**Mastery Loadouts**
Due to issues related to the release of Mastery Loadouts, the "free swap" period will be extended.
The new end date will be May 1st.
Due to issues related to the release of Mastery Loadouts, the "free swap" period will be extended.
The new end date will be May 1st.
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However I do agree that they should’ve removed incentive instead. Players are always gonna look for a way to exploit the system, and the way to combat that is for the exploit to not be worth doing in the first place.
They won't get lesser rewards, they will just farm wins for a couple of weeks and then push to GC in the last 10 days. It just ruins the game experience for people who are playing legitimately.
If the matchmaking in lower tiers only allowed "similar strength" matches (ambiguous term but let's say the meaning is that you match accounts within +/- 10% of your own rating) then we should see people of all levels in plat 2. But this is not what I see happening, if you can show me an account that reached plat 2 and is not even uncollected please let me know, I will gladly admit my mistake.
What I see is plenty of people that I would describe as "the strongest in the weak bracket" complaining about the unfair matchmaking once the free-for-all kicks in. And this is what causes the shock - such players suddenly make the transition from being the strongest in their bracket to the weakest of the remaining.
The problem is that Kabam has designed this frankenstein contraption where, halfway through the High School/Professional season, they decide to join the schedule so High Schoolers are playing Professionals, and every is vying for the same Championship.
Either everything should have been combined to begin with if they're competing for the same Championship, or everything should remain separate as they compete for HS Champion and Pro Champions.
The core design is essentially why players keep having polar opposite opinions on BGs - it is just a weird mishmash design.
I stand by the rest of what I said though. If they're going to make rewards available whether I win or lose, then I'm probably not going to care if I win and put in less effort. I just need to complete it, get my solo rewards and move on. Sorry, not sorry.
So I don't really care if something I do that earns me rewards affects others. I'm not throwing 2*'s in my pool of Champs. But if I'm not in the mood to really put in an effort and have a milestone to hit, I'm doing a match and probably losing so it goes quicker.
And I only bother to post during the rare times I pop on to look something up. Usually leads to me perusing the first couple pages of posts to see if there's anything interesting. And these 1st world game problems are usually interesting.
1) if bg is supposed to be competitive, what do they want users to do? Do they want to encourage competitive play? Or force it?
2) if aw is supposed to be competitive, what do they want users to do? Do they want to encourage competitive play? Or force it?
—- Force competitive play —-
As far as I can see, they are forcing competitive play in bgs, by limiting the choice of players who don’t want a rough time . In other words, the players that have decided that for bgs, they don’t want the rewards from gc or placement , but simply from the solo rewards.
In a similar fashion, they have not done this with war, which I presume is also a competitive part of the game. If they wanted to force players to play war properly, they’d insist everyone boost to the max, heal to full, and use their best heroes. But this is not the case.
People have said that those who are camping these tiers are hurting other players or abusing the system? This simply isn’t the case. They are simply choosing how to play that part of the game. Low lvl accounts with people who are pushing hard will continue to remain stuck in p2, p1, diamond as they should be, mixed in with casual paragon players who don’t care enough to push gc. This is pretty much a direct comparison to alliance war and this exact discussion could be applied to alliance war, where alliance are in retirement and play just for easy rewards. Are they also abusing the system by choosing a more relaxed approach to alliance war?
I think people are failing to acknowledge that not all paragon players want to push hard, not all low lvl accounts are taking it easy. The mixed area is where we see the varying amounts of hardcore casual players mix based on those 2 factors - account size and activity . The start point is plat 2 of course because that’s where the mix is first allowed, but this can be observed across plat 1 and diamond levels too.
Paragon hardcore - glad circuit
Paragon casual + tb hardcore - diamond and plat
Tb casual and below - gold silver etc or p2
Personally. I have no issues at all with points farming. I’m tb, I push , and I’m happily sat in diamond along with other tb, and casual paragon players. As I see it, these casual paragon players don’t really have a negative effect at all - they are simply part of the system, and i see it as their decision to chill here. If they want to chill with me in diamond that’s fine, sometimes they’ll quit and I get some free points, sometimes they’ll play and win. So really it kind of balances out anyways. Does it have any impact on me? Not really. The only difference I can see with this change is that i would be getting stuck maybe 1 or 2 tiers higher , just closer to gc. So essentially. No.
The border will happen regardless, and wherever it is, there will sit casual paragon, and tb hardcore. They will still match up with tb hardcore in whatever tier they make and still get some easy wins, and then they match up with other causal paragons and maybe win or lose. So the border will sit slightly higher maybe? That’s all.
—- Elders win - energy lose? Unfair, or simply smart play? —
However, saying all this, my second point is the only real difference I can see that kabam don’t like - the use of energy to lose and elders to win. Now, here I can see why kabam doesn’t like it. But again, I just don’t see it as a problem. Paragon casuals are simply deciding to maximise solo rewards and have worked out the most efficient way to use their resources. If paragon casuals are now forced to not forfeit, they’ll simply just play with elders, run out of elders, they’ll just use energy and do the same but slower. They’ll still get matched up with easy fights sometimes as they will still be in the same bracket with hardcore tb. The only thing it will do is take casual paragon players longer to get the same score.
— real world comparison? —-
Now my final point is to compare it to real world scenarios.
The scenarios I can think that fits well is this:
A pro football team playing in a competition. They are in a league and are already qualified for the next section of the competition (ie they are exactly where they want to be).
As a result, in the next few matches, they decide to play their youth team, to rest their main team players. They know who they are playing next. The youth players aren’t great, so they lose. But the governing body do not intervene because it’s up to the manager how he wants the team to progress etc. and it’s his choice to conserve the main teams energy (resources) for the finals.
Runners in qualifying races may not come 1st. They’ll conserve energy (resources) and do enough to qualify, then they’ll turn it up for the final. Would Officials complain that they only came 4th and lost to someone who wasn’t as good as them? Would they insist that runner perform to their max for every race? Playing an event to suit yourself based on the rules of the event isn’t cheating. It’s playing smart. Just because a race has a 1st ,2nd 3rd, doesn’t necessarily mean the fast person always wants to come 1st or needs to. Depends on the race event etc.
—. Final thoughts —-
The main player resource in mcoc is time. And all that players have done is work out the best way to maximise time vs rewards. For those with limited time, this is an important strategy.
—- a simple way to truly encourage winning play? —-
If kabam really wanted to encourage winning play, they should simply switch rewards off solo progress, onto gc progress and vt. its really that simple. Ditch the point system. Ditch the difference for elders and energy. As a tb, this works for me, as I’m already pushing as far as I can go, I’ll still meet up with casual paragons and get stuck. Casual paragons won’t feel the need to farm points, but will also still be stuck in the same bracket as me, losing to other paragons, winning to tb (no real change apart from no need to points farm).
Finally, for those people who are using the “this is so unfair to tb and smaller accounts because paragons are farming on them” argument, perhaps let the tb and smaller account have their say first before jumping to their rescue. You may be arguing a point that isn’t there. In my opinion as a tb, you are misinformed. As a tb, I really don’t mind casual paragons in my bracket choosing to win or lose. They will always be in my bracket, whatever happens, unless kabam change the matchup algorithm. So as a tb, I see no issues with paragons using their time as best they can. But I am just one tb among many, let’s see what others have to say.
I think it is just statement to console the low tier player. Recently I got to know this kind of techniques is there to farm the bg points. I never thought about.
And I don't see any problem if someone deliberately losing matches to farm the points. It their own choice for their banefit.
For eg, there were so much of fights in end game where opponent is regening crazy. So people tried this approach to do the damge and quit the figth. This is also not a sportsmanship play.
See if some high tier account is wining over the low tier account then at same time also they are losing against the low tier account. Giving free wins then low tier don't have any problem becoz they are wining. But if someone is wining then low tier account have problem.
I know using this technique so much is not good. But sometime everyone finds a easy way to do it. Becoz not everyone has whole day to play BG. And 300k points is not that easy to achieve. You have to win 50+ bg matchups. So some people used this technique.
In other hand some low tier player has faced issues with it. I can understand that. But calling this is bannable offense is not good. It is my account I lose I win it is totally up to me.
As someone above me also said, I think they should just do away with elders marks. They serve no purpose in the game other than to reward those who spend units on them with an advantage in points.
Still, either solution would be better than what we have now. I don’t agree with making this bannable but maybe it wil make things better as a result.
That's what happens. I lived through it, and was unable to earn all the points in the solo event because of it. The only way I could've earned them was to make sure I didn't get pushed into a higher tier. But I didn't know that until it was too late and I was in the Diamond tier and unable to win fights anymore.
What you're claiming happened simply did not happen. I had no trouble winning fights in the lower tiers. No one was blocking me from progressing. I wish they had blocked me from progressing, so I wouldn't have been sent into the nightmare tier full of unbeatable whales, who prevented me from earning all of the solo event rewards.
Also I don’t know if maybe I misspoke, but I did not claim that players were struggling in the low tiers of vt, but rather in the plat-diamond levels. My hope is that the removal of point farming will force the higher tier players up into gc and make diamond less competitive.
And yes, maybe what you and I were doing wasn’t farming, as we were just hoping for fair matchups, but that’s not the situation I was referring to. Like I said, it’s the players farming in parts of vt that are not shielded by matchmaking who are causing the issue. I want this to break that “impenetrable wall of whales,” so that we don’t have to slog for points in diamond.
I don’t have any data, so I don’t know how much this will help, but it at least feels like a step in the right direction.
And I also don't support the statement that kabam stating that it is bannable offence. there are so many people here who are not here competitive play they are just here to chill and farm some points and get the reward with easy way.
Once low tier account becomes high tier account and they don't have time to this competitive play then they will also think it through and probably prefer the easy and chill way to farm the points.
Also like AW there so many strong alliances they want to just chill so they keep them in low tier and earn the g1-g3 reward. Then why that is not an offensive play. AW is also competitive.
This just a game everyone has their own choices to make how they want to play that's it. Becoz here nobody is doing any hacking or any kind of unfair matchmaking. Becoz matchmaking is done by kabam They are just keep themselves in low tier to face easy opponent and make their bg points. I don't see how this in unfair.
At an individual level it is obviously the optimal move, in seasons where solo rewards dominate. But let's call it as it is.
You can disagree all you want, unfortunately for you this is a competitive game mode, as stated by Kabam, so no if you're just here to chill and farm points you're in the wrong place.
As someone who went from small account to big, no I still don't give a damn about farming lol I want to play real matches against real people who are just as competitive as me because that's what BGs is all about.
Because in AW, if you lose too many matches you will actually drop ranks and eventually leagues, BGs doesn't punish you like that which means you can lose all you want and comfortably stay on that league bullying small accounts indefinitely because you're afraid of fighting people just as strong or stronger than you, and that my friend is why you don't rely on Unitman.
If you don't see how ruining BGs for smaller accounts while you get free points and have complete control over 90% of the fights is unfair then you need to go back to preschool or something so they can teach to not be selfish, you're not the only one playing this game buddy.
TBH i don't get it if some high teir account stays in platinum 1 full season then they are losing so much of reward which in the form of trophy token.
Btw I don't care I have developed skill i thrashed so many high tier account when I was TB or cavelier. With in 3-4 months i got 6 best champion to 6* R5 and 2 7* R2 and many 6* R4 by winning the matches in BG and joining a good alliance where we complete all milestone and get all reward from BG events. That's how I survived in this game.
I also faced high tier account and lost the matches but i never posted here that I am getting more stronger acount then me. I just kept trying improve my roaster and my skills. So I can handle those high tier account. In other hand I also get some fair match up where I can easily win.
Bcoz if you really want play this game then you can't really depend on the kabam only. Now days you can see some modders is roaming around the BG also they are capable to end fight in 1 sec with only 1 hit😂😂.
But as per kabam they already taken care of it couple of months ago. But modders are still in the game and ruining the BG game mode. So my friend pls leave this fair and unfair talk and start focus on your game play and your growth.
Corvus only 13 hits against 7* bishop
One hit fight
Now what do you say on this.