6* magik

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  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 9,458 ★★★★★
    If they introduce 6* magik, they should make limbo scale only to base damage, like galan's harvest.

    But if they introduce 6* magik as it is, I'm pretty sure she will be the toughest mystic defender in game, even tougher than kindred doom and sassy imo.
  • smdam38smdam38 Member Posts: 1,429 ★★★

    smdam38 said:

    smdam38 said:

    smdam38 said:

    Magik was horrible before her buff. Everyone hated getting her. It was all about getting Scarlet Witch and a dupe and easily beating everything.

    Current Magik as a 6 or 7* would be fine I think?

    People complain about Herc, but then you have Ronan and Hulk almost perma stun cheese.

    The limbo might be a little op depending on how it scales.

    I liked magik more before she got buffed tbh
    You obviously don’t remember old magik.
    I remember her perfectly fine, still had power control and I liked the way she healed back from damage instantly it saved me a lot
    What’s your “remember” rate? Like how long ago?
    I’ve been playing this game for 9-10 years i remember, she was one of my favourite champs. I was one of the few that didn’t like the limbo change. I grew to accept it.
    So you actually liked Magik before they upgraded her?

    It’s very hard to believe, but I can respect it if it’s true.
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 9,458 ★★★★★
    I'm sure the only champ you can say you liked fr before the buff is Og guillotine. They somehow made her worse.
  • smdam38smdam38 Member Posts: 1,429 ★★★

    Why is everyone so afraid of that limbo? Falcon shuts it down.
    The power control? In the days dormammu even had a better power control, but he has **** damage output.
    Magik now as a 6* won't be broken

    With md5, she will sit folks in the corner and they will never get power.
  • VaniteliaVanitelia Member Posts: 480 ★★★
    I am a Magik fan. Ran her with Warlock in AW for a long time (damage boost). Anyone who is posting that she can get a few things changed in order for her to be released as a 6/7 star means it wouldn't be the same Magik. It's the exact thing Miike was saying. If Kabam were to release Magik in higher rarities, it would be with a different kit.

    There are what, maybe 5 champs that can deal with the limbo damage. Falcon, Blade, AA, Namor, GH come to mind. Anyone remember Magik in LoL? If you didn't bring one of these champs, you were in for a bad time. I'd like to think Kabam bases their decisions on data. When there were similar rarities, she was dominant.
  • smdam38smdam38 Member Posts: 1,429 ★★★
    Not a great argument. Mine was better.

    I don’t think anyone would be cool with her being changed.
  • Vegeta9001Vegeta9001 Member Posts: 1,708 ★★★★★
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    cur53d said:

    A 6* Magik would make a lot of people feel better about pulling a 7* Blade

    Nothing is making me feel better about my three blades
  • smdam38smdam38 Member Posts: 1,429 ★★★
    Doesn’t Ronan do that too?
    They haven’t changed that.

    How could they?
    Early folks get the cheese and rest have to actually play the game as intended?
    Riots would ensue.
  • ShashankGuptaShashankGupta Member Posts: 472 ★★
    PT_99 said:

    Ok just nerf her power lock debuff and reduce limbo damage but pls bring her as 6 star so we can use her instead of not using a 5 Star Max ascended magik
    Same story for quake remove concussion and change it physical vurnability and bring her as 6 star instead of not using a 5 Star ascended quake

    Same energy of, "Uhhh okk, nerf Hercules immortality to 3 seconds, with no unblockable, feats reduced to 5 and uhhh, also remove his stun immunity so that he can be uhh 7*"

    Stop it, people are laughing at you.
    I knew people will laugh but common will you use her as 5 Star pretty sure mike didn't talk about what they will change in magik but atleast bring quake as 6 star with physical vurnability instead of concussion
  • smdam38smdam38 Member Posts: 1,429 ★★★
    I might be absolutely wrong, as I usually am.

    But I think if you changed the existing champ while bringing them from 5 to 6, people would be angry.
  • NojokejaymNojokejaym Member Posts: 4,126 ★★★★★
    smdam38 said:

    smdam38 said:

    smdam38 said:

    smdam38 said:

    Magik was horrible before her buff. Everyone hated getting her. It was all about getting Scarlet Witch and a dupe and easily beating everything.

    Current Magik as a 6 or 7* would be fine I think?

    People complain about Herc, but then you have Ronan and Hulk almost perma stun cheese.

    The limbo might be a little op depending on how it scales.

    I liked magik more before she got buffed tbh
    You obviously don’t remember old magik.
    I remember her perfectly fine, still had power control and I liked the way she healed back from damage instantly it saved me a lot
    What’s your “remember” rate? Like how long ago?
    I’ve been playing this game for 9-10 years i remember, she was one of my favourite champs. I was one of the few that didn’t like the limbo change. I grew to accept it.
    So you actually liked Magik before they upgraded her?

    It’s very hard to believe, but I can respect it if it’s true.
    Yes I actually did
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,527 ★★★★★

    If they introduce 6* magik, they should make limbo scale only to base damage, like galan's harvest.

    But if they introduce 6* magik as it is, I'm pretty sure she will be the toughest mystic defender in game, even tougher than kindred doom and sassy imo.

    Sassy is tankier and Kindred still has his annoying root if duped
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 7,527 ★★★★★

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    cur53d said:

    A 6* Magik would make a lot of people feel better about pulling a 7* Blade

    Nothing is making me feel better about my three blades
    Blade day will return
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 9,458 ★★★★★
    EdisonLaw said:

    If they introduce 6* magik, they should make limbo scale only to base damage, like galan's harvest.

    But if they introduce 6* magik as it is, I'm pretty sure she will be the toughest mystic defender in game, even tougher than kindred doom and sassy imo.

    Sassy is tankier and Kindred still has his annoying root if duped
    None of them take 35% of your health just for hitting them, and regens back all the damage you dealt + Completely turn off power stings (lookin at you ham)
  • smdam38smdam38 Member Posts: 1,429 ★★★

    smdam38 said:

    smdam38 said:

    smdam38 said:

    smdam38 said:

    Magik was horrible before her buff. Everyone hated getting her. It was all about getting Scarlet Witch and a dupe and easily beating everything.

    Current Magik as a 6 or 7* would be fine I think?

    People complain about Herc, but then you have Ronan and Hulk almost perma stun cheese.

    The limbo might be a little op depending on how it scales.

    I liked magik more before she got buffed tbh
    You obviously don’t remember old magik.
    I remember her perfectly fine, still had power control and I liked the way she healed back from damage instantly it saved me a lot
    What’s your “remember” rate? Like how long ago?
    I’ve been playing this game for 9-10 years i remember, she was one of my favourite champs. I was one of the few that didn’t like the limbo change. I grew to accept it.
    So you actually liked Magik before they upgraded her?

    It’s very hard to believe, but I can respect it if it’s true.
    Yes I actually did
    What did you like?

    She was one of the most hated champs pre-buff.

    What specific abilities did you like before she was buffed?
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 5,086 ★★★★★
    edited July 17
    People on the forum with pitchforks:
    "Kabam stop the money grab, stop making champs with unavoidable damage like Bullseye, Onslaught, Serpent, this is BS..."
    People on the forums:
    "We want 6" and 7* Magik"

    You guys know that Kabam would probably make a ton of money releasing 7* Hercules, Kitty Pride, Magik, Quake... I wonder why they don't do it... I guess the so called money grab company doesn't like money? 🤔
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,645 Guardian
    smdam38 said:

    smdam38 said:

    smdam38 said:

    smdam38 said:

    Magik was horrible before her buff. Everyone hated getting her. It was all about getting Scarlet Witch and a dupe and easily beating everything.

    Current Magik as a 6 or 7* would be fine I think?

    People complain about Herc, but then you have Ronan and Hulk almost perma stun cheese.

    The limbo might be a little op depending on how it scales.

    I liked magik more before she got buffed tbh
    You obviously don’t remember old magik.
    I remember her perfectly fine, still had power control and I liked the way she healed back from damage instantly it saved me a lot
    What’s your “remember” rate? Like how long ago?
    I’ve been playing this game for 9-10 years i remember, she was one of my favourite champs. I was one of the few that didn’t like the limbo change. I grew to accept it.
    So you actually liked Magik before they upgraded her?

    It’s very hard to believe, but I can respect it if it’s true.
    Nojokejaym is actually expressing the more common opinion of the time. Nobody at the time was making the super strong case that Magik was vastly better after her buff. I know because at the time *I* was one of the very few people on the old forums saying they preferred the buffed version. Such opinions were few and far between, because power control was not a respected utility ability at the time.”, but nullify was. So removing nullify to add power lock/burn was seen by many as a step backwards.

    Public opinion on Magik (at least on the forums and the Reddit) didn’t start to shift until one of the celebrity boss rushes came out that strongly rewarded power control. It’s been a while and I forget which one, but it seemed almost overnight people were singing Magik’s praises afterwards. And then of course there was war, and Magik’s “unavoidable” Limbo damage that solidified her overall value.

    Although I personally preferred Magik post buff, not even I was claiming she was vastly better publicly, for the simple reason that in 2015 I wasn’t an especially good player, and had no sense of what was better overall. What I did know was that for a player like me, Magik’s lockdown ability was a game changer. But what I know now is that many strong players of the time valued power control less for the simple reason that nothing in the game at the time required it, at least for them, so they valued other things more. Most didn’t fully appreciate how the game’s difficulty curve would eventually make solid power control an almost broken ability.

    So if I’m being honest, my initial assessment of Magiks buff was less about me being smart enough to foresee its value, and more about being weak enough to need its value sooner.
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 19,645 Guardian
    As to Magik being released in higher rarities, I’m sure it will happen eventually, but eventually might be indefinitely far into the future. A lot of people are making the case that she wouldn’t be problematic, but those are just opinions. My suspicion is that Magik is being held up in large part due to the Gwenpool experience.

    Gwenpool, for those who do not know, was nerfed a while back when it was discovered she had a specific interaction where she would basically corner an opponent and keep them permanently enervated and thus essentially power locked, and then heavied into oblivion unable to break out with specials. This is something not even Doom can do indefinitely in most cases, and it requires almost no skill. It’s not like Quaking in the corner where you have to learn to evade occasionally. The opponent just gets juggled against the wall until they die.

    Magik doesn’t work exactly the same, but she has an analogous level of power control. She can both prevent power gain *and* drain existing power, and do so using a relative easy attack sequence. While it’s possible to design encounters not vulnerable to Magik, having to deal with that constantly for all time is not a problem the devs want to create for themselves, and they don’t have to.

    They could change Magik to defuse that problem, but as xNig states, this is easier said than done due to another previous champ experience: Guillotine and Hood. The net result of their retunings was a greater appreciation for the fact that when you change a champ, you can’t mess with their core abilities too much or you take away what existing players like about the champ. Unfortunately, the core capabilities of Magik are precisely her problematic features, and while some abilities can be tweaked and tuned, “power locked down” is pretty binary. Either the opponent is locked down or they aren’t.

    Even this could be addressed in theory. But there’s only so much hours in the day, and as long as changing Magik in a way that objectively removes her problems is a difficult problem, the devs are much more likely to work on problems that are easier and generate a better return on investment of that time, and there’s tons of those.

    The fact that Magik is problematic doesn’t make it impossible for her to be added to the game in higher rarities. It just makes it unlikely to rise to the top of the TODO list. Absent that, Magik would need a strong champion design advocate within the dev team to see the light of day as a 6* or higher.
  • IlociaMIlociaM Member Posts: 143
    6* magik wouldn't even see play on bgs lmao
  • NojokejaymNojokejaym Member Posts: 4,126 ★★★★★
    smdam38 said:

    smdam38 said:

    smdam38 said:

    smdam38 said:

    Magik was horrible before her buff. Everyone hated getting her. It was all about getting Scarlet Witch and a dupe and easily beating everything.

    Current Magik as a 6 or 7* would be fine I think?

    People complain about Herc, but then you have Ronan and Hulk almost perma stun cheese.

    The limbo might be a little op depending on how it scales.

    I liked magik more before she got buffed tbh
    You obviously don’t remember old magik.
    I remember her perfectly fine, still had power control and I liked the way she healed back from damage instantly it saved me a lot
    What’s your “remember” rate? Like how long ago?
    I’ve been playing this game for 9-10 years i remember, she was one of my favourite champs. I was one of the few that didn’t like the limbo change. I grew to accept it.
    So you actually liked Magik before they upgraded her?

    It’s very hard to believe, but I can respect it if it’s true.
    Yes I actually did
    smdam38 said:

    smdam38 said:

    smdam38 said:

    smdam38 said:

    smdam38 said:

    Magik was horrible before her buff. Everyone hated getting her. It was all about getting Scarlet Witch and a dupe and easily beating everything.

    Current Magik as a 6 or 7* would be fine I think?

    People complain about Herc, but then you have Ronan and Hulk almost perma stun cheese.

    The limbo might be a little op depending on how it scales.

    I liked magik more before she got buffed tbh
    You obviously don’t remember old magik.
    I remember her perfectly fine, still had power control and I liked the way she healed back from damage instantly it saved me a lot
    What’s your “remember” rate? Like how long ago?
    I’ve been playing this game for 9-10 years i remember, she was one of my favourite champs. I was one of the few that didn’t like the limbo change. I grew to accept it.
    So you actually liked Magik before they upgraded her?

    It’s very hard to believe, but I can respect it if it’s true.
    Yes I actually did
    What did you like?

    She was one of the most hated champs pre-buff.

    What specific abilities did you like before she was buffed?
    I really liked her rewound ability it saved me alot
  • Wakandas_FinestWakandas_Finest Member Posts: 859 ★★★★
    Neither Majik’s damage nor defensive capabilities were ever apart of her appeal. Majik is/was desired for the same reason that Quake is desired. In the hands of highly skilled players either champ is walking through 90% of content taking zero damage using zero revives which makes it a poor business decision for Kabam.
  • Wakandas_FinestWakandas_Finest Member Posts: 859 ★★★★
    EdisonLaw said:

    MCoC_fan said:

    xLunatiXx said:

    xLunatiXx said:

    Magik wouldn't be broken in today's standards. Several champs can control power as hard as she does and hit way harder. Don't believe what kabam says. They said wolverine regen was too overpowered lmao
    Yet here we are, years after his 6 star and nobody is talking about him.
    As for limbo damage, I mean look at the recent champs and their "unavoidable" damage. What's so different ?

    Why are you guys using limbo as a defensive ability only?...
    Sure, and what's broken about limbo offensively ?
    If you use it effectively you can get a lot of power really fast and then heal the damage. It allows her to ignore damage from recoil, and liquid courage and double edge. I haven't played her in a while since she's only a five star, but that's mostly what I remember doing. Also it's a massive failsafe if you get hit.
    So does this work after taking Bullseye/Serpent SP1 block damage, you can heal back the damage?
    You’d take 1 special at most from bullseye and no specials from serpent. People need to google some old Majik fights.
  • Qwerty12345Qwerty12345 Member Posts: 837 ★★★★

    EdisonLaw said:

    MCoC_fan said:

    xLunatiXx said:

    xLunatiXx said:

    Magik wouldn't be broken in today's standards. Several champs can control power as hard as she does and hit way harder. Don't believe what kabam says. They said wolverine regen was too overpowered lmao
    Yet here we are, years after his 6 star and nobody is talking about him.
    As for limbo damage, I mean look at the recent champs and their "unavoidable" damage. What's so different ?

    Why are you guys using limbo as a defensive ability only?...
    Sure, and what's broken about limbo offensively ?
    If you use it effectively you can get a lot of power really fast and then heal the damage. It allows her to ignore damage from recoil, and liquid courage and double edge. I haven't played her in a while since she's only a five star, but that's mostly what I remember doing. Also it's a massive failsafe if you get hit.
    So does this work after taking Bullseye/Serpent SP1 block damage, you can heal back the damage?
    You’d take 1 special at most from bullseye and no specials from serpent. People need to google some old Majik fights.
    Old magik fights vs. Blade, Ghulk, and a multude of other champs that counter her... or old fights against Onslaught, Bullseye, and other champs which only have a half of dozen at most counters to get out without much fun and interactive damage?
  • Wakandas_FinestWakandas_Finest Member Posts: 859 ★★★★

    EdisonLaw said:

    TyEdge said:

    Bendy said:

    PT_99 said:

    7r3 juggs ending fights with single sp2 in 30 seconds is not a problem
    But 6* Magik spamming sp2 again and again is problem 😃

    Logic ❌

    Because u can shut down jugs by non damaging debuffs magik theres no counter to limbo simple as
    Pacify
    Power control
    Ability accuracy reduction
    Gladiator hulk
    Or wmodifying 6-star Magik so her limbo damage only scales with base attack. (Probably requires “creating” her as a new champ like the ROL champs)
    Ghulk is outdated and needs a buff, nobody uses him anymore
    Dude your argument was that Magik would give value to Blade rofl...

    I guess some people never played Magik....
    Its not about the limbo is the fact that unless they make a specific counter node like they did with Hercules, she can corner you in the wall and just spam sp2 for the whole duration of a fight.
    Wth have Bullseye and Onslaught have anything to do with the argument that she would probably cheese 90% of content...

    There is literally a handful of champions and a few nodes bow that prevent power steal/drain/lock along with nodes that lock specials/drain your power, and debuffs immune nodes, as well as cleansers, purifiers etc along with plenty of counters that kill her simply existing like Human torch and some that will damage her plenty like onslaught.

    She would be god tier for sure, but she is no quake, and we can't pretend she is a one key fits all character like quake. At least 25% of the playable roster and many node combinations hard wall her these days.
    So in order to prevent her from cheesing everything after release is put a combination of power drain/lock immunity, stun immunity,, energy resistance, heal block, debuff immune...
    Nah thanks I rather not have her.
    Are you here to just put stupid comments? Her limbo damage is just "ok" for a couple seconds per special. If they're drain immune you can't steal their power, she's shut down, if they're debuff immune they'll still keep gaining power and you can't corner them, if they cleanse same story, if they lock your power at one same story. A lot of champs can't be drained or locked as is by default these days. You don't need these intricate node combinations you've put to shut her down, you need one node, or one champion, it's not really that hard. If you think Magik would be gamebreaking in most modes these days even as a 6* you're out of your mind. So many niche "you need these champions toget through path" so many cleanse nodes, so many debuff immune on knockdown nodes. Especially with the specific catch and receive nodes.
    Almost 300 hundred champs in the game. Maybe 5 are power drain immune. A handful could shrug off her power lock. The other 90% would get washed easy without specific node counters.
  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 5,086 ★★★★★
    Why on earth would you fight Blade with Magik in the first place?... Well lets put HT un the mix too then...
  • Wakandas_FinestWakandas_Finest Member Posts: 859 ★★★★

    EdisonLaw said:

    MCoC_fan said:

    xLunatiXx said:

    xLunatiXx said:

    Magik wouldn't be broken in today's standards. Several champs can control power as hard as she does and hit way harder. Don't believe what kabam says. They said wolverine regen was too overpowered lmao
    Yet here we are, years after his 6 star and nobody is talking about him.
    As for limbo damage, I mean look at the recent champs and their "unavoidable" damage. What's so different ?

    Why are you guys using limbo as a defensive ability only?...
    Sure, and what's broken about limbo offensively ?
    If you use it effectively you can get a lot of power really fast and then heal the damage. It allows her to ignore damage from recoil, and liquid courage and double edge. I haven't played her in a while since she's only a five star, but that's mostly what I remember doing. Also it's a massive failsafe if you get hit.
    So does this work after taking Bullseye/Serpent SP1 block damage, you can heal back the damage?
    You’d take 1 special at most from bullseye and no specials from serpent. People need to google some old Majik fights.
    Old magik fights vs. Blade, Ghulk, and a multude of other champs that counter her... or old fights against Onslaught, Bullseye, and other champs which only have a half of dozen at most counters to get out without much fun and interactive damage?
    At the end of the day it doesn’t matter Kabam has publicly stated that they have no plans to release as a 6 or 7*. This constant whining for her and quake is exhausting
  • NightheartNightheart Member Posts: 2,115 ★★★★
    I would be super happy with a 6 star magik
  • doctorbdoctorb Member Posts: 1,841 ★★★★

    Seriously though we should have 6* magik by now, we have 7* champions like juggernaut who do endgame fights in 30 seconds but 6* magik is too op? Show us some gameplay of a r5 ascended 6* magik and I bet juggs still clears faster, so where’s the logic

    I agree 1000%.
    Personally I think they should also release 7* Quake as is. She's no longer break the game level
  • Batman_bruce31Batman_bruce31 Member Posts: 256 ★★
    It’s now about damage lol, quake and Magik were the Hercules of this game before Hercules was released.

    We actually mow have a champ balancing within months after they are out just because of Hercules and Kitty Pride.

    They don’t want that again
  • Greed_ExodusGreed_Exodus Member Posts: 392 ★★★
    Again, this data is all speculative unless kabam showed us gameplay of a 6* r5 ascended magik, but I doubt they would cause they know she wouldn’t be op, just want to gatekeep her and annoy the community
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