Reverse Controls Node - SOP for Example

J0eySn0wJ0eySn0w Member Posts: 980 ★★★★
Hello Kabam, there are people with cognitive conditions also playing this game. It doesn’t necessarily mean they’re disabled but their brains and minds are wired a certain way. Of course, people with established brain may struggle with reverse controls but there are players with real conditions trying to enjoy this game and compete as well.
At times I feel some of these developers motive and intent for designing certain contents and champions is not genuinely to challenge players and bring out the best in their skill but to frustrate them. It’s like after the design, they sit back and laugh at those going to deal with it.

With that said, a node of mechanic that messes with cognitive functions is generally difficult, and extremely painful for those with certain cognitive conditions. If they motive is right, and you want the community to improve, what do you do? Introduce such ideas, in this case ‘reverse controls nodes’ in modes of the game that players can practice, explore and improve. That’s not the case here. Where do we find ‘reverse control’? Grandmaster fights, Necropolis, later stages of Incursion, etc, one mistake and you’re dead situations. How can this be a considerate design especially for people I’ve described earlier.

During my high school days, there was this dude, we called him Croc, who can read a book just once and recite it to you. He was won’t miss a single word, not even “is”. He score 100% in all written test, and struggled with maths. Whenever he scored 90%, it was intentional. Turns out he had a cognitive condition, he died in college. I don’t know how he would have performed with a node like this, maybe excel or maybe not at all. But every time I see reverse controls for some reason he comes to mind.

My point is, it’s good we have reverse controls immune champs, it makes it bearable to challenge the node for many. However, if we could improve and adapt our cognitive function to handle this, we’d want to try but not in modes like SOP and etc. Train us and let us work for it.

Suggestion: In ROL legends, introduce a feature where we can play it as it is or apply nodes either to the entire quest or each champ. It’s even time we have sometime like that to determine how new champions perform with nodes.
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  • Emilia90Emilia90 Member Posts: 3,478 ★★★★★

    Emilia90 said:

    kus234 said:

    Very well described.. I wish Kabam listens . This is not a skill issue this is just pure BS...

    Nah it’s a skill issue. The only thing making this fight hard is the reverse controls which you can get used to with practice. Other than that it’s the easiest thing ever lmao. Bait specials and use your own
    The only thing messing me up rn is when she launches her specials while i'm switching controls. Like figuring out whether the sp1 gunshot ends up in the current control phase or the next. Sometimes it's really, really tight...
    Oh yeah that’s hard. I’ve been trying to avoid it and turtle up and she usually doesn’t throw it mid switch
  • Asher1_1Asher1_1 Member Posts: 737 ★★★
    Atleast Increase the duration - the ai throws mid transition special or just doesn't throw special at all. It sucks I have tried multiple times .
  • J0eySn0wJ0eySn0w Member Posts: 980 ★★★★

    Reverse controls is just a lazy way to elevate difficulty of a fight. Change my mind

    It's not lazy at all . If not for reverse controls, this would be such an easy fight with zero difficulty.

    It gives you a way to practice it on a good fight without having to go deep into quests.
    That’s a narrow way of looking at this. If it’s not for reverse controls, all the nodes would have changed. I’m not saying take the reverse control node off. I’m only addressing the node by itself not in relation to the other nodes.
    You may not no this, I’m going to complete this quest. I don’t have issues with skill. I’ve played with the best my level allows me. Im capped with my account because I can only devote a set amount of time and resources to the game.
    I’ve 100% Necropolis and all end game content in the game currently. I’m bringing to light cognitive conditions that many are dealing with which may affect how they certain nodes are perceived.
    And this is just one instance. Another example is NTW (Negasonic), her specials are too much my eyes to process. I blink multiple times. It is what it is. I’m only bringing to attention what other may be going through with certain interactions.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,222 ★★★★★

    That's a lot of typing to say you suck at reverse controls.

    Why are you horrible? Did you even read it? They just asked for a way to practice reverse controls like ROL. Nothing nasty or bad about it. Not a horrible ask either
    Of course I read it. There's plenty of places to practice and it's not like reverse controls is new. I suck at reverse controls probably more than anyone but I'm not on here announcing it to everyone. In fact I hate the node. I'm not looking forward to it at all. My fights work off muscle memory and reverse controls gets me every time.

    To use medical conditions in this manner at this point is just weird. Reverse controls are all over content in this game and included in abilities with champs. So why does it matter for this fight? If you're doing this content, you've already done reverse controls many, many times.
  • J0eySn0wJ0eySn0w Member Posts: 980 ★★★★
    Emilia90 said:

    kus234 said:

    Very well described.. I wish Kabam listens . This is not a skill issue this is just pure BS...

    Nah it’s a skill issue. The only thing making this fight hard is the reverse controls which you can get used to with practice. Other than that it’s the easiest thing ever lmao. Bait specials and use your own
    I don’t know you and neither you, maybe you’re very skillful but I can assure you I’m not that far off from you in skill if not at the same level or even better.
  • GamerGamer Member Posts: 11,079 ★★★★★

    That's a lot of typing to say you suck at reverse controls.

    Why are you horrible? Did you even read it? They just asked for a way to practice reverse controls like ROL. Nothing nasty or bad about it. Not a horrible ask either
    Of course I read it. There's plenty of places to practice and it's not like reverse controls is new. I suck at reverse controls probably more than anyone but I'm not on here announcing it to everyone. In fact I hate the node. I'm not looking forward to it at all. My fights work off muscle memory and reverse controls gets me every time.

    To use medical conditions in this manner at this point is just weird. Reverse controls are all over content in this game and included in abilities with champs. So why does it matter for this fight? If you're doing this content, you've already done reverse controls many, many times.
    I wished the revser control wasn’t one and of that’s I can handle but this one is hard but did enjoy it a lot I just read one of them wrong. With the skil I read zero of the skil just the claitify tag unfortunately so use Angela and use 5 reviews lol but ended op sole it with a km and omega red. Was fun
  • PantherusNZPantherusNZ Member Posts: 2,264 ★★★★★
    Good news - you now have this quest for 2 weeks to get used to reverse controls.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,222 ★★★★★
    J0eySn0w said:

    That's a lot of typing to say you suck at reverse controls.

    Why are you horrible? Did you even read it? They just asked for a way to practice reverse controls like ROL. Nothing nasty or bad about it. Not a horrible ask either
    Of course I read it. There's plenty of places to practice and it's not like reverse controls is new. I suck at reverse controls probably more than anyone but I'm not on here announcing it to everyone. In fact I hate the node. I'm not looking forward to it at all. My fights work off muscle memory and reverse controls gets me every time.

    To use medical conditions in this manner at this point is just weird. Reverse controls are all over content in this game and included in abilities with champs. So why does it matter for this fight? If you're doing this content, you've already done reverse controls many, many times.
    It’s found in only end game content where one mistake cost you. If you read, I mentioned many would want to do better and practice. So maybe, you could have been helpful and indicate where we can find reverse control nodes.
    It's not found in only end game content. It's in act 6 several times. Delirium is the same as reverse controls. 6.1.6 and 6.3.1.
  • DemonzfyreDemonzfyre Member Posts: 22,222 ★★★★★

    That's a lot of typing to say you suck at reverse controls.

    Why are you horrible? Did you even read it? They just asked for a way to practice reverse controls like ROL. Nothing nasty or bad about it. Not a horrible ask either
    Of course I read it. There's plenty of places to practice and it's not like reverse controls is new. I suck at reverse controls probably more than anyone but I'm not on here announcing it to everyone. In fact I hate the node. I'm not looking forward to it at all. My fights work off muscle memory and reverse controls gets me every time.

    To use medical conditions in this manner at this point is just weird. Reverse controls are all over content in this game and included in abilities with champs. So why does it matter for this fight? If you're doing this content, you've already done reverse controls many, many times.
    Just...just because nice man. Especially when someone asks it nicely. There are plenty of entitled people out there on whom, you ,me and all the others dunk on. That's okay. Don't do it when someone writes out a proper reason why they think so and so
    I just don't like the use of the medical conditions as an excuse all the sudden.
  • J0eySn0wJ0eySn0w Member Posts: 980 ★★★★
    Buttehrs said:

    In all fairness, I do understand conginitive conditions, not every fight is meant for every player. At least it's not permanent content and can easily just be skipped.

    True, it can be skipped at a cost (end game rewards) to the player. Like I said, these individuals are also trying to compete. The nodes have ruled out almost any possibility of using an immune champion whereas if they wanted, for example, reduced those champions damage by a set %. Kabam knows it’s a difficult node that’s why it’s found in the most difficult of contents but maybe they have considered it may be extremely difficult for certain people. I balanced it out by adding, it would be a good idea to have options to apply nodes to say ROL.
  • ButtehrsButtehrs Member Posts: 6,171 ★★★★★
    J0eySn0w said:

    Buttehrs said:

    In all fairness, I do understand conginitive conditions, not every fight is meant for every player. At least it's not permanent content and can easily just be skipped.

    True, it can be skipped at a cost (end game rewards) to the player. Like I said, these individuals are also trying to compete. The nodes have ruled out almost any possibility of using an immune champion whereas if they wanted, for example, reduced those champions damage by a set %. Kabam knows it’s a difficult node that’s why it’s found in the most difficult of contents but maybe they have considered it may be extremely difficult for certain people. I balanced it out by adding, it would be a good idea to have options to apply nodes to say ROL.
    Ok but those people with existing conditions already know exactly what this game is about so it's on them really. That's not kabams fault nor should they have to tailor especially to those individuals.
  • WhiteKnightWhiteKnight Member Posts: 689 ★★★★
    Don't usually agree with @Demonzfyre 😂

    But has a point... there's people woth cognitive conditions that can't play this game past a certain point for many reasons than just reverse controls.

    Posting an essay like this doesn't really do much, if you have an inability to do this it is very unfortunate but its impossible for the devs to create content available for everybody.

    And THIS is your opportunity to practice, costs 6 energy, you die then you restart and learn the fight. I genuinely don't think the devs EVER make content to frustrate players, I believe these situations are an oversite of difficulty/not play tested... this isn't the case, this is purely skill based and elevating your skill level, MSD handle reverse controls very easy because he is extremely skilled at the game.
  • NüΚΞNüΚΞ Member Posts: 264 ★★★
    This was exactly my thought when I saw this node. There has to be a few people where this is a literal impossibility.
  • Dart1981Dart1981 Member Posts: 232 ★★★
    There was easily a way around this! Leave reverse control immunity node off and then choose objectives that disclude the very limited pool of reverse control immune champs. That way there was an easy point to be achieved by all but if you want the objectives you have to deal with the reverse controls. Way more inclusive.
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