I have to disagree that selling iso is always a bad idea. Why use iso on ranking up champs that you will never use just so you don’t have to sell it. Selling iso instead gives you gold as well as saving you gold by not ranking up needless champs. I think many gold issues result from ranking up champs that won’t be used later on.
Last year the gold offers were fantastic. I have a lot more gold now than I did then before I purchased the offers. I run AQ map 8 entirely with gold. I usually run the featured arena for 3-9 million points and no other arenas. I did almost no battlegrounds and haven't run incursions in well over a year. Somehow I still have 68 million gold. The fact that some people can't manage their gold doesn't make the offers a horrible idea.
Congratulations on being one of the few! Everyone is not you! When you are in the minority (and you RESOUNDINGLY are), offers will not be tailored to your resource excesses, but toward what the majority of the community needs.
Well, money offers are tailored to "the few" as well, lol. I am an arena grinder, and i have ZERO issues with gold spend. my gold hasnt budged AFTER many rankups and i am still sitting at 13million bcs, and 60 million gold. The fact that you cant keep up with gold spend is your issue. WHy not leave it to the player to make the decision?
Last year the gold offers were fantastic. I have a lot more gold now than I did then before I purchased the offers. I run AQ map 8 entirely with gold. I usually run the featured arena for 3-9 million points and no other arenas. I did almost no battlegrounds and haven't run incursions in well over a year. Somehow I still have 68 million gold. The fact that some people can't manage their gold doesn't make the offers a horrible idea.
Congratulations on being one of the few! Everyone is not you! When you are in the minority (and you RESOUNDINGLY are), offers will not be tailored to your resource excesses, but toward what the majority of the community needs.
Do you honestly not see the hypocrisy in this post? Everyone is not you wither, Dragon.
This is such a terrible way to respond to people and it's not even the worst. Do better.
1. I always enjoy a detailed analysis complete with stats on the game. I much prefer that to just opinion pieces (usually) because it provides the community with the facts and allows them to decide the merit of the argument. Thanks for including so much in your post.
2. “Let's start with the obvious. It's a good thing there were no gold offers.“ I don’t want to full quote because those people annoy the heck out of me on long posts. While this may follow your line of thinking, clearly it is not “obvious” because of the previously stated massive thread of people wanting a better event (and most seem to think that gold offers would have achieved that).
3. Your seem to have multiple arguments, so I’ll break them up into more bitesize chunks for my commentary. "I'm Paragon...I cannot keep up with gold spend.... I cannot keep up with the resources I have coming in. It took stepping down to a lower tier alliance, stopping my rank ups for a couple of weeks, and grinding arena, to swing things in the other direction. For someone who does not grind arena or does not do EQ? It's almost impossible to swing the gold gain in the other direction unless you are already sitting on a surplus of gold." Your biggest argument seems to be that there is an overall shortage of gold available in the game. While I have heard that from a lot of players, it seems like the wrong mindset to have, or at least like you need to qualify your terms better. You can still play on a functioning account and enjoy almost all gameplay aspects of the game if you were to never rank up another champion. While content might get out of your skillset eventually, there is nothing (other than peer pressure or super specific nodes) that require a specific champ to be ranked up for normal gameplay. This highlights the point that if you only ever ranked up champs that were absolutely essential to get past certain pieces of content (I'll eg. a throwback of 1* Hulk here for that Variant lane), you would likely only use a small fraction of the gold that you actually use. This matters because "lack of gold" really refers to "less gold than I need to rank up the champs that I *want* to rank up". After you say that the gold spend is a problem for you, you then state a simple solution. Maybe people who have a gold "problem" are actually functioning in a higher demand (for gold) environment than would be ideal for their account and personal preference. Either you play at a more balanced level, or you are forced to run into challenging aspects of the game (not having as much gold as you want).
4. "The gold offers are different, in the same way that July 4th resource influx is different, and Black Friday resource influx is different. It's a forced deficiency (which players might chase even when they shouldn't due to FOMO - to the severe detriment of their account) in many ways that ends up taking any positivity with the event and turning it sour in the longer term." You say forced deficiency to describe the manner of there being exclusivity in rewards because of their cost (it appears). You then describe (and had before) about players making bad decisions on their accounts, like that isn't their fault, but instead a "horrible" event imposed on them by Kabam. If the offers were reasonably balanced to the same level of unit offers, how much of a difference is there really? I could argue all day the benefits of using units for clearing content, but if an offer comes up a large number of Summoners consider to be of good value, would it be a horrible thing for them to buy it? No. It is a resource that got them a given result that they wanted. This all comes back to the idea of offers being horrible because they are not the theoretically/optimally best idea for all players.
5. "...this is an instance where game design needed to step in to help player decision making (because players can never be trusted to make 'good' decisions and that has to be factored in) to prevent a really bad experience a few weeks down the line." Where does this stop? By this logic, Kabam should immediately cancel about 90% of their unit deals because basically every popup offer after opening crystals (like 1 T1A for 200 units or equally ridiculous offers) is creating a "horrible" environment for players, giving them terrible deals with the chance that they might actually take them. I get annoyed at those deals, but I do not disagree with them on principal because if someone is willing to pay 200 units for a T1A, clearly they must really think it is worth it.
6. The gold deals are a vaguely comparable situation to the trade-in store last year, although I had a very different experience with each. I had plenty of built up gold and not enough champs that I wanted to spend it on, or catalysts to use, so I bought the deals (and as a player that is not willing to spend real dollars anymore, who doesn't grind arena, these were by far the best and most impactful deals I have ever been able to partake in). When the trade-in store came around, I took a few of the smaller worthwhile deals, but I wasn't able to utilize the bigger value-trades because I did not have the proper AGs in my stash. While I felt some FOMO, I was not actually mad that the deals were offered as they were, but that I could not take advantage of the best of them. Does that mean the deals were terrible? No, they just were a surprise event that utilized an item that had never really been avilable as currency for better items (in my eyes). What I was annoyed at was that there was no precedent set for me to save up gems that I did not need to use, since even though I never really use 4* champs (and basically never awakened a 5* in the previous year because I had to use them for content), I used the gems so they would not go to waste. The event was not horrible to release, but it would have been better for many Summoners if it had been even hinted at by Kabam before. Similar to the gold deals, and even the major upgrades to the Loyalty store recently. Seemingly, by your logic, the changes must have been horrible because people playing the highest level of war use all their loyalty to buy AQ/AW boosts (not sure how prevalent this actually was, but take it as an example) and thus were not able to enjoy the other rewards offered. Instead, I (and I know many others) saw that while the release was handled horribly, the actual store was an amazing addition.
7. You also make a big deal about selling iso for gold. This is, and has always been a terrible deal. Players making terrible resource-management decisions because of a deal does not reflect on why the deal should exist. If Kabam offers amazing unit deals on Cyber Weekend and I go into debt to buy them, that does not mean the deals were horrible, but that I made a bad decision about an offer that might have been pretty reasonable for others.
Thank you for explaining to me why gold offers would hurt me as a player.
Not like I'm not constantly at a unit shortage (sometimes cannot even buy energy refills to PLAY the game) yet the game is pumping those offers out every 2 days.
This is the dumbest thing i’ve ever heard. So because some people don’t have enough gold then none of us can get gold offers? So by extension if some people don’t have enough money to buy cash offers they shouldn’t have cash offers right? If some people don’t have enough units to buy unit offers then they shouldn’t have unit offers either right? I can’t speak for anyone else but from what i’ve heard around the community is that the majority of people wanted the gold offers so you are in the minority not wanting them. It’s fine that you don’t want them but that just means that you don’t have to buy them and anyone else without enough gold doesn’t have to buy them either. To take our decision wether or not to buy something because you think you know better than us is the most ridiculous and insulting thing i’ve ever heard.
"Selling ISO to participate in a gold event has the potential to cripple your ability to rank up champions effectively for months. 250k for 100 bricks? Nowhere near worth it, horrible value in every possible way."
Just like people who buy cav crystals whenever they get 300 units or people who don't save up units waiting for the cyber weekend and July 4 deals, people with less gold than they desire CAN CHOOSE to not buy the offers this year and rank up their current champs. With the gold deals not being offered this year, summoners don't have the ability to choose if they want to spend their gold on offers or not. The OP, from one point of view, makes sense but I don't see them taking this point into consideration.
It's totally more gold efficient to use expiring ISO bricks on useless champs rather than selling them. Great point!!!!
100% this ⬆️
I only rank what I intend to use somewhere within the game. Catalysts are my roadblock, not Gold or ISO. If ISO is expiring in my stash I sell it instead of ranking a champ I won't use and burning up short supply catalysts in the process.
My ISO stash is over 1.2k bricks and with a good deal of that being class t6. My Gold is currently at 52 million and climbing. OPs original post is not relevant to me at all.
@Dragonfei so I’m curious, I have read the whole post and it’s an interesting take. I do disagree respectfully however.
I’m not furious the gold offers haven’t returned, though I was looking forward to them.
Do you not think that it’s up to the player whether they want to take the gold/iso hit? In a resource management game it should be the players decision whether to use their resources. Not Kabam saying, well gold is hard to get at the moment let’s not give them offers for it.
Maybe it will take a little while to bounce back from taking a big gold hit, but I (and I suspect many others) would probably rather a nice new 6* Kitty Pryde/Doom/Herc etc than 10m gold, even if it takes a little while to rank them up. Add in rank up gems, R4 mats, awakening gems or the like and my answer is still the same.
I’d rather work to build up my gold and ISO reserves and be unable to rank a new god tier champ, than not have said god tier champ but enough gold. Hell, I’d rather have 10 more god tier champs than I can rank, if it means they’ll be useful in the future. Gold comes in at a steady rate, who knows when the next drought I have will be where I don’t pull any good champions for a while.
I can always get more gold, it’s rather harder to grind out for a god tier champ.
Add in incursions being updated, so there’ll be gold from there. DLL (Daddy Long Legs) a YouTuber who works for Kabam has mentioned in his relics video we’re getting increased gold at some point with the introduction of relics.
I’d always place exciting new champions and rank up mats and awakening gems over gold. Gold is very important yes, but I can grind that from arena, incursions, EQ and guarantee myself gold there. I potentially cannot do so with the items from offers. (Obviously that depends on the contents of the offers, but that goes without saying, because I’d be weighing up whether the offers are worth it)
Overall, it should be each players decision if they can forfeit the gold. I understand the point you made and it’s an interesting angle, but I don’t think it’s a reason we should be happy the offers aren’t here, more of a shrug and “at least I still have my gold/ISO”.
Do I think players should be able to determine whether or not the take the gold/ISO hit? Yes, but also no.
I think there are already many places where players can choose to make bad decisions about gold (such as using the wrong type of ISO, which is one of the worst gold-based decisions you can make in the game) and how to spend it. Players should always (and do always) have the ability to make that choice. They can choose to sell their ISO in stash, and rank up a new champion that they just picked up, even though it might be harder to rank another in the future. All of that is decisions I believe can and SHOULD remain with the player at all times - because it is the core of the resource management that you're talking about.
The gold offers are different, in the same way that July 4th resource influx is different, and Black Friday resource influx is different. It's a forced deficiency (which players might chase even when they shouldn't due to FOMO - to the severe detriment of their account) in many ways that ends up taking any positivity with the event and turning it sour in the longer term. We see it all the time after July 4th - people angry 30 days later that they can't use all the resources they bought. There is absolutely onus on the player for those situations - but I also firmly believe that there is a game design aspect to that too. If possible, Kabam should not be designing scenarios in which players are going to be put into a severe situation if they can help it. We saw proof of that in the July 4th event. Remember those side offers for T4CC, T4B, and T1A? All of those existed, specifically, to offset the influx of resources. (I know this, because I did the math out and proceeded to pick all of them up.)
The gold offers were one of those severe scenarios. Yes, you can always get more gold. I know that, and you know that. But all of the gold influxes you mentioned above point to one thing, in my mind. That I'm right. Because Kabam is putting more gold into the game in a wide variety of ways - which means that there IS some sort of shortage going on at present, that would only have been made worse with something like gold offers.
And yes, I do agree with you - it is far harder to target amazing champions, and a way to do that would have been great. But with the rate of 6* shard gain when you account for Battlegrounds alone right now? I opened 710k 6* shards on July 28th, and now already have 430k. Yes, I do buy offers, but I'm far from a whale. So many of those come from Battlegrounds purchases - where I picked up over 50k in shards this month alone. Champ acquisition can never be easy (basis of the game, right?), but it is getting easier.
I definitely get why you disagree - but this is an instance where game design needed to step in to help player decision making (because players can never be trusted to make 'good' decisions and that has to be factored in) to prevent a really bad experience a few weeks down the line.
"This is an instance where game design needed to step in to help player decision making (because players can never be trusted to make 'good' decisions and that has to be factored in)" This sums up the main factor in why I think you're wrong. You have not allowed for the fact that using gold to buy offers is not entirely bad. You are not able to look at it in black and white, point at it and say this is a bad decision for the entire player-base. You may be able to do it for yourself, but it is not your place, or Kabam's to say that it is a bad decision.
Using the wrong class ISO is a bit of an unfair comparison, that is objectively and mathematically worse, you get zero tangible benefit from doing this. Selling ISO is similarly unfair, though there is a slight tangible benefit of ranking a champion quicker - maybe you need them for time sensitive content - but assuming it's only to rank for the sake of ranking, yes, there's no tangible benefit so not a fair comparison.
Buying deals with gold is not that. It is a trade-off, lose gold now, gain materials and/or champions now, get gold back later. Some players may think that's more bad than good, and not buy it. Some may think it's more good than bad and buy it. Some may have millions of gold and not even think twice. Can you see why your opinion is getting taken so badly? Because it seems like you're coming from a perspective as holier than thou and essentially decreeing it as bad for all - when it quite clearly isn't. It just seems a little patronising. I don't have much gold, but I can grind it in Arena, I have many champions ranked up and basically never *need* someone ranked up ASAP so I can take the short term hit of not ranking. I am one person, but you can see from this thread that I'm not alone in thinking it is a good decision.
Comparing buying deals that would have rank up gems for 2-3, 6* Nexus, potentially awakening gems etc to selling ISO for gold? To using the wrong class ISO and losing gold for no reason? Do you see why they're not the same situation at all?
I'm not saying the majority of the playerbase will have enough gold, but the majority of players don't have 18k units hanging around, and we aren't getting rid of J4th and Cyberweekend in case of FOMO or a short term hit to units. (For what it's worth, I personally don't think you should compare units to gold, as they're very different resources, but you did compare them first and say that the gold offers and J4th offers are forced deficiencies, then went on to compare them in many more ways to make your points - I'm working off the examples you've given there)
I also think you're guilty of having your cake and eating it in regard to one point, when people in this thread bring up that they have a lot of gold you say words to the effect of "You're in the minority, not representative of the whole", and yet you use people who complain about not being able to use the resources as an example of why the offers are bad. I would be interested to see if you had any examples of those threads on the forum, and we could see if they were received well - I suspect they wouldn't have been.
Someone complaining they had no gold after spending it on the offers. 57:2 ratio.
Fairly unanimous in reception - most people thought the OP was being silly. But I'm open to seeing another side of it if you have any examples of people complaining and it being received well. If not, it seems that they are definitely the minority and therefore by your own logic should be discounted.
Not to mention, in the same way that not many have 18k units lying around, we don't get rid of J4th because those 18k players are in the minority.
The gold influxes may point to you being right about a gold shortage, but it does not point to you being right about it being good that the gold offers haven't come or whether Kabam did it specifically because of that. It's a very itnteresting point I hadn't thought of - that last year there was no shortage but this year there is, so that's why Kabam aren't doing the offers, but claiming it makes you 100% right? That's adding 2+2 and coming up with 18k. We don't know why Kabam haven't added the gold offers, and you may be right that it's because of a gold shortage but it is absolutely not proved by anything you've mentioned here, and even if that's the case, it doesn't mean that you or Kabam are *right* in saying that it's 100% bad for people - it's their choice to make. As I said in the last post, it's an interesting take (I don't think you're trolling, I don't think it's dumb, I just personally don't agree), and it's an interesting theory. Is it true? Who knows? We definitely don't, but Kabam do - though I doubt they'd tell us.
I also think you've missed my point on getting more gold vs getting more great champions. Yes, I accept your point on getting more champions recently. But what you haven't accepted is I can always, always guarantee myself gold. You do content, you get gold. I can always fill up the hole in my gold vault. I know how long it will take me; I know where I can go to get that. With regards to champions, I cannot guarantee myself that. I could get myself 4 champions I want to R4 in a fortnight, or I could be waiting 6 months for one.
You ask almost any player whether they'd rather 10m gold or one top, top tier champion they'd take the latter. You ask players whether they would rather 10m gold or a bunch of Materials and chances at top tier champions and it's a harder answer, but it's still a choice; and that proves *me* right, because to go back to the beginning of this post, it is not your decision whether something is bad for the player or not. They can make that call themselves.
You're also not taking into account extra grinding. If I have 5 million gold and decide not to get the offers, I won't do extra arena or incursions because of that. If I however decide to sell some ISO, do arena hard for 4-5 days between the announcement and when the offers end, and just get to 10m then that's extra grinding I wouldn't have done anyway. And once that's done, I'd do extra grinding after the event to make up for what was lost.
As one last point, I mean this with the greatest respect (as I have listened to the podcast for a long time and really enjoyed it), I'm just a little disappointed with the way you're addressing people's comments. This may well be a case of reading text not coming across well, and you mean it all with the greatest of intentions, but a few of your responses have come across pretty passive aggressive or dismissive. (Of course, discounting any that are you replying to actually rude comments). I just feel that it adds to this tone of superiority to how this thread reads. As though you have no doubt at all that you're 100% right, and everyone else is just slow. Saying things like "But that's okay, not everyone's arguments can be based in math" does not lend you any favours, it won't persuade anyone of anything.
Last year the gold offers were fantastic. I have a lot more gold now than I did then before I purchased the offers. I run AQ map 8 entirely with gold. I usually run the featured arena for 3-9 million points and no other arenas. I did almost no battlegrounds and haven't run incursions in well over a year. Somehow I still have 68 million gold. The fact that some people can't manage their gold doesn't make the offers a horrible idea.
Congratulations on being one of the few! Everyone is not you! When you are in the minority (and you RESOUNDINGLY are), offers will not be tailored to your resource excesses, but toward what the majority of the community needs.
And you are the leading authority to determine who is in the minority? Judging by the overall player base (and not just forum visitors) I'd suggest the guy with 9x r4 champions is in the minority
Gal, actually, but thanks!
I spend a lot of time in the community - line chats, discords, the forums, youtube channels. I can say pretty definitively that "How do I get more gold?" is one of the most frequent questions asked by players - because they don't have enough. And again, this post isn't about me, or my experience - but the fact that running the gold offers is a bad idea because of the amount of gold required to keep advancing in the game!
Two things. 1) I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt that you’ve spoken to at least 3,000 people from the community. At one point in time, there were over a million registered users for MCOC (probably more at this point). You’ve only spoken to less than 1% of the population and you come to the conclusion that “How do I get more gold?" is one of the most frequent questions asked by players. Sorry, less than 1% doesn’t mean 51% (majority).
2) Gold may be advancing, but Kabam is aware. The gold “shortage” is not a new topic. If Kabam deemed it necessary to adjust the economy of gold, they would do it. However, seeing how no major adjustments have been made since the permanent 30% boost to crystals, the devs think it’s fine how gold is at the moment
And the only reason that "how do I get gold" is likely to be a more frequent question than "how do I get units" is because everyone already knows the answer to that one.
Plus factor in people asking the gold question AHEAD of the deadpool event in the anticipation of any repeat offers like last year.
It's a good thing there were no gold offers. (Attempt to hold your rage until I explain.)
With all of that in mind - go ahead try and tell me gold offers were a good idea.
Because they weren't last year, and they still weren't this year. This year, at least, Kabam knew better.
Thing is... (pun intended), I'm going to respectfully disagree on this post.
I can respect your opinion and appreciate the time and data you have aggregated to make your point, but the whole idea of it is not cost effective for Dragonfei, too expensive for Dragonfei, Dragonfei doesn't find the value in it, etc therefore Kabam should NOT even offer it... 🧐 If only everyone was like you and Kabam made all the offers to make everyone the same...
If this were the case, many would not be playing this game. I prefer options. Do they need to be infinite - absolutely not but I can appreciate the opportunity for each of us to evaluate offers and decide for ourselves if it's worth snatching up (whether it takes time, money, resources, etc to get). I love the freedom to choose for myself and let others do exactly the same.
As a crazy F2P with a lot of gold, I personally would have loved to have similar Deadpool Gold offers that existed last year. I'm not butt hurt that it wasn't repeated and I appreciated the new offers this year (many of which I did not participate in).
So many offers I look at and just ignore and let pass buy while others see them differently and snatch up. Everyone can have their own opinion about the weird, stupid, crazy, expensive, cheap, and totally awesome offers that Kabam may put out there but to say they should NOT give the option because it doesn't fit for you... I just cannot ever get on board with that. Repeating the prior years offer, making something similar to it or making additional offers is a good thing because it gives us the option, individually, to choose if it may be right and fun for us in this game. 🤘🏼
I hope you like agriculture because you’re about to farm some disagrees
WE WANT GOLD OFFERS , If you dont want to buy it then dont buy it ! And you can become enough gold to rank up champs ! And you dont have to level up a champ instantly , you have time
It doesnt matter if you lose gold , you get gold from everything !
So we manage and plan our gold for gold offers and we dont get em. All I see is a F2p event taken away from community.
Nobody care if whales get free stuff when they have millions of gold already. They already get whatever they want, this will be a drop in ocean for them. And Im pretty sure everyone would like some offers even if they are a whale. I personally have 0 issues when p2w players get more things. They are ahead regardless of these free (not monetory) offers.
Whereas for f2ps who do grind the game every day these offers were substantial. We f2ps dont take these opportunities lighty. Even a r2-3 gem have great value for me(even when im a good place among higher rated f2p)
Absolutely Spot-on Buddy... Well said.. not an FTP and not a whale as well but... This is what Kabam needs to understand that events that keeps the community happy is much needed.. not all events shud be free or pay to win but it shud be balanced equally..so that both enjoy it... Definitely the p2w can get better Rewards or resources but that shouldn't be an issue when u keep both sides happy.. lately kabam is releasing events that is moving towards the p2w format... Act 8 was fun & awesome though.
I hope you like agriculture because you’re about to farm some disagrees
WE WANT GOLD OFFERS , If you dont want to buy it then dont buy it ! And you can become enough gold to rank up champs ! And you dont have to level up a champ instantly , you have time
It doesnt matter if you lose gold , you get gold from everything !
Is.. is that aimed at me? Or agreeing with me, I'm confused
Dragon I appreciate your opinion on the matter, I have to respectfully disagree. I would have liked the offers to be present for everyone to have a choice. You either get the deal or you don't, in the same way that kabam puts out amazing cash offers, if you have the cash to spend you buy it or you leave it alone because you have other uses for your cash. It all comes down to having a choice and Kabam took that choice away this year
Ready to r4 another 22 champs straight from r1. I do have the iso as well since I am sitting on 1mil PHC shards and about 300+ 4 star crystals. What’s lacking are the rank up materials and more importantly the good champs worthy of rank up. You see how flawed your argument is OP?
Much of what I think on this topic has already been said but I just wanted to state I disagree with OP.
Ofers of all kinds (cash, unit, gold) should be available throughout the year and players should have the option to use their own discretion in what offers they will get, whether f2p or not, and how they use (or waste if you're of that opinion) their resources.
In what proportion these different types of offers appear is dependent on the game developers - they would want more cash than virtual resources naturally, but having no offers of one type, assuming the premise that doing so would harm too many accounts is not a take I agree with.
do you ever think from player's perspective?? actually?? i dnt grind, i m no whale and i still have 17M gold!! i would have been oerfectly fine buying gold offers!! seriously BAD post and opinion
Dragonfei, You had a well thought out opinion and take on the lack of these offers. I'm sure you didn't expect everyone to agree with you- stop trying so hard to convince everyone you're correct. There's no right or wrong here- just people who like or dislike Kabam's decision. And I add myself to those who dislike it. First of all, Kabam's choice and your take, pang too much of someone telling me how I should enjoy this game- how I should think, feel, and choose to approach it. Very few will like that. I'm an average-good player in every way. I'm in an average alliance with an average roster, and just because I like this game enough to play a bit every day (my wife would say too much) I haven't had to worry about gold for ages. I hover around 25 million no matter what I do or who I rank up. It dips down briefly, and then it's right back up there. I was very much looking forward to the possibility of the gold deals. And I know a feeling is very abstract, but it certainly felt like Kabam was headed toward the same or similar gold offers again this year. It certainly seemed there were plenty of opportunities to acquire and focus on gold if you chose to. But if people choose not to focus, play enough, save/allocate their gold, their whining or complaining shouldn't ruin it for everyone. Occasionally there's a big units offer that pops up and if you're prepared with units, great- if you're not, maybe next time. "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity". We were given no opportunity, so I doubt anyone is feeling very lucky right now!
I didn’t need to sell iso for the gold offers. People can choose to manage their resources how they want, whether it’s, gold, units, iso rank up materials or anything else. By this logic I don’t think Kabam should ever have unit offers or sell crystals for units to make sure I have units available cyber weekend and 4th July. But actually they should have these in the game and it’s up to me as an individual to decide where best to use my units. Same with my gold. If you decide it’s not worth your gold, by all means skip it, but I’d have liked to have been given the opportunity.
I greatly disagree with this Post, just like Units or any offer , its not for everyone if you are limited in Gold then i would advise against spending your Gold but for someone like myself and many other alliance mate with over 130 million in Gold a Gold deal would've been great for us , i also have over 4k Gold crystals among other resources.
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I am an arena grinder, and i have ZERO issues with gold spend. my gold hasnt budged AFTER many rankups and i am still sitting at 13million bcs, and 60 million gold. The fact that you cant keep up with gold spend is your issue. WHy not leave it to the player to make the decision?
This is such a terrible way to respond to people and it's not even the worst. Do better.
Not like I'm not constantly at a unit shortage (sometimes cannot even buy energy refills to PLAY the game) yet the game is pumping those offers out every 2 days.
Just like people who buy cav crystals whenever they get 300 units or people who don't save up units waiting for the cyber weekend and July 4 deals, people with less gold than they desire CAN CHOOSE to not buy the offers this year and rank up their current champs. With the gold deals not being offered this year, summoners don't have the ability to choose if they want to spend their gold on offers or not. The OP, from one point of view, makes sense but I don't see them taking this point into consideration.
I only rank what I intend to use somewhere within the game. Catalysts are my roadblock, not Gold or ISO. If ISO is expiring in my stash I sell it instead of ranking a champ I won't use and burning up short supply catalysts in the process.
My ISO stash is over 1.2k bricks and with a good deal of that being class t6. My Gold is currently at 52 million and climbing. OPs original post is not relevant to me at all.
This sums up the main factor in why I think you're wrong. You have not allowed for the fact that using gold to buy offers is not entirely bad. You are not able to look at it in black and white, point at it and say this is a bad decision for the entire player-base. You may be able to do it for yourself, but it is not your place, or Kabam's to say that it is a bad decision.
Using the wrong class ISO is a bit of an unfair comparison, that is objectively and mathematically worse, you get zero tangible benefit from doing this. Selling ISO is similarly unfair, though there is a slight tangible benefit of ranking a champion quicker - maybe you need them for time sensitive content - but assuming it's only to rank for the sake of ranking, yes, there's no tangible benefit so not a fair comparison.
Buying deals with gold is not that. It is a trade-off, lose gold now, gain materials and/or champions now, get gold back later. Some players may think that's more bad than good, and not buy it. Some may think it's more good than bad and buy it. Some may have millions of gold and not even think twice. Can you see why your opinion is getting taken so badly? Because it seems like you're coming from a perspective as holier than thou and essentially decreeing it as bad for all - when it quite clearly isn't. It just seems a little patronising. I don't have much gold, but I can grind it in Arena, I have many champions ranked up and basically never *need* someone ranked up ASAP so I can take the short term hit of not ranking. I am one person, but you can see from this thread that I'm not alone in thinking it is a good decision.
Comparing buying deals that would have rank up gems for 2-3, 6* Nexus, potentially awakening gems etc to selling ISO for gold? To using the wrong class ISO and losing gold for no reason? Do you see why they're not the same situation at all?
I'm not saying the majority of the playerbase will have enough gold, but the majority of players don't have 18k units hanging around, and we aren't getting rid of J4th and Cyberweekend in case of FOMO or a short term hit to units. (For what it's worth, I personally don't think you should compare units to gold, as they're very different resources, but you did compare them first and say that the gold offers and J4th offers are forced deficiencies, then went on to compare them in many more ways to make your points - I'm working off the examples you've given there)
I also think you're guilty of having your cake and eating it in regard to one point, when people in this thread bring up that they have a lot of gold you say words to the effect of "You're in the minority, not representative of the whole", and yet you use people who complain about not being able to use the resources as an example of why the offers are bad. I would be interested to see if you had any examples of those threads on the forum, and we could see if they were received well - I suspect they wouldn't have been.
In fact, after writing the above I decided to go and check for myself. I found this thread complaining they didn't have resources for levelling up after buying the offers
https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/283752/problem-with-gold-offer
Another example: https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/284354/gold-scarcity-is-back/p1
Someone complaining they had no gold after spending it on the offers. 57:2 ratio.
Fairly unanimous in reception - most people thought the OP was being silly. But I'm open to seeing another side of it if you have any examples of people complaining and it being received well. If not, it seems that they are definitely the minority and therefore by your own logic should be discounted.
Not to mention, in the same way that not many have 18k units lying around, we don't get rid of J4th because those 18k players are in the minority.
The gold influxes may point to you being right about a gold shortage, but it does not point to you being right about it being good that the gold offers haven't come or whether Kabam did it specifically because of that. It's a very itnteresting point I hadn't thought of - that last year there was no shortage but this year there is, so that's why Kabam aren't doing the offers, but claiming it makes you 100% right? That's adding 2+2 and coming up with 18k. We don't know why Kabam haven't added the gold offers, and you may be right that it's because of a gold shortage but it is absolutely not proved by anything you've mentioned here, and even if that's the case, it doesn't mean that you or Kabam are *right* in saying that it's 100% bad for people - it's their choice to make. As I said in the last post, it's an interesting take (I don't think you're trolling, I don't think it's dumb, I just personally don't agree), and it's an interesting theory. Is it true? Who knows? We definitely don't, but Kabam do - though I doubt they'd tell us.
I also think you've missed my point on getting more gold vs getting more great champions. Yes, I accept your point on getting more champions recently. But what you haven't accepted is I can always, always guarantee myself gold. You do content, you get gold. I can always fill up the hole in my gold vault. I know how long it will take me; I know where I can go to get that. With regards to champions, I cannot guarantee myself that. I could get myself 4 champions I want to R4 in a fortnight, or I could be waiting 6 months for one.
You ask almost any player whether they'd rather 10m gold or one top, top tier champion they'd take the latter. You ask players whether they would rather 10m gold or a bunch of Materials and chances at top tier champions and it's a harder answer, but it's still a choice; and that proves *me* right, because to go back to the beginning of this post, it is not your decision whether something is bad for the player or not. They can make that call themselves.
You're also not taking into account extra grinding. If I have 5 million gold and decide not to get the offers, I won't do extra arena or incursions because of that. If I however decide to sell some ISO, do arena hard for 4-5 days between the announcement and when the offers end, and just get to 10m then that's extra grinding I wouldn't have done anyway. And once that's done, I'd do extra grinding after the event to make up for what was lost.
As one last point, I mean this with the greatest respect (as I have listened to the podcast for a long time and really enjoyed it), I'm just a little disappointed with the way you're addressing people's comments. This may well be a case of reading text not coming across well, and you mean it all with the greatest of intentions, but a few of your responses have come across pretty passive aggressive or dismissive. (Of course, discounting any that are you replying to actually rude comments). I just feel that it adds to this tone of superiority to how this thread reads. As though you have no doubt at all that you're 100% right, and everyone else is just slow. Saying things like "But that's okay, not everyone's arguments can be based in math" does not lend you any favours, it won't persuade anyone of anything.
2) Gold may be advancing, but Kabam is aware. The gold “shortage” is not a new topic. If Kabam deemed it necessary to adjust the economy of gold, they would do it. However, seeing how no major adjustments have been made since the permanent 30% boost to crystals, the devs think it’s fine how gold is at the moment
Plus factor in people asking the gold question AHEAD of the deadpool event in the anticipation of any repeat offers like last year.
I can respect your opinion and appreciate the time and data you have aggregated to make your point, but the whole idea of it is not cost effective for Dragonfei, too expensive for Dragonfei, Dragonfei doesn't find the value in it, etc therefore Kabam should NOT even offer it... 🧐 If only everyone was like you and Kabam made all the offers to make everyone the same...
If this were the case, many would not be playing this game. I prefer options. Do they need to be infinite - absolutely not but I can appreciate the opportunity for each of us to evaluate offers and decide for ourselves if it's worth snatching up (whether it takes time, money, resources, etc to get). I love the freedom to choose for myself and let others do exactly the same.
As a crazy F2P with a lot of gold, I personally would have loved to have similar Deadpool Gold offers that existed last year. I'm not butt hurt that it wasn't repeated and I appreciated the new offers this year (many of which I did not participate in).
So many offers I look at and just ignore and let pass buy while others see them differently and snatch up. Everyone can have their own opinion about the weird, stupid, crazy, expensive, cheap, and totally awesome offers that Kabam may put out there but to say they should NOT give the option because it doesn't fit for you... I just cannot ever get on board with that. Repeating the prior years offer, making something similar to it or making additional offers is a good thing because it gives us the option, individually, to choose if it may be right and fun for us in this game. 🤘🏼
And you can become enough gold to rank up champs !
And you dont have to level up a champ instantly , you have time
It doesnt matter if you lose gold , you get gold from everything !
I am a free to play player, hope there is something i can use my gold😞
Ready to r4 another 22 champs straight from r1. I do have the iso as well since I am sitting on 1mil PHC shards and about 300+ 4 star crystals. What’s lacking are the rank up materials and more importantly the good champs worthy of rank up. You see how flawed your argument is OP?
Ofers of all kinds (cash, unit, gold) should be available throughout the year and players should have the option to use their own discretion in what offers they will get, whether f2p or not, and how they use (or waste if you're of that opinion) their resources.
In what proportion these different types of offers appear is dependent on the game developers - they would want more cash than virtual resources naturally, but having no offers of one type, assuming the premise that doing so would harm too many accounts is not a take I agree with.
You had a well thought out opinion and take on the lack of these offers. I'm sure you didn't expect everyone to agree with you- stop trying so hard to convince everyone you're correct. There's no right or wrong here- just people who like or dislike Kabam's decision. And I add myself to those who dislike it.
First of all, Kabam's choice and your take, pang too much of someone telling me how I should enjoy this game- how I should think, feel, and choose to approach it. Very few will like that. I'm an average-good player in every way. I'm in an average alliance with an average roster, and just because I like this game enough to play a bit every day (my wife would say too much) I haven't had to worry about gold for ages. I hover around 25 million no matter what I do or who I rank up. It dips down briefly, and then it's right back up there. I was very much looking forward to the possibility of the gold deals. And I know a feeling is very abstract, but it certainly felt like Kabam was headed toward the same or similar gold offers again this year. It certainly seemed there were plenty of opportunities to acquire and focus on gold if you chose to. But if people choose not to focus, play enough, save/allocate their gold, their whining or complaining shouldn't ruin it for everyone. Occasionally there's a big units offer that pops up and if you're prepared with units, great- if you're not, maybe next time. "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity". We were given no opportunity, so I doubt anyone is feeling very lucky right now!