Okay, this is going in all different directions. First of all, the Leaderboard isn't always a reflection of whatever actions have been taken. Secondly, they don't "allow" cheating based on spending. I wish that conspiracy would die. Thirdly, you can't assume every Member is cheating if one or some are caught. There is certainly room for debate in relation to removing their Alliance Points if they're caught, but this idea that they cheated here and used it there etc...isn't something that can be addressed in any kind of specific manner. That's a game of Clue. I understand that people are upset that a permanent ban isn't the first response, but let's wait for more information before we scream fire.
While this is true, I think the fact that the points from the banned players still counting towards the alliance points is a total joke, and I hate to say it, but yes, a slap in the face to everyone else. Entire alliances get docked from 1 cheater in AW (if they're caught). Why is bgs different?
Is it possible that the banned players points were removed, sure. If that's the case I find it VERY hard to believe that they still finished #1 overall.
Either way, I thinkt AT LEAST 10 members of TCN cheat.... and EVERYONE knows it. The fact they still got the best rewards sends a message to the player base that you will not "truly" be punished for playing WITH cheaters even if you aren't yourself. That is wrong.
Okay, this is going in all different directions. First of all, the Leaderboard isn't always a reflection of whatever actions have been taken. Secondly, they don't "allow" cheating based on spending. I wish that conspiracy would die. Thirdly, you can't assume every Member is cheating if one or some are caught. There is certainly room for debate in relation to removing their Alliance Points if they're caught, but this idea that they cheated here and used it there etc...isn't something that can be addressed in any kind of specific manner. That's a game of Clue. I understand that people are upset that a permanent ban isn't the first response, but let's wait for more information before we scream fire.
While this is true, I think the fact that the points from the banned players still counting towards the alliance points is a total joke, and I hate to say it, but yes, a slap in the face to everyone else. Entire alliances get docked from 1 cheater in AW (if they're caught). Why is bgs different?
Is it possible that the banned players points were removed, sure. If that's the case I find it VERY hard to believe that they still finished #1 overall.
Either way, I thinkt AT LEAST 10 members of TCN cheat.... and EVERYONE knows it. The fact they still got the best rewards sends a message to the player base that you will not "truly" be punished for playing WITH cheaters even if you aren't yourself. That is wrong.
Actually 16 people in that alliance were CAUGHT cheating and banned.
Interestingly JA had 9 but their infractions were probably more egregious as they were immediately able to temporarily replace all 9 banned accounts with comparable replacement accounts for alliance war and suffered absolutely no penalty in that game mode. That shows extreme premeditation in their cheating.
Yep. Kabam will say they can't discuss penalties etc... which I do understand, but they do OWE us an explanation on why these alliances as a whole were not punished and had their rewards affected in any way.
The argument "not every alliance member was cheating" is completely irrelevant, if you are in a high top alliance where 80% of your teammates are thieves, and you know it, I m 100% sure you do, you also are at fault for covering them and benefitting of the rewards you get thanks to them, again, thieves. You deserve a perma ban as well.
The argument "not every alliance member was cheating" is completely irrelevant, if you are in a high top alliance where 80% of your teammates are thieves, and you know it, I m 100% sure you do, you also are at fault for covering them and benefitting of the rewards you get thanks to them, again, thieves. You deserve a perma ban as well.
Tough but true. The entire community knew for years.
Compare that to TCN members who did not have their unit stash removed from kabam when they have been using arena bots for years.
I agree: anyone caught botting the arena should have all arena rewards revoked, including gold and BC. Unfortunately, that hasn't been the policy for arena bans. Yet. However, I will say that I have explicitly advocated for precisely that, directly to the developers, after this latest round of bans.
Kabam has been slow, very very slow, to come around to escalating punishment for player violations. However, they have been improving in this area. Not as fast as I would like, not as fast as I think most players believe they should, but they have been moving in the right direction if not with the right velocity. The best we can do is continue to advocate for stronger protections for the majority of us who play fair, and hope that the noose tightens around those who don't faster in the future.
Unfortunately, and this is my own personal interpretation of how Kabam handles this sort of thing, while most of the people involved would prefer stronger protections and harsher penalties, acting upon player accounts in that way is analogous to a human resources problem in a corporation. You'd love to penalize coworkers that misbehave, underperform, act to the detriment of the rest of the company, and you'd think your supervisor or your department head or your division VP could simply act, but while they have authority over much of how the company is run, actions against employees have to go through HR, and HR has its own rules, some of which are imposed upon them by laws and regulations, and some of which are just whatever they feel like, and they have ultimate unappealable authority over discipline and termination of employees.
Basically, taking things away from players is not just a developer decision. It takes Word of God to happen, and God is essentially an HR committee.
Compare that to TCN members who did not have their unit stash removed from kabam when they have been using arena bots for years.
I agree: anyone caught botting the arena should have all arena rewards revoked, including gold and BC. Unfortunately, that hasn't been the policy for arena bans. Yet. However, I will say that I have explicitly advocated for precisely that, directly to the developers, after this latest round of bans.
Kabam has been slow, very very slow, to come around to escalating punishment for player violations. However, they have been improving in this area. Not as fast as I would like, not as fast as I think most players believe they should, but they have been moving in the right direction if not with the right velocity. The best we can do is continue to advocate for stronger protections for the majority of us who play fair, and hope that the noose tightens around those who don't faster in the future.
Unfortunately, and this is my own personal interpretation of how Kabam handles this sort of thing, while most of the people involved would prefer stronger protections and harsher penalties, acting upon player accounts in that way is analogous to a human resources problem in a corporation. You'd love to penalize coworkers that misbehave, underperform, act to the detriment of the rest of the company, and you'd think your supervisor or your department head or your division VP could simply act, but while they have authority over much of how the company is run, actions against employees have to go through HR, and HR has its own rules, some of which are imposed upon them by laws and regulations, and some of which are just whatever they feel like, and they have ultimate unappealable authority over discipline and termination of employees.
Basically, taking things away from players is not just a developer decision. It takes Word of God to happen, and God is essentially an HR committee.
I genuinely hate to see anyone lose their accounts, but they comparatively embezzled $10 million from company treasury and HR gave them the same slap on the wrist they do for tardy employees, which was basically nothing.
Compare that to TCN members who did not have their unit stash removed from kabam when they have been using arena bots for years.
I agree: anyone caught botting the arena should have all arena rewards revoked, including gold and BC. Unfortunately, that hasn't been the policy for arena bans. Yet. However, I will say that I have explicitly advocated for precisely that, directly to the developers, after this latest round of bans.
Kabam has been slow, very very slow, to come around to escalating punishment for player violations. However, they have been improving in this area. Not as fast as I would like, not as fast as I think most players believe they should, but they have been moving in the right direction if not with the right velocity. The best we can do is continue to advocate for stronger protections for the majority of us who play fair, and hope that the noose tightens around those who don't faster in the future.
Unfortunately, and this is my own personal interpretation of how Kabam handles this sort of thing, while most of the people involved would prefer stronger protections and harsher penalties, acting upon player accounts in that way is analogous to a human resources problem in a corporation. You'd love to penalize coworkers that misbehave, underperform, act to the detriment of the rest of the company, and you'd think your supervisor or your department head or your division VP could simply act, but while they have authority over much of how the company is run, actions against employees have to go through HR, and HR has its own rules, some of which are imposed upon them by laws and regulations, and some of which are just whatever they feel like, and they have ultimate unappealable authority over discipline and termination of employees.
Basically, taking things away from players is not just a developer decision. It takes Word of God to happen, and God is essentially an HR committee.
But nothing should need to be taken away, literally all the forum members, or mostly all, know that those ranked allys 1/2 had numerous, if not all, members cheating.
It should of been crystal clear to just knock them off the leaderboard and void the alliance score, and that at least shows kabam is doing the right thing. For everyone to be grafting, using items and units to get a decent score, just to see at the end, when the scores matter, it’s fine to have cheaters take the best rewards with no issue.
And I’ve not said anything wrong in my comment here, I’m just saying what everyone else is thinking, I didn’t even create the post, but I should be entitled to say it’s wrong, which it is.
yeah how do 2 known cheater alliance get rank 1 and rank 2 is ridiculous
so yeah i guess everyone should be cheating then
Not surprised with the result. This doesn’t even account for GC and AW season placement rewards which no doubt in my mind the confiscated champs contributed too not being taken away nor is it clear if the banned cheaters got their accidentally issued welcome back packages taken away. Definitely a a backwards step in regards to anti cheating this week
It’s cute folks think this was anything more than show. In fact, some of the botters were probably asking their dev buds at Kascam if they could get a free week off from AQ/AW/BG and still keep all their top ranked rewards.
Kabam gladly obliged and gave them a gentle boot.
Folks need to think of these accounts more as customer entertainers. Bars use chicks as promoters, casinos use shills to keep action going on the tables, kabam uses bots and botted Accts to keep scores propped up across all game mode so the patsy’s keep spending to try and keep up.
Oh and if you spend money on this app and you wonder who the patsy is, I can tell you it’s not the top ranked ally’s that don’t actually use their €$€$ on in app purchases.
It’s cute folks think this was anything more than show. In fact, some of the botters were probably asking their dev buds at Kascam if they could get a free week off from AQ/AW/BG and still keep all their top ranked rewards.
Kabam gladly obliged and gave them a gentle boot.
Folks need to think of these accounts more as customer entertainers. Bars use chicks as promoters, casinos use shills to keep action going on the tables, kabam uses bots and botted Accts to keep scores propped up across all game mode so the patsy’s keep spending to try and keep up.
Oh and if you spend money on this app and you wonder who the patsy is, I can tell you it’s not the top ranked ally’s that don’t actually use their €$€$ on in app purchases.
You got that tin foil wrapped a little to tight, might wanna losen it up a bit to let some oxygen in...
It's a really sad joke that Kabam "ban" people, to give them later resources to recover Lost week of playing lol
While unintentional it does seem like that is the end result based on what we’ve been told. As it seems like it’s true the inactive player compensation did not account for bans and we’ve not heard that this will be reversed.
Okay, this is going in all different directions. First of all, the Leaderboard isn't always a reflection of whatever actions have been taken. Secondly, they don't "allow" cheating based on spending. I wish that conspiracy would die. Thirdly, you can't assume every Member is cheating if one or some are caught. There is certainly room for debate in relation to removing their Alliance Points if they're caught, but this idea that they cheated here and used it there etc...isn't something that can be addressed in any kind of specific manner. That's a game of Clue. I understand that people are upset that a permanent ban isn't the first response, but let's wait for more information before we scream fire.
It's a really sad joke that Kabam "ban" people, to give them later resources to recover Lost week of playing lol
While unintentional it does seem like that is the end result based on what we’ve been told. As it seems like it’s true the inactive player compensation did not account for bans and we’ve not heard that this will be reversed.
Getting a little gift is not the problem. Those cheaters stealing 100s of thousands of units, every single new champ, #1 aq rewards every week because of stealing every new champ, masters aw rewards because of unlimited units and best rosters, and top bg rewards since the first season is a bigger issue in my humble opinion.
Alliances suffer in AW bcoz of a few cheaters.....sometimes even just 1 cheater leads to alliance docks even when other 29 members didn't know about it
There is no reason to not make these cheating alliances not suffer in BGs or not receiving harsher action than just 7 day bans More than half of their alliance cheats constantly without the alliance taking any action about it They all are complicit in the cheating as they not only keep those members in the alliance but have also enjoyed the benefit of their cheating in all kinds of alliance events over the years The entire community knows these guys have been cheating for a very long time
We need to call a spade a spade All of us know the reason of not witnessing a stricter action against these people.....all of us, including the ones who are trying to deny it
It's a really sad joke that Kabam "ban" people, to give them later resources to recover Lost week of playing lol
While unintentional it does seem like that is the end result based on what we’ve been told. As it seems like it’s true the inactive player compensation did not account for bans and we’ve not heard that this will be reversed.
Getting a little gift is not the problem. Those cheaters stealing 100s of thousands of units, every single new champ, #1 aq rewards every week because of stealing every new champ, masters aw rewards because of unlimited units and best rosters, and top bg rewards since the first season is a bigger issue in my humble opinion.
I agree, but unfortunately where the line was drawn by Kabam on these infractions was the Moondragon and Adam Warlock arenas, so I’m more or less reforming my statements around that line.
But if we consider that as where the line was drawn there was impact to AW season 42 and BG season 8, so to me all those points earned up to that point in relation to both seasons should have been forfeit and/or docked into the Stone tier. Especially solo event and alliance event participation points earned by spending elders marks that could be purchased with the botted (aka stolen) units. As rewards have been issued though and in fairness to Kabam they did state that they felt it was a severe and precedent setting move to delete those champs regardless of investment from the cheaters, likely feeling that the matter was settled. So unfortunately I think we are past the point where the actions I’d like to see happen are likely in relation to the stripping/docking of season rewards, which is a shame.
It was a more realistic expectation to see that oversight of letting those same cheaters getting a care package be addressed, but at this point it doesn’t feel like that will be either.
In both cases, unfortunately the cheaters seem to have prospered, so we can only hope that this feed back is weighed into stronger actions for the next group of cheaters (likely to be in those same alliances if history repeats itself like it typically does)
It's a really sad joke that Kabam "ban" people, to give them later resources to recover Lost week of playing lol
While unintentional it does seem like that is the end result based on what we’ve been told. As it seems like it’s true the inactive player compensation did not account for bans and we’ve not heard that this will be reversed.
I'm not talking about welcome back pack, 20 TCN players were banned and they got first place on Battlegrounds, that sucks.
Okay, this is going in all different directions. First of all, the Leaderboard isn't always a reflection of whatever actions have been taken. Secondly, they don't "allow" cheating based on spending. I wish that conspiracy would die. Thirdly, you can't assume every Member is cheating if one or some are caught. There is certainly room for debate in relation to removing their Alliance Points if they're caught, but this idea that they cheated here and used it there etc...isn't something that can be addressed in any kind of specific manner. That's a game of Clue.
I understand that people are upset that a permanent ban isn't the first response, but let's wait for more information before we scream fire.
Firstly i don't use forums much so forgive me if i didn’t do this right. Just wanted to know @GroundedWisdom pov here. They half of TCN was boting arena. That's a fact. Lets Just assume for only during this Bg season they were boting. Some great players who didn’t cheat in Bg were ranked top 8 this season but they were arena boting aka breaking Tos. When they were breaking the Tos they were playing for ranking at a competitive mode while scoring points for their ally & themselves. Why didn’t kabam take points off them for cheating in the game during competing in a competitive mode which well no cheaters also spend vast amount of time. Isn't it unfair & unethical? What was your line of thinking when you said "there is room of debate if they were caught then to remove it" They were caught that's why they were banned. Yet the ally point counter whilst they were cheating and im just assuming it for just one season. Not even going years back. Also nothing malicious Against you i hope you take it in the right way. just asking it coming on as if you are defending it for the sake of it.
Okay, this is going in all different directions. First of all, the Leaderboard isn't always a reflection of whatever actions have been taken. Secondly, they don't "allow" cheating based on spending. I wish that conspiracy would die. Thirdly, you can't assume every Member is cheating if one or some are caught. There is certainly room for debate in relation to removing their Alliance Points if they're caught, but this idea that they cheated here and used it there etc...isn't something that can be addressed in any kind of specific manner. That's a game of Clue.
I understand that people are upset that a permanent ban isn't the first response, but let's wait for more information before we scream fire.
Firstly i don't use forums much so forgive me if i didn’t do this right. Just wanted to know @GroundedWisdom pov here. They half of TCN was boting arena. That's a fact. Lets Just assume for only during this Bg season they were boting. Some great players who didn’t cheat in Bg were ranked top 8 this season but they were arena boting aka breaking Tos. When they were breaking the Tos they were playing for ranking at a competitive mode while scoring points for their ally & themselves. Why didn’t kabam take points off them for cheating in the game during competing in a competitive mode which well no cheaters also spend vast amount of time. Isn't it unfair & unethical? What was your line of thinking when you said "there is room of debate if they were caught then to remove it" They were caught that's why they were banned. Yet the ally point counter whilst they were cheating and im just assuming it for just one season. Not even going years back. Also nothing malicious Against you i hope you take it in the right way. just asking it coming on as if you are defending it for the sake of it.
The answer to why there isn't harsher measure was answered by DNA3000
Compare that to TCN members who did not have their unit stash removed from kabam when they have been using arena bots for years.
I agree: anyone caught botting the arena should have all arena rewards revoked, including gold and BC. Unfortunately, that hasn't been the policy for arena bans. Yet. However, I will say that I have explicitly advocated for precisely that, directly to the developers, after this latest round of bans.
Kabam has been slow, very very slow, to come around to escalating punishment for player violations. However, they have been improving in this area. Not as fast as I would like, not as fast as I think most players believe they should, but they have been moving in the right direction if not with the right velocity. The best we can do is continue to advocate for stronger protections for the majority of us who play fair, and hope that the noose tightens around those who don't faster in the future.
Unfortunately, and this is my own personal interpretation of how Kabam handles this sort of thing, while most of the people involved would prefer stronger protections and harsher penalties, acting upon player accounts in that way is analogous to a human resources problem in a corporation. You'd love to penalize coworkers that misbehave, underperform, act to the detriment of the rest of the company, and you'd think your supervisor or your department head or your division VP could simply act, but while they have authority over much of how the company is run, actions against employees have to go through HR, and HR has its own rules, some of which are imposed upon them by laws and regulations, and some of which are just whatever they feel like, and they have ultimate unappealable authority over discipline and termination of employees.
Basically, taking things away from players is not just a developer decision. It takes Word of God to happen, and God is essentially an HR committee.
I saw what dna said mate. I just asked @GroundedWisdom 😅 kinda seemed taking their side on this. Again texts can be misleading & misinterpreted easily.
Also the argument @DNA3000 made sounds like it is what it is what can we do. A very well written defeated explanation. We shouldn’t expect anything better that is the tone. Yelling at forum won't work or saying anything to the devs as Dna mentioned. I hope & urge at this point we should expect standards to be higher then it is currently. Ongoing process will take time i understand that too but we hear more from devs. Results also matter even if its a small progress to the right direction.
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Is it possible that the banned players points were removed, sure. If that's the case I find it VERY hard to believe that they still finished #1 overall.
Either way, I thinkt AT LEAST 10 members of TCN cheat.... and EVERYONE knows it. The fact they still got the best rewards sends a message to the player base that you will not "truly" be punished for playing WITH cheaters even if you aren't yourself. That is wrong.
Interestingly JA had 9 but their infractions were probably more egregious as they were immediately able to temporarily replace all 9 banned accounts with comparable replacement accounts for alliance war and suffered absolutely no penalty in that game mode. That shows extreme premeditation in their cheating.
Kabam has been slow, very very slow, to come around to escalating punishment for player violations. However, they have been improving in this area. Not as fast as I would like, not as fast as I think most players believe they should, but they have been moving in the right direction if not with the right velocity. The best we can do is continue to advocate for stronger protections for the majority of us who play fair, and hope that the noose tightens around those who don't faster in the future.
Unfortunately, and this is my own personal interpretation of how Kabam handles this sort of thing, while most of the people involved would prefer stronger protections and harsher penalties, acting upon player accounts in that way is analogous to a human resources problem in a corporation. You'd love to penalize coworkers that misbehave, underperform, act to the detriment of the rest of the company, and you'd think your supervisor or your department head or your division VP could simply act, but while they have authority over much of how the company is run, actions against employees have to go through HR, and HR has its own rules, some of which are imposed upon them by laws and regulations, and some of which are just whatever they feel like, and they have ultimate unappealable authority over discipline and termination of employees.
Basically, taking things away from players is not just a developer decision. It takes Word of God to happen, and God is essentially an HR committee.
It should of been crystal clear to just knock them off the leaderboard and void the alliance score, and that at least shows kabam is doing the right thing. For everyone to be grafting, using items and units to get a decent score, just to see at the end, when the scores matter, it’s fine to have cheaters take the best rewards with no issue.
And I’ve not said anything wrong in my comment here, I’m just saying what everyone else is thinking, I didn’t even create the post, but I should be entitled to say it’s wrong, which it is.
non botting teams
as for aforementioned alli,
There is no reason to not make these cheating alliances not suffer in BGs or not receiving harsher action than just 7 day bans
More than half of their alliance cheats constantly without the alliance taking any action about it
They all are complicit in the cheating as they not only keep those members in the alliance but have also enjoyed the benefit of their cheating in all kinds of alliance events over the years
The entire community knows these guys have been cheating for a very long time
We need to call a spade a spade
All of us know the reason of not witnessing a stricter action against these people.....all of us, including the ones who are trying to deny it
But if we consider that as where the line was drawn there was impact to AW season 42 and BG season 8, so to me all those points earned up to that point in relation to both seasons should have been forfeit and/or docked into the Stone tier. Especially solo event and alliance event participation points earned by spending elders marks that could be purchased with the botted (aka stolen) units. As rewards have been issued though and in fairness to Kabam they did state that they felt it was a severe and precedent setting move to delete those champs regardless of investment from the cheaters, likely feeling that the matter was settled. So unfortunately I think we are past the point where the actions I’d like to see happen are likely in relation to the stripping/docking of season rewards, which is a shame.
It was a more realistic expectation to see that oversight of letting those same cheaters getting a care package be addressed, but at this point it doesn’t feel like that will be either.
In both cases, unfortunately the cheaters seem to have prospered, so we can only hope that this feed back is weighed into stronger actions for the next group of cheaters (likely to be in those same alliances if history repeats itself like it typically does)