Kabam has made it crystal clear

MikeHancho31 · June 2023

They don't care if you cheat. TCN at #1 is a joke.

Keonex · June 2023

yeah how do 2 known cheater alliance get rank 1 and rank 2 is ridiculous

so yeah i guess everyone should be cheating then

Deuce101 · June 2023

Seriously they just give them a slap on the wrist for doing one thing then do nothing about other things that they did

Atomic_atomic1 · June 2023

BgBar and 4BGSs deserve top 5. Simple as that

laserjohn26 · June 2023

I really don't understand. Let's just say that the number 1 alliance had 16 cheaters banned. Those players have been at the top of the arena for two years now. Putting up almost 300 million points every arena before the cooldown change and 400 million after is an ungodly amount of battle chips every week. Extremely conservatively that is 5000 units a week per person that was stolen. Pretty easy to place number 1 when you have for all intents and purposes and unlimited amount of units to steal elders marks with.

Eb0ny-O-M4w · June 2023

They cant permanently ban cheaters. They can't even lock these cheaters from playing this content ever again.

Truly shameful

Fit_Fun9329 · June 2023

When everyone is cheating no one is cheating

Deuce101 · June 2023

The Kabam motto is “if they spend a lot of money and cheat they aren’t cheating”

GoingBack · June 2023

Fit_Fun9329 said:
When everyone is cheating no one is cheating

When everyone is cheating, everyone is cheating. Fixed it for you…

GroundedWisdom · June 2023

Okay, this is going in all different directions.
First of all, the Leaderboard isn't always a reflection of whatever actions have been taken.
Secondly, they don't "allow" cheating based on spending. I wish that conspiracy would die.
Thirdly, you can't assume every Member is cheating if one or some are caught. There is certainly room for debate in relation to removing their Alliance Points if they're caught, but this idea that they cheated here and used it there etc...isn't something that can be addressed in any kind of specific manner. That's a game of Clue.
I understand that people are upset that a permanent ban isn't the first response, but let's wait for more information before we scream fire.

Colinwhitworth69 · June 2023

GroundedWisdom said:
Okay, this is going in all different directions.
First of all, the Leaderboard isn't always a reflection of whatever actions have been taken.
Secondly, they don't "allow" cheating based on spending. I wish that conspiracy would die.
Thirdly, you can't assume every Member is cheating if one or some are caught. There is certainly room for debate in relation to removing their Alliance Points if they're caught, but this idea that they cheated here and used it there etc...isn't something that can be addressed in any kind of specific manner. That's a game of Clue.
I understand that people are upset that a permanent ban isn't the first response, but let's wait for more information before we scream fire.

Screaming fire is the default mode for most folks on this forum.

DarkestDestroyer · June 2023

@Kabam Miike is cheating being taken seriously because this is bang out of order on every level, wether they spend or not, you can’t be shafting EVERYONE else, and keep the cheaters with that rank.

It’s so unfair, I mean what’s the point? Can you give a valid reason as to why this is okay?

Keonex · June 2023

GroundedWisdom said:
Okay, this is going in all different directions.
First of all, the Leaderboard isn't always a reflection of whatever actions have been taken.
Secondly, they don't "allow" cheating based on spending. I wish that conspiracy would die.
Thirdly, you can't assume every Member is cheating if one or some are caught. There is certainly room for debate in relation to removing their Alliance Points if they're caught, but this idea that they cheated here and used it there etc...isn't something that can be addressed in any kind of specific manner. That's a game of Clue.
I understand that people are upset that a permanent ban isn't the first response, but let's wait for more information before we scream fire.

if the leaderboards was a true reflection then my alliance would have been higher, we ranked 4th.

so your wrong

it definitely hurts us legit players that play the game honestly when an alliance known to be cheaters places higher than yours.

what message is Kabam sending when the number 1 ranked alliance is known cheaters

GroundedWisdom · June 2023

Keonex said:

GroundedWisdom said:
Okay, this is going in all different directions.
First of all, the Leaderboard isn't always a reflection of whatever actions have been taken.
Secondly, they don't "allow" cheating based on spending. I wish that conspiracy would die.
Thirdly, you can't assume every Member is cheating if one or some are caught. There is certainly room for debate in relation to removing their Alliance Points if they're caught, but this idea that they cheated here and used it there etc...isn't something that can be addressed in any kind of specific manner. That's a game of Clue.
I understand that people are upset that a permanent ban isn't the first response, but let's wait for more information before we scream fire.
if the leaderboards was a true reflection then my alliance would have been higher, we ranked 4th.

so your wrong

it definitely hurts us legit players that play the game honestly when an alliance known to be cheaters places higher than yours.

what message is Kabam sending when the number 1 ranked alliance is known cheaters

I mean the actions on individual Accounts.
Do you know that the entire Alliance is cheating, or just one or some individuals?

KillSwitch · June 2023

GroundedWisdom said:

Keonex said:

GroundedWisdom said:
Okay, this is going in all different directions.
First of all, the Leaderboard isn't always a reflection of whatever actions have been taken.
Secondly, they don't "allow" cheating based on spending. I wish that conspiracy would die.
Thirdly, you can't assume every Member is cheating if one or some are caught. There is certainly room for debate in relation to removing their Alliance Points if they're caught, but this idea that they cheated here and used it there etc...isn't something that can be addressed in any kind of specific manner. That's a game of Clue.
I understand that people are upset that a permanent ban isn't the first response, but let's wait for more information before we scream fire.
if the leaderboards was a true reflection then my alliance would have been higher, we ranked 4th.

so your wrong

it definitely hurts us legit players that play the game honestly when an alliance known to be cheaters places higher than yours.

what message is Kabam sending when the number 1 ranked alliance is known cheaters
I mean the actions on individual Accounts.
Do you know that the entire Alliance is cheating, or just one or some individuals?

If I knew my kid was stealing money from someone and putting it into the family pot would I be in the clear? Or should I have done something to make sure that doesn’t continue? I cannot kick my kid out of our family, but those known cheaters should be kicked from a “prestigious” alliance…

Keonex · June 2023

GroundedWisdom said:

Keonex said:

GroundedWisdom said:
Okay, this is going in all different directions.
First of all, the Leaderboard isn't always a reflection of whatever actions have been taken.
Secondly, they don't "allow" cheating based on spending. I wish that conspiracy would die.
Thirdly, you can't assume every Member is cheating if one or some are caught. There is certainly room for debate in relation to removing their Alliance Points if they're caught, but this idea that they cheated here and used it there etc...isn't something that can be addressed in any kind of specific manner. That's a game of Clue.
I understand that people are upset that a permanent ban isn't the first response, but let's wait for more information before we scream fire.
if the leaderboards was a true reflection then my alliance would have been higher, we ranked 4th.

so your wrong

it definitely hurts us legit players that play the game honestly when an alliance known to be cheaters places higher than yours.

what message is Kabam sending when the number 1 ranked alliance is known cheaters
I mean the actions on individual Accounts.
Do you know that the entire Alliance is cheating, or just one or some individuals?

more than 1/2 the alliance got temp bans, and particularly one that to not go against tos cant name placed top 10 in GC that was also temp ban for arena bots

So yeah the whole alliance is cheaters evn the leader was give a ban. So what does that tell you.

GroundedWisdom · June 2023

KillSwitch said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Keonex said:

GroundedWisdom said:
Okay, this is going in all different directions.
First of all, the Leaderboard isn't always a reflection of whatever actions have been taken.
Secondly, they don't "allow" cheating based on spending. I wish that conspiracy would die.
Thirdly, you can't assume every Member is cheating if one or some are caught. There is certainly room for debate in relation to removing their Alliance Points if they're caught, but this idea that they cheated here and used it there etc...isn't something that can be addressed in any kind of specific manner. That's a game of Clue.
I understand that people are upset that a permanent ban isn't the first response, but let's wait for more information before we scream fire.
if the leaderboards was a true reflection then my alliance would have been higher, we ranked 4th.

so your wrong

it definitely hurts us legit players that play the game honestly when an alliance known to be cheaters places higher than yours.

what message is Kabam sending when the number 1 ranked alliance is known cheaters
I mean the actions on individual Accounts.
Do you know that the entire Alliance is cheating, or just one or some individuals?
If I knew my kid was stealing money from someone and putting it into the family pot would I be in the clear? Or should I have done something to make sure that doesn’t continue? I cannot kick my kid out of our family, but those known cheaters should be kicked from a “prestigious” alliance…

The problem with that theory is it opens an entire precedent of auditing every Account in these cases.

KillSwitch · June 2023

GroundedWisdom said:

KillSwitch said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Keonex said:

GroundedWisdom said:
Okay, this is going in all different directions.
First of all, the Leaderboard isn't always a reflection of whatever actions have been taken.
Secondly, they don't "allow" cheating based on spending. I wish that conspiracy would die.
Thirdly, you can't assume every Member is cheating if one or some are caught. There is certainly room for debate in relation to removing their Alliance Points if they're caught, but this idea that they cheated here and used it there etc...isn't something that can be addressed in any kind of specific manner. That's a game of Clue.
I understand that people are upset that a permanent ban isn't the first response, but let's wait for more information before we scream fire.
if the leaderboards was a true reflection then my alliance would have been higher, we ranked 4th.

so your wrong

it definitely hurts us legit players that play the game honestly when an alliance known to be cheaters places higher than yours.

what message is Kabam sending when the number 1 ranked alliance is known cheaters
I mean the actions on individual Accounts.
Do you know that the entire Alliance is cheating, or just one or some individuals?
If I knew my kid was stealing money from someone and putting it into the family pot would I be in the clear? Or should I have done something to make sure that doesn’t continue? I cannot kick my kid out of our family, but those known cheaters should be kicked from a “prestigious” alliance…
The problem with that theory is it opens an entire precedent of auditing every Account in these cases.

Bottom line. These players shouldn’t be allowed back into these alliances by the group or by Kabam. There has to be some form of punishment that deters cheating, not provide a cushioned landing and motivation to repeat said practices. Don’t try to make this more than it should be at a very baseline level.

GroundedWisdom · June 2023

KillSwitch said:

GroundedWisdom said:

KillSwitch said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Keonex said:

GroundedWisdom said:
Okay, this is going in all different directions.
First of all, the Leaderboard isn't always a reflection of whatever actions have been taken.
Secondly, they don't "allow" cheating based on spending. I wish that conspiracy would die.
Thirdly, you can't assume every Member is cheating if one or some are caught. There is certainly room for debate in relation to removing their Alliance Points if they're caught, but this idea that they cheated here and used it there etc...isn't something that can be addressed in any kind of specific manner. That's a game of Clue.
I understand that people are upset that a permanent ban isn't the first response, but let's wait for more information before we scream fire.
if the leaderboards was a true reflection then my alliance would have been higher, we ranked 4th.

so your wrong

it definitely hurts us legit players that play the game honestly when an alliance known to be cheaters places higher than yours.

what message is Kabam sending when the number 1 ranked alliance is known cheaters
I mean the actions on individual Accounts.
Do you know that the entire Alliance is cheating, or just one or some individuals?
If I knew my kid was stealing money from someone and putting it into the family pot would I be in the clear? Or should I have done something to make sure that doesn’t continue? I cannot kick my kid out of our family, but those known cheaters should be kicked from a “prestigious” alliance…
The problem with that theory is it opens an entire precedent of auditing every Account in these cases.
Bottom line. These players shouldn’t be allowed back into these alliances by the group or by Kabam. There has to be some form of punishment that deters cheating, not provide a cushioned landing and motivation to repeat said practices. Don’t try to make this more than it should be at a very baseline level.

How do you control that? That's an in-house issue.

BigManOnCampus · June 2023

Keonex said:
yeah how do 2 known cheater alliance get rank 1 and rank 2 is ridiculous

so yeah i guess everyone should be cheating then

That's what made me stop spending all together .....

startropics · June 2023

GroundedWisdom said:

Keonex said:

GroundedWisdom said:
Okay, this is going in all different directions.
First of all, the Leaderboard isn't always a reflection of whatever actions have been taken.
Secondly, they don't "allow" cheating based on spending. I wish that conspiracy would die.
Thirdly, you can't assume every Member is cheating if one or some are caught. There is certainly room for debate in relation to removing their Alliance Points if they're caught, but this idea that they cheated here and used it there etc...isn't something that can be addressed in any kind of specific manner. That's a game of Clue.
I understand that people are upset that a permanent ban isn't the first response, but let's wait for more information before we scream fire.
if the leaderboards was a true reflection then my alliance would have been higher, we ranked 4th.

so your wrong

it definitely hurts us legit players that play the game honestly when an alliance known to be cheaters places higher than yours.

what message is Kabam sending when the number 1 ranked alliance is known cheaters
I mean the actions on individual Accounts.
Do you know that the entire Alliance is cheating, or just one or some individuals?

How are you still treating this like it's a conspiracy theory? They just banned 300 players for doing what everyone already knew for years, botting every champ in the game. Many of these teams lost a third to two thirds of their players. Their entire teams are dirty including anyone who still plays in them and the temp bans were a joke.

KillSwitch · June 2023

GroundedWisdom said:

KillSwitch said:

GroundedWisdom said:

KillSwitch said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Keonex said:

GroundedWisdom said:
Okay, this is going in all different directions.
First of all, the Leaderboard isn't always a reflection of whatever actions have been taken.
Secondly, they don't "allow" cheating based on spending. I wish that conspiracy would die.
Thirdly, you can't assume every Member is cheating if one or some are caught. There is certainly room for debate in relation to removing their Alliance Points if they're caught, but this idea that they cheated here and used it there etc...isn't something that can be addressed in any kind of specific manner. That's a game of Clue.
I understand that people are upset that a permanent ban isn't the first response, but let's wait for more information before we scream fire.
if the leaderboards was a true reflection then my alliance would have been higher, we ranked 4th.

so your wrong

it definitely hurts us legit players that play the game honestly when an alliance known to be cheaters places higher than yours.

what message is Kabam sending when the number 1 ranked alliance is known cheaters
I mean the actions on individual Accounts.
Do you know that the entire Alliance is cheating, or just one or some individuals?
If I knew my kid was stealing money from someone and putting it into the family pot would I be in the clear? Or should I have done something to make sure that doesn’t continue? I cannot kick my kid out of our family, but those known cheaters should be kicked from a “prestigious” alliance…
The problem with that theory is it opens an entire precedent of auditing every Account in these cases.
Bottom line. These players shouldn’t be allowed back into these alliances by the group or by Kabam. There has to be some form of punishment that deters cheating, not provide a cushioned landing and motivation to repeat said practices. Don’t try to make this more than it should be at a very baseline level.
How do you control that? That's an in-house issue.

It’s called observation and effort

GroundedWisdom · June 2023

startropics said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Keonex said:

GroundedWisdom said:
Okay, this is going in all different directions.
First of all, the Leaderboard isn't always a reflection of whatever actions have been taken.
Secondly, they don't "allow" cheating based on spending. I wish that conspiracy would die.
Thirdly, you can't assume every Member is cheating if one or some are caught. There is certainly room for debate in relation to removing their Alliance Points if they're caught, but this idea that they cheated here and used it there etc...isn't something that can be addressed in any kind of specific manner. That's a game of Clue.
I understand that people are upset that a permanent ban isn't the first response, but let's wait for more information before we scream fire.
if the leaderboards was a true reflection then my alliance would have been higher, we ranked 4th.

so your wrong

it definitely hurts us legit players that play the game honestly when an alliance known to be cheaters places higher than yours.

what message is Kabam sending when the number 1 ranked alliance is known cheaters
I mean the actions on individual Accounts.
Do you know that the entire Alliance is cheating, or just one or some individuals?
How are you still treating this like it's a conspiracy theory? They just banned 300 players for doing what everyone already knew for years, botting every champ in the game. Many of these teams lost a third to two thirds of their players. Their entire teams are dirty including anyone who still plays in them and the temp bans were a joke.

They banned people for botting in the Arena they were caught in. That's my point.
I never said it was a conspiracy theory. For the record, I could care less if they were wiped from the game. I'm not pro-cheater.
What I'm pointing out is that actions have to fit within the criteria of what's appropriate for the situation you're looking at, and action that is derived from "A + B + C = D" is not the same. One is workable, one isn't.

Atomic_atomic1 · June 2023

All I know is BgBar put up 19.1 million points legitimetely with earned units from arena, playing with energy, and some members spending money. Compare that to TCN members who did not have their unit stash removed from kabam when they have been using arena bots for years. Idk what the highest score was from the legitimate alliances but TCN had a very high score and arena bot units were certainly used.

doctorb · June 2023

I think the entire alliance needs to suffer for it.
Maybe several weeks ban and forfeiture of all prizes.
In addition, maybe start taking away their heroes or resources or even ranking down heroes just to show your serious about cracking down on cheaters.

pseudosane · June 2023

Wish the bans for arena spanned all modes in the game, because the effect of the cheating certainly did.

startropics · June 2023

GroundedWisdom said:

startropics said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Keonex said:

GroundedWisdom said:
Okay, this is going in all different directions.
First of all, the Leaderboard isn't always a reflection of whatever actions have been taken.
Secondly, they don't "allow" cheating based on spending. I wish that conspiracy would die.
Thirdly, you can't assume every Member is cheating if one or some are caught. There is certainly room for debate in relation to removing their Alliance Points if they're caught, but this idea that they cheated here and used it there etc...isn't something that can be addressed in any kind of specific manner. That's a game of Clue.
I understand that people are upset that a permanent ban isn't the first response, but let's wait for more information before we scream fire.
if the leaderboards was a true reflection then my alliance would have been higher, we ranked 4th.

so your wrong

it definitely hurts us legit players that play the game honestly when an alliance known to be cheaters places higher than yours.

what message is Kabam sending when the number 1 ranked alliance is known cheaters
I mean the actions on individual Accounts.
Do you know that the entire Alliance is cheating, or just one or some individuals?
How are you still treating this like it's a conspiracy theory? They just banned 300 players for doing what everyone already knew for years, botting every champ in the game. Many of these teams lost a third to two thirds of their players. Their entire teams are dirty including anyone who still plays in them and the temp bans were a joke.
They banned people for botting in the Arena they were caught in. That's my point.
I never said it was a conspiracy theory. For the record, I could care less if they were wiped from the game. I'm not pro-cheater.
What I'm pointing out is that actions have to fit within the criteria of what's appropriate for the situation you're looking at, and action that is derived from "A + B + C = D" is not the same. One is workable, one isn't.

You can't have amnesia while working out a punishment because they would have been banned on the previous 50 arenas too.

If you're a business and you find out a well-organized crew has been secretly lifting your products for years, would you let them back? Or would you treat it like a one-time occurrence made by a naive kid? Kabam did the latter.

I'm good with second chances but if you copy-paste what everyone else has to work hard for, what's the point of playing then?

GroundedWisdom · June 2023

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startropics said:

GroundedWisdom said:

startropics said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Keonex said:

GroundedWisdom said:
Okay, this is going in all different directions.
First of all, the Leaderboard isn't always a reflection of whatever actions have been taken.
Secondly, they don't "allow" cheating based on spending. I wish that conspiracy would die.
Thirdly, you can't assume every Member is cheating if one or some are caught. There is certainly room for debate in relation to removing their Alliance Points if they're caught, but this idea that they cheated here and used it there etc...isn't something that can be addressed in any kind of specific manner. That's a game of Clue.
I understand that people are upset that a permanent ban isn't the first response, but let's wait for more information before we scream fire.
if the leaderboards was a true reflection then my alliance would have been higher, we ranked 4th.

so your wrong

it definitely hurts us legit players that play the game honestly when an alliance known to be cheaters places higher than yours.

what message is Kabam sending when the number 1 ranked alliance is known cheaters
I mean the actions on individual Accounts.
Do you know that the entire Alliance is cheating, or just one or some individuals?
How are you still treating this like it's a conspiracy theory? They just banned 300 players for doing what everyone already knew for years, botting every champ in the game. Many of these teams lost a third to two thirds of their players. Their entire teams are dirty including anyone who still plays in them and the temp bans were a joke.
They banned people for botting in the Arena they were caught in. That's my point.
I never said it was a conspiracy theory. For the record, I could care less if they were wiped from the game. I'm not pro-cheater.
What I'm pointing out is that actions have to fit within the criteria of what's appropriate for the situation you're looking at, and action that is derived from "A + B + C = D" is not the same. One is workable, one isn't.
You can't have amnesia while working out a punishment because they would have been banned on the previous 50 arenas too.

If you're a business and you find out a well-organized crew has been secretly lifting your products for years, would you let them back? Or would you treat it like a one-time occurrence made by a naive kid? Kabam did the latter.

I'm good with second chances but if you copy-paste what everyone else has to work hard for, what's the point of playing then?

You're going on the whole "for years" narrative, and maybe you're right. Maybe Kabam even has some awareness of it. You still have to put a stake in the road and start somewhere, and there's a process to it. The good news is if they're foolish enough to do it again, it's only a matter of time. What becomes increasingly difficult to do is say "You cheated here. We assume you cheated everywhere else. We're going to bypass the warning process and ban you completely, then wipe any progress you've made anywhere.".
It's difficult for a number of reasons. First of all, that takes data to back up, and that takes time to gather. The further back you go, the longer it takes. Now, they may have even started some kind of retroactive process of investigating. That has happened in the past. I do not know. However, it's not always as easy as just waving the ban hammer.
Also, there's an entire process to unraveling everything they did with whatever spoils they got and undoing it. That would take a large amount of time.
Also, there's a process for a reason. It's not a permanent immediate ban for a reason. You either have faith in the system or you don't. Just like people either have faith in the legal system or they don't. For the most part, I do.

HungaryHippo · June 2023

Since I can't directly respond to some users, I would suggest that they look up "fruit of the poisonous tree" and apply their previous fervor (against mercs/pilots) to outright botters as well.

World Eater · June 2023

New month and the same ol nonsense. Not sure why people have any confidence in Kabam.

Kabam has made it crystal clear

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