If the titan pool is going to be so meh, we need more opportunities to open them

Shadow_Shooter · June 18

Shadow_Shooter said:

Shadow_Shooter said:
I got 3 havoks, 2 blades, 1 peni parker. i hate this crystal with my guts. Crystal drops are the main reason i’m no longer that active in game… especially after hitting some level like 4-5M, the drops get real ugly.
And now I got nova. For 7 effing titan crystals, 0 new champion. I’d understand RNG but this is something else. If kabam continues to pull sheninagans like this, there’ll be no one left to play the game.

whoever disliking this comment, i’m happy to trade in my champs with yours.

ItsClobberinTime · June 18

Joker1976 said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Joker1976 said:

GroundedWisdom said:
I'm not sure what you're seeing, but I counted at least 8 really good options off the top of my head in that Crystal.
Respectfully the OP has 47 yea’s to 13 nay’s,.,i can see where he’s coming from.
He’s not questioning the great champs you can get,..but rather the value of the crystal itself if you have irrelevant or unrealistic champs in it.
Spinning a Titan crystal shouldn’t be considered a “bonus”,..and it also shouldn’t be a “total loss”.
Blade,..Thing,..or Nova,..from a Titan,.,is a total waste and loss imo.
But on the bright side there is an easy solution,…just don’t put garbage in the Titan crystal.
See how easy that was?
They stated themselves that the numbers are how they made the Crystal more advantageous, not a Crystal full of OP Champs. We're a decade into this game, and it still puzzles me how people are in denial about the fact that most everything is based on RNG when it comes to Champ acquisition. In that amount of time, I've seen people be hyper critical of Champs all the while, simply because they're comparing all Champs to the ones they think are the best. The reality is, there are a scarce few in comparison that have very little use. Now, this may be exacerbated by the fact that there are a number of very powerful Champs out lately, but the value of the other Champs, in my opinion, has been somewhat understated.
I never said a crystal full of OP champs,..
It never ceases to amaze me that people don’t understand “balance”.
Putting champions in the Titan crystal that are not worthy of investment ..such as Blade,..Nova,..Thing,..Sym supreme etc does not make for a balanced crystal
Putting decent champions that are worthy of investment alongside the recently released 7 stars within the Titan makes much more sense than to group them with zeros.

The worst part is some of them like Thing and Nova would be worth the investment if they were sig 200 but... Good luck getting them to sig 200 when most of us can barely pop one Titan every two months. It's almost like they're shoving it in our faces on purpose to piss people off lmao.

Emilia90 · June 18

The Titan pool additions are kinda baffling to me because there are plenty of champs that would be perfect 7* for the pool that they haven’t added yet

Why not Medusa instead of Nova? No hood yet, no Cassie (instead of thing), no hit monkey, etc. I think there’s a good balance that the crystal can have that they just refuse to add champs like this instead of thing and nova.

Joker1976 · June 18

Emilia90 said:
The Titan pool additions are kinda baffling to me because there are plenty of champs that would be perfect 7* for the pool that they haven’t added yet

Why not Medusa instead of Nova? No hood yet, no Cassie (instead of thing), no hit monkey, etc. I think there’s a good balance that the crystal can have that they just refuse to add champs like this instead of thing and nova.

This ⬆️ ,…makes total sense to me.
( Cassie,..Hit Monkey),…champs worth investing in as a 7 star.
….Everything a Titan crystal “SHOULD” be.

Sachhyam257 · June 19

Emilia90 said:
The Titan pool additions are kinda baffling to me because there are plenty of champs that would be perfect 7* for the pool that they haven’t added yet

Why not Medusa instead of Nova? No hood yet, no Cassie (instead of thing), no hit monkey, etc. I think there’s a good balance that the crystal can have that they just refuse to add champs like this instead of thing and nova.

Doesn't cassie need her sig? High sig even? I don't have the 6*, so I'm guessing purely based on her sig description...

ItsClobberinTime · June 19

Sachhyam257 said:

Emilia90 said:
The Titan pool additions are kinda baffling to me because there are plenty of champs that would be perfect 7* for the pool that they haven’t added yet

Why not Medusa instead of Nova? No hood yet, no Cassie (instead of thing), no hit monkey, etc. I think there’s a good balance that the crystal can have that they just refuse to add champs like this instead of thing and nova.
Doesn't cassie need her sig? High sig even? I don't have the 6*, so I'm guessing purely based on her sig description...

The 6* does but a 7* probably wouldn't need it. If you give her special damage stat, the sp2 will probably be overkill for most BGs healthpools.

Samanun · June 19

EdisonLaw · June 19

Sachhyam257 said:

Emilia90 said:
The Titan pool additions are kinda baffling to me because there are plenty of champs that would be perfect 7* for the pool that they haven’t added yet

Why not Medusa instead of Nova? No hood yet, no Cassie (instead of thing), no hit monkey, etc. I think there’s a good balance that the crystal can have that they just refuse to add champs like this instead of thing and nova.
Doesn't cassie need her sig? High sig even? I don't have the 6*, so I'm guessing purely based on her sig description...

Not required but nice to have

EdisonLaw · June 19

@ItsClobberinTime @Polygon
Symbiote Supreme is still super good against anyone with buffs and who can bleed. Nova, needs high sig on attack but can still be good on defense (unless they have a mystic)

GroundedWisdom · June 19

Polygon said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Joker1976 said:

GroundedWisdom said:
I'm not sure what you're seeing, but I counted at least 8 really good options off the top of my head in that Crystal.
Respectfully the OP has 47 yea’s to 13 nay’s,.,i can see where he’s coming from.
He’s not questioning the great champs you can get,..but rather the value of the crystal itself if you have irrelevant or unrealistic champs in it.
Spinning a Titan crystal shouldn’t be considered a “bonus”,..and it also shouldn’t be a “total loss”.
Blade,..Thing,..or Nova,..from a Titan,.,is a total waste and loss imo.
But on the bright side there is an easy solution,…just don’t put garbage in the Titan crystal.
See how easy that was?
They stated themselves that the numbers are how they made the Crystal more advantageous, not a Crystal full of OP Champs. We're a decade into this game, and it still puzzles me how people are in denial about the fact that most everything is based on RNG when it comes to Champ acquisition. In that amount of time, I've seen people be hyper critical of Champs all the while, simply because they're comparing all Champs to the ones they think are the best. The reality is, there are a scarce few in comparison that have very little use. Now, this may be exacerbated by the fact that there are a number of very powerful Champs out lately, but the value of the other Champs, in my opinion, has been somewhat understated.
The point is that the recent pools of the Titan Crystals have substantially declined in value compared to some of the earlier ones.

I got a Bullseye dupe in my last one which has very little value , especially since it's low sig

That's entirely relative, depending on who's in the Crystal. There is an increased chance at newer 7*s. No one said they'd all be game-changing.

ItsClobberinTime said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Joker1976 said:

GroundedWisdom said:
I'm not sure what you're seeing, but I counted at least 8 really good options off the top of my head in that Crystal.
Respectfully the OP has 47 yea’s to 13 nay’s,.,i can see where he’s coming from.
He’s not questioning the great champs you can get,..but rather the value of the crystal itself if you have irrelevant or unrealistic champs in it.
Spinning a Titan crystal shouldn’t be considered a “bonus”,..and it also shouldn’t be a “total loss”.
Blade,..Thing,..or Nova,..from a Titan,.,is a total waste and loss imo.
But on the bright side there is an easy solution,…just don’t put garbage in the Titan crystal.
See how easy that was?
They stated themselves that the numbers are how they made the Crystal more advantageous, not a Crystal full of OP Champs. We're a decade into this game, and it still puzzles me how people are in denial about the fact that most everything is based on RNG when it comes to Champ acquisition. In that amount of time, I've seen people be hyper critical of Champs all the while, simply because they're comparing all Champs to the ones they think are the best. The reality is, there are a scarce few in comparison that have very little use. Now, this may be exacerbated by the fact that there are a number of very powerful Champs out lately, but the value of the other Champs, in my opinion, has been somewhat understated.
Why are you talking about crystal RNG when the complaint is about the champs in the pool being meh? Nobody's in denial about the RNG aspect of crystals it's the fact that none of the champs (other than Serpent) that were added to the last pool and this one are meta relevant.

You've answered your own argument.

ItsClobberinTime · June 19

GroundedWisdom said:

Polygon said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Joker1976 said:

GroundedWisdom said:
I'm not sure what you're seeing, but I counted at least 8 really good options off the top of my head in that Crystal.
Respectfully the OP has 47 yea’s to 13 nay’s,.,i can see where he’s coming from.
He’s not questioning the great champs you can get,..but rather the value of the crystal itself if you have irrelevant or unrealistic champs in it.
Spinning a Titan crystal shouldn’t be considered a “bonus”,..and it also shouldn’t be a “total loss”.
Blade,..Thing,..or Nova,..from a Titan,.,is a total waste and loss imo.
But on the bright side there is an easy solution,…just don’t put garbage in the Titan crystal.
See how easy that was?
They stated themselves that the numbers are how they made the Crystal more advantageous, not a Crystal full of OP Champs. We're a decade into this game, and it still puzzles me how people are in denial about the fact that most everything is based on RNG when it comes to Champ acquisition. In that amount of time, I've seen people be hyper critical of Champs all the while, simply because they're comparing all Champs to the ones they think are the best. The reality is, there are a scarce few in comparison that have very little use. Now, this may be exacerbated by the fact that there are a number of very powerful Champs out lately, but the value of the other Champs, in my opinion, has been somewhat understated.
The point is that the recent pools of the Titan Crystals have substantially declined in value compared to some of the earlier ones.

I got a Bullseye dupe in my last one which has very little value , especially since it's low sig
That's entirely relative, depending on who's in the Crystal. There is an increased chance at newer 7*s. No one said they'd all be game-changing.
ItsClobberinTime said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Joker1976 said:

GroundedWisdom said:
I'm not sure what you're seeing, but I counted at least 8 really good options off the top of my head in that Crystal.
Respectfully the OP has 47 yea’s to 13 nay’s,.,i can see where he’s coming from.
He’s not questioning the great champs you can get,..but rather the value of the crystal itself if you have irrelevant or unrealistic champs in it.
Spinning a Titan crystal shouldn’t be considered a “bonus”,..and it also shouldn’t be a “total loss”.
Blade,..Thing,..or Nova,..from a Titan,.,is a total waste and loss imo.
But on the bright side there is an easy solution,…just don’t put garbage in the Titan crystal.
See how easy that was?
They stated themselves that the numbers are how they made the Crystal more advantageous, not a Crystal full of OP Champs. We're a decade into this game, and it still puzzles me how people are in denial about the fact that most everything is based on RNG when it comes to Champ acquisition. In that amount of time, I've seen people be hyper critical of Champs all the while, simply because they're comparing all Champs to the ones they think are the best. The reality is, there are a scarce few in comparison that have very little use. Now, this may be exacerbated by the fact that there are a number of very powerful Champs out lately, but the value of the other Champs, in my opinion, has been somewhat understated.
Why are you talking about crystal RNG when the complaint is about the champs in the pool being meh? Nobody's in denial about the RNG aspect of crystals it's the fact that none of the champs (other than Serpent) that were added to the last pool and this one are meta relevant.
You've answered your own argument.

I fail to see how RNG is related to the champs Kabam adds to the pool. They have full control over which champs get added.

Pandingo · June 19

You'll get them in a week or so for the low low price of all your money 🤣🤣🤣

ItsClobberinTime · June 19

EdisonLaw said:
@ItsClobberinTime @Polygon
Symbiote Supreme is still super good against anyone with buffs and who can bleed. Nova, needs high sig on attack but can still be good on defense (unless they have a mystic)

Most 7* mystics are, what does he bring to the table that others don't? I'll wait lol.

jcphillips7 · June 19

Pandingo said:
You'll get them in a week or so for the low low price of all your money 🤣🤣🤣

Looking back at all the money I've spent on last July 4th, Cyber Week, Banquet, Valentine's Week, Deadpool Awards, and Omega Days (probably $3200+) and what I have to show for it (still missing a chunk of meta relevant champs that everyone else and their mother seem to have and awakenings on those I DO have), it really has me reconsidering this July 4th leading up to it. It's probably going to cost me another $800-900 to be able to buy the offer tracks twice given my current unit state, and I really need some guaranteed bangers or guaranteed awakenings. It really sucks to have a ton of resources to hype yourself and plan big rankups to then look at your roster post offers and be like "Well, I guess this is the only one going up...and I had them before I dropped a grand..."

GroundedWisdom · June 19

ItsClobberinTime said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Polygon said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Joker1976 said:

GroundedWisdom said:
I'm not sure what you're seeing, but I counted at least 8 really good options off the top of my head in that Crystal.
Respectfully the OP has 47 yea’s to 13 nay’s,.,i can see where he’s coming from.
He’s not questioning the great champs you can get,..but rather the value of the crystal itself if you have irrelevant or unrealistic champs in it.
Spinning a Titan crystal shouldn’t be considered a “bonus”,..and it also shouldn’t be a “total loss”.
Blade,..Thing,..or Nova,..from a Titan,.,is a total waste and loss imo.
But on the bright side there is an easy solution,…just don’t put garbage in the Titan crystal.
See how easy that was?
They stated themselves that the numbers are how they made the Crystal more advantageous, not a Crystal full of OP Champs. We're a decade into this game, and it still puzzles me how people are in denial about the fact that most everything is based on RNG when it comes to Champ acquisition. In that amount of time, I've seen people be hyper critical of Champs all the while, simply because they're comparing all Champs to the ones they think are the best. The reality is, there are a scarce few in comparison that have very little use. Now, this may be exacerbated by the fact that there are a number of very powerful Champs out lately, but the value of the other Champs, in my opinion, has been somewhat understated.
The point is that the recent pools of the Titan Crystals have substantially declined in value compared to some of the earlier ones.

I got a Bullseye dupe in my last one which has very little value , especially since it's low sig
That's entirely relative, depending on who's in the Crystal. There is an increased chance at newer 7*s. No one said they'd all be game-changing.
ItsClobberinTime said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Joker1976 said:

GroundedWisdom said:
I'm not sure what you're seeing, but I counted at least 8 really good options off the top of my head in that Crystal.
Respectfully the OP has 47 yea’s to 13 nay’s,.,i can see where he’s coming from.
He’s not questioning the great champs you can get,..but rather the value of the crystal itself if you have irrelevant or unrealistic champs in it.
Spinning a Titan crystal shouldn’t be considered a “bonus”,..and it also shouldn’t be a “total loss”.
Blade,..Thing,..or Nova,..from a Titan,.,is a total waste and loss imo.
But on the bright side there is an easy solution,…just don’t put garbage in the Titan crystal.
See how easy that was?
They stated themselves that the numbers are how they made the Crystal more advantageous, not a Crystal full of OP Champs. We're a decade into this game, and it still puzzles me how people are in denial about the fact that most everything is based on RNG when it comes to Champ acquisition. In that amount of time, I've seen people be hyper critical of Champs all the while, simply because they're comparing all Champs to the ones they think are the best. The reality is, there are a scarce few in comparison that have very little use. Now, this may be exacerbated by the fact that there are a number of very powerful Champs out lately, but the value of the other Champs, in my opinion, has been somewhat understated.
Why are you talking about crystal RNG when the complaint is about the champs in the pool being meh? Nobody's in denial about the RNG aspect of crystals it's the fact that none of the champs (other than Serpent) that were added to the last pool and this one are meta relevant.
You've answered your own argument.
I fail to see how RNG is related to the champs Kabam adds to the pool. They have full control over which champs get added.

You said meta relevant. That's subjective. You're absolutely right. They have full control over the Champs that get added. I don't see how the Titan Crystal was intended to have every pull be the most relevant. I pointed out RNG because that's the purpose of RNG. There are some that are "top prizes" (in terms of what people want the most), some that are middle-of-the-road, and some people don't want at all. That's not a failure. That's good RNG planning.
They're not all going to be Onslaught calibre.

DNA3000 · June 19

ItsClobberinTime said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Joker1976 said:

GroundedWisdom said:
I'm not sure what you're seeing, but I counted at least 8 really good options off the top of my head in that Crystal.
Respectfully the OP has 47 yea’s to 13 nay’s,.,i can see where he’s coming from.
He’s not questioning the great champs you can get,..but rather the value of the crystal itself if you have irrelevant or unrealistic champs in it.
Spinning a Titan crystal shouldn’t be considered a “bonus”,..and it also shouldn’t be a “total loss”.
Blade,..Thing,..or Nova,..from a Titan,.,is a total waste and loss imo.
But on the bright side there is an easy solution,…just don’t put garbage in the Titan crystal.
See how easy that was?
They stated themselves that the numbers are how they made the Crystal more advantageous, not a Crystal full of OP Champs. We're a decade into this game, and it still puzzles me how people are in denial about the fact that most everything is based on RNG when it comes to Champ acquisition. In that amount of time, I've seen people be hyper critical of Champs all the while, simply because they're comparing all Champs to the ones they think are the best. The reality is, there are a scarce few in comparison that have very little use. Now, this may be exacerbated by the fact that there are a number of very powerful Champs out lately, but the value of the other Champs, in my opinion, has been somewhat understated.
Why are you talking about crystal RNG when the complaint is about the champs in the pool being meh? Nobody's in denial about the RNG aspect of crystals it's the fact that none of the champs (other than Serpent) that were added to the last pool and this one are meta relevant.

The value of the champs is a matter of opinion, but both the thread title and the discussion has revolved around a presumption that because the crystal is hard to get, the pulls people get from it should always be as valuable as they want.

That’s specifically contrary to the design intent of the crystal. Titans were explicitly intended to *break* that notion. If you think that, the Titan is supposed to convince you otherwise. The original intent of the featured crystals was to be a crystal where some players got some of the things that they were targeting in the crystal, but the players twice broke the crystal by simply trading basic pulls for featured pulls, practically guaranteeing that they would pull at least some of, if not all of their targets.

The Titan crystal simultaneously is supposed to be hard to get and have a sufficiently diverse pool that players would not just get whatever they want. The idea that it should either be easy to get or have every champ be what the player wants implies the player should always have full control over at least some aspect of their drops. The game does not allow for that level of player agency in champion pulls.

In other words, the devs *intend* for players to think the crystal is either too rare or insufficiently curated. Players want a lot of things, but the devs explicitly avoid giving all of those things. This is one of those things the devs want players to have, but they will not give. Ironically, this thread is positive feedback.

Yeah I know. Economic design reality is very unpopular. Flag away.

ItsClobberinTime · June 19

DNA3000 said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Joker1976 said:

GroundedWisdom said:
I'm not sure what you're seeing, but I counted at least 8 really good options off the top of my head in that Crystal.
Respectfully the OP has 47 yea’s to 13 nay’s,.,i can see where he’s coming from.
He’s not questioning the great champs you can get,..but rather the value of the crystal itself if you have irrelevant or unrealistic champs in it.
Spinning a Titan crystal shouldn’t be considered a “bonus”,..and it also shouldn’t be a “total loss”.
Blade,..Thing,..or Nova,..from a Titan,.,is a total waste and loss imo.
But on the bright side there is an easy solution,…just don’t put garbage in the Titan crystal.
See how easy that was?
They stated themselves that the numbers are how they made the Crystal more advantageous, not a Crystal full of OP Champs. We're a decade into this game, and it still puzzles me how people are in denial about the fact that most everything is based on RNG when it comes to Champ acquisition. In that amount of time, I've seen people be hyper critical of Champs all the while, simply because they're comparing all Champs to the ones they think are the best. The reality is, there are a scarce few in comparison that have very little use. Now, this may be exacerbated by the fact that there are a number of very powerful Champs out lately, but the value of the other Champs, in my opinion, has been somewhat understated.
Why are you talking about crystal RNG when the complaint is about the champs in the pool being meh? Nobody's in denial about the RNG aspect of crystals it's the fact that none of the champs (other than Serpent) that were added to the last pool and this one are meta relevant.
The value of the champs is a matter of opinion, but both the thread title and the discussion has revolved around a presumption that because the crystal is hard to get, the pulls people get from it should always be as valuable as they want.

That’s specifically contrary to the design intent of the crystal. Titans were explicitly intended to *break* that notion. If you think that, the Titan is supposed to convince you otherwise. The original intent of the featured crystals was to be a crystal where some players got some of the things that they were targeting in the crystal, but the players twice broke the crystal by simply trading basic pulls for featured pulls, practically guaranteeing that they would pull at least some of, if not all of their targets.

The Titan crystal simultaneously is supposed to be hard to get and have a sufficiently diverse pool that players would not just get whatever they want. The idea that it should either be easy to get or have every champ be what the player wants implies the player should always have full control over at least some aspect of their drops. The game does not allow for that level of player agency in champion pulls.

In other words, the devs *intend* for players to think the crystal is either too rare or insufficiently curated. Players want a lot of things, but the devs explicitly avoid giving all of those things. This is one of those things the devs want players to have, but they will not give. Ironically, this thread is positive feedback.

Yeah I know. Economic design reality is very unpopular. Flag away.

For BGs it isn't a matter of opinion, the kits are what they are, they're either good mid or bad.

I didn't say we need op champs only, neither did I say that because of the value of the crystal only good champs should be in there or else they should be easy to acquire these are all assumptions that you just pulled out of nowhere basically. However, currently most of the stuff in there is mid garbage (at least for BGs purposes, can guarantee you most Celestial players will agree) and personally I think there should be a little bit more balance when it comes to older champs.

ItsClobberinTime · June 19

GroundedWisdom said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Polygon said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Joker1976 said:

GroundedWisdom said:
I'm not sure what you're seeing, but I counted at least 8 really good options off the top of my head in that Crystal.
Respectfully the OP has 47 yea’s to 13 nay’s,.,i can see where he’s coming from.
He’s not questioning the great champs you can get,..but rather the value of the crystal itself if you have irrelevant or unrealistic champs in it.
Spinning a Titan crystal shouldn’t be considered a “bonus”,..and it also shouldn’t be a “total loss”.
Blade,..Thing,..or Nova,..from a Titan,.,is a total waste and loss imo.
But on the bright side there is an easy solution,…just don’t put garbage in the Titan crystal.
See how easy that was?
They stated themselves that the numbers are how they made the Crystal more advantageous, not a Crystal full of OP Champs. We're a decade into this game, and it still puzzles me how people are in denial about the fact that most everything is based on RNG when it comes to Champ acquisition. In that amount of time, I've seen people be hyper critical of Champs all the while, simply because they're comparing all Champs to the ones they think are the best. The reality is, there are a scarce few in comparison that have very little use. Now, this may be exacerbated by the fact that there are a number of very powerful Champs out lately, but the value of the other Champs, in my opinion, has been somewhat understated.
The point is that the recent pools of the Titan Crystals have substantially declined in value compared to some of the earlier ones.

I got a Bullseye dupe in my last one which has very little value , especially since it's low sig
That's entirely relative, depending on who's in the Crystal. There is an increased chance at newer 7*s. No one said they'd all be game-changing.
ItsClobberinTime said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Joker1976 said:

GroundedWisdom said:
I'm not sure what you're seeing, but I counted at least 8 really good options off the top of my head in that Crystal.
Respectfully the OP has 47 yea’s to 13 nay’s,.,i can see where he’s coming from.
He’s not questioning the great champs you can get,..but rather the value of the crystal itself if you have irrelevant or unrealistic champs in it.
Spinning a Titan crystal shouldn’t be considered a “bonus”,..and it also shouldn’t be a “total loss”.
Blade,..Thing,..or Nova,..from a Titan,.,is a total waste and loss imo.
But on the bright side there is an easy solution,…just don’t put garbage in the Titan crystal.
See how easy that was?
They stated themselves that the numbers are how they made the Crystal more advantageous, not a Crystal full of OP Champs. We're a decade into this game, and it still puzzles me how people are in denial about the fact that most everything is based on RNG when it comes to Champ acquisition. In that amount of time, I've seen people be hyper critical of Champs all the while, simply because they're comparing all Champs to the ones they think are the best. The reality is, there are a scarce few in comparison that have very little use. Now, this may be exacerbated by the fact that there are a number of very powerful Champs out lately, but the value of the other Champs, in my opinion, has been somewhat understated.
Why are you talking about crystal RNG when the complaint is about the champs in the pool being meh? Nobody's in denial about the RNG aspect of crystals it's the fact that none of the champs (other than Serpent) that were added to the last pool and this one are meta relevant.
You've answered your own argument.
I fail to see how RNG is related to the champs Kabam adds to the pool. They have full control over which champs get added.
You said meta relevant. That's subjective. You're absolutely right. They have full control over the Champs that get added. I don't see how the Titan Crystal was intended to have every pull be the most relevant. I pointed out RNG because that's the purpose of RNG. There are some that are "top prizes" (in terms of what people want the most), some that are middle-of-the-road, and some people don't want at all. That's not a failure. That's good RNG planning.
They're not all going to be Onslaught calibre.

It's not subjective when you're playing BGs, they're either good mid or bad. You can't get away with a 6* OG Captain America in BGs like you would in regular questing can you?

What is it with you people and the "not all champs have to be broken" lol nobody on this thread has said all champs in the featured have to be broken and meta relevant. Nobody is asking for that, we're literally just asking for more balance when it comes to the older champs being added because as it stands 75% of the older ones in there are either mid garbage nobody in GC is using, or good but require sig 200 which I don't think I need to explain why having so many of those sucks.

FeydRautha · June 19

I am ok with Titans having some duds but what I find funny is that they treat it like some very rare reward that should be very hard to get. Like 20k shards wasn't ridiculous already that they also feel the need to put it as a coveted reward for special events like WoW and SoS. Yeah I might get Onslaught or Bullseye but I already have them as 6 star ascended sig 200 which is much better than unawakened 7 star. There can be an argument for rank 3 but it's not like those resources are also common enough to immediately use on a good Titan pull. So aside from getting champions that are super new, Titans just feels meh to me.

Joker1976 · June 19

So the OP’s 55 agrees to the 14 ( probably Kabam operatives) disagrees,..i wonder if you can compare that to the rest of community that doesn’t actually use the forums?
Kabam said something about “learning from their mistakes”,..yet i wonder if they are or ever will.

But forget all that, i can’t wait to bring my 7 star blade into act 9 ( just have to dust off my 6 star ghost rider to complete that ancient synergy).
But wait …there’s more!
I get to rehash old memories and revisit the act 6 champion boss with my 7 star sym Supreme!!
All of this…AND,…when my 7 star thing and nova are awakened and sig 200 ( sometime in late 2025 or 2026),..you’ll all be seeing them in battlegrounds….better watch out all! 😅

Priyabrata · June 19

This is the first L I have seen DNA3000 take. What a day to be on the forums

IvarTheBoneless · June 19

DNA3000 said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Joker1976 said:

GroundedWisdom said:
I'm not sure what you're seeing, but I counted at least 8 really good options off the top of my head in that Crystal.
Respectfully the OP has 47 yea’s to 13 nay’s,.,i can see where he’s coming from.
He’s not questioning the great champs you can get,..but rather the value of the crystal itself if you have irrelevant or unrealistic champs in it.
Spinning a Titan crystal shouldn’t be considered a “bonus”,..and it also shouldn’t be a “total loss”.
Blade,..Thing,..or Nova,..from a Titan,.,is a total waste and loss imo.
But on the bright side there is an easy solution,…just don’t put garbage in the Titan crystal.
See how easy that was?
They stated themselves that the numbers are how they made the Crystal more advantageous, not a Crystal full of OP Champs. We're a decade into this game, and it still puzzles me how people are in denial about the fact that most everything is based on RNG when it comes to Champ acquisition. In that amount of time, I've seen people be hyper critical of Champs all the while, simply because they're comparing all Champs to the ones they think are the best. The reality is, there are a scarce few in comparison that have very little use. Now, this may be exacerbated by the fact that there are a number of very powerful Champs out lately, but the value of the other Champs, in my opinion, has been somewhat understated.
Why are you talking about crystal RNG when the complaint is about the champs in the pool being meh? Nobody's in denial about the RNG aspect of crystals it's the fact that none of the champs (other than Serpent) that were added to the last pool and this one are meta relevant.
The value of the champs is a matter of opinion, but both the thread title and the discussion has revolved around a presumption that because the crystal is hard to get, the pulls people get from it should always be as valuable as they want.

That’s specifically contrary to the design intent of the crystal. Titans were explicitly intended to *break* that notion. If you think that, the Titan is supposed to convince you otherwise. The original intent of the featured crystals was to be a crystal where some players got some of the things that they were targeting in the crystal, but the players twice broke the crystal by simply trading basic pulls for featured pulls, practically guaranteeing that they would pull at least some of, if not all of their targets.

The Titan crystal simultaneously is supposed to be hard to get and have a sufficiently diverse pool that players would not just get whatever they want. The idea that it should either be easy to get or have every champ be what the player wants implies the player should always have full control over at least some aspect of their drops. The game does not allow for that level of player agency in champion pulls.

In other words, the devs *intend* for players to think the crystal is either too rare or insufficiently curated. Players want a lot of things, but the devs explicitly avoid giving all of those things. This is one of those things the devs want players to have, but they will not give. Ironically, this thread is positive feedback.

Yeah I know. Economic design reality is very unpopular. Flag away.

If that's the intent then what's the desired outcome of that intent? I've anecdotally seen some feedback that players just stop caring about titan crystals, don't open them anymore until there's enough champs that they perceive as desirable (I thought Kabam didn't want to incentivise hoarding?), or are so dissapointed with their pulls they stop playing the game as intensely as they did. This is what I read on the forums and seen on different line chats.

Those don't seem like a positive outcome that benefits kabam so I'm really wondering: if that's the intent then what's the intended outcome?

Shadow_Shooter · June 19

Titan Crystal system is frustrating. With my last seven Titan Crystals and I only pulled champions that are neither meta-relevant nor worth investing in. This pattern, while it can be described as bad luck, highlights a bigger issue with the current design.

Opening a Titan Crystal takes about two months of dedicated gameplay. For such effort, the rewards should be more meaningful. Yet, many older champions in the pool are either weak or require high signature levels to be useful -making them impractical for most players, especially in competitive BGs.

The idea that including less desirable champions adds balance does not hold up. A balanced system should reward dedication, not penalize players with low-value pulls. The current setup often leaves players with champions that are not competitive or useful, which is disheartening after the effort required to obtain a Titan Crystal.

Moreover the rotation of new characters into the Titan Crystal pool further complicates things. When new champions are introduced, players expect a fair chance to acquire them. However, the odds are low due to the large number of less desirable champions. This problem intensifies with each rotation, as new heroes push out previous ones, resetting the cycle of disappointment.

Feedback from players shows a desire for champions like Medusa, Hood, and Hit Monkey in the Titan Crystal, rather than less competitive ones like Nova,Thing, Blade. The developers' intention to maintain variety should not come at the expense of player satisfaction. Including more competitive and valuable champions would provide fair rewards for players' effort and enhance overall satisfaction.

The current Titan Crystal system is flawed. The effort to obtain a crystal, combined with low odds of drawing a useful champion, creates an imbalanced experience. The diversity in the pool should offer meaningful rewards, not frustration. Revising the system to include more competitive champions would reward player dedication and foster a more positive environment.

It’s up to Kabam to take feed back but here’s my 2 cents (little more).
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FrostGiantLord · June 19

So, TLDR of all this, Kabam, is either to keep the Titan as it is but make it easier to obtain, or make the rewards more worth the effort. Add more champs that are either good, or don't require high sig to be useful into the 7* pool.

DanielRand · June 19

ItsClobberinTime said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Polygon said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Joker1976 said:

GroundedWisdom said:
I'm not sure what you're seeing, but I counted at least 8 really good options off the top of my head in that Crystal.
Respectfully the OP has 47 yea’s to 13 nay’s,.,i can see where he’s coming from.
He’s not questioning the great champs you can get,..but rather the value of the crystal itself if you have irrelevant or unrealistic champs in it.
Spinning a Titan crystal shouldn’t be considered a “bonus”,..and it also shouldn’t be a “total loss”.
Blade,..Thing,..or Nova,..from a Titan,.,is a total waste and loss imo.
But on the bright side there is an easy solution,…just don’t put garbage in the Titan crystal.
See how easy that was?
They stated themselves that the numbers are how they made the Crystal more advantageous, not a Crystal full of OP Champs. We're a decade into this game, and it still puzzles me how people are in denial about the fact that most everything is based on RNG when it comes to Champ acquisition. In that amount of time, I've seen people be hyper critical of Champs all the while, simply because they're comparing all Champs to the ones they think are the best. The reality is, there are a scarce few in comparison that have very little use. Now, this may be exacerbated by the fact that there are a number of very powerful Champs out lately, but the value of the other Champs, in my opinion, has been somewhat understated.
The point is that the recent pools of the Titan Crystals have substantially declined in value compared to some of the earlier ones.

I got a Bullseye dupe in my last one which has very little value , especially since it's low sig
That's entirely relative, depending on who's in the Crystal. There is an increased chance at newer 7*s. No one said they'd all be game-changing.
ItsClobberinTime said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Joker1976 said:

GroundedWisdom said:
I'm not sure what you're seeing, but I counted at least 8 really good options off the top of my head in that Crystal.
Respectfully the OP has 47 yea’s to 13 nay’s,.,i can see where he’s coming from.
He’s not questioning the great champs you can get,..but rather the value of the crystal itself if you have irrelevant or unrealistic champs in it.
Spinning a Titan crystal shouldn’t be considered a “bonus”,..and it also shouldn’t be a “total loss”.
Blade,..Thing,..or Nova,..from a Titan,.,is a total waste and loss imo.
But on the bright side there is an easy solution,…just don’t put garbage in the Titan crystal.
See how easy that was?
They stated themselves that the numbers are how they made the Crystal more advantageous, not a Crystal full of OP Champs. We're a decade into this game, and it still puzzles me how people are in denial about the fact that most everything is based on RNG when it comes to Champ acquisition. In that amount of time, I've seen people be hyper critical of Champs all the while, simply because they're comparing all Champs to the ones they think are the best. The reality is, there are a scarce few in comparison that have very little use. Now, this may be exacerbated by the fact that there are a number of very powerful Champs out lately, but the value of the other Champs, in my opinion, has been somewhat understated.
Why are you talking about crystal RNG when the complaint is about the champs in the pool being meh? Nobody's in denial about the RNG aspect of crystals it's the fact that none of the champs (other than Serpent) that were added to the last pool and this one are meta relevant.
You've answered your own argument.
I fail to see how RNG is related to the champs Kabam adds to the pool. They have full control over which champs get added.

Maybe RNG is the answer and they randomly pull champs out of a hat before adding them to the titan…..

Sachhyam257 · June 19

Here's thing though, with the current system, the titan crystal is just a landing zone for new 7*s.

Eventually, they'll have to start introducing the fodder (mid to terrible champs) into the 7* pool. They'll soon run out of good-but-not-broken champs to tier up. Then the likes of phoenix, dpx, gulk, thor rags, etc. will start entering the titan pool. That's a terrifying thought. Months of saving to pull a Moon Knight- I'm worried for the safety of my phone and many others'.

What adds to this, is more of a recent trend I'm noticing, where some of the new champs just spawn in mid as hell. So you're telling me you're adding 3 new mediocre champs, a few old trash cans, and maybe the odd new top tier champ? Brother, with how rare these things are to form, it's just not fun.

^See this word here? "Fun." A rare(ish) crystal should be fun and exciting to open, not dreadful. I don't care what DNA3000, or the mods say about game balancing/ RNG and what not. If there is barely a handful of useful champs in the pool, what makes the titan crystal any better than the basic? You've lost me at that point.

ahmynuts · June 19

I didn't read anyones points in this thread but I agree because there is no 7* Jubilee yet

Sachhyam257 · June 19

"Oh but titan crystal is only meant to be a way to try to get the latest champs as 7*s."

Well, with how these 50+ day rotations work, it's not exactly foolproof. Like how we got arcade and northstar this month, but they didn't make the cutoff for this recent titan update. It'll take almost 2 months for them to get into the titan, and almost a month for the champs coming in july. Even then, you're barely getting more than 1 try at this.

So won't it just be better to wait for the 6* featured instead? Which will take a month or so longer to arrive, yet almost guarantees the champ (through the sheer volume of 6* featureds we valiants/ paragons open).

Then r5ing and ascending them would be just as good, if not better than r2ing the 7* (considering awakening/ high sig and 7* r3s still being rare).

GroundedWisdom · June 19

ItsClobberinTime said:

DNA3000 said:

ItsClobberinTime said:

GroundedWisdom said:

Joker1976 said:

GroundedWisdom said:
I'm not sure what you're seeing, but I counted at least 8 really good options off the top of my head in that Crystal.
Respectfully the OP has 47 yea’s to 13 nay’s,.,i can see where he’s coming from.
He’s not questioning the great champs you can get,..but rather the value of the crystal itself if you have irrelevant or unrealistic champs in it.
Spinning a Titan crystal shouldn’t be considered a “bonus”,..and it also shouldn’t be a “total loss”.
Blade,..Thing,..or Nova,..from a Titan,.,is a total waste and loss imo.
But on the bright side there is an easy solution,…just don’t put garbage in the Titan crystal.
See how easy that was?
They stated themselves that the numbers are how they made the Crystal more advantageous, not a Crystal full of OP Champs. We're a decade into this game, and it still puzzles me how people are in denial about the fact that most everything is based on RNG when it comes to Champ acquisition. In that amount of time, I've seen people be hyper critical of Champs all the while, simply because they're comparing all Champs to the ones they think are the best. The reality is, there are a scarce few in comparison that have very little use. Now, this may be exacerbated by the fact that there are a number of very powerful Champs out lately, but the value of the other Champs, in my opinion, has been somewhat understated.
Why are you talking about crystal RNG when the complaint is about the champs in the pool being meh? Nobody's in denial about the RNG aspect of crystals it's the fact that none of the champs (other than Serpent) that were added to the last pool and this one are meta relevant.
The value of the champs is a matter of opinion, but both the thread title and the discussion has revolved around a presumption that because the crystal is hard to get, the pulls people get from it should always be as valuable as they want.

That’s specifically contrary to the design intent of the crystal. Titans were explicitly intended to *break* that notion. If you think that, the Titan is supposed to convince you otherwise. The original intent of the featured crystals was to be a crystal where some players got some of the things that they were targeting in the crystal, but the players twice broke the crystal by simply trading basic pulls for featured pulls, practically guaranteeing that they would pull at least some of, if not all of their targets.

The Titan crystal simultaneously is supposed to be hard to get and have a sufficiently diverse pool that players would not just get whatever they want. The idea that it should either be easy to get or have every champ be what the player wants implies the player should always have full control over at least some aspect of their drops. The game does not allow for that level of player agency in champion pulls.

In other words, the devs *intend* for players to think the crystal is either too rare or insufficiently curated. Players want a lot of things, but the devs explicitly avoid giving all of those things. This is one of those things the devs want players to have, but they will not give. Ironically, this thread is positive feedback.

Yeah I know. Economic design reality is very unpopular. Flag away.
For BGs it isn't a matter of opinion, the kits are what they are, they're either good mid or bad.

I didn't say we need op champs only, neither did I say that because of the value of the crystal only good champs should be in there or else they should be easy to acquire these are all assumptions that you just pulled out of nowhere basically. However, currently most of the stuff in there is mid garbage (at least for BGs purposes, can guarantee you most Celestial players will agree) and personally I think there should be a little bit more balance when it comes to older champs.

So you want a Crystal designed for what you personally need? That's interesting.

MethodMan69 · June 19

You're not good at opening titans and that's ok

If the titan pool is going to be so meh, we need more opportunities to open them

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