So it's not the same rewards for everyone? Can we please stop using that as a line to drag people down?
The rewards are the battle tokens, not what you use them in the store. We are all competing for same rewards, which are the battle tokens.
Based on alternative logic, do you believe that those in your alliance with higher titles than you are getting better rewards than you from AQ? If so, why aren't you complaining that you are doing same AQ as them when getting "less" rewards? (The answer is because your logic is flawed and incorrect).
So it's not the same rewards for everyone? Can we please stop using that as a line to drag people down?
No, because you're wrong. There is nothing stopping someone from earning chips from the garbage matchmaking and holding them till they raise a title. Choosing to spend them has nothing to do with the fact that everyone earns the same rewards. There is no argument against that fact.
So it's not the same rewards for everyone? Can we please stop using that as a line to drag people down?
No, because you're wrong. There is nothing stopping someone from earning chips from the garbage matchmaking and holding them till they raise a title. Choosing to spend them has nothing to do with the fact that everyone earns the same rewards. There is no argument against that fact.
The argument that the rewards are the same if people who need them the most never actually use it, is not as compelling as you think it is.
The holding argument can be made for everyone. You can hold your tokens too until the next title comes along. You can simply hold it till the BG store gets inevitably upgraded at some point. Why use units to clear content, if you hold it till 2030, you can get 10-stars for the same units and BG tokens.
In your world, since everyone is just holding their tokens, BG is immaterial to anyone's progress, right? In the real world, rewards are what is available for the given currency at any point in time. They are not the same for everyone.
I am in the same situation (plat 2) and I constantly keep been matched up with paragons. And I don't think this is fair. The rewards are the same for paragons and TB but the cost is very different in the BG store. Plus, I play for fun and I don't think this is fun to be destroyed 3 times in 48h just for 600 trophy tokens. I agree to have less rewards or different cost in the store, but this is not fair to just loose every single game (and knowing it just by seeing the deck of my opponent).
You're right. It isn't fair that you were gifted Plat 2 rewards when you don't deserve them.
i agree, how come players want to play the game and have a fair match? and people who haven't progressed as far in the game do get less rewards,(only difference being elder marks and some relic shards) just look at the prices in the store. it's not like people just log in and get gifted platinum 2 rewards just for doing that, everyone in the game puts in the effort to get their rewards
and it's not even people with big accounts getting more rewards, it's the people buying units to get elder marks to matchmake using them.
Because weaker rosters SHOULD get fewer rewards than stronger rosters. That's how competitions work.
Thats not how competitions work also smaller rosters do get lesser rewards the only thing you get from winning in battlegrounds is trophy tokens which you use to get rewards which are relevant to your progression so a thronebreaker would get lesser rewards than paragon
Wrong.
The store has NOTHING to do with the rewards. Everyone is fighting for the exact same rewards. That is a FACT.
Just a comparison of costs for UC and Paragon: 6 star shard - 450 tokens (Paragon), N/A (UC) T5B - 170 tokens (Paragon), N/A (UC) T6B - 4000 tokens (Paragon), N/A (UC) T3A - 4000 tokens (Paragon), N/A (UC) T5CC - 275 tokens (Paragon), N/A (UC) 5-star sig stones - 50 tokens (Paragon), N/A (UC) 6-star sig stones - 360 tokens (Paragon), N/A (UC)
Only thing an UC can get from the BG store is T4B, T2A, T4CC and 5-star shards. This is when 7-stars are in the game. Rank up materials most Paragons have in overflow all the time and champs they stopped ranking up at least a year ago. For UC players, BG rewards are as useful as PHC crystals. It doesn't even allow them to fully rank up a 5-star. But of course, let's make them fight Paragons to get those mid-level 5-star champs. Paragons meeting daily objectives get far more valuable items than UC's get for being in GC (even adjusted for their progression level).
When BG tokens allow access to better rewards at the lower end, we can discuss about everyone fighting for same rewards. Until then, let's be honest that you just want to pummel some low strength accounts to get top end rewards (but don't want them to have access to the same).
If you are going to keep the argument that the rewards are the same, u can't use the excuse that they are "much bigger and stronger accounts"... Those much "bigger and stronger accounts" don't benefit as much as lower from the things you can buy really...Yeah sure from a UC, CAV, TB aspect.. wow 6* shards!!!... Well for a strong roster 6* shards mean nothing..
So it's not the same rewards for everyone? Can we please stop using that as a line to drag people down?
No, because you're wrong. There is nothing stopping someone from earning chips from the garbage matchmaking and holding them till they raise a title. Choosing to spend them has nothing to do with the fact that everyone earns the same rewards. There is no argument against that fact.
The argument that the rewards are the same if people who need them the most never actually use it, is not as compelling as you think it is.
The holding argument can be made for everyone. You can hold your tokens too until the next title comes along. You can simply hold it till the BG store gets inevitably upgraded at some point. Why use units to clear content, if you hold it till 2030, you can get 10-stars for the same units and BG tokens.
In your world, since everyone is just holding their tokens, BG is immaterial to anyone's progress, right? In the real world, rewards are what is available for the given currency at any point in time. They are not the same for everyone.
Please show me in-game numbers and how the REWARDS are different from title to title. Thanks.
I am in the same situation (plat 2) and I constantly keep been matched up with paragons. And I don't think this is fair. The rewards are the same for paragons and TB but the cost is very different in the BG store. Plus, I play for fun and I don't think this is fun to be destroyed 3 times in 48h just for 600 trophy tokens. I agree to have less rewards or different cost in the store, but this is not fair to just loose every single game (and knowing it just by seeing the deck of my opponent).
You're right. It isn't fair that you were gifted Plat 2 rewards when you don't deserve them.
i agree, how come players want to play the game and have a fair match? and people who haven't progressed as far in the game do get less rewards,(only difference being elder marks and some relic shards) just look at the prices in the store. it's not like people just log in and get gifted platinum 2 rewards just for doing that, everyone in the game puts in the effort to get their rewards
and it's not even people with big accounts getting more rewards, it's the people buying units to get elder marks to matchmake using them.
Please explain how a system that does not allow a low roster to match with a high roster is unfair to the lower roster.
So it's not the same rewards for everyone? Can we please stop using that as a line to drag people down?
No, because you're wrong. There is nothing stopping someone from earning chips from the garbage matchmaking and holding them till they raise a title. Choosing to spend them has nothing to do with the fact that everyone earns the same rewards. There is no argument against that fact.
The argument that the rewards are the same if people who need them the most never actually use it, is not as compelling as you think it is.
The holding argument can be made for everyone. You can hold your tokens too until the next title comes along. You can simply hold it till the BG store gets inevitably upgraded at some point. Why use units to clear content, if you hold it till 2030, you can get 10-stars for the same units and BG tokens.
In your world, since everyone is just holding their tokens, BG is immaterial to anyone's progress, right? In the real world, rewards are what is available for the given currency at any point in time. They are not the same for everyone.
Please show me in-game numbers and how the REWARDS are different from title to title. Thanks.
Because weaker rosters SHOULD get fewer rewards than stronger rosters. That's how competitions work.
Thats not how competitions work also smaller rosters do get lesser rewards the only thing you get from winning in battlegrounds is trophy tokens which you use to get rewards which are relevant to your progression so a thronebreaker would get lesser rewards than paragon
Wrong.
The store has NOTHING to do with the rewards. Everyone is fighting for the exact same rewards. That is a FACT.
Just a comparison of costs for UC and Paragon: 6 star shard - 450 tokens (Paragon), N/A (UC) T5B - 170 tokens (Paragon), N/A (UC) T6B - 4000 tokens (Paragon), N/A (UC) T3A - 4000 tokens (Paragon), N/A (UC) T5CC - 275 tokens (Paragon), N/A (UC) 5-star sig stones - 50 tokens (Paragon), N/A (UC) 6-star sig stones - 360 tokens (Paragon), N/A (UC)
Only thing an UC can get from the BG store is T4B, T2A, T4CC and 5-star shards. This is when 7-stars are in the game. Rank up materials most Paragons have in overflow all the time and champs they stopped ranking up at least a year ago. For UC players, BG rewards are as useful as PHC crystals. It doesn't even allow them to fully rank up a 5-star. But of course, let's make them fight Paragons to get those mid-level 5-star champs. Paragons meeting daily objectives get far more valuable items than UC's get for being in GC (even adjusted for their progression level).
When BG tokens allow access to better rewards at the lower end, we can discuss about everyone fighting for same rewards. Until then, let's be honest that you just want to pummel some low strength accounts to get top end rewards (but don't want them to have access to the same).
If you are going to keep the argument that the rewards are the same, u can't use the excuse that they are "much bigger and stronger accounts"... Those much "bigger and stronger accounts" don't benefit as much as lower from the things you can buy really...Yeah sure from a UC, CAV, TB aspect.. wow 6* shards!!!... Well for a strong roster 6* shards mean nothing..
I've never suggested that the rewards are the same. Rewards are tiered just like matches are.
Based on what is available in the BG store, UC gets nothing of value. They literally get 6 star shards as solo milestones but cannot buy any from the BG store. The store in the current form is almost useless to most UCs. They get more out of AQ and AW than BG. Asking them to fight Paragons to get 5-star shards and T4B is an absolute joke.
So it's not the same rewards for everyone? Can we please stop using that as a line to drag people down?
No, because you're wrong. There is nothing stopping someone from earning chips from the garbage matchmaking and holding them till they raise a title. Choosing to spend them has nothing to do with the fact that everyone earns the same rewards. There is no argument against that fact.
The argument that the rewards are the same if people who need them the most never actually use it, is not as compelling as you think it is.
The holding argument can be made for everyone. You can hold your tokens too until the next title comes along. You can simply hold it till the BG store gets inevitably upgraded at some point. Why use units to clear content, if you hold it till 2030, you can get 10-stars for the same units and BG tokens.
In your world, since everyone is just holding their tokens, BG is immaterial to anyone's progress, right? In the real world, rewards are what is available for the given currency at any point in time. They are not the same for everyone.
Please show me in-game numbers and how the REWARDS are different from title to title. Thanks.
So it's not the same rewards for everyone? Can we please stop using that as a line to drag people down?
No, because you're wrong. There is nothing stopping someone from earning chips from the garbage matchmaking and holding them till they raise a title. Choosing to spend them has nothing to do with the fact that everyone earns the same rewards. There is no argument against that fact.
The argument that the rewards are the same if people who need them the most never actually use it, is not as compelling as you think it is.
The holding argument can be made for everyone. You can hold your tokens too until the next title comes along. You can simply hold it till the BG store gets inevitably upgraded at some point. Why use units to clear content, if you hold it till 2030, you can get 10-stars for the same units and BG tokens.
In your world, since everyone is just holding their tokens, BG is immaterial to anyone's progress, right? In the real world, rewards are what is available for the given currency at any point in time. They are not the same for everyone.
Please show me in-game numbers and how the REWARDS are different from title to title. Thanks.
UC doesn't have access to most of the rewards Paragons get from BG.
Those are store prices, not rewards.
Store contents are the rewards. Unless you have a special game will allows you to acquire champs and rank them up, without converting your tokens to shards, catalysts.
Why don't you show in-game numbers for a UC to get 6-star champs and rank them up using BG tokens? Do you have a special tab where you can boost champs and revive/heal them in quests using BG tokens? Exactly how does anyone use those tokens worth without the store?
I work a 9 to 5 job. I get paid in canadian dollars. I use that money to buy groceries, pay for my house an pay for my daughers school.
The currency I receive is CAD, i don't get paid in lettuce, water and tuition.
The same applies to the rewards. We all get the same rewards, what you choose to spend is your choice.
How are people still failing to understand this.
What you pay for lettuce, water and tuition is same as what your neighbor pays. Your school doesn't ask you to pay 10x for your daughter's tuition as what her other classmates pay. How is this difficult to understand.
Spending is a choice only if everyone has access to the same items at same prices. The store isn't the same for everyone.
Only people who make the argument that the rewards are same are the ones who have access to the top end store.
So it's not the same rewards for everyone? Can we please stop using that as a line to drag people down?
No, because you're wrong. There is nothing stopping someone from earning chips from the garbage matchmaking and holding them till they raise a title. Choosing to spend them has nothing to do with the fact that everyone earns the same rewards. There is no argument against that fact.
The argument that the rewards are the same if people who need them the most never actually use it, is not as compelling as you think it is.
The holding argument can be made for everyone. You can hold your tokens too until the next title comes along. You can simply hold it till the BG store gets inevitably upgraded at some point. Why use units to clear content, if you hold it till 2030, you can get 10-stars for the same units and BG tokens.
In your world, since everyone is just holding their tokens, BG is immaterial to anyone's progress, right? In the real world, rewards are what is available for the given currency at any point in time. They are not the same for everyone.
Please show me in-game numbers and how the REWARDS are different from title to title. Thanks.
UC doesn't have access to most of the rewards Paragons get from BG.
Those are store prices, not rewards.
Store contents are the rewards. Unless you have a special game will allows you to acquire champs and rank them up, without converting your tokens to shards, catalysts.
Why don't you show in-game numbers for a UC to get 6-star champs and rank them up using BG tokens? Do you have a special tab where you can boost champs and revive/heal them in quests using BG tokens? Exactly how does anyone use those tokens worth without the store?
Wrong. The store is not the reward, it is just a place where a single piece of the rewards can be spent. All players earn the same REWARDS from BGs. That is a fact.
What your "argument" also ignores is the plethora of other rewards from BGs that are earned outside of trophy tokens. You conveniently leave out are : Elder's Marks, 3* Relic shards, 4* Relic shards, 5* Relic shards, 6* Relic shards, Ally milestones, Ally rank rewards, Solo milestones, Solo Rank rewards, Alloy and Relic cats.
I work a 9 to 5 job. I get paid in canadian dollars. I use that money to buy groceries, pay for my house an pay for my daughers school.
The currency I receive is CAD, i don't get paid in lettuce, water and tuition.
The same applies to the rewards. We all get the same rewards, what you choose to spend is your choice.
How are people still failing to understand this.
What you pay for lettuce, water and tuition is same as what your neighbor pays. Your school doesn't ask you to pay 10x for your daughter's tuition as what her other classmates pay. How is this difficult to understand.
Spending is a choice only if everyone has access to the same items at prices. The store isn't the same for everyone.
My neighbor has different needs and probably has a different job and different income, so no, its not the same. We all earn what we work for and we all choose different ways to spend that income.
You can choose to spend on items that will improve your progression, as your progression improves, your choices may change, but the income remains the same.
I work a 9 to 5 job. I get paid in canadian dollars. I use that money to buy groceries, pay for my house an pay for my daughers school.
The currency I receive is CAD, i don't get paid in lettuce, water and tuition.
The same applies to the rewards. We all get the same rewards, what you choose to spend is your choice.
How are people still failing to understand this.
What you pay for lettuce, water and tuition is same as what your neighbor pays. Your school doesn't ask you to pay 10x for your daughter's tuition as what her other classmates pay. How is this difficult to understand.
Spending is a choice only if everyone has access to the same items at same prices. The store isn't the same for everyone.
Only people who make the argument that the rewards are same are the ones who have access to the top end store.
It's all a matter of semantics. You pay the same price as your neighbor, but you earn more than them because your job is harder. Maybe that's the solution. Store prices are the same and rewards should be tiered towards progression level.
I work a 9 to 5 job. I get paid in canadian dollars. I use that money to buy groceries, pay for my house an pay for my daughers school.
The currency I receive is CAD, i don't get paid in lettuce, water and tuition.
The same applies to the rewards. We all get the same rewards, what you choose to spend is your choice.
How are people still failing to understand this.
What you pay for lettuce, water and tuition is same as what your neighbor pays. Your school doesn't ask you to pay 10x for your daughter's tuition as what her other classmates pay. How is this difficult to understand.
Spending is a choice only if everyone has access to the same items at same prices. The store isn't the same for everyone.
Only people who make the argument that the rewards are same are the ones who have access to the top end store.
It's all a matter of semantics. You pay the same price as your neighbor, but you earn more than them because your job is harder. Maybe that's the solution. Store prices are the same and rewards should be tiered towards progression level.
You, good sir, deserve a cookie.
Although your solution sounds solid, I'm guessing it would create a different set of problems.
This is not a simple problem to tackle, and I'm sure Kabam have some solutions up their sleeve.
Does matchmaking suck? Yes. Is it fair? Not 100%. Does it work right now? To an extent. Is it easy to solve? F no. Should this stop anyone from playing BGs? Absolutely not. Are BGs an amazing source of resources? You bet your sweet behind it is.
My neighbor has different needs and probably has a different job and different income, so no, its not the same. We all earn what we work for and we all choose different ways to spend that income.
Imagine this, you earn 100 CAD from your job. Your neighbor also earns 100 CAD from their job. You have only one store in your area. Your neighbor can purchase anything they want from the store for 1 CAD/item. However, you can only buy water and bread at a cost of 10 CAD/item.
Do you think your spending is a choice in this case? Do you think you and your neighbor are earning the same in this case?
My neighbor has different needs and probably has a different job and different income, so no, its not the same. We all earn what we work for and we all choose different ways to spend that income.
Imagine this, you earn 100 CAD from your job. Your neighbor also earns 100 CAD from their job. You have only one store in your area. Your neighbor can purchase anything they want from the store for 1 CAD/item. However, you can only buy water and bread at a cost of 10 CAD/item.
Do you think your spending is a choice in this case? Do you think you and your neighbor are earning the same in this case?
You are completely missing the point and speaking in hypothetically hypothetical scenarios.
The fact is simple, you and I both earn the same currency for participating in BGs. You have needs of your own that may or may not be the same as mine, therefor you have different spending habits to mine. But WE EARN THE SAME AMMOUNT OF CURRENCY FROM BGs.
So it's not the same rewards for everyone? Can we please stop using that as a line to drag people down?
No, because you're wrong. There is nothing stopping someone from earning chips from the garbage matchmaking and holding them till they raise a title. Choosing to spend them has nothing to do with the fact that everyone earns the same rewards. There is no argument against that fact.
The argument that the rewards are the same if people who need them the most never actually use it, is not as compelling as you think it is.
The holding argument can be made for everyone. You can hold your tokens too until the next title comes along. You can simply hold it till the BG store gets inevitably upgraded at some point. Why use units to clear content, if you hold it till 2030, you can get 10-stars for the same units and BG tokens.
In your world, since everyone is just holding their tokens, BG is immaterial to anyone's progress, right? In the real world, rewards are what is available for the given currency at any point in time. They are not the same for everyone.
Please show me in-game numbers and how the REWARDS are different from title to title. Thanks.
UC doesn't have access to most of the rewards Paragons get from BG.
Those are store prices, not rewards.
Store contents are the rewards. Unless you have a special game will allows you to acquire champs and rank them up, without converting your tokens to shards, catalysts.
Why don't you show in-game numbers for a UC to get 6-star champs and rank them up using BG tokens? Do you have a special tab where you can boost champs and revive/heal them in quests using BG tokens? Exactly how does anyone use those tokens worth without the store?
Wrong. The store is not the reward, it is just a place where a single piece of the rewards can be spent. All players earn the same REWARDS from BGs. That is a fact.
What your "argument" also ignores is the plethora of other rewards from BGs that are earned outside of trophy tokens. You conveniently leave out are : Elder's Marks, 3* Relic shards, 4* Relic shards, 5* Relic shards, 6* Relic shards, Ally milestones, Ally rank rewards, Solo milestones, Solo Rank rewards, Alloy and Relic cats.
But, please go on about the store prices.
I'm sure UCs who are banned from accessing 6-star shards in the store, are swimming in 6-star relics. All of this is rewards talk is just a smokescreen for wanting easier matchups while trying to block progress of those accounts.
Entire solo milestones give ~10K 6-star shards? That's 4500 tokens for a Paragon (5-6 days of repeating objects, of 3 matches each?) Open up matchmaking and make the same store available to everyone, UCs will progress much faster than they do with the current BG.
I'm sure you will not want that. You think UCs should face off against Paragons but not get anything to make their roster stronger. Lose to Paragons and buy more 5-stars from the store, but can't rank them up beyond r4.
mate, the matchmaking system is based on the availability of the members when you click on the button. it tries to match the profile of yours with somewhere equivalent PI & Prestige with the tier you are in, but if you are unlucky and very few members are there online at the time in your server, then it is tough luck. sometimes you might get a lower opponent, which means that the same thing happened to your opponent, you were the nearest closest member at the time online on a particular server
the problem with the matchmaking here is it doesnt search different servers to get an opponent for us, if the system does that then it would have been a fair one, but that will lead to serious lag and connection loss. so we have to deal with it
So it's not the same rewards for everyone? Can we please stop using that as a line to drag people down?
No, because you're wrong. There is nothing stopping someone from earning chips from the garbage matchmaking and holding them till they raise a title. Choosing to spend them has nothing to do with the fact that everyone earns the same rewards. There is no argument against that fact.
The argument that the rewards are the same if people who need them the most never actually use it, is not as compelling as you think it is.
The holding argument can be made for everyone. You can hold your tokens too until the next title comes along. You can simply hold it till the BG store gets inevitably upgraded at some point. Why use units to clear content, if you hold it till 2030, you can get 10-stars for the same units and BG tokens.
In your world, since everyone is just holding their tokens, BG is immaterial to anyone's progress, right? In the real world, rewards are what is available for the given currency at any point in time. They are not the same for everyone.
Please show me in-game numbers and how the REWARDS are different from title to title. Thanks.
UC doesn't have access to most of the rewards Paragons get from BG.
Those are store prices, not rewards.
Store contents are the rewards. Unless you have a special game will allows you to acquire champs and rank them up, without converting your tokens to shards, catalysts.
Why don't you show in-game numbers for a UC to get 6-star champs and rank them up using BG tokens? Do you have a special tab where you can boost champs and revive/heal them in quests using BG tokens? Exactly how does anyone use those tokens worth without the store?
Wrong. The store is not the reward, it is just a place where a single piece of the rewards can be spent. All players earn the same REWARDS from BGs. That is a fact.
What your "argument" also ignores is the plethora of other rewards from BGs that are earned outside of trophy tokens. You conveniently leave out are : Elder's Marks, 3* Relic shards, 4* Relic shards, 5* Relic shards, 6* Relic shards, Ally milestones, Ally rank rewards, Solo milestones, Solo Rank rewards, Alloy and Relic cats.
But, please go on about the store prices.
I'm sure UCs who are banned from accessing 6-star shards in the store, are swimming in 6-star relics. All of this is rewards talk is just a smokescreen for wanting easier matchups while trying to block progress of those accounts.
Entire solo milestones give ~10K 6-star shards? That's 4500 tokens for a Paragon (5-6 days of repeating objects, of 3 matches each?) Open up matchmaking and make the same store available to everyone, UCs will progress much faster than they do with the current BG.
I'm sure you will not want that. You think UCs should face off against Paragons but not get anything to make their roster stronger. Lose to Paragons and buy more 5-stars from the store, but can't rank them up beyond r4.
Stop talking about the store. The store doesn't matter. That same UC player you're talking about is raking in the 6* shards from the solo and ally milestone rewards because his wins vs other UC players earn the same amount of points as a 17k Paragon beating another 17k Paragon.
I have zero desire to fight a UC player, no one is saying that. What I want is to fight other Paragons at the appropriate tier.
I can attest to the change in Platinum matchmaking. I didn't push this season so I can focus on other content, but had some time yesterday and this morning. I went from Gold 2 to GC Most accounts were still repping 5 stars. Kabam did mention accounts would peak at various levels of VT, so I think they achieved their goal.
As for the game mode overall and lower level accounts having an issue with matchmaking, there's no easy solution. It's a rat race. The entire community begins at 0. You may take an early lead, but eventually, big accounts catch up. The frustration you are experiencing is similar to the way some paragons feel at the beginning. The game mode is a chore in the early stages.
I remember back when I first started and arenas became a thing. I didn't have the roster to compete to get the top rewards. I knew that going in, so I focused on completing game content in order to add champs and rank up materials to build up my roster. There weren't even any shards from duping champs back then, so it was spending units on PHC's or completing content.
Nowadays, shards are everywhere. People are adding champs to their rosters in high rarities, but aren't taking the time to rank up most of them. Instead of looking at the game mode as the issue, take the time to improve your roster the old fashion way...completing content and ranking up more than just those "god-tier" champs. Many of the lesser champs are useful in BG's To finish it off with one more analogy: It's almost like handing your 16 year old kid the keys to you a new Benz when he/she has never actually owned something before.
So it's not the same rewards for everyone? Can we please stop using that as a line to drag people down?
No, because you're wrong. There is nothing stopping someone from earning chips from the garbage matchmaking and holding them till they raise a title. Choosing to spend them has nothing to do with the fact that everyone earns the same rewards. There is no argument against that fact.
The argument that the rewards are the same if people who need them the most never actually use it, is not as compelling as you think it is.
The holding argument can be made for everyone. You can hold your tokens too until the next title comes along. You can simply hold it till the BG store gets inevitably upgraded at some point. Why use units to clear content, if you hold it till 2030, you can get 10-stars for the same units and BG tokens.
In your world, since everyone is just holding their tokens, BG is immaterial to anyone's progress, right? In the real world, rewards are what is available for the given currency at any point in time. They are not the same for everyone.
Please show me in-game numbers and how the REWARDS are different from title to title. Thanks.
UC doesn't have access to most of the rewards Paragons get from BG.
Those are store prices, not rewards.
Store contents are the rewards. Unless you have a special game will allows you to acquire champs and rank them up, without converting your tokens to shards, catalysts.
Why don't you show in-game numbers for a UC to get 6-star champs and rank them up using BG tokens? Do you have a special tab where you can boost champs and revive/heal them in quests using BG tokens? Exactly how does anyone use those tokens worth without the store?
Wrong. The store is not the reward, it is just a place where a single piece of the rewards can be spent. All players earn the same REWARDS from BGs. That is a fact.
What your "argument" also ignores is the plethora of other rewards from BGs that are earned outside of trophy tokens. You conveniently leave out are : Elder's Marks, 3* Relic shards, 4* Relic shards, 5* Relic shards, 6* Relic shards, Ally milestones, Ally rank rewards, Solo milestones, Solo Rank rewards, Alloy and Relic cats.
But, please go on about the store prices.
I'm sure UCs who are banned from accessing 6-star shards in the store, are swimming in 6-star relics. All of this is rewards talk is just a smokescreen for wanting easier matchups while trying to block progress of those accounts.
Entire solo milestones give ~10K 6-star shards? That's 4500 tokens for a Paragon (5-6 days of repeating objects, of 3 matches each?) Open up matchmaking and make the same store available to everyone, UCs will progress much faster than they do with the current BG.
I'm sure you will not want that. You think UCs should face off against Paragons but not get anything to make their roster stronger. Lose to Paragons and buy more 5-stars from the store, but can't rank them up beyond r4.
Stop talking about the store. The store doesn't matter. That same UC player you're talking about is raking in the 6* shards from the solo and ally milestone rewards because his wins vs other UC players earn the same amount of points as a 17k Paragon beating another 17k Paragon.
I have zero desire to fight a UC player, no one is saying that. What I want is to fight other Paragons at the appropriate tier.
Store is the bulk of the rewards. Without the store the entire BG game mode is irrelevant.
So it's not the same rewards for everyone? Can we please stop using that as a line to drag people down?
No, because you're wrong. There is nothing stopping someone from earning chips from the garbage matchmaking and holding them till they raise a title. Choosing to spend them has nothing to do with the fact that everyone earns the same rewards. There is no argument against that fact.
The argument that the rewards are the same if people who need them the most never actually use it, is not as compelling as you think it is.
The holding argument can be made for everyone. You can hold your tokens too until the next title comes along. You can simply hold it till the BG store gets inevitably upgraded at some point. Why use units to clear content, if you hold it till 2030, you can get 10-stars for the same units and BG tokens.
In your world, since everyone is just holding their tokens, BG is immaterial to anyone's progress, right? In the real world, rewards are what is available for the given currency at any point in time. They are not the same for everyone.
Please show me in-game numbers and how the REWARDS are different from title to title. Thanks.
UC doesn't have access to most of the rewards Paragons get from BG.
Those are store prices, not rewards.
Store contents are the rewards. Unless you have a special game will allows you to acquire champs and rank them up, without converting your tokens to shards, catalysts.
Why don't you show in-game numbers for a UC to get 6-star champs and rank them up using BG tokens? Do you have a special tab where you can boost champs and revive/heal them in quests using BG tokens? Exactly how does anyone use those tokens worth without the store?
Wrong. The store is not the reward, it is just a place where a single piece of the rewards can be spent. All players earn the same REWARDS from BGs. That is a fact.
What your "argument" also ignores is the plethora of other rewards from BGs that are earned outside of trophy tokens. You conveniently leave out are : Elder's Marks, 3* Relic shards, 4* Relic shards, 5* Relic shards, 6* Relic shards, Ally milestones, Ally rank rewards, Solo milestones, Solo Rank rewards, Alloy and Relic cats.
But, please go on about the store prices.
I'm sure UCs who are banned from accessing 6-star shards in the store, are swimming in 6-star relics. All of this is rewards talk is just a smokescreen for wanting easier matchups while trying to block progress of those accounts.
Entire solo milestones give ~10K 6-star shards? That's 4500 tokens for a Paragon (5-6 days of repeating objects, of 3 matches each?) Open up matchmaking and make the same store available to everyone, UCs will progress much faster than they do with the current BG.
I'm sure you will not want that. You think UCs should face off against Paragons but not get anything to make their roster stronger. Lose to Paragons and buy more 5-stars from the store, but can't rank them up beyond r4.
Stop talking about the store. The store doesn't matter. That same UC player you're talking about is raking in the 6* shards from the solo and ally milestone rewards because his wins vs other UC players earn the same amount of points as a 17k Paragon beating another 17k Paragon.
I have zero desire to fight a UC player, no one is saying that. What I want is to fight other Paragons at the appropriate tier.
Store is the bulk of the rewards. Without the store the entire BG game mode is irrelevant.
So it's not the same rewards for everyone? Can we please stop using that as a line to drag people down?
No, because you're wrong. There is nothing stopping someone from earning chips from the garbage matchmaking and holding them till they raise a title. Choosing to spend them has nothing to do with the fact that everyone earns the same rewards. There is no argument against that fact.
The argument that the rewards are the same if people who need them the most never actually use it, is not as compelling as you think it is.
The holding argument can be made for everyone. You can hold your tokens too until the next title comes along. You can simply hold it till the BG store gets inevitably upgraded at some point. Why use units to clear content, if you hold it till 2030, you can get 10-stars for the same units and BG tokens.
In your world, since everyone is just holding their tokens, BG is immaterial to anyone's progress, right? In the real world, rewards are what is available for the given currency at any point in time. They are not the same for everyone.
Please show me in-game numbers and how the REWARDS are different from title to title. Thanks.
UC doesn't have access to most of the rewards Paragons get from BG.
Those are store prices, not rewards.
Store contents are the rewards. Unless you have a special game will allows you to acquire champs and rank them up, without converting your tokens to shards, catalysts.
Why don't you show in-game numbers for a UC to get 6-star champs and rank them up using BG tokens? Do you have a special tab where you can boost champs and revive/heal them in quests using BG tokens? Exactly how does anyone use those tokens worth without the store?
Wrong. The store is not the reward, it is just a place where a single piece of the rewards can be spent. All players earn the same REWARDS from BGs. That is a fact.
What your "argument" also ignores is the plethora of other rewards from BGs that are earned outside of trophy tokens. You conveniently leave out are : Elder's Marks, 3* Relic shards, 4* Relic shards, 5* Relic shards, 6* Relic shards, Ally milestones, Ally rank rewards, Solo milestones, Solo Rank rewards, Alloy and Relic cats.
But, please go on about the store prices.
I'm sure UCs who are banned from accessing 6-star shards in the store, are swimming in 6-star relics. All of this is rewards talk is just a smokescreen for wanting easier matchups while trying to block progress of those accounts.
Entire solo milestones give ~10K 6-star shards? That's 4500 tokens for a Paragon (5-6 days of repeating objects, of 3 matches each?) Open up matchmaking and make the same store available to everyone, UCs will progress much faster than they do with the current BG.
I'm sure you will not want that. You think UCs should face off against Paragons but not get anything to make their roster stronger. Lose to Paragons and buy more 5-stars from the store, but can't rank them up beyond r4.
Stop talking about the store. The store doesn't matter. That same UC player you're talking about is raking in the 6* shards from the solo and ally milestone rewards because his wins vs other UC players earn the same amount of points as a 17k Paragon beating another 17k Paragon.
I have zero desire to fight a UC player, no one is saying that. What I want is to fight other Paragons at the appropriate tier.
Store is the bulk of the rewards. Without the store the entire BG game mode is irrelevant.
Wrong.
You realize that Paragon is just an in-game title, it doesn't make you an arbiter of truth.
Because weaker rosters SHOULD get fewer rewards than stronger rosters. That's how competitions work.
I’m almost with you on this one, except I think it should be, “Players with weaker rosters, who cannot use skill to beat stronger rosters than their own, should get fewer rewards than players who consistently win more than them (usually with the help of a larger roster).”
So it's not the same rewards for everyone? Can we please stop using that as a line to drag people down?
No, because you're wrong. There is nothing stopping someone from earning chips from the garbage matchmaking and holding them till they raise a title. Choosing to spend them has nothing to do with the fact that everyone earns the same rewards. There is no argument against that fact.
The argument that the rewards are the same if people who need them the most never actually use it, is not as compelling as you think it is.
The holding argument can be made for everyone. You can hold your tokens too until the next title comes along. You can simply hold it till the BG store gets inevitably upgraded at some point. Why use units to clear content, if you hold it till 2030, you can get 10-stars for the same units and BG tokens.
In your world, since everyone is just holding their tokens, BG is immaterial to anyone's progress, right? In the real world, rewards are what is available for the given currency at any point in time. They are not the same for everyone.
Please show me in-game numbers and how the REWARDS are different from title to title. Thanks.
UC doesn't have access to most of the rewards Paragons get from BG.
Those are store prices, not rewards.
Store contents are the rewards. Unless you have a special game will allows you to acquire champs and rank them up, without converting your tokens to shards, catalysts.
Why don't you show in-game numbers for a UC to get 6-star champs and rank them up using BG tokens? Do you have a special tab where you can boost champs and revive/heal them in quests using BG tokens? Exactly how does anyone use those tokens worth without the store?
Wrong. The store is not the reward, it is just a place where a single piece of the rewards can be spent. All players earn the same REWARDS from BGs. That is a fact.
What your "argument" also ignores is the plethora of other rewards from BGs that are earned outside of trophy tokens. You conveniently leave out are : Elder's Marks, 3* Relic shards, 4* Relic shards, 5* Relic shards, 6* Relic shards, Ally milestones, Ally rank rewards, Solo milestones, Solo Rank rewards, Alloy and Relic cats.
But, please go on about the store prices.
I'm sure UCs who are banned from accessing 6-star shards in the store, are swimming in 6-star relics. All of this is rewards talk is just a smokescreen for wanting easier matchups while trying to block progress of those accounts.
Entire solo milestones give ~10K 6-star shards? That's 4500 tokens for a Paragon (5-6 days of repeating objects, of 3 matches each?) Open up matchmaking and make the same store available to everyone, UCs will progress much faster than they do with the current BG.
I'm sure you will not want that. You think UCs should face off against Paragons but not get anything to make their roster stronger. Lose to Paragons and buy more 5-stars from the store, but can't rank them up beyond r4.
Stop talking about the store. The store doesn't matter. That same UC player you're talking about is raking in the 6* shards from the solo and ally milestone rewards because his wins vs other UC players earn the same amount of points as a 17k Paragon beating another 17k Paragon.
I have zero desire to fight a UC player, no one is saying that. What I want is to fight other Paragons at the appropriate tier.
Store is the bulk of the rewards. Without the store the entire BG game mode is irrelevant.
So it's not the same rewards for everyone? Can we please stop using that as a line to drag people down?
No, because you're wrong. There is nothing stopping someone from earning chips from the garbage matchmaking and holding them till they raise a title. Choosing to spend them has nothing to do with the fact that everyone earns the same rewards. There is no argument against that fact.
The argument that the rewards are the same if people who need them the most never actually use it, is not as compelling as you think it is.
The holding argument can be made for everyone. You can hold your tokens too until the next title comes along. You can simply hold it till the BG store gets inevitably upgraded at some point. Why use units to clear content, if you hold it till 2030, you can get 10-stars for the same units and BG tokens.
In your world, since everyone is just holding their tokens, BG is immaterial to anyone's progress, right? In the real world, rewards are what is available for the given currency at any point in time. They are not the same for everyone.
Please show me in-game numbers and how the REWARDS are different from title to title. Thanks.
UC doesn't have access to most of the rewards Paragons get from BG.
Those are store prices, not rewards.
Store contents are the rewards. Unless you have a special game will allows you to acquire champs and rank them up, without converting your tokens to shards, catalysts.
Why don't you show in-game numbers for a UC to get 6-star champs and rank them up using BG tokens? Do you have a special tab where you can boost champs and revive/heal them in quests using BG tokens? Exactly how does anyone use those tokens worth without the store?
Wrong. The store is not the reward, it is just a place where a single piece of the rewards can be spent. All players earn the same REWARDS from BGs. That is a fact.
What your "argument" also ignores is the plethora of other rewards from BGs that are earned outside of trophy tokens. You conveniently leave out are : Elder's Marks, 3* Relic shards, 4* Relic shards, 5* Relic shards, 6* Relic shards, Ally milestones, Ally rank rewards, Solo milestones, Solo Rank rewards, Alloy and Relic cats.
But, please go on about the store prices.
I'm sure UCs who are banned from accessing 6-star shards in the store, are swimming in 6-star relics. All of this is rewards talk is just a smokescreen for wanting easier matchups while trying to block progress of those accounts.
Entire solo milestones give ~10K 6-star shards? That's 4500 tokens for a Paragon (5-6 days of repeating objects, of 3 matches each?) Open up matchmaking and make the same store available to everyone, UCs will progress much faster than they do with the current BG.
I'm sure you will not want that. You think UCs should face off against Paragons but not get anything to make their roster stronger. Lose to Paragons and buy more 5-stars from the store, but can't rank them up beyond r4.
Stop talking about the store. The store doesn't matter. That same UC player you're talking about is raking in the 6* shards from the solo and ally milestone rewards because his wins vs other UC players earn the same amount of points as a 17k Paragon beating another 17k Paragon.
I have zero desire to fight a UC player, no one is saying that. What I want is to fight other Paragons at the appropriate tier.
Store is the bulk of the rewards. Without the store the entire BG game mode is irrelevant.
Wrong.
Correct me if im wrong but 30,000 is a bigger number than 10,000 right?
My neighbor has different needs and probably has a different job and different income, so no, its not the same. We all earn what we work for and we all choose different ways to spend that income.
Imagine this, you earn 100 CAD from your job. Your neighbor also earns 100 CAD from their job. You have only one store in your area. Your neighbor can purchase anything they want from the store for 1 CAD/item. However, you can only buy water and bread at a cost of 10 CAD/item.
Do you think your spending is a choice in this case? Do you think you and your neighbor are earning the same in this case?
Then u go to a different store .. (You push the progression that suits u)... Being a lower progression is a choice ... As a UC u should not be focusing on BGs... Its your choice to do so.. UC is the 4th progression lvl earning the same ammount of elder marks, relics, alliance milestones, solo milestones, and yes TROPHIES as the top progression lvl... Doesnt make sense
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Based on alternative logic, do you believe that those in your alliance with higher titles than you are getting better rewards than you from AQ? If so, why aren't you complaining that you are doing same AQ as them when getting "less" rewards? (The answer is because your logic is flawed and incorrect).
The holding argument can be made for everyone. You can hold your tokens too until the next title comes along. You can simply hold it till the BG store gets inevitably upgraded at some point. Why use units to clear content, if you hold it till 2030, you can get 10-stars for the same units and BG tokens.
In your world, since everyone is just holding their tokens, BG is immaterial to anyone's progress, right? In the real world, rewards are what is available for the given currency at any point in time. They are not the same for everyone.
and people who haven't progressed as far in the game do get less rewards,(only difference being elder marks and some relic shards) just look at the prices in the store.
it's not like people just log in and get gifted platinum 2 rewards just for doing that, everyone in the game puts in the effort to get their rewards
and it's not even people with big accounts getting more rewards, it's the people buying units to get elder marks to matchmake using them.
Those much "bigger and stronger accounts" don't benefit as much as lower from the things you can buy really...Yeah sure from a UC, CAV, TB aspect.. wow 6* shards!!!... Well for a strong roster 6* shards mean nothing..
T5B - 170 tokens (Paragon), N/A (UC)
T6B - 4000 tokens (Paragon), N/A (UC)
T3A - 4000 tokens (Paragon), N/A (UC)
T5CC - 275 tokens (Paragon), N/A (UC)
5-star sig stones - 50 tokens (Paragon), N/A (UC)
6-star sig stones - 360 tokens (Paragon), N/A (UC)
UC doesn't have access to most of the rewards Paragons get from BG.
Based on what is available in the BG store, UC gets nothing of value. They literally get 6 star shards as solo milestones but cannot buy any from the BG store. The store in the current form is almost useless to most UCs. They get more out of AQ and AW than BG. Asking them to fight Paragons to get 5-star shards and T4B is an absolute joke.
It's so repetitive and pointless.
Why don't you show in-game numbers for a UC to get 6-star champs and rank them up using BG tokens? Do you have a special tab where you can boost champs and revive/heal them in quests using BG tokens? Exactly how does anyone use those tokens worth without the store?
The currency I receive is CAD, i don't get paid in lettuce, water and tuition.
The same applies to the rewards. We all get the same rewards, what you choose to spend is your choice.
How are people still failing to understand this.
Spending is a choice only if everyone has access to the same items at same prices. The store isn't the same for everyone.
Only people who make the argument that the rewards are same are the ones who have access to the top end store.
What your "argument" also ignores is the plethora of other rewards from BGs that are earned outside of trophy tokens. You conveniently leave out are : Elder's Marks, 3* Relic shards, 4* Relic shards, 5* Relic shards, 6* Relic shards, Ally milestones, Ally rank rewards, Solo milestones, Solo Rank rewards, Alloy and Relic cats.
But, please go on about the store prices.
You can choose to spend on items that will improve your progression, as your progression improves, your choices may change, but the income remains the same.
Although your solution sounds solid, I'm guessing it would create a different set of problems.
This is not a simple problem to tackle, and I'm sure Kabam have some solutions up their sleeve.
Does matchmaking suck? Yes.
Is it fair? Not 100%.
Does it work right now? To an extent.
Is it easy to solve? F no.
Should this stop anyone from playing BGs? Absolutely not.
Are BGs an amazing source of resources? You bet your sweet behind it is.
Do you think your spending is a choice in this case? Do you think you and your neighbor are earning the same in this case?
The fact is simple, you and I both earn the same currency for participating in BGs. You have needs of your own that may or may not be the same as mine, therefor you have different spending habits to mine. But WE EARN THE SAME AMMOUNT OF CURRENCY FROM BGs.
Entire solo milestones give ~10K 6-star shards? That's 4500 tokens for a Paragon (5-6 days of repeating objects, of 3 matches each?) Open up matchmaking and make the same store available to everyone, UCs will progress much faster than they do with the current BG.
I'm sure you will not want that. You think UCs should face off against Paragons but not get anything to make their roster stronger. Lose to Paragons and buy more 5-stars from the store, but can't rank them up beyond r4.
the problem with the matchmaking here is it doesnt search different servers to get an opponent for us, if the system does that then it would have been a fair one, but that will lead to serious lag and connection loss. so we have to deal with it
I have zero desire to fight a UC player, no one is saying that. What I want is to fight other Paragons at the appropriate tier.
As for the game mode overall and lower level accounts having an issue with matchmaking, there's no easy solution. It's a rat race. The entire community begins at 0. You may take an early lead, but eventually, big accounts catch up. The frustration you are experiencing is similar to the way some paragons feel at the beginning. The game mode is a chore in the early stages.
I remember back when I first started and arenas became a thing. I didn't have the roster to compete to get the top rewards. I knew that going in, so I focused on completing game content in order to add champs and rank up materials to build up my roster. There weren't even any shards from duping champs back then, so it was spending units on PHC's or completing content.
Nowadays, shards are everywhere. People are adding champs to their rosters in high rarities, but aren't taking the time to rank up most of them. Instead of looking at the game mode as the issue, take the time to improve your roster the old fashion way...completing content and ranking up more than just those "god-tier" champs. Many of the lesser champs are useful in BG's To finish it off with one more analogy: It's almost like handing your 16 year old kid the keys to you a new Benz when he/she has never actually owned something before.
UC is the 4th progression lvl earning the same ammount of elder marks, relics, alliance milestones, solo milestones, and yes TROPHIES as the top progression lvl... Doesnt make sense