There's no timer anywhere on the screen, during this fight. He begins to evade while still in the air, lands, and continues to evade, even though I hit him. This should have been an intercept with armor break debuff on him.
The timer is invisible. However if he evades even before 7 secs, that should be a bug as he’s only supposed to evade exactly every 7 seconds
He's been bugged for an incredibly long time then. I can't even count how many times I've had him evade multiple hits in a row or on back to back combos. For years he has been simply evading whenever he wants.
That has something to do with evade in itself. There was an old DNA post about it. Like how AOU Ultron has a window where he evades all attacks, champs like classic Spidey also do it. So while it seems like they're evading multiple hits , it's just one evade carrying over to multiple hits performed in succession
The timer is not invisible; this is the rarer Ultron. He just evades whenever and however he wants. Two different champs, the more common variety that’s been in the crystals forever is the one with the green timer.
So we have to do a mental countdown to the next evade?? Lmao. Smh
Not really. If you're experienced enough fighting him, you'll always know if he will evade the next hit or not
It's always been the case,because when everyone else got updates to show their workings LolTron just got left collecting dust, hell we don't even have a 6* version yet. Still rocking his years old kit that is like a tweaked version of old AOU Ultron. Hopefully if he ever comes as a 6/7* we have a better and more visual kit.
He also needs a buff as well, compared to the other Ultron, this Ultron isn’t even remotely as good
* Ultron's robotic body created by Dr. Hank Pym grants him immunity to Bleed, Poison and Slow effects. His advanced AI mind also grants him immunity to Reverse Controls. * Immune to Ability Accuracy Modification except by Cosmic Champions * +X Energy Resistance * For each damage over time effect Ultron is suffering from, he passively regenerates X health per second. This is disabled whenever he is Armor Broken or Shattered
**Functions**:
* Function (**Armor**) – Every 4th Blocked Attack grants an Armor Up Buff, providing +X Armor Rating for 30 seconds. Well-Timed Blocks count as 4 Blocked Attacks for this purpose. As a defender, this triggers every 4 hits landed on him by the attacker * Function (**Nano-inhibitors**): Each Armor Up on Ultron reduces the opponent's Offensive Ability Accuracy by 15%. * Function (**Enhanced parry**): As long as Ultron has one Armor Up, he can activate the Parry Mastery against Projectile attacks. * Function (**Poison radiation**) - Basic attacks inflict Poison for 7 seconds. If immune, inflict Degeneration instead. * Function (**Evade**): Evade for 2 seconds, 10 second cooldown timer. Cannot evade while blocking * Function **(Self Repair):** Below 25%, gain Self Repair, regenerating 20% of maximum health over 7 seconds * Function (**Fury)**: Every 10 hits, gain a Fury buff for 15 seconds * Function (**Cauterize**): Every single time launching a Special attack, Cauterizes all effects on the target caused by Ultron's functions (Degeneration and Poison), increasing Attack by X for every Debuff removed for the duration of the attack, for 10 seconds. When this is active, opponents cannot regenerate any health. * **Heavy attacks**: Triggers Function (Damage) for each unique Function Ultron has utilized during the fight. Cooldown: 5 seconds per unique Function utilized during the fight.
Special 1: **Encephalo Beam:**
* Invalidates up to 5 prowess. For each Prowess removed this way, deal a burst of X Direct Damage. * Function (**Concussion**) Inflict 25% Concussion for 10 seconds. Duration and potency increases for every debuff they have
Special 2: **Attack Routine 11010100**
* 60% Stun for 2.5 seconds
Special 3: **Eradication**
* 100% Stun for 4 seconds * Remove all prowess effects
Signature ability: **Adamantium Chasis**
* Adamantium upgrades grant up to X Physical Resistance and X Critical Resistance * Armor ups gain up to X% potency
* Ultron's robotic body created by Dr. Hank Pym grants him immunity to Bleed, Poison and Slow effects. His advanced AI mind also grants him immunity to Reverse Controls. * Immune to Ability Accuracy Modification except by Cosmic Champions * +X Energy Resistance * For each damage over time effect Ultron is suffering from, he passively regenerates X health per second. This is disabled whenever he is Armor Broken or Shattered
**Functions**:
* Function (**Armor**) – Every 4th Blocked Attack grants an Armor Up Buff, providing +X Armor Rating for 30 seconds. Well-Timed Blocks count as 4 Blocked Attacks for this purpose. As a defender, this triggers every 4 hits landed on him by the attacker * Function (**Nano-inhibitors**): Each Armor Up on Ultron reduces the opponent's Offensive Ability Accuracy by 15%. * Function (**Enhanced parry**): As long as Ultron has one Armor Up, he can activate the Parry Mastery against Projectile attacks. * Function (**Poison radiation**) - Basic attacks inflict Poison for 7 seconds. If immune, inflict Degeneration instead. * Function (**Evade**): Evade for 2 seconds, 10 second cooldown timer. Cannot evade while blocking * Function **(Self Repair):** Below 25%, gain Self Repair, regenerating 20% of maximum health over 7 seconds * Function (**Fury)**: Every 10 hits, gain a Fury buff for 15 seconds * Function (**Cauterize**): Every single time launching a Special attack, Cauterizes all effects on the target caused by Ultron's functions (Degeneration and Poison), increasing Attack by X for every Debuff removed for the duration of the attack, for 10 seconds. When this is active, opponents cannot regenerate any health. * **Heavy attacks**: Triggers Function (Damage) for each unique Function Ultron has utilized during the fight. Cooldown: 5 seconds per unique Function utilized during the fight.
Special 1: **Encephalo Beam:**
* Invalidates up to 5 prowess. For each Prowess removed this way, deal a burst of X Direct Damage. * Function (**Concussion**) Inflict 25% Concussion for 10 seconds. Duration and potency increases for every debuff they have
Special 2: **Attack Routine 11010100**
* 60% Stun for 2.5 seconds
Special 3: **Eradication**
* 100% Stun for 4 seconds * Remove all prowess effects
Signature ability: **Adamantium Chasis**
* Adamantium upgrades grant up to X Physical Resistance and X Critical Resistance * Armor ups gain up to X% potency
Bear in mind, that the common Ultron in game BP never used to have a *VISUAL ICON* 7 second Timer either, for many years after he came out. Initially was invisible, like Lab's still is. Only in the last (?? 3/4/5 years ?) did they add the timer to the common Ultron.
As for being ONLY 7 seconds, as someone else mentioned, my casual observation is that the 7 seconds then persists (for this Lab version) until you actually go to hit him and he uses the Evade. Probably starts the next 7 second timer from then, not from the original reaching of previous 7 seconds (?)
And (not sure if Lab Ultron does this or not), for example BLACK WIDOW Evade seems to potentially do multiple in rapid fire on your very quick successive attacks. My thinking there is that Widow will Evade for a full 1 second, not just a single time.
So some champs might have a 1 second window where they are evading, not just a single evade. Depending what fraction of that second you began your attack, might just be 1 evade, but might be 2 successive evades. Seems like Lab Ultron might be that way too. (so similar but just 1 second, like common Ultron actually has a full length Evade window) ??
Bear in mind, that the common Ultron in game BP never used to have a *VISUAL ICON* 7 second Timer either, for many years after he came out. Initially was invisible, like Lab's still is. Only in the last (?? 3/4/5 years ?) did they add the timer to the common Ultron.
As for being ONLY 7 seconds, as someone else mentioned, my casual observation is that the 7 seconds then persists (for this Lab version) until you actually go to hit him and he uses the Evade. Probably starts the next 7 second timer from then, not from the original reaching of previous 7 seconds (?)
And (not sure if Lab Ultron does this or not), for example BLACK WIDOW Evade seems to potentially do multiple in rapid fire on your very quick successive attacks. My thinking there is that Widow will Evade for a full 1 second, not just a single time.
So some champs might have a 1 second window where they are evading, not just a single evade. Depending what fraction of that second you began your attack, might just be 1 evade, but might be 2 successive evades. Seems like Lab Ultron might be that way too. (so similar but just 1 second, like common Ultron actually has a full length Evade window) ??
The timer to AOUltron was added after his buff iirc
There are lots of problems with AI at this moment, but in this case there is nothing odd. This is how Ultron Classic works like in forever and is nothing out of ordinary evading your hit.
There's no timer anywhere on the screen, during this fight. He begins to evade while still in the air, lands, and continues to evade, even though I hit him. This should have been an intercept with armor break debuff on him.
The timer is invisible. However if he evades even before 7 secs, that should be a bug as he’s only supposed to evade exactly every 7 seconds
He's been bugged for an incredibly long time then. I can't even count how many times I've had him evade multiple hits in a row or on back to back combos. For years he has been simply evading whenever he wants.
That has something to do with evade in itself. There was an old DNA post about it. Like how AOU Ultron has a window where he evades all attacks, champs like classic Spidey also do it. So while it seems like they're evading multiple hits , it's just one evade carrying over to multiple hits performed in succession
There's no timer anywhere on the screen, during this fight. He begins to evade while still in the air, lands, and continues to evade, even though I hit him. This should have been an intercept with armor break debuff on him.
The timer is invisible. However if he evades even before 7 secs, that should be a bug as he’s only supposed to evade exactly every 7 seconds
He's been bugged for an incredibly long time then. I can't even count how many times I've had him evade multiple hits in a row or on back to back combos. For years he has been simply evading whenever he wants.
That has something to do with evade in itself. There was an old DNA post about it. Like how AOU Ultron has a window where he evades all attacks, champs like classic Spidey also do it. So while it seems like they're evading multiple hits , it's just one evade carrying over to multiple hits performed in succession
Others have already mentioned, but long before there was a thing called an “evade charge” that’s what Ultron had: the Function Evade(7s) thing is what we would today describe as Ultron gaining an evade charge every seven seconds, not evading every seven seconds. If Ultron could literally only evade attacks that happened at seven second intervals that would be borderline worthless.
This would be a good time to remind people of the other Evade peculiarity that has long been reported as a bug even though it is not a bug, although it isn’t clearly explained anywhere either and is a deep technical design decision. When something “evades” the evade does not work the way some might expect, as a singular triggered event. Rather, the evade happens by setting some kind of state that causes the champion to evade incoming attacks. That state has a duration, and in some cases that duration is significant, which is why Classic Spider-Man and Black Widow could often evade multiple rapid attacks. They were not triggering multiple evades (which would seem to be impossible given the stated evade chance) they were triggering one “go into evade mode” state, which lasts a little while.
I’m not sure if that’s precisely how it works in the code under the hood, but that’s how it works observationally. One 7% trigger can allow a champ to evade multiple attacks if the champ “sees” them as all one sequence of hits in a small window. And I suspect this was a deliberate decision way back when, because if you would bypass any non-guaranteed evade by just attacking quickly, that would render such evades meaningless.
Yeah Ultron Prime is tricky if you forget those evades, and when he evades multiple hits (e.g. specials) he keep evading until it's done. Once you keep track of it though, you can plan around it, go in to trigger the evade and then go back out then you have 6 seconds to go to town. Medusa should shut it down with Armour Shatter, or any other evade counters.
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Read the kit of the champ you're fighting.
Have you never fought OG Ultron before?
Do you not know what an evade is and how it functions?
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**Robotic Physiology**
* Ultron's robotic body created by Dr. Hank Pym grants him immunity to Bleed, Poison and Slow effects. His advanced AI mind also grants him immunity to Reverse Controls.
* Immune to Ability Accuracy Modification except by Cosmic Champions
* +X Energy Resistance
* For each damage over time effect Ultron is suffering from, he passively regenerates X health per second. This is disabled whenever he is Armor Broken or Shattered
**Functions**:
* Function (**Armor**) – Every 4th Blocked Attack grants an Armor Up Buff, providing +X Armor Rating for 30 seconds. Well-Timed Blocks count as 4 Blocked Attacks for this purpose. As a defender, this triggers every 4 hits landed on him by the attacker
* Function (**Nano-inhibitors**): Each Armor Up on Ultron reduces the opponent's Offensive Ability Accuracy by 15%.
* Function (**Enhanced parry**): As long as Ultron has one Armor Up, he can activate the Parry Mastery against Projectile attacks.
* Function (**Poison radiation**) - Basic attacks inflict Poison for 7 seconds. If immune, inflict Degeneration instead.
* Function (**Evade**): Evade for 2 seconds, 10 second cooldown timer. Cannot evade while blocking
* Function **(Self Repair):** Below 25%, gain Self Repair, regenerating 20% of maximum health over 7 seconds
* Function (**Fury)**: Every 10 hits, gain a Fury buff for 15 seconds
* Function (**Cauterize**): Every single time launching a Special attack, Cauterizes all effects on the target caused by Ultron's functions (Degeneration and Poison), increasing Attack by X for every Debuff removed for the duration of the attack, for 10 seconds. When this is active, opponents cannot regenerate any health.
* **Heavy attacks**: Triggers Function (Damage) for each unique Function Ultron has utilized during the fight. Cooldown: 5 seconds per unique Function utilized during the fight.
Special 1: **Encephalo Beam:**
* Invalidates up to 5 prowess. For each Prowess removed this way, deal a burst of X Direct Damage.
* Function (**Concussion**) Inflict 25% Concussion for 10 seconds. Duration and potency increases for every debuff they have
Special 2: **Attack Routine 11010100**
* 60% Stun for 2.5 seconds
Special 3: **Eradication**
* 100% Stun for 4 seconds
* Remove all prowess effects
Signature ability: **Adamantium Chasis**
* Adamantium upgrades grant up to X Physical Resistance and X Critical Resistance
* Armor ups gain up to X% potency
As for being ONLY 7 seconds, as someone else mentioned, my casual observation is that the 7 seconds then persists (for this Lab version) until you actually go to hit him and he uses the Evade. Probably starts the next 7 second timer from then, not from the original reaching of previous 7 seconds (?)
And (not sure if Lab Ultron does this or not), for example BLACK WIDOW Evade seems to potentially do multiple in rapid fire on your very quick successive attacks.
My thinking there is that Widow will Evade for a full 1 second, not just a single time.
So some champs might have a 1 second window where they are evading, not just a single evade. Depending what fraction of that second you began your attack, might just be 1 evade, but might be 2 successive evades.
Seems like Lab Ultron might be that way too. (so similar but just 1 second, like common Ultron actually has a full length Evade window) ??
This would be a good time to remind people of the other Evade peculiarity that has long been reported as a bug even though it is not a bug, although it isn’t clearly explained anywhere either and is a deep technical design decision. When something “evades” the evade does not work the way some might expect, as a singular triggered event. Rather, the evade happens by setting some kind of state that causes the champion to evade incoming attacks. That state has a duration, and in some cases that duration is significant, which is why Classic Spider-Man and Black Widow could often evade multiple rapid attacks. They were not triggering multiple evades (which would seem to be impossible given the stated evade chance) they were triggering one “go into evade mode” state, which lasts a little while.
I’m not sure if that’s precisely how it works in the code under the hood, but that’s how it works observationally. One 7% trigger can allow a champ to evade multiple attacks if the champ “sees” them as all one sequence of hits in a small window. And I suspect this was a deliberate decision way back when, because if you would bypass any non-guaranteed evade by just attacking quickly, that would render such evades meaningless.
Anyway, yeah, this Ultron was a real pain. I used arkhus and he would still evade.