Let's look at a real-life example. If you were pulled over by a cop for any traffic infraction for first time in your DL history, would you like to be given a warning or would you prefer the cop to be unforgiving and permanently seize your DL and give you a straight up huge ticket / pull you into court? You have your answer there.
I think a better real life example would be someone who is caught shoplifting. Would it be reasonable for the store they stole from to permanently ban them from stepping foot onto their premises again?
Yes it would. Otherwise we have the scenario of shoplifter being caught. Getting banned for 24 hours. Getting caught again, being banned for a week. Then if they wait longer than 6 months (before being caught) then they can shoplift again and just get another 24 hour ban… oh and all their shoplifting friends can do the same. Shoplift in perpetuity, just make sure there’s 6 gap between second and 3 offence.
Why should the store that’s being robbed entertain implementing a ‘’merciful’ banning system that lessens dissatisfaction on the part of the shoplifter (players?). Don’t rob from the store in first place!
Anyone who plays a game long enough has to learn to adjust. I agree that times were much different 6-7 years ago but the writing was on the wall. Kabam has taken a hard stance on this and I applaud them for it. Those OG's that went on the straight and narrow, well done.
It's sad to see that some of the top tier allies have gotten there undeservingly. It's been a known problem and it's finally being addressed. Where would those players be if they didn't do the things that got them banned in the first place?
Crazy thing is that with the amount of money they spend, they could have brute forced the content themselves instead of using 3rd part apps and mercs. Maybe they'd appreciate their progress and rosters a bit more if that happened.
MCOC will be just fine without them. As I have said before in some threads, people who think a few whales carries this game isn't thinking big enough. A few players dropping thousands of dollars on this game pales in comparison to the number of microtransactions that occur on a dilly basis.
Using a Merc or being a Merc is not harmless. Offering services for a product that does not belong to someone is illegal. They have never pursued legal action to the best of my knowledge, but they could certainly sue if they wanted to. It's not the same as someone spending to get ahead. When someone breaks the rules, they violate the ToS. It's entirely up to Kabam to decide how, when, and if they want to act on it. This is not a cut-and-dry situation. Some instances they allow temporary bans. Other instances, in particularly egregious circumstances, it's a permanent ban immediately. That's their call to make. I'm sorry, but we don't get to break the rules and choose the consequences. Here or in life. I have no idea if you're talking about your Account or not, but there is no justification for cheating. Not the length of time they've been here, not spending, not their astrological sign, nothing is a pass. If they break the rules, they bring it on themselves.
When I read the words "ban" and Unreasonable" in the same sentence, I just scroll to the bottom and hit disagree. So much time (writing OG post) wasted...
This guy really said "ban them once for 24 hours, then for a week, then permanent, but wait if they spend 6 months without getting banned then this is reset back to zero". I laughed so hard, how could anyone ever type this and expect to be taken seriously lol I see a lot of people angry at the guy, I think it's absolutely hilarious.
This guy really said "ban them once for 24 hours, then for a week, then permanent, but wait if they spend 6 months without getting banned then this is reset back to zero". I laughed so hard, how could anyone ever type this and expect to be taken seriously lol I see a lot of people angry at the guy, I think it's absolutely hilarious.
Because why not cheat every 6 months if you only get a 24hour ban, then it will handily reset. Pure fair logic from OG lmao
Anyone interested in learning more about me? I used to be a War Champion / War Elite [NY718] - Known as Noob King back in the day, and I spent a lot of money on the game. Nonetheless, I left the alliance and moved to another alliance for relax play. I was banned in the 2020 March ban wave. I got permanently banned for account sharing as AW piloting (I had no previous bans). I attempted to contact Kabam after the ban, even one year later in 2021, to request an unban, but their response is the same template stating that bans are final. I myself made very awful judgments in real life out of frustration, and I even severely destroyed my university grades, which still effect me today as for career. It took me months to recover from my melancholy and difficulty, and I now see a couple of my friends in the same boat.
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Op is pretty much the textbook image of unrealistic and undeserved entitlement.
Not sure how op thought he was going to gain any sympathy from the community on this one but based on how he abandoned this post it's pretty clear that he heavily misread the room.
If being banned from a mobile video game that you were cheating at has a significant impact on someone’s mental health I urge them to spend the money they put towards this game on mental health services. Mental health is no joke and if something this trivial in the grand scheme of life was such a big part of your life then I hope you can find the help you need.
Anyone interested in learning more about me? I used to be a War Champion / War Elite [NY718] - Known as Noob King back in the day, and I spent a lot of money on the game. Nonetheless, I left the alliance and moved to another alliance for relax play. I was banned in the 2020 March ban wave. I got permanently banned for account sharing as AW piloting (I had no previous bans). I attempted to contact Kabam after the ban, even one year later in 2021, to request an unban, but their response is the same template stating that bans are final. I myself made very awful judgments in real life out of frustration, and I even severely destroyed my university grades, which still effect me today as for career. It took me months to recover from my melancholy and difficulty, and I now see a couple of my friends in the same boat.
Hi. I was known as Imagine Dragon. I'm [removed] years old and my favorite champs are [removed].
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I'm so happy [removed] is becoming a recurring meme. I wish that the spin off threads myself and a few others created that day were still up with [removed] in the titles lmaoo
I noticed couple who replied haven't read the table clearly. I do not justify Kabam bans. I do not support cheaters either. Permanent ban for constant/multiple violation is acceptable. My sole opinion is "Permanent ban" for first time violation is just too much.
In general, players aren't banned permanently for first time offenses. They are sometimes banned permanently for repeated offenses when the previous offenses did not draw a ban and they are sometimes banned permanently for first time offenses that are especially eggregious.
The most common reason why a player might get permanently banned apparently out of nowhere is when they do something that is detected as a bannable offense, and then when the fair play team researches the account they discover the account has actually been flagrantly violating terms of service for an extended period of time or in multiple independent occasions. For example, because Kabam's detection process evolves over time, it is possible for a player to cheat in a way that Kabam did not originally detect, but when they are detected cheating much later the more sophisticated techniques and tools discover they have been cheating for a while, and that can be taken into account when they are banned.
In other cases, Kabam may discover that a particular kind of cheating has been ramping up and becoming commonplace, and they will in those cases sometimes send out specific warnings about such activity being prohibited, using in-game messages, forum posts, and in other venues. Flagrant disregard for such warnings with continued exploitation of those techniques can, in some cases, trigger an immediate and permanent ban.
Nobody gets perma-banned for making one small mistake. You either have to cheat a lot of little times, cheat with flagrant disregard, or cheat epicly. And if you do, it doesn't matter if you've been here for years. It doesn't matter if you've spent a lot of money. It doesn't matter if you feel bad about it later. It doesn't matter if getting banned with hurt your feelings. If the game means enough to you that you can't afford to risk losing access to it, its on you to not take those risks.
I can sympathize to some degree with players who are perma banned and react negatively to being disconnected from something that they valued. However, that's life. If you can't deal with being banned from a game as legitimate punishment for cheating in that game then you lack the life skills necessary to deal with the rest of regular life. You're someone willing to risk the things that have the most value to you because you think the world owes you a safety blanket. This is the least important thing that attitude is going to lose you. There are jobs to lose, homes to lose, spouses to lose, retirement savings to lose.
You say "I feel it is past time for Kabam to recognize the consequences of such irrevocable actions on its players' lives and begin to rectify." No. It is time for players to recognize the consequences of their actions on their own lives and rectify that by not taking risks they can't afford to lose.
And this bears repeating. Cheating doesn't cheat Kabam. Cheating cheats other players. You know how much money the Kabam developers lose out of their pockets when someone cheats? None. You know how much money Kabam the company loses when someone cheats? None. Cheaters do not take money out of the devs pockets or Kabam's coffers. Cheaters take things from the game that they didn't earn, and as a result force the developers to make the game's resources harder to get for everyone else. Cheaters take things from other players. Cheaters are the kid in class who cheats on the final exam and raises the curve so that the kid who would have gotten an A now gets a B+. The school is out nothing. The teacher is out nothing. Everyone else just gets a lower grade.
Cheaters don't care about the other players. And that's why most of the other players don't care about cheaters either.
At the end of the day, Kabam doesn't ban cheaters because the cheaters injured them and they are taking revenge. Kabam bans cheaters because the cheaters injure the other players, and Kabam has to protect everyone else from cheaters or those players might decide the game isn't worth playing. So yeah, some of those cheaters might have "stuck around with the game" for a long time, but Kabam has to pick a side: side with the minority of cheaters who are hurting everyone else, or side with the majority who don't cheat and just want to play the game free of the consequences of cheaters. When Kabam bans, they are picking a side. They are siding with us, and not with you.
If the game means enough to you that you can't afford to risk losing access to it, its on you to not take those risks.
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It is time for players to recognize the consequences of their actions on their own lives and rectify that by not taking risks they can't afford to lose.
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Cheaters don't care about the other players. And that's why most of the other players don't care about cheaters either.
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When Kabam bans, they are picking a side. They are siding with us, and not with you.
I have ZERO sympathy for cheaters. You knew the rules but Kabam is more lenient than I would be. That’s coming from someone who has cheated in other games. I got what I deserved then too. You know when you cheat you are taking that chance so don’t beg for forgiveness now. 😭
You want to cheat? Get banned. Don't complain. In my opinion every single TOS should get a permanent ban first offense. Modders, sellers, mercs, piloters, account sharers, etc. All of it should get permanent ban.
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Yes it would. Otherwise we have the scenario of shoplifter being caught. Getting banned for 24 hours. Getting caught again, being banned for a week. Then if they wait longer than 6 months (before being caught) then they can shoplift again and just get another 24 hour ban… oh and all their shoplifting friends can do the same. Shoplift in perpetuity, just make sure there’s 6 gap between second and 3 offence.
Why should the store that’s being robbed entertain implementing a ‘’merciful’ banning system that lessens dissatisfaction on the part of the shoplifter (players?). Don’t rob from the store in first place!
It's sad to see that some of the top tier allies have gotten there undeservingly. It's been a known problem and it's finally being addressed. Where would those players be if they didn't do the things that got them banned in the first place?
Crazy thing is that with the amount of money they spend, they could have brute forced the content themselves instead of using 3rd part apps and mercs. Maybe they'd appreciate their progress and rosters a bit more if that happened.
MCOC will be just fine without them. As I have said before in some threads, people who think a few whales carries this game isn't thinking big enough. A few players dropping thousands of dollars on this game pales in comparison to the number of microtransactions that occur on a dilly basis.
Using a Merc or being a Merc is not harmless. Offering services for a product that does not belong to someone is illegal. They have never pursued legal action to the best of my knowledge, but they could certainly sue if they wanted to. It's not the same as someone spending to get ahead.
When someone breaks the rules, they violate the ToS. It's entirely up to Kabam to decide how, when, and if they want to act on it. This is not a cut-and-dry situation. Some instances they allow temporary bans. Other instances, in particularly egregious circumstances, it's a permanent ban immediately. That's their call to make. I'm sorry, but we don't get to break the rules and choose the consequences. Here or in life.
I have no idea if you're talking about your Account or not, but there is no justification for cheating. Not the length of time they've been here, not spending, not their astrological sign, nothing is a pass. If they break the rules, they bring it on themselves.
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Not sure how op thought he was going to gain any sympathy from the community on this one but based on how he abandoned this post it's pretty clear that he heavily misread the room.
The most common reason why a player might get permanently banned apparently out of nowhere is when they do something that is detected as a bannable offense, and then when the fair play team researches the account they discover the account has actually been flagrantly violating terms of service for an extended period of time or in multiple independent occasions. For example, because Kabam's detection process evolves over time, it is possible for a player to cheat in a way that Kabam did not originally detect, but when they are detected cheating much later the more sophisticated techniques and tools discover they have been cheating for a while, and that can be taken into account when they are banned.
In other cases, Kabam may discover that a particular kind of cheating has been ramping up and becoming commonplace, and they will in those cases sometimes send out specific warnings about such activity being prohibited, using in-game messages, forum posts, and in other venues. Flagrant disregard for such warnings with continued exploitation of those techniques can, in some cases, trigger an immediate and permanent ban.
Nobody gets perma-banned for making one small mistake. You either have to cheat a lot of little times, cheat with flagrant disregard, or cheat epicly. And if you do, it doesn't matter if you've been here for years. It doesn't matter if you've spent a lot of money. It doesn't matter if you feel bad about it later. It doesn't matter if getting banned with hurt your feelings. If the game means enough to you that you can't afford to risk losing access to it, its on you to not take those risks.
I can sympathize to some degree with players who are perma banned and react negatively to being disconnected from something that they valued. However, that's life. If you can't deal with being banned from a game as legitimate punishment for cheating in that game then you lack the life skills necessary to deal with the rest of regular life. You're someone willing to risk the things that have the most value to you because you think the world owes you a safety blanket. This is the least important thing that attitude is going to lose you. There are jobs to lose, homes to lose, spouses to lose, retirement savings to lose.
You say "I feel it is past time for Kabam to recognize the consequences of such irrevocable actions on its players' lives and begin to rectify." No. It is time for players to recognize the consequences of their actions on their own lives and rectify that by not taking risks they can't afford to lose.
And this bears repeating. Cheating doesn't cheat Kabam. Cheating cheats other players. You know how much money the Kabam developers lose out of their pockets when someone cheats? None. You know how much money Kabam the company loses when someone cheats? None. Cheaters do not take money out of the devs pockets or Kabam's coffers. Cheaters take things from the game that they didn't earn, and as a result force the developers to make the game's resources harder to get for everyone else. Cheaters take things from other players. Cheaters are the kid in class who cheats on the final exam and raises the curve so that the kid who would have gotten an A now gets a B+. The school is out nothing. The teacher is out nothing. Everyone else just gets a lower grade.
Cheaters don't care about the other players. And that's why most of the other players don't care about cheaters either.
At the end of the day, Kabam doesn't ban cheaters because the cheaters injured them and they are taking revenge. Kabam bans cheaters because the cheaters injure the other players, and Kabam has to protect everyone else from cheaters or those players might decide the game isn't worth playing. So yeah, some of those cheaters might have "stuck around with the game" for a long time, but Kabam has to pick a side: side with the minority of cheaters who are hurting everyone else, or side with the majority who don't cheat and just want to play the game free of the consequences of cheaters. When Kabam bans, they are picking a side. They are siding with us, and not with you.