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Mr Negative gameplay megathread

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  • BenichisBenichis Posts: 3

  • BitterSteelBitterSteel Posts: 7,032 ★★★★★
    Benichis said:

    Hey!
    I pulled Double Mr. Negetive on yesterday's offer, i was wondering what tierclass is he in your opinion? God tier? Beyond god tier? Demi?
    Other thing,
    Rotation ( how to maximize him ) and if the Signature level is important, game changing?
    Thanks?

    I don’t really subscribe too heavily to the tier list, but I think he’s worth a rank up if you enjoy his playstyle. It’s not for everyone, but if you enjoy it go for it! He’s got a lot of power control utility, mystic ability countering and tons of other things.

    I’m just finishing off a write up I’m hoping to post tomorrow, I can tag you when it’s done! It covers rotation, strength, weaknesses, masteries etc. Let me know if you’re interested!
  • BitterSteelBitterSteel Posts: 7,032 ★★★★★
    Zurafa said:

    Been loving this guy I got from arena


    Lots of utility and playable in a few different styles

    Congrats!! I bet that degen is beefy at r3. I’m hoping to pull my own 6* from the featured 6* crystals when it resets!
  • BenichisBenichis Posts: 3
    Yeah! Would love to!
  • Texas_11Texas_11 Posts: 2,429 ★★★★★
    Thanks for the thread
  • BitterSteelBitterSteel Posts: 7,032 ★★★★★
    Benichis said:

    Yeah! Would love to!

    Cool I’ll tag when I’ve posted it :)
  • BitterSteelBitterSteel Posts: 7,032 ★★★★★
    Texas_11 said:

    Thanks for the thread

    You’re welcome!
  • BitterSteelBitterSteel Posts: 7,032 ★★★★★
    And lastly,


    The 7.2 Nova solo.

    So Mr Negative is actually an ok ish Nova counter. There are a few things to watch out for however:
    -throwing his sp1 at 75+ charges gives him true strike so you can't evade for that duration
    -getting to 100 charges makes him unblockable so watch out for that
    -hitting him while stunned will autoblock so if you do stun him, absolutely use a heavy attack. There are a couple times when I use a medium attack instead by accident and he autoblocks me while I charge my heavy, so to save myself I have to throw off an sp1. If you have light energy, just keep charging heavy to evade. However, in a war situation this would parry you, so ideally just stick to heavies.

    With that said, the petrifies do really nice work to keep his power under control, the degen does really nice damage as usual, and parrying and reparrying is really nice to build up light energy really quickly. Mastering Mr Negative's evade can help you avoid a lot of block damage in this fight.

    All in all, I wouldnt suggest Negative as your go to nova counter, but in a pinch, he's definitely an option.
  • Texas_11Texas_11 Posts: 2,429 ★★★★★
    Videos are great. Just seems to me thr jidt is not worth squeeze. They say he can never take a block but I can’t seem to get the light charges without well timed block
  • Texas_11Texas_11 Posts: 2,429 ★★★★★
    Sorry meant the juice is not worth the squeeze*
  • FluffyPigMonsterFluffyPigMonster Posts: 1,910 ★★★★★



    Time for another addition to my Mr Negative thread! Soloing X23 in labyrinth!

    I was pretty pleased by Mr Negative's performance here. I was worried going in, Mr Negative is a very parry reliant champ, and Limber really hurts him, stun immune doesn't hurt as much and I'd actually prefer to take him against stun immune than limber. At least with Stun immune you can parry and reparry to build light energy. Here, limber makes it very tough to build to 10 light energy and convert. You'll notice I parry her sp1 a lot just to build light energy.

    My game plan is to get to at least 10 light energy convert to get 10 dark energy and throw Sp2, which when you have 10 or more dark energy places two petrifies on the opponent reversing healing by 160%, plus the benefit from the degen stacks and rank 2 despair, reversing even further. After this, build to an sp2 quickly and throw it for one petrify to keep healing in check, then repeat.

    I think I got average luck with regen procs while reversed, could have been better but could have been worse. This is a fight that can be over in 2 minutes with the right regen procs, or 10 mins with bad luck.

    Overall, I think he's a very good heal reversal champ. He suffers from limber, so I'd avoid situations where you have to deal with that. But stun immune, or no nodes that affect stun, are ideal for him to build light energy.

    When you get him duped a whole new world will open up to you

    Great post
  • odishika123odishika123 Posts: 4,790 ★★★★★



    Time for another addition to my Mr Negative thread! Soloing X23 in labyrinth!

    I was pretty pleased by Mr Negative's performance here. I was worried going in, Mr Negative is a very parry reliant champ, and Limber really hurts him, stun immune doesn't hurt as much and I'd actually prefer to take him against stun immune than limber. At least with Stun immune you can parry and reparry to build light energy. Here, limber makes it very tough to build to 10 light energy and convert. You'll notice I parry her sp1 a lot just to build light energy.

    My game plan is to get to at least 10 light energy convert to get 10 dark energy and throw Sp2, which when you have 10 or more dark energy places two petrifies on the opponent reversing healing by 160%, plus the benefit from the degen stacks and rank 2 despair, reversing even further. After this, build to an sp2 quickly and throw it for one petrify to keep healing in check, then repeat.

    I think I got average luck with regen procs while reversed, could have been better but could have been worse. This is a fight that can be over in 2 minutes with the right regen procs, or 10 mins with bad luck.

    Overall, I think he's a very good heal reversal champ. He suffers from limber, so I'd avoid situations where you have to deal with that. But stun immune, or no nodes that affect stun, are ideal for him to build light energy.

    When you get him duped a whole new world will open up to you

    Great post
    I see you comment on a lot of YouTube videos
  • FluffyPigMonsterFluffyPigMonster Posts: 1,910 ★★★★★



    Time for another addition to my Mr Negative thread! Soloing X23 in labyrinth!

    I was pretty pleased by Mr Negative's performance here. I was worried going in, Mr Negative is a very parry reliant champ, and Limber really hurts him, stun immune doesn't hurt as much and I'd actually prefer to take him against stun immune than limber. At least with Stun immune you can parry and reparry to build light energy. Here, limber makes it very tough to build to 10 light energy and convert. You'll notice I parry her sp1 a lot just to build light energy.

    My game plan is to get to at least 10 light energy convert to get 10 dark energy and throw Sp2, which when you have 10 or more dark energy places two petrifies on the opponent reversing healing by 160%, plus the benefit from the degen stacks and rank 2 despair, reversing even further. After this, build to an sp2 quickly and throw it for one petrify to keep healing in check, then repeat.

    I think I got average luck with regen procs while reversed, could have been better but could have been worse. This is a fight that can be over in 2 minutes with the right regen procs, or 10 mins with bad luck.

    Overall, I think he's a very good heal reversal champ. He suffers from limber, so I'd avoid situations where you have to deal with that. But stun immune, or no nodes that affect stun, are ideal for him to build light energy.

    When you get him duped a whole new world will open up to you

    Great post
    I see you comment on a lot of YouTube videos
    I watch and comment. I am friends with a few youtubers. When I’m at work they provide nice breaks with their videos
  • BitterSteelBitterSteel Posts: 7,032 ★★★★★
    Texas_11 said:

    Videos are great. Just seems to me thr jidt is not worth squeeze. They say he can never take a block but I can’t seem to get the light charges without well timed block

    So I definitely understand where you’re coming from. But I kinda think that the no block method won’t be useful in the majority of the places you’d use him. No block method is just dexing, then dashing back to get light energy by removing the crit buff. Then you can get your opening. Heavy countering specials and their heavy is also very useful, since you get a buff from that for your light energy.

    The only times you absolutely need that is playing on 1% health, things like destructive feedback, and when block damage is insanely high. Now, those situations aren’t too common, so really you can avoid the no block method for most of the times you’ll use negative. But when you need it, it’s very powerful.

    It is also true that this playstyle is slower, and will yield less damage as you can’t build energy as quickly, but to say it’s not worth the squeeze may be underselling it a little. If you master the cycle of dex, dash back, evade, combo etc and throw in some heavy counters. It’s a very impressive skill for a champion to have in my opinion.
  • EtherealityEthereality Posts: 602 ★★★
    Lo and behold, another one of @TheManMythLegend 's twin brothers has appeared ... but this one is set on evangelizing everyone on Mr. Negative instead than Morningstar.

    Not that I am complaining though. @BitterSteel , your Mr. Neg guide of a few weeks ago converted me and I have blown and will keep blowing shards on this featured hunting for him. Thanks again for your great work on letting us all know of Neg's greatness, I will closely follow this thread and join your Line too!

    Now, do you two have other twin brothers besides @buddy_LEE ( Tigra evangelist) @Masterpuff ( Ronin evangelist), @Crcrcrc (iHulk evangelist)? We need an Elsa evangelist in this forum too you know. Wouldn't hurt to have a War Machine evangelist too me thinks. Any takers?
  • EtherealityEthereality Posts: 602 ★★★
    Benichis said:

    Hey!
    I pulled Double Mr. Negetive on yesterday's offer, i was wondering what tierclass is he in your opinion? God tier? Beyond god tier? Demi?
    Other thing,
    Rotation ( how to maximize him ) and if the Signature level is important, game changing?
    Thanks?

    I hate you.

    Joking! Congrats man!
  • BitterSteelBitterSteel Posts: 7,032 ★★★★★

    Lo and behold, another one of @TheManMythLegend 's twin brothers has appeared ... but this one is set on evangelizing everyone on Mr. Negative instead than Morningstar.

    Not that I am complaining though. @BitterSteel , your Mr. Neg guide of a few weeks ago converted me and I have blown and will keep blowing shards on this featured hunting for him. Thanks again for your great work on letting us all know of Neg's greatness, I will closely follow this thread and join your Line too!

    Now, do you two have other twin brothers besides @buddy_LEE ( Tigra evangelist) @Masterpuff ( Ronin evangelist), @Crcrcrc (iHulk evangelist)? We need an Elsa evangelist in this forum too you know. Wouldn't hurt to have a War Machine evangelist too me thinks. Any takers?

    Haha is this my thing now? Am I the Mr Negative guy?

    I'll take it! I'm glad you're a convert too!
  • EtherealityEthereality Posts: 602 ★★★

    Lo and behold, another one of @TheManMythLegend 's twin brothers has appeared ... but this one is set on evangelizing everyone on Mr. Negative instead than Morningstar.

    Not that I am complaining though. @BitterSteel , your Mr. Neg guide of a few weeks ago converted me and I have blown and will keep blowing shards on this featured hunting for him. Thanks again for your great work on letting us all know of Neg's greatness, I will closely follow this thread and join your Line too!

    Now, do you two have other twin brothers besides @buddy_LEE ( Tigra evangelist) @Masterpuff ( Ronin evangelist), @Crcrcrc (iHulk evangelist)? We need an Elsa evangelist in this forum too you know. Wouldn't hurt to have a War Machine evangelist too me thinks. Any takers?

    Haha is this my thing now? Am I the Mr Negative guy?

    I'll take it! I'm glad you're a convert too!
    It does seem so yes, LoL 😂
  • JumpthesharkJumptheshark Posts: 242 ★★
    He’s under consideration for r3. A very fun champ.
  • BitterSteelBitterSteel Posts: 7,032 ★★★★★

    He’s under consideration for r3. A very fun champ.

    I’m biased.. but do it!
  • Texas_11Texas_11 Posts: 2,429 ★★★★★
    Update:

    I figured out how to play him and damage is not game breaking. I wasn’t looking for this , but damn is it satisfying.

    Upgrade my rating to a buy now.

    I been playing him by converting the light into dark energy so I can get about 15 degen on him. Been using the furies as light energy fuel.

    I’ll take him to R3 next.

    Only question is , I can’t seem to see how significant his signature ability is.
  • SpideyFunkoSpideyFunko Posts: 19,006 ★★★★★
    Texas_11 said:

    Update:

    I figured out how to play him and damage is not game breaking. I wasn’t looking for this , but damn is it satisfying.

    Upgrade my rating to a buy now.

    I been playing him by converting the light into dark energy so I can get about 15 degen on him. Been using the furies as light energy fuel.

    I’ll take him to R3 next.

    Only question is , I can’t seem to see how significant his signature ability is.

    nodes where there’s degen (ie bane timer is ending and DDHK pops his special 1) and mystic matchups or those with lots of nullifying just add in extra damage. The dark and light energy bonuses are neat as well
  • BitterSteelBitterSteel Posts: 7,032 ★★★★★
    Texas_11 said:

    Update:

    I figured out how to play him and damage is not game breaking. I wasn’t looking for this , but damn is it satisfying.

    Upgrade my rating to a buy now.

    I been playing him by converting the light into dark energy so I can get about 15 degen on him. Been using the furies as light energy fuel.

    I’ll take him to R3 next.

    Only question is , I can’t seem to see how significant his signature ability is.

    Yeah his damage is really nice, but he isn't designed as a game breaking damage dealer - he's much more of a utility god.

    How have you been converting the light to dark? The optimal way is to get to 9 dark energy so they don't run out, then try and get as high light energy as you can (up to 11), then convert so you get 20 dark. That way you get the most damage out of him. Obviously it may not happen every time, but that's what you wanna aim for.

    RE: Sig ability, I actually really like it. It’s nice to have but not necessary, you can absolutely use him everywhere you want unawakend. Gives him a nice bit of damage when he has dark energy, a seriously beefy regen while he is degenerating (honestly almost every degen in the game will net heal you if you have a debuff or two on them), energy resistance while he has light energy and a nice bit of damage when someone tries to nullify him. All the cool stuff he can do is on his base, but his sig really shines for degen matchups.

    For example, star burst does between about 1 and 150 damage I believe, and Mr Negative heals for 350 per tick as a 5/65 sig 20, so when awakened, Mr Negative will net heal the entire time. And if you have debuffs on the opponent the tick of starburst is reduced for how many unique debuffs are on at the time.
  • odishika123odishika123 Posts: 4,790 ★★★★★



    Time for another addition to my Mr Negative thread! Soloing X23 in labyrinth!

    I was pretty pleased by Mr Negative's performance here. I was worried going in, Mr Negative is a very parry reliant champ, and Limber really hurts him, stun immune doesn't hurt as much and I'd actually prefer to take him against stun immune than limber. At least with Stun immune you can parry and reparry to build light energy. Here, limber makes it very tough to build to 10 light energy and convert. You'll notice I parry her sp1 a lot just to build light energy.

    My game plan is to get to at least 10 light energy convert to get 10 dark energy and throw Sp2, which when you have 10 or more dark energy places two petrifies on the opponent reversing healing by 160%, plus the benefit from the degen stacks and rank 2 despair, reversing even further. After this, build to an sp2 quickly and throw it for one petrify to keep healing in check, then repeat.

    I think I got average luck with regen procs while reversed, could have been better but could have been worse. This is a fight that can be over in 2 minutes with the right regen procs, or 10 mins with bad luck.

    Overall, I think he's a very good heal reversal champ. He suffers from limber, so I'd avoid situations where you have to deal with that. But stun immune, or no nodes that affect stun, are ideal for him to build light energy.

    When you get him duped a whole new world will open up to you

    Great post
    I see you comment on a lot of YouTube videos
    I watch and comment. I am friends with a few youtubers. When I’m at work they provide nice breaks with their videos
    Understandable
    Have a good day
  • StellarStellar Posts: 790 ★★★
    Nice video !

    Didi you try to use him with Venom synergy ?
    As i understand the trick is to never dashback to keep your regeneration. Not easy as you take damage but the 1% regen and SP3 regen help a lot
  • Texas_11Texas_11 Posts: 2,429 ★★★★★

    Texas_11 said:

    Update:

    I figured out how to play him and damage is not game breaking. I wasn’t looking for this , but damn is it satisfying.

    Upgrade my rating to a buy now.

    I been playing him by converting the light into dark energy so I can get about 15 degen on him. Been using the furies as light energy fuel.

    I’ll take him to R3 next.

    Only question is , I can’t seem to see how significant his signature ability is.

    Yeah his damage is really nice, but he isn't designed as a game breaking damage dealer - he's much more of a utility god.

    How have you been converting the light to dark? The optimal way is to get to 9 dark energy so they don't run out, then try and get as high light energy as you can (up to 11), then convert so you get 20 dark. That way you get the most damage out of him. Obviously it may not happen every time, but that's what you wanna aim for.

    RE: Sig ability, I actually really like it. It’s nice to have but not necessary, you can absolutely use him everywhere you want unawakend. Gives him a nice bit of damage when he has dark energy, a seriously beefy regen while he is degenerating (honestly almost every degen in the game will net heal you if you have a debuff or two on them), energy resistance while he has light energy and a nice bit of damage when someone tries to nullify him. All the cool stuff he can do is on his base, but his sig really shines for degen matchups.

    For example, star burst does between about 1 and 150 damage I believe, and Mr Negative heals for 350 per tick as a 5/65 sig 20, so when awakened, Mr Negative will net heal the entire time. And if you have debuffs on the opponent the tick of starburst is reduced for how many unique debuffs are on at the time.
    Thanks that helps a ton.
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