Time is money....when people are milking a valuable Resource in the game that's meant to help newer Players? I find that to be a bit ignorant to the actual in-game value of those. Also, someone can Grind the Units to do that with 0 dollars. So no one HAS to spend.
So what you're saying is, it's perfectly fine for one to grind area and farm units (let's be fair that's why people grind arena) and spam revives with the units but it's not OK for people to spend the same amount of time farming revives from 3.2.6?
You're going on like we hit 1 button to farm 1 revive in 3.2.6 when in reality it's not that fast. If we can't farm revives by ingame content then we shouldn't be allowed to farm the units in arena
The same amount of time? Really?not even close. Not to mention there's a hard cap on the amount of units you can earn in a day but not the revives
Well it is though isn't it .... if I spend 3 hours farming or 3 hours grinding arena ... its still 3 hours spent 🤨,
Also there is no hard cap in arena. You could get a load of units from BCs.
If anything, maybe they should limit how many we get from 3.2.6 and not just basically remove it altogether. Each run of the quest has a 60% chance to spawn a revive
The problem isn't that you are able to farm. If that were the issue then they wouldn't put the apothecary. It's the amount you get. 3 hours in arena might get you how many units? Let's say 400 . That's just 10 revives.
But the same 3 hours in 3.2.6 gets you much more than that it's not even close. The amount of units you can get from battlechips isn't comparable to what you can get from quest farming.
Your last para is exactly what they're doing. Limiting the revives .
400 units = 10 revives from arena. With the new system they're suggesting you won't get 10 revives in that time window, I mean you might, but it's going to be extremely rng based.
"The end result is maps with these nodes will now have a lower drop rate for revives" By how much? Is it by 10% or by 90% ... who knows. They need to clarify this
Time is money....when people are milking a valuable Resource in the game that's meant to help newer Players? I find that to be a bit ignorant to the actual in-game value of those. Also, someone can Grind the Units to do that with 0 dollars. So no one HAS to spend.
So what you're saying is, it's perfectly fine for one to grind area and farm units (let's be fair that's why people grind arena) and spam revives with the units but it's not OK for people to spend the same amount of time farming revives from 3.2.6?
You're going on like we hit 1 button to farm 1 revive in 3.2.6 when in reality it's not that fast. If we can't farm revives by ingame content then we shouldn't be allowed to farm the units in arena
The same amount of time? Really?not even close. Not to mention there's a hard cap on the amount of units you can earn in a day but not the revives
Well it is though isn't it .... if I spend 3 hours farming or 3 hours grinding arena ... its still 3 hours spent 🤨,
Also there is no hard cap in arena. You could get a load of units from BCs.
If anything, maybe they should limit how many we get from 3.2.6 and not just basically remove it altogether. Each run of the quest has a 60% chance to spawn a revive
The problem isn't that you are able to farm. If that were the issue then they wouldn't put the apothecary. It's the amount you get. 3 hours in arena might get you how many units? Let's say 400 . That's just 10 revives.
But the same 3 hours in 3.2.6 gets you much more than that it's not even close. The amount of units you can get from battlechips isn't comparable to what you can get from quest farming.
Your last para is exactly what they're doing. Limiting the revives .
You can't say for a fact that it will give you more. 400 units is 10 revives but then you gotta factor in the BCs and how many units they'll give so it'll probably end up being more than 10 revives, also you can't say that one WILL get more than 10 revives from 3.2.6, I have done 4 runs of 3.2.6 before now and gotten one single revive from it.
My last para isnt exactly what they're doing, well it could be but they aren't shedding any light on the amount the drop rate has been lowered, all they've said is "The end result is maps with these nodes will now have a lower drop rate for revives" that could be a 99% reduction, it could be 70% reduction, either of them 2 examples isn't what said. Also you can't really farm this new mode they're bringing in, it gives x amount per day period. Unlike arena which doesn't really have a limit other than ones time.
Last but not least, they did say farming was the problem ... "This frenzied revive farming trivializes difficult content"
They have quite literallt said the farming is trivialising difficult content. So yes farming is their main issue.
Time is money....when people are milking a valuable Resource in the game that's meant to help newer Players? I find that to be a bit ignorant to the actual in-game value of those. Also, someone can Grind the Units to do that with 0 dollars. So no one HAS to spend.
Milking? Their own words were “loophole by spamming revives” but a spender can literally do that. Spam revives. What if they put a limit on how many revives someone can buy per day? Even the playing field a little…
If the stash limit wasn’t embarrassingly low, sure, you could grind 6 months to save enough revives. But no…
I don’t care about the revive farming if they fix the revive limit, stop making content require 50 revives, and fix the lack of effectiveness of health potions.
Come to think of it, I farmed 3.2.6 one of the days while I was having work done, I farmed for about 6 hours and I only got somewhere around 20 revives in that time.
I did already have full 19 revives in my inventory
Arena is also free. Farming 3.2.6 costs energy, which takes away from your ability to complete EQ/BGs/Story.
It takes about 2 min and 42 energy per run at 3.2.6. Farming 3.2.6 for 3 hours would cost ~3780 energy or 54 energy refills. 54 energy refills would cost 1620 units.
Some are acting like you just press the "free revive" button and you're stash is magically full.
Time is money....when people are milking a valuable Resource in the game that's meant to help newer Players? I find that to be a bit ignorant to the actual in-game value of those. Also, someone can Grind the Units to do that with 0 dollars. So no one HAS to spend.
So what you're saying is, it's perfectly fine for one to grind area and farm units (let's be fair that's why people grind arena) and spam revives with the units but it's not OK for people to spend the same amount of time farming revives from 3.2.6?
You're going on like we hit 1 button to farm 1 revive in 3.2.6 when in reality it's not that fast. If we can't farm revives by ingame content then we shouldn't be allowed to farm the units in arena
The same amount of time? Really?not even close. Not to mention there's a hard cap on the amount of units you can earn in a day but not the revives
Well it is though isn't it .... if I spend 3 hours farming or 3 hours grinding arena ... its still 3 hours spent 🤨,
Also there is no hard cap in arena. You could get a load of units from BCs.
If anything, maybe they should limit how many we get from 3.2.6 and not just basically remove it altogether. Each run of the quest has a 60% chance to spawn a revive
The problem isn't that you are able to farm. If that were the issue then they wouldn't put the apothecary. It's the amount you get. 3 hours in arena might get you how many units? Let's say 400 . That's just 10 revives.
But the same 3 hours in 3.2.6 gets you much more than that it's not even close. The amount of units you can get from battlechips isn't comparable to what you can get from quest farming.
Your last para is exactly what they're doing. Limiting the revives .
3 hours of grinding arena costs you nothing. 3 hours of revive farming would cost you a great deal of energy. More energy than you would typically have. In which case units would need to spent on energy refills. So this example is most likely a net zero in terms of costs.
Time is money....when people are milking a valuable Resource in the game that's meant to help newer Players? I find that to be a bit ignorant to the actual in-game value of those. Also, someone can Grind the Units to do that with 0 dollars. So no one HAS to spend.
So what you're saying is, it's perfectly fine for one to grind area and farm units (let's be fair that's why people grind arena) and spam revives with the units but it's not OK for people to spend the same amount of time farming revives from 3.2.6?
You're going on like we hit 1 button to farm 1 revive in 3.2.6 when in reality it's not that fast. If we can't farm revives by ingame content then we shouldn't be allowed to farm the units in arena
Poor comparison, you can get much more revives farming on acts than playing arenas, way faster and easier since you can autofight.
The main fact that people is not acknowledging is how things are supposed to work, Act 1-3 are not meant to be reruned after explorations for farming, there are meant for new players to be done, so its fair that they nerf it so people that is not meant to do so stops doing it.
Arena is meant to be a farming place, thats why you get Battlechips for it, so you can farm gold and units.
Everest Content is meant to be hard and take time to be done, not only time but resources which would take either time or money to get, the fact that people do it the first day makes that Content design senseless, why would Kabam waste time and money on Everest Content if people would do it like any hard special SQ that we got, just because we are able to get unlimited revives just by one tap to start a quest, another to select a path, and the last one to Auto On, thats complete nonsense, its very fair from Kabam to remove this revive farming system.
If you want to do EoP, prepare your resources, if you dont have enough, farm them, but farm them properly, getting 2000 units worth revives completely effortless in 2 days its not farming, its an exploit.
And no, its not the same with people spending, if you farm, you do it for free for some weeks or months to do the Everest Content, if someone prefers to pay to speed up, thats okay because they pay money worth the time they would spend, you may not like it but it is fair and it is worth for Kabam, because doing this content isnt free either, and it takes time and resources, so if you are going to do in one day what is supposed to be done in one month of hard work, I see pretty fair to pay an amount of money for it.
And again, people are exagerating a lot, we still can farm revives from low levels acts and EQ, but its not that easy to get revives on those, thats all, we still have enough revives for doing the content without that, and again, this is not debatable, thats just a fact, you can be angry about it, but it is just true.
I agree with this for the most part.
For example, my exploration of act 6 back in the day was funded mostly through arena grinding. However, the paths were nowhere near as resource draining as EoP Carina’s.
3.2.6 is definitely a loophole. However the solution from Kabam is not balanced and the explanation appears disingenuous at best.
Personally I do not believe endlessly spamming a quest for infinite revives is healthy for the game. But if content is being pushed out that needs hundreds of revives to max out rewards, there has to be more access to earn revives in game and store in inventory than the solution put forward.
Let’s not kid ourselves Kabam don’t want Summoners to push through content as quick as it’s released. They just want those Summoners to pay through the nose for it. Which is fair enough, we need them to make money or there’s no game. There should be an opportunity for those who play the game a lot but don’t have time to endlessly grind or pay through the nose to finish this type of content within a timeframe the rewards haven’t depreciated so much in value it makes completing the content not worth the effort.
Time is money....when people are milking a valuable Resource in the game that's meant to help newer Players? I find that to be a bit ignorant to the actual in-game value of those. Also, someone can Grind the Units to do that with 0 dollars. So no one HAS to spend.
So what you're saying is, it's perfectly fine for one to grind area and farm units (let's be fair that's why people grind arena) and spam revives with the units but it's not OK for people to spend the same amount of time farming revives from 3.2.6?
You're going on like we hit 1 button to farm 1 revive in 3.2.6 when in reality it's not that fast. If we can't farm revives by ingame content then we shouldn't be allowed to farm the units in arena
The same amount of time? Really?not even close. Not to mention there's a hard cap on the amount of units you can earn in a day but not the revives
Well it is though isn't it .... if I spend 3 hours farming or 3 hours grinding arena ... its still 3 hours spent 🤨,
Also there is no hard cap in arena. You could get a load of units from BCs.
If anything, maybe they should limit how many we get from 3.2.6 and not just basically remove it altogether. Each run of the quest has a 60% chance to spawn a revive
The problem isn't that you are able to farm. If that were the issue then they wouldn't put the apothecary. It's the amount you get. 3 hours in arena might get you how many units? Let's say 400 . That's just 10 revives.
But the same 3 hours in 3.2.6 gets you much more than that it's not even close. The amount of units you can get from battlechips isn't comparable to what you can get from quest farming.
Your last para is exactly what they're doing. Limiting the revives .
3 hours of grinding arena costs you nothing. 3 hours of revive farming would cost you a great deal of energy. More energy than you would typically have. In which case units would need to spent on energy refills. So this example is most likely a net zero in terms of costs.
If they added an L1 revive to the store for 20 units, it would probably be cheaper to buy them than spend refills on 3.2.6.
Man how much time are people spending farming revives? Kabam has probably gone too far in this adjustment, but maybe they saw people spending full days of playing time just running one crappy little story path and want folks to branch out. I mean yeah, money too of course, but when I see "spent 6 hours farming" I'm out.
I suspect they've taken the worst cases and applied that to the whole player base
Time is money....when people are milking a valuable Resource in the game that's meant to help newer Players? I find that to be a bit ignorant to the actual in-game value of those. Also, someone can Grind the Units to do that with 0 dollars. So no one HAS to spend.
So what you're saying is, it's perfectly fine for one to grind area and farm units (let's be fair that's why people grind arena) and spam revives with the units but it's not OK for people to spend the same amount of time farming revives from 3.2.6?
You're going on like we hit 1 button to farm 1 revive in 3.2.6 when in reality it's not that fast. If we can't farm revives by ingame content then we shouldn't be allowed to farm the units in arena
Poor comparison, you can get much more revives farming on acts than playing arenas, way faster and easier since you can autofight.
The main fact that people is not acknowledging is how things are supposed to work, Act 1-3 are not meant to be reruned after explorations for farming, there are meant for new players to be done, so its fair that they nerf it so people that is not meant to do so stops doing it.
Arena is meant to be a farming place, thats why you get Battlechips for it, so you can farm gold and units.
Everest Content is meant to be hard and take time to be done, not only time but resources which would take either time or money to get, the fact that people do it the first day makes that Content design senseless, why would Kabam waste time and money on Everest Content if people would do it like any hard special SQ that we got, just because we are able to get unlimited revives just by one tap to start a quest, another to select a path, and the last one to Auto On, thats complete nonsense, its very fair from Kabam to remove this revive farming system.
If you want to do EoP, prepare your resources, if you dont have enough, farm them, but farm them properly, getting 2000 units worth revives completely effortless in 2 days its not farming, its an exploit.
And no, its not the same with people spending, if you farm, you do it for free for some weeks or months to do the Everest Content, if someone prefers to pay to speed up, thats okay because they pay money worth the time they would spend, you may not like it but it is fair and it is worth for Kabam, because doing this content isnt free either, and it takes time and resources, so if you are going to do in one day what is supposed to be done in one month of hard work, I see pretty fair to pay an amount of money for it.
And again, people are exagerating a lot, we still can farm revives from low levels acts and EQ, but its not that easy to get revives on those, thats all, we still have enough revives for doing the content without that, and again, this is not debatable, thats just a fact, you can be angry about it, but it is just true.
I agree with this for the most part.
For example, my exploration of act 6 back in the day was funded mostly through arena grinding. However, the paths were nowhere near as resource draining as EoP Carina’s.
3.2.6 is definitely a loophole. However the solution from Kabam is not balanced and the explanation appears disingenuous at best.
Personally I do not believe endlessly spamming a quest for infinite revives is healthy for the game. But if content is being pushed out that needs hundreds of revives to max out rewards, there has to be more access to earn revives in game and store in inventory than the solution put forward.
Let’s not kid ourselves Kabam don’t want Summoners to push through content as quick as it’s released. They just want those Summoners to pay through the nose for it. Which is fair enough, we need them to make money or there’s no game. There should be an opportunity for those who play the game a lot but don’t have time to endlessly grind or pay through the nose to finish this type of content within a timeframe the rewards haven’t depreciated so much in value it makes completing the content not worth the effort.
Completely agree with you, thats what I stated couple pages before, the change they want to do is nice, but it has to be balanced, I gave some examples of how the Daily Quest could work.
But I think they should wait a little bit till they fix the bugs so people doesnt rely that much on revives because the AI or the inputs have a lot of issues.
Another solution could be putting revives on 20 units instead of 40 till the bugs get fixed as a temporary tweak, that would be quite balanced.
It is WILD to me that people are honestly trying to pretend this move isnt motivated by trying to get summoner's to spend more.
If this was about stopping people being able to revive through difficult content, as they claim and as DNA and GW claim, the very obvious and clear solution to this problem would be item caps on Everest content.
Since people keep bringing this up as proof that Kabam's announcement was not made in good faith, we should address this directly. Let's refresh our memory of what was actually stated in the announcement:
This frenzied revive farming trivializes difficult content like Carina’s Challenges and Eternity of Pain because Summoners simply spam revives. For us to allow what is effectively a loophole for these challenging pieces of content, we would have to dilute rewards given from that content, and that is not something we want to do.
Now, when Kabam designs end game content, there are a number of different variables that have to get balanced between themselves. First of all, what's the point even of "Everest Content?" It isn't normal progressional content. It isn't content that is intended for the average player to be necessarily able to complete. Not even the average end game player. It is intended to be a challenge that most people fail, at least the first time. It is intended to stand there as a test for end game players to attempt to conqueror when they've done everything else. It is not a stepping stone to something else: you don't climb Everest to reach the ladder that takes you to the Moon.
Although the intent is for the content to not be a stepping stone to something else, it inevitably is in an indirect sense, because you have to provide sufficient rewards to entice players to tackle it (usually, but that discussion is a separate thing entirely). What could possibly entice end game players who have done everything and also mostly have everything? It has to be a reward difficult or impossible to get anywhere else.
But if we place rewards like that in the content, it *must* be sufficiently difficult that very few players can actually complete it, at least initially. That number can slowly grow over time, but if it is too high, those rewards become economy distorting. So we increase the difficulty of the content high enough so that only the strongest players with the strongest rosters and the best strategy can complete it.
What about revives? If players use revives, they can lower the difficulty. To some degree, that's fine, but beyond a certain point unlimited use of revives lowers the difficulty too low. So just cap the number of revives and call it a day, right?
Cap them to what? If we make the cap very low, then it is possible that the vast majority of players will *never* attempt the content ever. That's problematic because there are only so many dev hours in the day. You presume that even Everest content will be done by the top 1% of 1%, but eventually that number will grow to the top 1% or maybe top 5%, because it is otherwise impossible to cost justify having a team of developers work on content only a few dozen players will ever complete.
You also have to consider monetization of the game. While you don't *want* players to just spend their way through, if players are consistently prevented from spending where *they* feel its appropriate, you will threaten the revenue base of the game. To repeat: you don't *want* them to spend, but you can't *completely block* their spending. So where you place the cap is an extremely complex question, and one that will have to be revisited with every piece of content you make.
You might say, well this is easy, just do X. Nope, that's not how this works. Kabam is not a hive mind, Kabam is a company with different developers in charge of different things with different ideas and different responsibilities. If you want to implement an item cap on Everest content, you will have to justify that specific cap. You will have to convince the content designers that that cap is appropriate for that content. You will have to convince the game economy people that it is consistent with the game economy, and the monetization people that it is not one too many straws on the monetization camel's back. There are a lot of people who have a say in how an item cap will affect all parts of the game, and they all don't have to agree with you. And you will have to do this over and over again with every piece of content you create.
Even *if* they wanted to implement an item cap, that's not straight forward or easy. And you still have the question hanging out there "why do we have an easy to autopilot infinite revive farm in the game?" It isn't just affecting Everest content, that's just the most obvious and most detrimental symptom. If you're going to tackle that symptom anyway, why not tackle it at its source, and eliminate all side effects simultaneously?
So just because they didn't implement an item cap, doesn't prove they have other motives than the stated one, and doesn't prove its about making money. It just proves this is a complex balancing problem, like most balancing problems, and the *obvious* solution was to tackle it at the source.
Well, they sort of decided on what is an appropriate amount of revives to have at a single time. By creating a quest where you can get the items in combination with other (non unit) ways. When piece a content comes out cap it at the amount you can get for free right now. Over time, increase the cap so more peopel can do it with less skill required. Rewards will have less value at that time and this the balance of top 1% of top 1% is still there, and the 1% to 5% will get there as the cap increases and their rosters might have become better. There are already many places that have item caps, so I guess they can choose to. And if it so happens that a cap is set too low. Because nobody, or very very very few people complete the content. Raise it. When a cap is decided, it does not mean it can never be changed. They change energy requirements. Nerf content like act 6. Changing the item cap over time is no different.
Time is money....when people are milking a valuable Resource in the game that's meant to help newer Players? I find that to be a bit ignorant to the actual in-game value of those. Also, someone can Grind the Units to do that with 0 dollars. So no one HAS to spend.
So what you're saying is, it's perfectly fine for one to grind area and farm units (let's be fair that's why people grind arena) and spam revives with the units but it's not OK for people to spend the same amount of time farming revives from 3.2.6?
You're going on like we hit 1 button to farm 1 revive in 3.2.6 when in reality it's not that fast. If we can't farm revives by ingame content then we shouldn't be allowed to farm the units in arena
Poor comparison, you can get much more revives farming on acts than playing arenas, way faster and easier since you can autofight.
The main fact that people is not acknowledging is how things are supposed to work, Act 1-3 are not meant to be reruned after explorations for farming, there are meant for new players to be done, so its fair that they nerf it so people that is not meant to do so stops doing it.
Arena is meant to be a farming place, thats why you get Battlechips for it, so you can farm gold and units.
Everest Content is meant to be hard and take time to be done, not only time but resources which would take either time or money to get, the fact that people do it the first day makes that Content design senseless, why would Kabam waste time and money on Everest Content if people would do it like any hard special SQ that we got, just because we are able to get unlimited revives just by one tap to start a quest, another to select a path, and the last one to Auto On, thats complete nonsense, its very fair from Kabam to remove this revive farming system.
If you want to do EoP, prepare your resources, if you dont have enough, farm them, but farm them properly, getting 2000 units worth revives completely effortless in 2 days its not farming, its an exploit.
And no, its not the same with people spending, if you farm, you do it for free for some weeks or months to do the Everest Content, if someone prefers to pay to speed up, thats okay because they pay money worth the time they would spend, you may not like it but it is fair and it is worth for Kabam, because doing this content isnt free either, and it takes time and resources, so if you are going to do in one day what is supposed to be done in one month of hard work, I see pretty fair to pay an amount of money for it.
And again, people are exagerating a lot, we still can farm revives from low levels acts and EQ, but its not that easy to get revives on those, thats all, we still have enough revives for doing the content without that, and again, this is not debatable, thats just a fact, you can be angry about it, but it is just true.
I agree with this for the most part.
For example, my exploration of act 6 back in the day was funded mostly through arena grinding. However, the paths were nowhere near as resource draining as EoP Carina’s.
3.2.6 is definitely a loophole. However the solution from Kabam is not balanced and the explanation appears disingenuous at best.
Personally I do not believe endlessly spamming a quest for infinite revives is healthy for the game. But if content is being pushed out that needs hundreds of revives to max out rewards, there has to be more access to earn revives in game and store in inventory than the solution put forward.
Let’s not kid ourselves Kabam don’t want Summoners to push through content as quick as it’s released. They just want those Summoners to pay through the nose for it. Which is fair enough, we need them to make money or there’s no game. There should be an opportunity for those who play the game a lot but don’t have time to endlessly grind or pay through the nose to finish this type of content within a timeframe the rewards haven’t depreciated so much in value it makes completing the content not worth the effort.
Completely agree with you, thats what I stated couple pages before, the change they want to do is nice, but it has to be balanced, I gave some examples of how the Daily Quest could work.
But I think they should wait a little bit till they fix the bugs so people doesnt rely that much on revives because the AI or the inputs have a lot of issues.
Another solution could be putting revives on 20 units instead of 40 till the bugs get fixed as a temporary tweak, that would be quite balanced.
And that for me is the real kicker in terms of the timing of this.
The game is in a horrible state regarding inputs and bugs. I’ve no reason to lie or exaggerate, I’m not the greatest player but always been able to hold my own with tough content and high tier war. I’m using revives and potions where I wouldn’t normally have to because of inputs etc. Even in TB eq I’ve had to use some revives and health potions. For example there may be one champ halfway along a path that can only be countered by a specific champ on my team. Game goes wonky, get ko’d. Choice of restart path or revive. I’m choosing revive for a couple of reasons. 1. TB eq was kind of ghastly and slow this month so didn’t want to do anymore than necessary. 2. Too much to do in game so can’t afford to be wasting the time I have restarting paths.
We’re at a point (and have been for some time) where players are burning resources because of game faults. At a time we should be given some help to compensate for this, Kabam are going in the opposite direction and taking away.
Like I said, I agree 3.2.6 needs addressing but jeez man no wonder players are mighty annoyed. Completely tone deaf from Kabam and seems they either don’t understand or care how frustrating an experience the game is right now.
Man how much time are people spending farming revives? Kabam has probably gone too far in this adjustment, but maybe they saw people spending full days of playing time just running one crappy little story path and want folks to branch out. I mean yeah, money too of course, but when I see "spent 6 hours farming" I'm out.
I suspect they've taken the worst cases and applied that to the whole player base
Man how much time are people spending farming revives? Kabam has probably gone too far in this adjustment, but maybe they saw people spending full days of playing time just running one crappy little story path and want folks to branch out. I mean yeah, money too of course, but when I see "spent 6 hours farming" I'm out.
I suspect they've taken the worst cases and applied that to the whole player base
Tbf I think you're the one who said you farmed for 6 hours
Yeah when I couldn't play the game as I had 1 arm lol but even then it yielded approx 20 revives ... not a lot in the grand scheme of things now is it.
6 hours of arena would be much more unbalanced than 20 revives in 6 hours 😂
Man how much time are people spending farming revives? Kabam has probably gone too far in this adjustment, but maybe they saw people spending full days of playing time just running one crappy little story path and want folks to branch out. I mean yeah, money too of course, but when I see "spent 6 hours farming" I'm out.
I suspect they've taken the worst cases and applied that to the whole player base
Man how much time are people spending farming revives? Kabam has probably gone too far in this adjustment, but maybe they saw people spending full days of playing time just running one crappy little story path and want folks to branch out. I mean yeah, money too of course, but when I see "spent 6 hours farming" I'm out.
I suspect they've taken the worst cases and applied that to the whole player base
Tbf I think you're the one who said you farmed for 6 hours
Also you've completely missed my point ... the point was that one could spend hours upon hours (like I have .... once) farming but they don't get as many revives as kabam is making out as its not a guarantee that you'll get a revive in the quest everytime you enter it.
Time is money....when people are milking a valuable Resource in the game that's meant to help newer Players? I find that to be a bit ignorant to the actual in-game value of those. Also, someone can Grind the Units to do that with 0 dollars. So no one HAS to spend.
So what you're saying is, it's perfectly fine for one to grind area and farm units (let's be fair that's why people grind arena) and spam revives with the units but it's not OK for people to spend the same amount of time farming revives from 3.2.6?
You're going on like we hit 1 button to farm 1 revive in 3.2.6 when in reality it's not that fast. If we can't farm revives by ingame content then we shouldn't be allowed to farm the units in arena
People actually invest time and energy into the Arena. They play the Fights to win the Units. They don't Auto-Play on repeat.
Time is money....when people are milking a valuable Resource in the game that's meant to help newer Players? I find that to be a bit ignorant to the actual in-game value of those. Also, someone can Grind the Units to do that with 0 dollars. So no one HAS to spend.
So what you're saying is, it's perfectly fine for one to grind area and farm units (let's be fair that's why people grind arena) and spam revives with the units but it's not OK for people to spend the same amount of time farming revives from 3.2.6?
You're going on like we hit 1 button to farm 1 revive in 3.2.6 when in reality it's not that fast. If we can't farm revives by ingame content then we shouldn't be allowed to farm the units in arena
People actually invest time and energy into the Arena. They play the Fights to win the Units. They don't Auto-Play on repeat.
So one doesn't invest time and energy into farming 3.2.6? Last I checked you have to allocate your time to it AND lose energy in order to do it. Fair trade off.
Fair enough, you can't auto play arena but that's the only difference. So why not just remove the ability to auto play acts 1-3, the autoplay doesn't help the new players that are at level anyway as they'll just die, the only people the autoplay helps in this aspect are the bigger accounts that are 3 hits and KO
Time is money....when people are milking a valuable Resource in the game that's meant to help newer Players? I find that to be a bit ignorant to the actual in-game value of those. Also, someone can Grind the Units to do that with 0 dollars. So no one HAS to spend.
So what you're saying is, it's perfectly fine for one to grind area and farm units (let's be fair that's why people grind arena) and spam revives with the units but it's not OK for people to spend the same amount of time farming revives from 3.2.6?
You're going on like we hit 1 button to farm 1 revive in 3.2.6 when in reality it's not that fast. If we can't farm revives by ingame content then we shouldn't be allowed to farm the units in arena
People actually invest time and energy into the Arena. They play the Fights to win the Units. They don't Auto-Play on repeat.
So one doesn't invest time and energy into farming 3.2.6? Last I checked you have to allocate your time to it AND lose energy in order to do it. Fair trade off.
Fair enough, you can't auto play arena but that's the only difference. So why not just remove the ability to auto play acts 1-3, the autoplay doesn't help the new players that are at level anyway as they'll just die, the only people the autopsy helps in this aspect are the bigger accounts that are 3 hits and KO
Yes, and those Revives were included to help those newer Players, not to be taken advantage of by people doing higher content. As for time and energy, "Enter Auto Repeat" isn't the same as actually playing the game.
Time is money....when people are milking a valuable Resource in the game that's meant to help newer Players? I find that to be a bit ignorant to the actual in-game value of those. Also, someone can Grind the Units to do that with 0 dollars. So no one HAS to spend.
So what you're saying is, it's perfectly fine for one to grind area and farm units (let's be fair that's why people grind arena) and spam revives with the units but it's not OK for people to spend the same amount of time farming revives from 3.2.6?
You're going on like we hit 1 button to farm 1 revive in 3.2.6 when in reality it's not that fast. If we can't farm revives by ingame content then we shouldn't be allowed to farm the units in arena
People actually invest time and energy into the Arena. They play the Fights to win the Units. They don't Auto-Play on repeat.
So one doesn't invest time and energy into farming 3.2.6? Last I checked you have to allocate your time to it AND lose energy in order to do it. Fair trade off.
Fair enough, you can't auto play arena but that's the only difference. So why not just remove the ability to auto play acts 1-3, the autoplay doesn't help the new players that are at level anyway as they'll just die, the only people the autopsy helps in this aspect are the bigger accounts that are 3 hits and KO
Yes, and those Revives were included to help those newer Players, not to be taken advantage of by people doing higher content. As for time and energy, "Enter Auto Repeat" isn't the same as actually playing the game.
So, like I said, remive the auto fight. The auto fight doesn't help the new player anyway. Problem solved
Time is money....when people are milking a valuable Resource in the game that's meant to help newer Players? I find that to be a bit ignorant to the actual in-game value of those. Also, someone can Grind the Units to do that with 0 dollars. So no one HAS to spend.
So what you're saying is, it's perfectly fine for one to grind area and farm units (let's be fair that's why people grind arena) and spam revives with the units but it's not OK for people to spend the same amount of time farming revives from 3.2.6?
You're going on like we hit 1 button to farm 1 revive in 3.2.6 when in reality it's not that fast. If we can't farm revives by ingame content then we shouldn't be allowed to farm the units in arena
People actually invest time and energy into the Arena. They play the Fights to win the Units. They don't Auto-Play on repeat.
Autoplay was introduced to allow higher-end players that find it tedious to complete lower end content like low end EQ for farming resources from lower story maps. If I am not mistaken it was the main theme when it was introduced. The issue was that people were using it as intended in a map that had “higher than intended drop rates.”
Some were probably abusing it, sure. But not everyone. Some were being responsible with their farming. I know many that were farming ROL for pots.
Time is money....when people are milking a valuable Resource in the game that's meant to help newer Players? I find that to be a bit ignorant to the actual in-game value of those. Also, someone can Grind the Units to do that with 0 dollars. So no one HAS to spend.
So what you're saying is, it's perfectly fine for one to grind area and farm units (let's be fair that's why people grind arena) and spam revives with the units but it's not OK for people to spend the same amount of time farming revives from 3.2.6?
You're going on like we hit 1 button to farm 1 revive in 3.2.6 when in reality it's not that fast. If we can't farm revives by ingame content then we shouldn't be allowed to farm the units in arena
People actually invest time and energy into the Arena. They play the Fights to win the Units. They don't Auto-Play on repeat.
Last time I revive farmed it took me 9 hours to farm 50+ revives. MUCH more time to prep for the resources to even begin revive farming. Have you ever revive farmed before? Takes a lot more effort and preparation then just “auto play go brrrrr”.
Time is money....when people are milking a valuable Resource in the game that's meant to help newer Players? I find that to be a bit ignorant to the actual in-game value of those. Also, someone can Grind the Units to do that with 0 dollars. So no one HAS to spend.
So what you're saying is, it's perfectly fine for one to grind area and farm units (let's be fair that's why people grind arena) and spam revives with the units but it's not OK for people to spend the same amount of time farming revives from 3.2.6?
You're going on like we hit 1 button to farm 1 revive in 3.2.6 when in reality it's not that fast. If we can't farm revives by ingame content then we shouldn't be allowed to farm the units in arena
People actually invest time and energy into the Arena. They play the Fights to win the Units. They don't Auto-Play on repeat.
Last time I revive farmed it took me 9 hours to farm 50+ revives. MUCH more time to prep for the resources to even begin revive farming. Have you ever revive farmed before? Takes a lot more effort and preparation then just “auto play go brrrrr”.
50+ Revs in 9 hours of the game. You don't think that is beyond what they intend people to get? I'm also quite positive you weren't staring at the screen for 9 hours. I'm aware of the actual effort it takes to Auto. Click, click, repeat. I can do it while I'm watching TV or in a meeting. The "time and effort" is quite comical to me.
Man how much time are people spending farming revives? Kabam has probably gone too far in this adjustment, but maybe they saw people spending full days of playing time just running one crappy little story path and want folks to branch out. I mean yeah, money too of course, but when I see "spent 6 hours farming" I'm out.
I suspect they've taken the worst cases and applied that to the whole player base
Thats possible, but the change is necessary, since a group of players is able to do so, that means the rest of us can do it aswell, so before that happens they have to do something.
Man how much time are people spending farming revives? Kabam has probably gone too far in this adjustment, but maybe they saw people spending full days of playing time just running one crappy little story path and want folks to branch out. I mean yeah, money too of course, but when I see "spent 6 hours farming" I'm out.
I suspect they've taken the worst cases and applied that to the whole player base
Man how much time are people spending farming revives? Kabam has probably gone too far in this adjustment, but maybe they saw people spending full days of playing time just running one crappy little story path and want folks to branch out. I mean yeah, money too of course, but when I see "spent 6 hours farming" I'm out.
I suspect they've taken the worst cases and applied that to the whole player base
Tbf I think you're the one who said you farmed for 6 hours
Yeah when I couldn't play the game as I had 1 arm lol but even then it yielded approx 20 revives ... not a lot in the grand scheme of things now is it.
6 hours of arena would be much more unbalanced than 20 revives in 6 hours 😂
The single fact that you think 20 revives is not that much is a very big issue caused by that exploit, and the fact that you think 6 hours of arenas is more unbalanced proves that you never did 6 hours of arenas because thats not that much
Man how much time are people spending farming revives? Kabam has probably gone too far in this adjustment, but maybe they saw people spending full days of playing time just running one crappy little story path and want folks to branch out. I mean yeah, money too of course, but when I see "spent 6 hours farming" I'm out.
I suspect they've taken the worst cases and applied that to the whole player base
Thats possible, but the change is necessary, since a group of players is able to do so, that means the rest of us can do it aswell, so before that happens they have to do something.
Man how much time are people spending farming revives? Kabam has probably gone too far in this adjustment, but maybe they saw people spending full days of playing time just running one crappy little story path and want folks to branch out. I mean yeah, money too of course, but when I see "spent 6 hours farming" I'm out.
I suspect they've taken the worst cases and applied that to the whole player base
Man how much time are people spending farming revives? Kabam has probably gone too far in this adjustment, but maybe they saw people spending full days of playing time just running one crappy little story path and want folks to branch out. I mean yeah, money too of course, but when I see "spent 6 hours farming" I'm out.
I suspect they've taken the worst cases and applied that to the whole player base
Tbf I think you're the one who said you farmed for 6 hours
Yeah when I couldn't play the game as I had 1 arm lol but even then it yielded approx 20 revives ... not a lot in the grand scheme of things now is it.
6 hours of arena would be much more unbalanced than 20 revives in 6 hours 😂
The single fact that you think 20 revives is not that much is a very big issue caused by that exploit, and the fact that you think 6 hours of arenas is more unbalanced proves that you never did 6 hours of arenas because thats not that much
Im a grinder, but saying that 6 hours of arena is not that much....... you really dont have much value for time. 6Hours is doable but is whats pretty much needed every 3 days and i can say it is downright awful
Man how much time are people spending farming revives? Kabam has probably gone too far in this adjustment, but maybe they saw people spending full days of playing time just running one crappy little story path and want folks to branch out. I mean yeah, money too of course, but when I see "spent 6 hours farming" I'm out.
I suspect they've taken the worst cases and applied that to the whole player base
Thats possible, but the change is necessary, since a group of players is able to do so, that means the rest of us can do it aswell, so before that happens they have to do something.
Man how much time are people spending farming revives? Kabam has probably gone too far in this adjustment, but maybe they saw people spending full days of playing time just running one crappy little story path and want folks to branch out. I mean yeah, money too of course, but when I see "spent 6 hours farming" I'm out.
I suspect they've taken the worst cases and applied that to the whole player base
Man how much time are people spending farming revives? Kabam has probably gone too far in this adjustment, but maybe they saw people spending full days of playing time just running one crappy little story path and want folks to branch out. I mean yeah, money too of course, but when I see "spent 6 hours farming" I'm out.
I suspect they've taken the worst cases and applied that to the whole player base
Tbf I think you're the one who said you farmed for 6 hours
Yeah when I couldn't play the game as I had 1 arm lol but even then it yielded approx 20 revives ... not a lot in the grand scheme of things now is it.
6 hours of arena would be much more unbalanced than 20 revives in 6 hours 😂
The single fact that you think 20 revives is not that much is a very big issue caused by that exploit, and the fact that you think 6 hours of arenas is more unbalanced proves that you never did 6 hours of arenas because thats not that much
Im a grinder, but saying that 6 hours of arena is not that much....... you really dont have much value for time. 6Hours is doable but is whats pretty much needed every 3 days and i can say it is downright awful
I mean in value terms, is more valuable 6 hours of farming revives than 6 hours of arena fights
Here's a thought. To go along with the put a revive cap on Everest content idea. Make it so that you can buy a cap increase with units, then kabam still has the monetization for those that want to brute force it. Those that are skilled will be able to take the challenge presented by doing it with less than X revives. Oh and of course change to % based potions since HP scaling is a thing.
Man how much time are people spending farming revives? Kabam has probably gone too far in this adjustment, but maybe they saw people spending full days of playing time just running one crappy little story path and want folks to branch out. I mean yeah, money too of course, but when I see "spent 6 hours farming" I'm out.
I suspect they've taken the worst cases and applied that to the whole player base
Thats possible, but the change is necessary, since a group of players is able to do so, that means the rest of us can do it aswell, so before that happens they have to do something.
Man how much time are people spending farming revives? Kabam has probably gone too far in this adjustment, but maybe they saw people spending full days of playing time just running one crappy little story path and want folks to branch out. I mean yeah, money too of course, but when I see "spent 6 hours farming" I'm out.
I suspect they've taken the worst cases and applied that to the whole player base
Man how much time are people spending farming revives? Kabam has probably gone too far in this adjustment, but maybe they saw people spending full days of playing time just running one crappy little story path and want folks to branch out. I mean yeah, money too of course, but when I see "spent 6 hours farming" I'm out.
I suspect they've taken the worst cases and applied that to the whole player base
Tbf I think you're the one who said you farmed for 6 hours
Yeah when I couldn't play the game as I had 1 arm lol but even then it yielded approx 20 revives ... not a lot in the grand scheme of things now is it.
6 hours of arena would be much more unbalanced than 20 revives in 6 hours 😂
The single fact that you think 20 revives is not that much is a very big issue caused by that exploit, and the fact that you think 6 hours of arenas is more unbalanced proves that you never did 6 hours of arenas because thats not that much
20 revives would last through several weeks of ordinary content and experimentation normally, but if I've only got 1 day with no one bugging me and no projects where I get to sit down for several hours to finish difficult content, 20 isn't that much. Especially if you're trying to complete content where you've heard it will take 1000s of units (on top revives and potions) and you'd rather get low level revives and use quantity over quality.
How many players does mcoc have that 100k to 300k revives are farmed daily? If revive farming is dead, how do we handle content like Carinas Volume 1 where we’re expected to use 60 to 80 revives using 4*s in LOL???
In a good day, I farm 10-12. 100k seems ludicrous. Since I’m so much lower, the nerf shouldn’t affect me, deal?
@GroundedWisdom said: "I have yet to see a piece of content that is permanent that demands Players MUST spend to do it. It doesn't exist. It might take saving, it might take forethought, it might take Grinding, and it might take patience. It doesn't take spending as a mandatory requirement."
I say prove it, let's see those videos of you (or anyone) completing any Carina's challenges with zero items. Put your metaphorical money where your mouth (keyboard) is. With no proof to back up your bland statements, they're nothing more than false assumptions. Peace, and I won't be replying back to you until you provide video evidence of your false claim.
Not to get involved but he meant cash. Not itemless. And specifically to cash he’s right. Plenty of ftp don’t spend dollars.
It would be really nice if we could get a response before the weekend to head off some of the concerns here. It might help calm some nerves rather than them stewing over the weekend.
Time is money....when people are milking a valuable Resource in the game that's meant to help newer Players? I find that to be a bit ignorant to the actual in-game value of those. Also, someone can Grind the Units to do that with 0 dollars. So no one HAS to spend.
So what you're saying is, it's perfectly fine for one to grind area and farm units (let's be fair that's why people grind arena) and spam revives with the units but it's not OK for people to spend the same amount of time farming revives from 3.2.6?
You're going on like we hit 1 button to farm 1 revive in 3.2.6 when in reality it's not that fast. If we can't farm revives by ingame content then we shouldn't be allowed to farm the units in arena
People actually invest time and energy into the Arena. They play the Fights to win the Units. They don't Auto-Play on repeat.
Last time I revive farmed it took me 9 hours to farm 50+ revives. MUCH more time to prep for the resources to even begin revive farming. Have you ever revive farmed before? Takes a lot more effort and preparation then just “auto play go brrrrr”.
50+ Revs in 9 hours of the game. You don't think that is beyond what they intend people to get? I'm also quite positive you weren't staring at the screen for 9 hours. I'm aware of the actual effort it takes to Auto. Click, click, repeat. I can do it while I'm watching TV or in a meeting. The "time and effort" is quite comical to me.
I did some math, don't expect it to be really accurate, I work in the arts section, so I hope you will excuse any mistakes: In 9 hours you can get approximately 20.790 level 2 revives. It takes around 2 minutes with a bad connection to buy 270 Odins in 9 hours total, each Odin is 77 revives overall.
Now THIS, this is some serious farm spamming. This is an actual problem, yes.
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"The end result is maps with these nodes will now have a lower drop rate for revives"
By how much? Is it by 10% or by 90% ... who knows. They need to clarify this
My last para isnt exactly what they're doing, well it could be but they aren't shedding any light on the amount the drop rate has been lowered, all they've said is "The end result is maps with these nodes will now have a lower drop rate for revives" that could be a 99% reduction, it could be 70% reduction, either of them 2 examples isn't what said. Also you can't really farm this new mode they're bringing in, it gives x amount per day period. Unlike arena which doesn't really have a limit other than ones time.
Last but not least, they did say farming was the problem ... "This frenzied revive farming trivializes difficult content"
They have quite literallt said the farming is trivialising difficult content. So yes farming is their main issue.
If the stash limit wasn’t embarrassingly low, sure, you could grind 6 months to save enough revives. But no…
I don’t care about the revive farming if they fix the revive limit, stop making content require 50 revives, and fix the lack of effectiveness of health potions.
I did already have full 19 revives in my inventory
It takes about 2 min and 42 energy per run at 3.2.6. Farming 3.2.6 for 3 hours would cost ~3780 energy or 54 energy refills. 54 energy refills would cost 1620 units.
Some are acting like you just press the "free revive" button and you're stash is magically full.
For example, my exploration of act 6 back in the day was funded mostly through arena grinding. However, the paths were nowhere near as resource draining as EoP Carina’s.
3.2.6 is definitely a loophole. However the solution from Kabam is not balanced and the explanation appears disingenuous at best.
Personally I do not believe endlessly spamming a quest for infinite revives is healthy for the game.
But if content is being pushed out that needs hundreds of revives to max out rewards, there has to be more access to earn revives in game and store in inventory than the solution put forward.
Let’s not kid ourselves Kabam don’t want Summoners to push through content as quick as it’s released. They just want those Summoners to pay through the nose for it.
Which is fair enough, we need them to make money or there’s no game.
There should be an opportunity for those who play the game a lot but don’t have time to endlessly grind or pay through the nose to finish this type of content within a timeframe the rewards haven’t depreciated so much in value it makes completing the content not worth the effort.
But I think they should wait a little bit till they fix the bugs so people doesnt rely that much on revives because the AI or the inputs have a lot of issues.
Another solution could be putting revives on 20 units instead of 40 till the bugs get fixed as a temporary tweak, that would be quite balanced.
Well, they sort of decided on what is an appropriate amount of revives to have at a single time. By creating a quest where you can get the items in combination with other (non unit) ways. When piece a content comes out cap it at the amount you can get for free right now. Over time, increase the cap so more peopel can do it with less skill required. Rewards will have less value at that time and this the balance of top 1% of top 1% is still there, and the 1% to 5% will get there as the cap increases and their rosters might have become better.Now, when Kabam designs end game content, there are a number of different variables that have to get balanced between themselves. First of all, what's the point even of "Everest Content?" It isn't normal progressional content. It isn't content that is intended for the average player to be necessarily able to complete. Not even the average end game player. It is intended to be a challenge that most people fail, at least the first time. It is intended to stand there as a test for end game players to attempt to conqueror when they've done everything else. It is not a stepping stone to something else: you don't climb Everest to reach the ladder that takes you to the Moon.
Although the intent is for the content to not be a stepping stone to something else, it inevitably is in an indirect sense, because you have to provide sufficient rewards to entice players to tackle it (usually, but that discussion is a separate thing entirely). What could possibly entice end game players who have done everything and also mostly have everything? It has to be a reward difficult or impossible to get anywhere else.
But if we place rewards like that in the content, it *must* be sufficiently difficult that very few players can actually complete it, at least initially. That number can slowly grow over time, but if it is too high, those rewards become economy distorting. So we increase the difficulty of the content high enough so that only the strongest players with the strongest rosters and the best strategy can complete it.
What about revives? If players use revives, they can lower the difficulty. To some degree, that's fine, but beyond a certain point unlimited use of revives lowers the difficulty too low. So just cap the number of revives and call it a day, right?
Cap them to what? If we make the cap very low, then it is possible that the vast majority of players will *never* attempt the content ever. That's problematic because there are only so many dev hours in the day. You presume that even Everest content will be done by the top 1% of 1%, but eventually that number will grow to the top 1% or maybe top 5%, because it is otherwise impossible to cost justify having a team of developers work on content only a few dozen players will ever complete.
You also have to consider monetization of the game. While you don't *want* players to just spend their way through, if players are consistently prevented from spending where *they* feel its appropriate, you will threaten the revenue base of the game. To repeat: you don't *want* them to spend, but you can't *completely block* their spending. So where you place the cap is an extremely complex question, and one that will have to be revisited with every piece of content you make.
You might say, well this is easy, just do X. Nope, that's not how this works. Kabam is not a hive mind, Kabam is a company with different developers in charge of different things with different ideas and different responsibilities. If you want to implement an item cap on Everest content, you will have to justify that specific cap. You will have to convince the content designers that that cap is appropriate for that content. You will have to convince the game economy people that it is consistent with the game economy, and the monetization people that it is not one too many straws on the monetization camel's back. There are a lot of people who have a say in how an item cap will affect all parts of the game, and they all don't have to agree with you. And you will have to do this over and over again with every piece of content you create.
Even *if* they wanted to implement an item cap, that's not straight forward or easy. And you still have the question hanging out there "why do we have an easy to autopilot infinite revive farm in the game?" It isn't just affecting Everest content, that's just the most obvious and most detrimental symptom. If you're going to tackle that symptom anyway, why not tackle it at its source, and eliminate all side effects simultaneously?
So just because they didn't implement an item cap, doesn't prove they have other motives than the stated one, and doesn't prove its about making money. It just proves this is a complex balancing problem, like most balancing problems, and the *obvious* solution was to tackle it at the source.
There are already many places that have item caps, so I guess they can choose to.
And if it so happens that a cap is set too low. Because nobody, or very very very few people complete the content. Raise it.
When a cap is decided, it does not mean it can never be changed.
They change energy requirements. Nerf content like act 6. Changing the item cap over time is no different.
The game is in a horrible state regarding inputs and bugs.
I’ve no reason to lie or exaggerate, I’m not the greatest player but always been able to hold my own with tough content and high tier war.
I’m using revives and potions where I wouldn’t normally have to because of inputs etc.
Even in TB eq I’ve had to use some revives and health potions.
For example there may be one champ halfway along a path that can only be countered by a specific champ on my team. Game goes wonky, get ko’d.
Choice of restart path or revive.
I’m choosing revive for a couple of reasons.
1. TB eq was kind of ghastly and slow this month so didn’t want to do anymore than necessary.
2. Too much to do in game so can’t afford to be wasting the time I have restarting paths.
We’re at a point (and have been for some time) where players are burning resources because of game faults.
At a time we should be given some help to compensate for this, Kabam are going in the opposite direction and taking away.
Like I said, I agree 3.2.6 needs addressing but jeez man no wonder players are mighty annoyed. Completely tone deaf from Kabam and seems they either don’t understand or care how frustrating an experience the game is right now.
6 hours of arena would be much more unbalanced than 20 revives in 6 hours 😂
Fair enough, you can't auto play arena but that's the only difference. So why not just remove the ability to auto play acts 1-3, the autoplay doesn't help the new players that are at level anyway as they'll just die, the only people the autoplay helps in this aspect are the bigger accounts that are 3 hits and KO
As for time and energy, "Enter Auto Repeat" isn't the same as actually playing the game.
Some were probably abusing it, sure. But not everyone. Some were being responsible with their farming. I know many that were farming ROL for pots.
If you see The single fact that you think 20 revives is not that much is a very big issue caused by that exploit, and the fact that you think 6 hours of arenas is more unbalanced proves that you never did 6 hours of arenas because thats not that much
In 9 hours you can get approximately 20.790 level 2 revives. It takes around 2 minutes with a bad connection to buy 270 Odins in 9 hours total, each Odin is 77 revives overall.
Now THIS, this is some serious farm spamming. This is an actual problem, yes.