gets hit by him for the same reason why prof x can hit her they bypass miss
  • Dr_Z01dbergDr_Z01dberg Member Posts: 512 ★★★
    No she wasn't

    It's not the same thing as not being able to see invisible woman but hear her it's about SHE CAN PHASE THROUGH SOLID OBJECTS

    It makes the same sense as Dormammu who literally eats worlds for a snack can be easily defeated by a monkey with a small gun...

    The moral of the story is that Game balance and marvel lore doesn’t always match up so if your worried about not being able to phase against DDHK then use someone else for that fight
  • Dr_Z01dbergDr_Z01dberg Member Posts: 512 ★★★
    No she wasn't
    Hoitado said:

    Why is this a poll?

    Because OP likes to know the scale of how wrong he is 😉
  • SungjSungj Member Posts: 2,113 ★★★★★
    No she wasn't
    The same game laws that allows daredevil to fight and win against thanos are the same laws that allow him to bypass ghost's miss
  • KindaGomans3KindaGomans3 Member Posts: 174
    Yes she was

    Also, just because they are “aware” doesn’t mean that it isn’t possible. In essence, true strike is supposed to be your champion anticipating your opponents moves. The same goes for whatever awareness mechanic you’re talking about. Daredevil has radar senses, so he can make out Ghosts form, even though she’s phasing. This allows him to hit characters such as Invisible Woman, Hood, and yes, even Ghost.

    Lol that doesn't make sense those character can go invisible

    Daredevil can bypass miss abilities. Ghost can’t phase through his attacks.

    That doesn't make sense
    Does Human torch being so hot that he can hit ghost phasing make sense?

    Does Nick fury throwing some equipment at ghost mean it makes sense for him to avoid missing?

    Does stealth spidey putting foam on ghost make sense that it means he can hit her?

    This game requires some suspension of disbelief, if you take everything logically and scientifically you just can’t play it without seeing inconsistencies. How can hulk hit Hawkeye without him dying? How can black widow hit Korg without breaking her hands?
    It makes sense because of there abilities this makes no sense especially given the line of text to explain it
  • KindaGomans3KindaGomans3 Member Posts: 174
    Yes she was

  • TitoBandito187TitoBandito187 Member Posts: 2,072 ★★★★
    Several threads on this one already. It's not a nerf to ghost (she didn't lose anything). It was a buff to DareDevil to provide a counter for a fairly niche ability. Every champ has a counter or will at some point and more will come over time. One champ countering another is not a nerf.

    Also, this game doesn't go by by comic lore. And even of it did, there are so many variations, writers can make a storyline go anyway they want.

    There are so many different interactions in this game that should or shouldn't happen. It's all made up and the rules are based on what Kabam decides (under the guise of the grandmaster leveling the playing field for the contest). Come on ,NF is a guy with a gun and a knife and he's better than cosmic beings, dimensional entities, ancient sorceror, hulks, etc. It is what it is for the sake of making the game interest ING and fun in the grand scheme of things
  • Raichu626Raichu626 Member Posts: 934 ★★★★
    edited May 2021
    No she wasn't

    Daredevil can bypass miss abilities. Ghost can’t phase through his attacks.

    That doesn't make sense
    Does Human torch being so hot that he can hit ghost phasing make sense?

    Does Nick fury throwing some equipment at ghost mean it makes sense for him to avoid missing?

    Does stealth spidey putting foam on ghost make sense that it means he can hit her?

    This game requires some suspension of disbelief, if you take everything logically and scientifically you just can’t play it without seeing inconsistencies. How can hulk hit Hawkeye without him dying? How can black widow hit Korg without breaking her hands?
    Why does gamma radiation give Hulk superpowers? That doesn't make any sense, that's not how gamma radiation works.

    On the topic of Hulk, DD hitting Ghost makes as much sense as the Hulk being so angry at his deceased Dad that he was able to beat up Doctor Strange's astral form. That's a thing that happened afaik. Don't try to apply logic to something it isn't meant to be applied to.
  • Eb0ny-O-M4wEb0ny-O-M4w Member Posts: 14,004 ★★★★★
    It was a "buff" for daredevil.
    Read his abilities
  • manveertherealmanveerthereal Member Posts: 1,363 ★★★
    No she wasn't

    Daredevil can bypass miss abilities. Ghost can’t phase through his attacks.

    That doesn't make sense
    Does Human torch being so hot that he can hit ghost phasing make sense?

    Does Nick fury throwing some equipment at ghost mean it makes sense for him to avoid missing?

    Does stealth spidey putting foam on ghost make sense that it means he can hit her?

    This game requires some suspension of disbelief, if you take everything logically and scientifically you just can’t play it without seeing inconsistencies. How can hulk hit Hawkeye without him dying? How can black widow hit Korg without breaking her hands?
    my Thanos cant wipe out half the quest with a snap
  • Marvel_GMarvel_G Member Posts: 50
    Daredevil is blind and the idea behind is that he can feel where ghost is doesn’t need to see her, because again he is blind. Whether an opponent is invisible or not is indifferent to him. He can’t SEE!!!
  • StevieManWonderStevieManWonder Member Posts: 5,019 ★★★★★
    It doesn't make sense because Phasing is hugely different from being Invisible, but it's for the sake of balance in the game.
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  • SeraphionSeraphion Member Posts: 1,496 ★★★★

    Also, just because they are “aware” doesn’t mean that it isn’t possible. In essence, true strike is supposed to be your champion anticipating your opponents moves. The same goes for whatever awareness mechanic you’re talking about. Daredevil has radar senses, so he can make out Ghosts form, even though she’s phasing. This allows him to hit characters such as Invisible Woman, Hood, and yes, even Ghost.

    Don't try it with logic. You can't hit what is not there.

    It is just kabam introduceing more Ghost counters. I don't like that too much but I can see why they do it.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,640 Guardian

    I mean it’s a fair point, even if you know “where” something is doesn’t mean you should be able to touch it if it is intangible, but its just another thing to be aware of as a Ghostie. By lore logic it doesn’t make sense but eh maybe iso-8 enhanced his abilities to reach through quantum space 🥴

    While Ghost is phasing she shouldn't be able to hit you either. I presume that at any moment in time parts of Ghost are more or less tangible. A sighted person is generally going to miss Ghost while she is phasing because they would be aiming for the parts they can see. But Daredevil can't see Ghost, he can only detect the parts that are tangible with his radar sense. So to Daredevil, Ghost is a shifting pattern of semisolid blobs floating in the air, and that's what he targets when he swings.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,640 Guardian
    Seraphion said:

    Also, just because they are “aware” doesn’t mean that it isn’t possible. In essence, true strike is supposed to be your champion anticipating your opponents moves. The same goes for whatever awareness mechanic you’re talking about. Daredevil has radar senses, so he can make out Ghosts form, even though she’s phasing. This allows him to hit characters such as Invisible Woman, Hood, and yes, even Ghost.

    Don't try it with logic. You can't hit what is not there.

    It is just kabam introduceing more Ghost counters. I don't like that too much but I can see why they do it.
    Actually, there's only one miss mechanic. So when they made Daredevil able to counter miss, they had to make him counter all misses everywhere, regardless of their conceptual origin. They didn't specifically target Ghost. To make Daredevil not counter Ghost they would have had to do significantly more work, and probably invent a whole new miss mechanic just for Ghost.

    The game's characters are translated into the game mechanics, and then the game's mechanics take over. The game doesn't attempt to simulate comic book logic, as if that was even a thing you could consistently simulate. It evokes them with what's available in the game engine, and everything works on the basis of reasonable fit, not perfect fit. There is no perfect fitting of the wide range of comic book fictions into the game mechanics.

    Ghost's abilities are illogical on their face. They don't make sense all by themselves, before discussing anything else's interactions with them. You have to get over that first, before you can consider how they might interact with any other character's abilities, and you have to cut an enormous amount of slack to make even remotely plausible interactions.
  • Hammerbro_64Hammerbro_64 Member Posts: 7,463 ★★★★★
    DNA3000 said:

    I mean it’s a fair point, even if you know “where” something is doesn’t mean you should be able to touch it if it is intangible, but its just another thing to be aware of as a Ghostie. By lore logic it doesn’t make sense but eh maybe iso-8 enhanced his abilities to reach through quantum space 🥴

    While Ghost is phasing she shouldn't be able to hit you either. I presume that at any moment in time parts of Ghost are more or less tangible. A sighted person is generally going to miss Ghost while she is phasing because they would be aiming for the parts they can see. But Daredevil can't see Ghost, he can only detect the parts that are tangible with his radar sense. So to Daredevil, Ghost is a shifting pattern of semisolid blobs floating in the air, and that's what he targets when he swings.
    I mean like bittersteel said it deactivates as you initiate an attack. She isn’t floating blobs, she is gone from her current material plane. Case in point: her walking through walls in AM&W. If someone can punch in the right place to hit a phasing ghost, humans and body armor being less dense than a concrete wall should render her unable to walk through walls which she clearly is able to do.

    I see it as less of a lore thing and more of a “we can’t have her counter everything” and “it’s too much work to decide who’s anti-miss ability should count and who’s shouldn’t” and then all the coding for all of that.
  • mattressmattress Member Posts: 485 ★★★

    Daredevil can bypass miss abilities. Ghost can’t phase through his attacks.

    I learned this the hard way.lol
  • SkyLord7000SkyLord7000 Member Posts: 4,000 ★★★★★

    she gets hit by him for the same reason why prof x can hit her they bypass miss

    The battle prof X has with said champ is in the mind realm so he can alter things like that.

    Not a ghost nerf tho
  • AMS94AMS94 Member Posts: 1,776 ★★★★★
    No she wasn't
    I wouldn't call it a nerf since they didn't actually made any changes to Ghost, but it's an interaction that doesn't make sense when u think about it (like many others in the game)
    It was just a way to give a minor buff to the underwhelming DDHK overhaul
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