Removal of Revive Farming and the Apothecary Discussion

Typhoon

Not quite sure where to start with all this.

But initial feelings are... outrage.

Ya'll really trying to get us to stop playing the game?

Random thoughts about this:

1) Revives are available but at a significantly less rate
2) Revive drop rates were always higher than intended? Since when? Transparency...
3) No Auto option? What the what? Why? Should have the opportunity to auto-complete this after exploring once.
4)

Shiroihara

I have to say, the timing is impeccable.

DrZola

I’m not sure I know what’s going on. Please explain.

Dr. Zola

Typhoon

DrZola said:

I’m not sure I know what’s going on. Please explain.

Dr. Zola

Here you go, Doc.

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/331082/changes-to-consumable-availability-introducing-the-apothecary#latest

Raganator

Lol. That level 1 team health pot is a game changer.

"Summoners just spam revives."

Translation: "We want summoners to spam revives, but we want them to pay for it."

Yodabolt21

I mean it does make sense to do this. We saw a lot of end game payers farm revives for a week and breeze through the EOP carinas in a day. That was not what was intended for the release of that content, and I do understand that.

What makes NO SENSE at all is removing the auto fight function of these quests. Why force us to mindlessly do what I'm guessing is 6-10 fights when we will be using r3 and r4 6* to do so. It just seems like a cheap deterrent method from Kabam to make us use units. If we can auto fight all levels of EQ if we so wish, which contain quite a bit of units and other resources, why force us to do these quests without the auto fight option.

Yodabolt21

Shiroihara said:

I have to say, the timing is impeccable.

Indeed it does. This means that 8.2 drops mid April, most likely anyway.

DrZola

Typhoon said:

DrZola said:

I’m not sure I know what’s going on. Please explain.

Dr. Zola

Here you go, Doc.

https://forums.playcontestofchampions.com/en/discussion/331082/changes-to-consumable-availability-introducing-the-apothecary#latest

Wow.

Dr. Zola

Typhoon

Yodabolt21 said:

I mean it does make sense to do this. We saw a lot of end game payers farm revives for a week and breeze through the EOP carinas in a day. That was not what was intended for the release of that content, and I do understand that.

What makes NO SENSE at all is removing the auto fight function of these quests. Why force us to mindlessly do what I'm guessing is 6-10 fights when we will be using r3 and r4 6* to do so. It just seems like a cheap deterrent method from Kabam to make us use units. If we can auto fight all levels of EQ if we so wish, which contain quite a bit of units and other resources, why force us to do these quests without the auto fight option.

I understand the *why* part. But they got the *how* all wrong.

Mad_Titan_Thanos1

We will still be spamming revives in difficult content. You’re just removing how we get them. Please, for the love of Christ, at least let us get 10-15 revives a day if you’re removing our farm. 1 revive a day will only be a max of 29 revives (15 max in stash plus 14 day expiration), which isn’t enough to do anything really. If I remember correctly, y’all are also trying to stop arena bots, no? This is giving a bigger incentive to do that

Rugbyman371

DrZola said:

I’m not sure I know what’s going on. Please explain.

Dr. Zola

I’ll sum it up for you doc. “We are getting shafted on revenue since players can farm revives in early content. To meet our goals for the quarter, we are dropping the proc rates in 3.2.6 and implementing a daily quest that gives 2 potions a day with a minuscule chance at a revive”

Shiroihara

Yodabolt21 said:

Shiroihara said:

I have to say, the timing is impeccable.

Indeed it does. This means that 8.2 drops mid April, most likely anyway.

Oh, I meant with the game being in the worst state it’s ever been and the widespread discontent.

DATBOI69

Exactly. Kascam saying it’s easy to farm revives as if it doesn’t take hours and a crazy amount of energy to do so. This one of the stupidest things they have ever done. Just screwing over their players is just something they love to do. Just an awful decision.

JOKE94

Kabam doesn’t know how to create difficult content that DOESN‘T require much item usage if you play perfectly. Best example: Abyss.
So they want to turn the game into pay to play. As if pay to win wasn’t enough… well done!

Eb0ny-O-M4w

Raganator said:

Lol. That level 1 team health pot is a game changer.

"Summoners just spam revives."

Translation: "We want summoners to spam revives, but we want them to pay for it."

Pretty much. They never stopped us from using items, they just make it harder to use them

Lvernon15

One word to describe it
Greedy

_Pez_

They do seem to be doing their best to just anger everyone these days....

Maybe, before making revives harder to get they could fix many of the bugs that cause people to need to use more revives than they should. Just a thought, but maybe people would be more amenable to this if it wasn't coming at a time where high end content, that relies on the game working properly to do but isn't, is being released.

The revives mean people can brute force new content but it comes at a cost of using their energy for it which means can't do other content....

DATBOI69

Hey Kabam how much more obvious do you want to make it that you’re just doing this to get more money out of players?

chunkyb

Kabam brass is mad that people aren't using unitman as much as they used to in solo modes, basically.

So they nerfed the good things that they had previously said were fine bc of the trade off of energy for items and made a whole new terrible, awful, worthless thing.

And to add insult to injury, made it non-auto so you could fully experience self-hating boredom while you "farm"... Whoops. I mean "enjoy the game".

Then they tried to justify it all in the most kabammy way possible, rewriting history as they went.

Raganator

chunkyb said:

Kabam brass is mad that people aren't using unitman as much as they used to in solo modes, basically.

So they nerfed the good things that they had previously said were fine bc of the trade off of energy for items and made a whole new terrible, awful, worthless thing.

And to add insult to injury, made it non-auto so you could fully experience self-hating boredom while you "farm"... Whoops. I mean "enjoy the game".

Then they tried to justify it all in the most kabammy way possible, rewriting history as they went.

I've missed Chunkyb.

JOKE94

How can you introduce this change and leave LOL and Abyss as they are? They literally force you to spend hundreds of revives (especially with the carina challenges). Who can even afford to buy that many items with units?

DNA3000

Yodabolt21 said:

What makes NO SENSE at all is removing the auto fight function of these quests.

The announcement post was updated to clarify this, but the potion quests will not have an auto-complete option like the daily quests, but will allow for autofight within the map.

Yodabolt21

DNA3000 said:

Yodabolt21 said:

What makes NO SENSE at all is removing the auto fight function of these quests.

The announcement post was updated to clarify this, but the potion quests will not have an auto-complete option like the daily quests, but will allow for autofight within the map.

Oh, good. Then I'm ok with the change.... kind of, but not really.

Mauled

This is a pretty poor move. I understand that you could argue this to be a ‘loophole’ but outside of the giga whales this is pretty much the only way even end game players are willing to complete a lot of the harder content in the game.

Very good players - and I mean the better players in the masters bracket - were averaging a minimum of 30 revives/run on EoP objectives. We’re simply not going to pay the unit equivalent for that because nobody wants to grind 1200 units for a single quest.

I think that a very important ethos is being forgotten here in the game design team, and that is that this is a GAME, not a job, and this comes across as a tax for playing.

Sure, the whales will whale, but you look at your most active top tier players, and they’re not spending casually on this kind of thing, and this change isn’t going to encourage a change in behaviour.

Also maybe if the game wasn’t riddled with input issues then people would be more accepting of these changes.

No_Dollar_Bill

This is one of the most egregious anti-player moves I've seen yet from Kabam. Glad to see where the priorities appear to be--constraining non-spend ability to obtain revives for tackling non-competitive content like EOP, Story, Gauntlet and so on and essentially having inventory overflow timers to do the rest to result in most players having to dip into units for harder content. How extremely disappointing, spending labor resources fixing something that isn't broken while so many other bugs and other issues in the game abound. As previously said by Mad Titan, if this is what is going to happen they're going to need to significantly increase the number of revives that can be obtained this way in a day.

Typhoon

DNA3000 said:

Yodabolt21 said:

What makes NO SENSE at all is removing the auto fight function of these quests.

The announcement post was updated to clarify this, but the potion quests will not have an auto-complete option like the daily quests, but will allow for autofight within the map.

That's something I guess.

CloudOfContempt

Common Kabam L

Thanks for the level 1 team pot. (which you currently don't sell, so I can't even check how little health it restores)

Shiroihara

This frenzied revive farming trivializes difficult content like Carina’s Challenges and Eternity of Pain because Summoners simply spam revives

What are the implications?
1. unless you’re MSD, you are not getting the rewards
2. we want you spend all your units and cry yourself to sleep
3. we don’t care if you can’t do the last bit of the game that kept you playing

All three most likely.

Raganator

Mauled said:

Sure, the whales will whale, but you look at your most active top tier players, and they’re not spending casually on this kind of thing, and this change isn’t going to encourage a change in behaviour.

Also maybe if the game wasn’t riddled with input issues then people would be more accepting of these changes.

Agreed. It's not like this move will get non-spenders to spend. It will just create a group of players that don't complete unenjoyable content.

AustinU823

I don’t understand the logic except for to make players spend hard earned units on content. People stay engaged with the game when they’re farming resources. They’re happy to do content this way. But with this new method going forward I’d imagine the average unit spend per carinas challenge v3 could be close to 5K. Nobody is going to want to play your game if they’re stressed about their resources, Kabam. And if they did just accept this new way of doing things, now there’s no chance of ever having enough units on hand to pay for the outrageously priced deals that come around several times a year without spending money. And why would someone who is unhappy with the state of the game feel compelled to buy units or deals with their actual money at that point?

TheLightBringer

Welp, that's it for me, I'm out