7* Incursions crystal overpriced?

Wolf911Wolf911 Member Posts: 613 ★★★
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400k for a 7* seems a bit high.

I think 300k should be a decent price not too high not too low

as we saw they gave 3 6* nexus in place of a 7* selector

4* basic is 6k

5* basic is 18k

6* basic is 54k

6* specific Incursion crystal is 81k

so if we consider this 7* crystal as a specific crystal then as per the trend it comes 243k

so a bit higher than that considering the rarity 300k seems right price
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  • HeavyArmoredHeavyArmored Member Posts: 14 ★
    400k artifacts would take a long time to collect for an average player .Maybe like 3 months or at least 2 months . Tbh i have no big issues with the price if reduced then great ,if not i m sure there will be more ways to earn these artifacts i.e new objectives that rewards good chunk of em
  • BendyBendy Member Posts: 7,250 ★★★★★
    400k is good as kabam buffed how much u can get from the incursions game mode
  • Rudolph_RaindeerRudolph_Raindeer Member Posts: 324 ★★★
    edited September 2023
    Wolf911 said:

    400k for a 7* seems a bit high.

    I think 300k should be a decent price not too high not too low

    as we saw they gave 3 6* nexus in place of a 7* selector

    4* basic is 6k

    5* basic is 18k

    6* basic is 54k

    6* specific Incursion crystal is 81k

    so if we consider this 7* crystal as a specific crystal then as per the trend it comes 243k

    so a bit higher than that considering the rarity 300k seems right price

    Actually following this Price increase x 3, it should be 3 x 54.000= 162.000 artifacts for a 7s crystal
  • BigPoppaCBONEBigPoppaCBONE Member Posts: 2,418 ★★★★★
    Rudolph_Raindeer said:

    Wolf911 said:

    400k for a 7* seems a bit high.

    I think 300k should be a decent price not too high not too low

    as we saw they gave 3 6* nexus in place of a 7* selector

    4* basic is 6k

    5* basic is 18k

    6* basic is 54k

    6* specific Incursion crystal is 81k

    so if we consider this 7* crystal as a specific crystal then as per the trend it comes 243k

    so a bit higher than that considering the rarity 300k seems right price

    Actually following this Price increase x 3, it should be 3 x 54.000= 162.000 artifacts for a 7s crystal
    But watch what happens when you use 81K x5, 🤯

    Kabam hooking us up with a discount!
  • Vance2_jrVance2_jr Member Posts: 764 ★★★★
    The price is good. The champs are great. All is well.
  • Wolf911Wolf911 Member Posts: 613 ★★★
    Darkness275 said:

    Rudolph_Raindeer said:



    Actually following this Price increase x 3, it should be 3 x 54.000= 162.000 artifacts for a 7s crystal

    He skipped a step. It would be that price for the basic 7* (full pool) but OP included the pricing for the focused crystal.

    Basic Crystals
    3 Star: 2000
    4 Star: 6000
    5 Star: 18000
    6 Star: 54000
    7 Star: 162000 (following the trend of it being x3)

    Focused Crystal
    3 Star: 3000
    4 Star: 9000
    5 Star: 27000
    6 Star: 81000
    7 Star: 243000 (following the trend of a 50% increase from the base)

    One difference not being factored in is that the focused 6* Crystal has 10 champions. So each have a flat 10% chance of being pulled. The 7* focus crystal comes with 6 champions, meaning it's even more narrow of a field and each champion has a 16.67% chance of being pulled (rounded up).

    Now, does that completely explain the price jump from being a 50% increase to 146.91% increase? No. But, if 400k is too much for you, don't go for it.

    Assuming you get double the amount of shards from a crystal, let's say you bought 6* crystals instead. For 400k you could get 7 crystals (with 22k artifacts remaining, 40% of the way to another 6* crystal). That would net you 3850 7* shards. Clearly not a more cost efficient method.

    As I said in another thread about this, it's much easier (and healthier) for Kabam to introduce this crystal at an inflated price and then lower the cost than to try and raise it.

    I'm not saying they will lower it, I'm just saying if we think about this practically. Is it a steep price? Yeah. It's an artifact sink... that's the purpose. Is there anything else to buy? No. Not for most people who are actually considering these crystals. The price is fine, if they decide to lower it, great - otherwise, I literally have nothing else to spend my artifacts on. I solo incursions, don't use many pots or revives, get as far as I can and then leave. I also passively get artifacts and they said the acquisition of artifacts will be a lot smoother. So I'll wait and see how long it takes me to go from the 236k I have now to 400k and then judge.

    It's a new stream of getting 7* champions and it's drawing from a very narrow (and exclusive) pool, meaning a better chance at getting who you want, duping them, etc... Kabam also hasn't said if this pool will ever change, if these champions will ever rotate into the basic/titan, so for now this is the only way to get these characters. Exclusivity comes with a cost.
    Take my like and respect for explaining this with so much details.

    I think I'll take my sweet 2-3 months grinding for it ( I absolutely HATED incursions { before I got herc } I did the 25 zones this time thanks to him )

    If they plan to give good amount of artifacts with improved map and make it less of a continuous grind, I might consider doing few runs in the 3 sectors ( 7,8,9 without using any units ofcourse cuz units are better spent during banquet, cyber weekend and July 4th deals ) for the artifacts and for the gold ( taking one 6* champ from rank 1 to rank 3 takes up about 3 million gold )
  • MidnightfoxMidnightfox Member Posts: 1,363 ★★★★
    I think 300 k would be more reasonable.
  • Darkness275Darkness275 Member Posts: 851 ★★★★
    edited September 2023
    Returning to this since Incursions are back and I just completed zone 20 in a Sector 6 push (no more artifacts after zone 20).

    I went from just over 236k to just over 359k. That's 123k from zone 6 alone, no solo objectives.
    The 400k price is fine.

    Edit: I was possibly higher than 236k, I may have received some more artifacts from a crystal or rewards or something... but even then, I still got well over 100k from Zone 6 alone.
  • Darkness275Darkness275 Member Posts: 851 ★★★★
    edited September 2023
    I just double checked the rewards. Total from the 20 zone rewards for sector 6 is 92,987 artifacts. So I guess I received quite a number of artifacts from other sources, regardless, almost 93k from a single run of sector 6 alone.

    I stand by the final comment, 400k price is fine.
  • altavistaaltavista Member Posts: 1,505 ★★★★
    edited September 2023
    A cap of 500k and and a price of 400k for 7-stars probably reflects the rate that Kabam wants players to acquire 7-stars. We all saw what happened when BGs came out and 6-stars became bargain basement purchases. This quickly 'ruined' the 6-star economy, and (I personally theorize) sped up the arrival of 7-stars.

    The Incursion artifact cap was 250000 previously.
    Presuming players have saved up artifacts since the announcement was first made but before this crystal is live, 250k is how much any player has up till yesterday.

    It largely depends on the rate that players acquire artifacts (I personally only try and reach zones 10 each cycle while others gun for zone 25), but that probably means only a certain number of people will hit 400k this Incursion cycle, a bunch more will hit it the by the next cycle, and so on.

    A price of 400k is probably what Kabam wants for the speed of 7-star acquisition

  • phil56201phil56201 Member Posts: 986 ★★★
    edited September 2023
    When this game mode came into the game 5 years ago (they were called Dungeons), there were no 6* crystals available. In fact, 6* Incursions crystals haven't even been in the game a full year yet.

    Before last Oct, we could purchase 2K 6* shards for 32K artifacts. 5* incursions/Dungeons crystals were the highest available rarity for nearly 5 years.

    With 7*'s, Kabam has made them much more available from the onset, but at in increased price. I'm honestly surprised they are even available to purchase at all this soon after releasing them.
  • JefechutaJefechuta Member Posts: 1,218 ★★★★★
    Im going to put this simple.

    54k 6* Incursion crystal will give you either none, 275 or 550 7* shards,
    400k is worth 7,4 6* Incursion crystals, which would be either none, 2035 or 4070 7* shards.

    Instead of that you get the whole Crystal, not only that but with a very reduced pool so you can target way easier the champs you want.

    So dont be like this fams, 400k shards is fair enough if you compare the rarity of those crystals/champs/shards or whatever
  • RiderofHellRiderofHell Member Posts: 4,686 ★★★★★
    Ashacekar said:

    It looks fine with the taxes, inflation and market rate taken into account.

    Not so loud! I am trying to feed my kids and having 133 of them as 6* isn't cheap! 🤣
  • Crys23Crys23 Member Posts: 845 ★★★★
    The price, the cap, the limited pool, the extra artifacts we're getting from gifting this month, amount some might have had saved up, it's all irrelevant.
    What is relevant is that this 400k crystal has a limit of 1 purchase every 30days and all the artifacts we can get across sectors 4-6 in a month add up to around 172k artifacts. Thats less than half whats required.
    My question is: is that intended, for the long run? To only get a crystal like every 2 months? Or will we have additional incursion objectives to make up the difference every month?
    For all I care, the price can be 5million artifacts for a 7*, as long as we can earn that much in a month. Actually, we should be able to earn more than the cost of the crystal, otherwise the limit of 1 every 30 days doesn't make sense. Right now it's less than half.
  • Darkness275Darkness275 Member Posts: 851 ★★★★
    Crys23 said:

    The price, the cap, the limited pool, the extra artifacts we're getting from gifting this month, amount some might have had saved up, it's all irrelevant.
    What is relevant is that this 400k crystal has a limit of 1 purchase every 30days and all the artifacts we can get across sectors 4-6 in a month add up to around 172k artifacts. Thats less than half whats required.
    My question is: is that intended, for the long run? To only get a crystal like every 2 months? Or will we have additional incursion objectives to make up the difference every month?
    For all I care, the price can be 5million artifacts for a 7*, as long as we can earn that much in a month. Actually, we should be able to earn more than the cost of the crystal, otherwise the limit of 1 every 30 days doesn't make sense. Right now it's less than half.

    Sector 1: 20, 738
    Sector 2: 24, 886
    Sector 3: 29, 864
    Sector 4: 35, 835
    Sector 5: 43, 001
    Sector 6: 92, 987

    Total of sectors 4, 5, 6: 171, 823
    Total across all sectors: 247, 311

    That's each month.
    If you do all sectors, you can get a 7* crystal in two months and have 94, 622 artifacts left over. You're 23.6% of the way to your next crystal (rounded down). If you only do sectors 4 - 6, in three months you'd get a 7* crystal and have 115, 469 artifacts remaining - you're 28.8% of the way to your next crystal.

    That isn't including additional artifacts we gain from quests or tasks.
    It isn't including artifacts we may gain from crystals or events.

    The 400k cost honestly isn't that high at all.
    They never said they wanted us to get 1 every month.

    Keep in mind, this is an additional way to gain an exclusive 7*. This doesn't decrease the 7* shards we are also building - it's also an extra way to gain titan shards, so our method of gaining those are now increased (everyone was saying F2P would only open a single titan crystal every year...)
  • Wolf911Wolf911 Member Posts: 613 ★★★
    Crys23 said:

    The price, the cap, the limited pool, the extra artifacts we're getting from gifting this month, amount some might have had saved up, it's all irrelevant.
    What is relevant is that this 400k crystal has a limit of 1 purchase every 30days and all the artifacts we can get across sectors 4-6 in a month add up to around 172k artifacts. Thats less than half whats required.
    My question is: is that intended, for the long run? To only get a crystal like every 2 months? Or will we have additional incursion objectives to make up the difference every month?
    For all I care, the price can be 5million artifacts for a 7*, as long as we can earn that much in a month. Actually, we should be able to earn more than the cost of the crystal, otherwise the limit of 1 every 30 days doesn't make sense. Right now it's less than half.

    This is what my concern is.

    If I can earn 'price of crystal' amount of artifacts in 30 days then I don't have any problem with the price.

    Apart from 170k from sectors 4 to 6 we also get 5k every week from the objectives meaning about 190k+ every month.

    If they give twice the amount from the sectors or reduce the price to 300k it would be great.
  • Wolf911Wolf911 Member Posts: 613 ★★★
    edited September 2023
    Darkness275 said:

    Crys23 said:

    The price, the cap, the limited pool, the extra artifacts we're getting from gifting this month, amount some might have had saved up, it's all irrelevant.
    What is relevant is that this 400k crystal has a limit of 1 purchase every 30days and all the artifacts we can get across sectors 4-6 in a month add up to around 172k artifacts. Thats less than half whats required.
    My question is: is that intended, for the long run? To only get a crystal like every 2 months? Or will we have additional incursion objectives to make up the difference every month?
    For all I care, the price can be 5million artifacts for a 7*, as long as we can earn that much in a month. Actually, we should be able to earn more than the cost of the crystal, otherwise the limit of 1 every 30 days doesn't make sense. Right now it's less than half.

    Sector 1: 20, 738
    Sector 2: 24, 886
    Sector 3: 29, 864
    Sector 4: 35, 835
    Sector 5: 43, 001
    Sector 6: 92, 987

    Total of sectors 4, 5, 6: 171, 823
    Total across all sectors: 247, 311

    That's each month.
    If you do all sectors, you can get a 7* crystal in two months and have 94, 622 artifacts left over. You're 23.6% of the way to your next crystal (rounded down). If you only do sectors 4 - 6, in three months you'd get a 7* crystal and have 115, 469 artifacts remaining - you're 28.8% of the way to your next crystal.

    That isn't including additional artifacts we gain from quests or tasks.
    It isn't including artifacts we may gain from crystals or events.

    The 400k cost honestly isn't that high at all.
    They never said they wanted us to get 1 every month.

    Keep in mind, this is an additional way to gain an exclusive 7*. This doesn't decrease the 7* shards we are also building - it's also an extra way to gain titan shards, so our method of gaining those are now increased (everyone was saying F2P would only open a single titan crystal every year...)
    well we can only do 3 sectors which give us artifacts so about 170k is max we can get every month from doing runs and its not easy to do, it takes a lot of your time to complete zones for required amount of artifacts
  • Darkness275Darkness275 Member Posts: 851 ★★★★
    Wolf911 said:

    Darkness275 said:

    Crys23 said:

    The price, the cap, the limited pool, the extra artifacts we're getting from gifting this month, amount some might have had saved up, it's all irrelevant.
    What is relevant is that this 400k crystal has a limit of 1 purchase every 30days and all the artifacts we can get across sectors 4-6 in a month add up to around 172k artifacts. Thats less than half whats required.
    My question is: is that intended, for the long run? To only get a crystal like every 2 months? Or will we have additional incursion objectives to make up the difference every month?
    For all I care, the price can be 5million artifacts for a 7*, as long as we can earn that much in a month. Actually, we should be able to earn more than the cost of the crystal, otherwise the limit of 1 every 30 days doesn't make sense. Right now it's less than half.

    Sector 1: 20, 738
    Sector 2: 24, 886
    Sector 3: 29, 864
    Sector 4: 35, 835
    Sector 5: 43, 001
    Sector 6: 92, 987

    Total of sectors 4, 5, 6: 171, 823
    Total across all sectors: 247, 311

    That's each month.
    If you do all sectors, you can get a 7* crystal in two months and have 94, 622 artifacts left over. You're 23.6% of the way to your next crystal (rounded down). If you only do sectors 4 - 6, in three months you'd get a 7* crystal and have 115, 469 artifacts remaining - you're 28.8% of the way to your next crystal.

    That isn't including additional artifacts we gain from quests or tasks.
    It isn't including artifacts we may gain from crystals or events.

    The 400k cost honestly isn't that high at all.
    They never said they wanted us to get 1 every month.

    Keep in mind, this is an additional way to gain an exclusive 7*. This doesn't decrease the 7* shards we are also building - it's also an extra way to gain titan shards, so our method of gaining those are now increased (everyone was saying F2P would only open a single titan crystal every year...)
    you are forgetting we can only do 3 sectors which grant artifacts
    That's fair. Even still, that's a crystal every three months and you're almost a third of the way to your next. You're getting two crystals every five months. From the zones alone, again, not including any additional sources of artifacts we get.

    As I stated earlier, it's beneficial that Kabam set the price high - it's easier for them to adjust. Just from a business perspective, they set the price high and see if it needs adjustment. It's easier for them to lower the cost than raise it. I'm not saying they will lower it, just thinking about it practically.
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