First season war Iceman banned, that's one of two hazard shift xmagica counters banned and the other takes too much damage from when she isn't in diamond form.
Kabam hears your concerns...... Now listening is a whole other story...
While I feel your comments and concerns are quite merited given this situation, I can’t help but feel like each of your posts is intentionally trying to poke the bear until it backfires on you lol.
Why not? They are doing bad job, it's responsibility of the community to point it out, if they don't reply to the feedbacks, we have to assume they didn't see.
You could argue I’m being unreasonable I guess. But at this point I’d take a forum ban if that meant we were actually acknowledged. I really don’t understand the stubbornness on their end. We aren’t complaining just to complain. Our complaints are valid.
Good chance for me to learn how to use White Tiger, just died for 20 times :-) now I know how to use her.
How is she? Just pulled the 6*, but I think I’m going to go all-in on Destroyer instead
she is probably the best counter for Gorr and Serpent with magik-x tag.
Even over Kushala?
No Kushala, she will be banned for the whole season and blacklist for another season
Oh, I don’t know what bracket you’re at. I’m currently only in a G4 trying to work my way up to higher tiers. They didn’t ban her in my war, just have a hard on for Bishop and BWCV getting the ban.
Good chance for me to learn how to use White Tiger, just died for 20 times :-) now I know how to use her.
How is she? Just pulled the 6*, but I think I’m going to go all-in on Destroyer instead
she is probably the best counter for Gorr and Serpent with magik-x tag.
Even over Kushala?
No Kushala, she will be banned for the whole season and blacklist for another season
Not sure about that. I’m in Masters as well and they Banned: Sunspot, Void, and Bishop. It’s gonna be a coin toss it looks like
Probably overstating a little bit, we are in master too and we ban Bishop and Kushala, the other one is iceman but we might change .
Yeah I think the bans will change. I think Bishop and void could be perma bans We will see. Hopefully we don't and Kabam sends out a "we are shutting war season down message"
Good chance for me to learn how to use White Tiger, just died for 20 times :-) now I know how to use her.
How is she? Just pulled the 6*, but I think I’m going to go all-in on Destroyer instead
she is probably the best counter for Gorr and Serpent with magik-x tag.
Even over Kushala?
No Kushala, she will be banned for the whole season and blacklist for another season
Not sure about that. I’m in Masters as well and they Banned: Sunspot, Void, and Bishop. It’s gonna be a coin toss it looks like
Probably overstating a little bit, we are in master too and we ban Bishop and Kushala, the other one is iceman but we might change .
Yeah I think the bans will change. I think Bishop and void could be perma bans We will see. Hopefully we don't and Kabam sends out a "we are shutting war season down message"
Just so I’m not mistaken, is the only reason Bishop keeps getting banned due to his Prowess proc ability?
Good chance for me to learn how to use White Tiger, just died for 20 times :-) now I know how to use her.
How is she? Just pulled the 6*, but I think I’m going to go all-in on Destroyer instead
she is probably the best counter for Gorr and Serpent with magik-x tag.
Even over Kushala?
No Kushala, she will be banned for the whole season and blacklist for another season
Not sure about that. I’m in Masters as well and they Banned: Sunspot, Void, and Bishop. It’s gonna be a coin toss it looks like
Probably overstating a little bit, we are in master too and we ban Bishop and Kushala, the other one is iceman but we might change .
Yeah I think the bans will change. I think Bishop and void could be perma bans We will see. Hopefully we don't and Kabam sends out a "we are shutting war season down message"
Just so I’m not mistaken, is the only reason Bishop keeps getting banned due to his Prowess proc ability?
No. Bishop gets banned because 1. He’s a 7 star and many have him r2 and r2. 2. If a defender purifies his stun they get a passive (like Storm X). 3. He has excellent damage and can work on HS nodes
Good chance for me to learn how to use White Tiger, just died for 20 times :-) now I know how to use her.
How is she? Just pulled the 6*, but I think I’m going to go all-in on Destroyer instead
she is probably the best counter for Gorr and Serpent with magik-x tag.
Even over Kushala?
No Kushala, she will be banned for the whole season and blacklist for another season
Not sure about that. I’m in Masters as well and they Banned: Sunspot, Void, and Bishop. It’s gonna be a coin toss it looks like
Probably overstating a little bit, we are in master too and we ban Bishop and Kushala, the other one is iceman but we might change .
Yeah I think the bans will change. I think Bishop and void could be perma bans We will see. Hopefully we don't and Kabam sends out a "we are shutting war season down message"
Just so I’m not mistaken, is the only reason Bishop keeps getting banned due to his Prowess proc ability?
No. Bishop gets banned because 1. He’s a 7 star and many have him r2 and r2. 2. If a defender purifies his stun they get a passive (like Storm X). 3. He has excellent damage and can work on HS nodes
Good chance for me to learn how to use White Tiger, just died for 20 times :-) now I know how to use her.
How is she? Just pulled the 6*, but I think I’m going to go all-in on Destroyer instead
she is probably the best counter for Gorr and Serpent with magik-x tag.
Even over Kushala?
No Kushala, she will be banned for the whole season and blacklist for another season
Not sure about that. I’m in Masters as well and they Banned: Sunspot, Void, and Bishop. It’s gonna be a coin toss it looks like
Probably overstating a little bit, we are in master too and we ban Bishop and Kushala, the other one is iceman but we might change .
Yeah I think the bans will change. I think Bishop and void could be perma bans We will see. Hopefully we don't and Kabam sends out a "we are shutting war season down message"
Wiccan can do Thing fight, if this is the reason you ban Void. Anyway, it doesn't matter because no way for us to push for every fight, we just do it for free rewards.
Good chance for me to learn how to use White Tiger, just died for 20 times :-) now I know how to use her.
How is she? Just pulled the 6*, but I think I’m going to go all-in on Destroyer instead
she is probably the best counter for Gorr and Serpent with magik-x tag.
Even over Kushala?
No Kushala, she will be banned for the whole season and blacklist for another season
Not sure about that. I’m in Masters as well and they Banned: Sunspot, Void, and Bishop. It’s gonna be a coin toss it looks like
Probably overstating a little bit, we are in master too and we ban Bishop and Kushala, the other one is iceman but we might change .
Yeah I think the bans will change. I think Bishop and void could be perma bans We will see. Hopefully we don't and Kabam sends out a "we are shutting war season down message"
Wiccan can do Thing fight, if this is the reason you ban Void. Anyway, it doesn't matter because no way for us to push for every fight, we just do it for free rewards.
So, I just left my alliance due to the Magic Thief defense tactic. I’ve been playing this game since launch and have played every defense tactic Kabam has created. AW was one of my favorite game modes, but this tactic is absurd. I refuse to participate in any game/game mode that is this frustrating. The easy thing to do would be to scrap the entire tactic for this season and go back to the options we had last season.
On a side note, I’m now looking for a non-AW alliance.
at the moment its a slug fest between us & our opponents .. mainly using the 40% revives & took bonuses on a few nodes .. but any node with regen stun reflect hazard (sorry Emma Frost doesn’t cut it) protection multiple KOs .. Bullseye ugh .. plus parry into defender block a lotta times u get hammered .. our alliance going since 2014 but i think may lose a few on this .. if the 40% revives then war will be put on hold .. lotta good stuff going on tho in other game modes .. we played for camaraderie in war but players are just very down at the moment
Why not? They are doing bad job, it's responsibility of the community to point it out, if they don't reply to the feedbacks, we have to assume they didn't see.
A placement was recently discovered in aw with cgr that straight up kills you if the ai doesn't go your way even with any of the tactic attackers. Tactic needs to be relooked into lol
A placement was recently discovered in aw with cgr that straight up kills you if the ai doesn't go your way even with any of the tactic attackers. Tactic needs to be relooked into lol
@Kabam Miike are you aware that Nick Fury, already a solid defender on any node, doesn't take damage after his Life Model Decoy is destroyed when he becomes indestructible. So basically you have to take him down twice. Genius AW tactics!
I fought fury in the stunning reflection node and an ebb and flow knock down node using sunspot. It wasn’t that bad. Kate on the other hand is more of a pain.
A placement was recently discovered in aw with cgr that straight up kills you if the ai doesn't go your way even with any of the tactic attackers. Tactic needs to be relooked into lol
A placement was recently discovered in aw with cgr that straight up kills you if the ai doesn't go your way even with any of the tactic attackers. Tactic needs to be relooked into lol
A placement was recently discovered in aw with cgr that straight up kills you if the ai doesn't go your way even with any of the tactic attackers. Tactic needs to be relooked into lol
Which placement, asking for a friend
I really don’t wanna see it everywhere because it’s the most obnoxious thing in existence. I saw one clip and went “omg I never thought that would happen” and the dude just melted
A placement was recently discovered in aw with cgr that straight up kills you if the ai doesn't go your way even with any of the tactic attackers. Tactic needs to be relooked into lol
Which placement, asking for a friend
I really don’t wanna see it everywhere because it’s the most obnoxious thing in existence. I saw one clip and went “omg I never thought that would happen” and the dude just melted
Fun fact - Kabam never fixed AW new map when alliances don’t place final boss the global tactic still applies. This off-season we had 1 round of practice and those guys placed like 5 tactic defenders per BG- YAY.
The changes Kabam took were minimal to address what my alliance and many others are experiencing. Don’t forget the fun fact that has been going on for way too long. The goal to increase difficulty - I support if reasonable snd AW can be challenging and fun.
Things we noticed our true practice round but trying to win with the changes is still unreal on some of the nodes and tactic defender combinations.
An interesting bug we’ve captured - L attacks in block not providing Prowess. I’ll add an example fight since many others were talked about in this thread already. Node 47 with Adam placed there has been common and even more crushing now with strategic bans. I watched a video if teammate who just could not get out of a loop to get enough Prowess to counter Indestructible, deal with Falter, and infamous AI broken record issues before dying. Another player goes in and the same thing snd both using tactic attackers. They also have to deal with Adam’s base kit - Unblockable - Power Gain were the highlights of his kit. Combined all of that and the tactics for both defense and attack - skills may not avoid the deaths.
7 stacks of Indestructible is too much. I could see 3/4. The holistic factors mentioned and oh yeah don’t forget - if the defenders are tactic - you have like a 50/50 luck and skill chance to Solo using non-tactic attackers. Corvus and Ghost stand out as proven non-tactic but on the right node and tactic defender combination.
This tactic has led to me saying - wow Crush second season was awesome. Crush season 1 was awesome compared to this new tactic. Its justified easily to hang up Top Tier AW despite the reward buff. I’ve played over 9 years and will support my alliance for the season. Likely wasting my time writing an reading forums to see if something comes out from Kabam. I’m anticipating suck it up buttercup - some trolling - but maybe its does somebody else some good. I’ve got some Masters seasons behind my belt so the will to walk away is easy from this game mode.
With the new map my alliance seen Baron Zemo, Bullseye, and Onslaught numerous times on each path. I guess diversity doesn't matter anymore lol. If we lose because these guys are placed at least 5 times a piece it would be ridiculous 🙄. So much for enjoying the game if you can't plan for paths at all.
With the new map my alliance seen Baron Zemo, Bullseye, and Onslaught numerous times on each path. I guess diversity doesn't matter anymore lol. If we lose because these guys are placed at least 5 times a piece it would be ridiculous 🙄. So much for enjoying the game if you can't plan for paths at all.
True, the alliance i'm facing rn has more than 20 repeated champions in plat 4, that's insane man '-' maybe kabam needs to change the points for diversity significantly, i saw the same situation last season although it wasn't a huge number as it is with this alliance but still...
Original poster here 👋🏽. All I can really say even after the nerf is shame on Kabam. This tactic is not challenging in a way that at all can be perceived as fun. The nerf helped but Kabam’s decision on tactic champs deserves many frowny faces. As an officer I’ve had to convince half my BG not to retire and I’ve gotten to a point where I want to retire myself. This “challenge” isn’t fun. It’s just making this entire game mode pointless. I can barely accept a participation trophy
We are casual, 2 BG, tier 5. We never play off season. Mainly paragons with a third valiant. Our opponents had a few more Xmagica defenders than us and we only had some by accident as no one in the alliance bothered to read up before the season started (we almost missed the start, as usual - we are that casual/not bothered).
But those few xmagica defenders on each side have run havoc.
The fact that this thread hasn’t been closed gives me hope, no matter who false it may be, that maybe they are listening.
Lack of communication is still pretty awful. But I feel like they’re just trying to see what they can get away with.
Again I understand wanting to make AW more difficult, but this isn’t the way to do it. Test your difficulty ramps with the whole player base. Communicate. Be transparent. I’d say most alliances think this is a poorly designed tactic. It’s not us just complaining.
Been playing eight long years, spent way more than I probably should have.
You're making me want to quit outright.
AQ? Boring, but passable and entertaining. BGs? Not a fan, but some people are. You actually made the meta too easy this round and it's just an endless nuke fest.
War?...
I loved war. I used to be great at war. I was a good planner, I loved strategizing to beat bosses (Kang vs. Apoc boss enjoyer here!)
Then, out of NOWHERE, you decided we weren't spending enough money, I guess. Or something. Regardless, you decided wars needed to be extremely hard.
And hard they are.
But they're not just hard, I'm watching tier 1 alliances (Hey! That's me!) with deaths in the 70s, 80s, and higher because of this tactic.
It's horrible.
Last season's was bad too, but *eventually* workable. Once we figured out how to dex while rooted. I even took pride in being an Onslaught Hulkling boss killer. The only real different was that the attack tactic was useless.
Your solution was the make the defense tactic even worse just to make the attack tactic turn the fight from 'impossible without tactic' to 'some fights are harder than an Eternity of Pain' boss.
You messed up. And as a longtime stalwart who's held on forever hoping things would get better, I'm just about out of rope. I don't think I can do this anymore.
And just think of how many people aren't vocal. There's tons more just like me, feeling the strain and wondering if it's worth it at ALL.
Lemme tell you...your vision is not your players' vision. It hasn't been for several months. Maybe it's time to reevaluate. Don't just fix the tactic-fix YOUR tactics.
You know, I know this is a double post, but a comparison just came to mind.
Dark Souls is considered one of the most difficult, yet most fun, video games of all time. It mixes difficulty with strategy in a way that is both challenging and extremely entertaining, not to mention exhilarating when you defeat the bosses.
This game is not only harder than Dark Souls right now, it costs you resources to try again and winning doesn't even necessarily give you a meaningful reward. Dark Souls players themselves would be baffled by fights that require a similar amount of planning, dancing, and weaving, and then note that even then, you might not have the RNG to even get the champion required or get the AI to behave the way you need it to.
This game has reached beyond Dark Souls levels of difficulty, but with none of the payoff.
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Anyway, it doesn't matter because no way for us to push for every fight, we just do it for free rewards.
On a side note, I’m now looking for a non-AW alliance.
The changes Kabam took were minimal to address what my alliance and many others are experiencing. Don’t forget the fun fact that has been going on for way too long. The goal to increase difficulty - I support if reasonable snd AW can be challenging and fun.
Things we noticed our true practice round but trying to win with the changes is still unreal on some of the nodes and tactic defender combinations.
An interesting bug we’ve captured - L attacks in block not providing Prowess. I’ll add an example fight since many others were talked about in this thread already. Node 47 with Adam placed there has been common and even more crushing now with strategic bans. I watched a video if teammate who just could not get out of a loop to get enough Prowess to counter Indestructible, deal with Falter, and infamous AI broken record issues before dying. Another player goes in and the same thing snd both using tactic attackers. They also have to deal with Adam’s base kit - Unblockable - Power Gain were the highlights of his kit. Combined all of that and the tactics for both defense and attack - skills may not avoid the deaths.
7 stacks of Indestructible is too much. I could see 3/4. The holistic factors mentioned and oh yeah don’t forget - if the defenders are tactic - you have like a 50/50 luck and skill chance to Solo using non-tactic attackers. Corvus and Ghost stand out as proven non-tactic but on the right node and tactic defender combination.
This tactic has led to me saying - wow Crush second season was awesome. Crush season 1 was awesome compared to this new tactic. Its justified easily to hang up Top Tier AW despite the reward buff. I’ve played over 9 years and will support my alliance for the season. Likely wasting my time writing an reading forums to see if something comes out from Kabam. I’m anticipating suck it up buttercup - some trolling - but maybe its does somebody else some good. I’ve got some Masters seasons behind my belt so the will to walk away is easy from this game mode.
But those few xmagica defenders on each side have run havoc.
Just tier 5. This is not fun.
Lack of communication is still pretty awful. But I feel like they’re just trying to see what they can get away with.
Again I understand wanting to make AW more difficult, but this isn’t the way to do it. Test your difficulty ramps with the whole player base. Communicate. Be transparent. I’d say most alliances think this is a poorly designed tactic. It’s not us just complaining.
Maybe just sit back and take all of that in.
Been playing eight long years, spent way more than I probably should have.
You're making me want to quit outright.
AQ? Boring, but passable and entertaining. BGs? Not a fan, but some people are. You actually made the meta too easy this round and it's just an endless nuke fest.
War?...
I loved war. I used to be great at war. I was a good planner, I loved strategizing to beat bosses (Kang vs. Apoc boss enjoyer here!)
Then, out of NOWHERE, you decided we weren't spending enough money, I guess. Or something. Regardless, you decided wars needed to be extremely hard.
And hard they are.
But they're not just hard, I'm watching tier 1 alliances (Hey! That's me!) with deaths in the 70s, 80s, and higher because of this tactic.
It's horrible.
Last season's was bad too, but *eventually* workable. Once we figured out how to dex while rooted. I even took pride in being an Onslaught Hulkling boss killer. The only real different was that the attack tactic was useless.
Your solution was the make the defense tactic even worse just to make the attack tactic turn the fight from 'impossible without tactic' to 'some fights are harder than an Eternity of Pain' boss.
You messed up. And as a longtime stalwart who's held on forever hoping things would get better, I'm just about out of rope. I don't think I can do this anymore.
And just think of how many people aren't vocal. There's tons more just like me, feeling the strain and wondering if it's worth it at ALL.
Lemme tell you...your vision is not your players' vision. It hasn't been for several months. Maybe it's time to reevaluate. Don't just fix the tactic-fix YOUR tactics.
Dark Souls is considered one of the most difficult, yet most fun, video games of all time. It mixes difficulty with strategy in a way that is both challenging and extremely entertaining, not to mention exhilarating when you defeat the bosses.
This game is not only harder than Dark Souls right now, it costs you resources to try again and winning doesn't even necessarily give you a meaningful reward. Dark Souls players themselves would be baffled by fights that require a similar amount of planning, dancing, and weaving, and then note that even then, you might not have the RNG to even get the champion required or get the AI to behave the way you need it to.
This game has reached beyond Dark Souls levels of difficulty, but with none of the payoff.