Kabam Miike wrote: » OhGodYes wrote: » The real question is, are the odds in the basic equal? Or will they be? In its current state they are not equal, that is why so many people consistently pull lower tiered heros from the basics over and over again. Please let us know. It is equal, and always has been. You have exactly the same chance of pulling any Champion for a Basic Crystal as anyone else, and every Champ has an equal chance of dropping as each other.
OhGodYes wrote: » The real question is, are the odds in the basic equal? Or will they be? In its current state they are not equal, that is why so many people consistently pull lower tiered heros from the basics over and over again. Please let us know.
GroundedWisdom wrote: » BitterSteel wrote: » GroundedWisdom wrote: » It's not about the most effective at all. They're looking at the data and avoiding the least effective based on what they're finding. Which means anything else can be included. People might have an opinion one way or another, but the data shows what it shows. And data can be used to lie, meaning that it shows nothing significant Data doesn't lie. It shows the actual usage of the Champs. When examining the effectiveness of Champs, that's about as significant and impartial as it gets. There is a difference between general concensus on who is good and who is not, and the actual performance data. TL:DR - Just because Top Tier Players think that half the Roster sucks doesn't mean that will reflect in the data. The efficiency of a Champ is more than just one area of the game.
BitterSteel wrote: » GroundedWisdom wrote: » It's not about the most effective at all. They're looking at the data and avoiding the least effective based on what they're finding. Which means anything else can be included. People might have an opinion one way or another, but the data shows what it shows. And data can be used to lie, meaning that it shows nothing significant
GroundedWisdom wrote: » It's not about the most effective at all. They're looking at the data and avoiding the least effective based on what they're finding. Which means anything else can be included. People might have an opinion one way or another, but the data shows what it shows.
BitterSteel wrote: » Hubris_hater wrote: » BitterSteel wrote: » Hubris_hater wrote: » This is why the forums are virtually empty Unless you agree to bash Kabam on every thread for every reason then you are called a troll and flagged none stop Lots of people agree with kabam. I don’t mind if you do or don’t. It’s the way he carries himself on the forum, the way he argues his side, and yes of course some of his opinions. I believe he’s a troll because he agrees with kabam on every issue, literally anything kabam has done, gw is there praising them. Anyone speaks against kabam he calls them conspiracy theorists. To be fair mate, I see virtually no-one siding with Kabam on here, at all. It is constant bashing and blaming when that achieves nothing at all as you know. People should discuss, and if they disagree then they disagree. But people get personal, name calling, flagging every post etc etc@GroundedWisdom rubs some people up the wrong way, but no need to abuse him non-stop is there. I genuinely believe he tries to help as much as he can, but people take this the wrong way. Plus he has different opinions than some as well. And people posting personal attacks is then flagged as liked by others? Not nice or grown up But, back to this change: Like I said, nothing will change on this for at least the next 3 months however much some people want it to. So we may as well calm down and see how it works out is what I suggest? It’s because he acts like a troll. Whether he is or not, he acts like one. If I act like a bully to someone and they perceive me to, even if I’m not BEING a bully, does that make me one? Well that’s a different debate but regardless, it would make me in the wrong. You don’t know if anything will change. Nothing will change if nobody says anything about it. But we could bring about real change. Like with the arena changes that kabam cancelled due to community outrage. Your suggestion of Just accepting it and thinking “well there’s nothing I can do” would mean that nothing would change in the game if everyone thought like that. Eg -oh look a bug, but ah well there’s nothing I can do about it so I’ll see how it works out -oh look someone is cheating, but ah well there’s nothing I can do about it so I’ll see how it works out -oh no, kabam are changing arena so we have 10 hour recharge unless we buy an item, but ah well there’s nothing I can do about it so I’ll see how it works out -oh look, kabam are removing blade, spark, ghost rider, star lord and wolverine from the game, but ah well there’s nothing I can do about it so I’ll see how it works out People need to complain to tell kabam what’s wrong. It would be a very bad game and different if nobody complained.
Hubris_hater wrote: » BitterSteel wrote: » Hubris_hater wrote: » This is why the forums are virtually empty Unless you agree to bash Kabam on every thread for every reason then you are called a troll and flagged none stop Lots of people agree with kabam. I don’t mind if you do or don’t. It’s the way he carries himself on the forum, the way he argues his side, and yes of course some of his opinions. I believe he’s a troll because he agrees with kabam on every issue, literally anything kabam has done, gw is there praising them. Anyone speaks against kabam he calls them conspiracy theorists. To be fair mate, I see virtually no-one siding with Kabam on here, at all. It is constant bashing and blaming when that achieves nothing at all as you know. People should discuss, and if they disagree then they disagree. But people get personal, name calling, flagging every post etc etc@GroundedWisdom rubs some people up the wrong way, but no need to abuse him non-stop is there. I genuinely believe he tries to help as much as he can, but people take this the wrong way. Plus he has different opinions than some as well. And people posting personal attacks is then flagged as liked by others? Not nice or grown up But, back to this change: Like I said, nothing will change on this for at least the next 3 months however much some people want it to. So we may as well calm down and see how it works out is what I suggest?
BitterSteel wrote: » Hubris_hater wrote: » This is why the forums are virtually empty Unless you agree to bash Kabam on every thread for every reason then you are called a troll and flagged none stop Lots of people agree with kabam. I don’t mind if you do or don’t. It’s the way he carries himself on the forum, the way he argues his side, and yes of course some of his opinions. I believe he’s a troll because he agrees with kabam on every issue, literally anything kabam has done, gw is there praising them. Anyone speaks against kabam he calls them conspiracy theorists.
Hubris_hater wrote: » This is why the forums are virtually empty Unless you agree to bash Kabam on every thread for every reason then you are called a troll and flagged none stop
GangsterSauce wrote: » Axo4545 wrote: » I give up. DNA3000 and grounded wisdom you two can talk to each other about whatever you want because no matter what anyone else has to say both if you have to try and prove that you are the most intelligent person in the thread. DNA3000, you may or may not be who knows. You definitely have a better shot at it than GW. Anyway, continue on with doing what you both seem to love to do which is trying to prove everyone else wrong. Enjoy the thread and chatting with each other. I don't like the new crystals but I'll take them over being on this thread and having to listen to both of you. Good luck getting the outcome you want on the crystals. Then just ignore them like most people here do? lol they spend more time chatting on the forums than actually playing the game. Disregard them.
Axo4545 wrote: » I give up. DNA3000 and grounded wisdom you two can talk to each other about whatever you want because no matter what anyone else has to say both if you have to try and prove that you are the most intelligent person in the thread. DNA3000, you may or may not be who knows. You definitely have a better shot at it than GW. Anyway, continue on with doing what you both seem to love to do which is trying to prove everyone else wrong. Enjoy the thread and chatting with each other. I don't like the new crystals but I'll take them over being on this thread and having to listen to both of you. Good luck getting the outcome you want on the crystals.
BitterSteel wrote: » Hubris_hater wrote: » BitterSteel wrote: » Hubris_hater wrote: » BitterSteel wrote: » Hubris_hater wrote: » BitterSteel wrote: » You don’t know that kabam won’t change it. You are saying something with absolute certainty that you couldn’t possibly know. You’re either assuming or lying. Again, I’ll mention the arena update that kabam didn’t do because of a week of complaints on forum. Your correct mate, I dont know, its just my opinion. But I am pretty certain about this one, and you are as well really arent you? Plus every post you post yourself (the same as we all do) you state it as if it is fact, when its just your opinion, You keep saying this is a bad change, that we all dont like it or want it, that it will have a bad affect on the game for us etc. These are your opinions, not facts Point to where I said that we all hate it. Or that it will affect the game negatively. You said, just 2 posts above:Well it's a fact that more people hate the idea than like or love it You even said it was a fact, when it clearly isnt, it is your opinion only Since when are these two statements the same? 1) we all hate it 2) more people hate it than love it Out of Everyone I know in the game, upwards of 1000 people (I’m in a line chat with my alliance’s family of alliances) the vast majority dislike it. Using that sample of variously rated players. Some with 4-40s some with rank 5 5*. The largely vast majority hate it. Meaning that to me, it is a fact that more hate it than love it. Stating as a FACT that more people dislike it than like it is just wrong mate. It is your point of view, not mine or others at all. Plus I have already explained that we all look for people who share our opinions, it is a common thing to do. It doesnt make it a fact in any way, it just means you say it is! Doesn't make the opinion the right one Out of the 500+ people I know in game I would say the split is: 30% hate it 20% like it 50% wait to see what happens Does that make my opinion now a fact? It is my point of view, and from a statistical standpoint it is 99% of others as well. We did a poll in our chat and 970 of the 1100 people in the chat voted that they disliked it. Companies use data like that to get “facts” about their general market every day. The odds that the data from that poll is accurate is very high. As I said before, a huge range of progress of each account. So it is very like the population.
Hubris_hater wrote: » BitterSteel wrote: » Hubris_hater wrote: » BitterSteel wrote: » Hubris_hater wrote: » BitterSteel wrote: » You don’t know that kabam won’t change it. You are saying something with absolute certainty that you couldn’t possibly know. You’re either assuming or lying. Again, I’ll mention the arena update that kabam didn’t do because of a week of complaints on forum. Your correct mate, I dont know, its just my opinion. But I am pretty certain about this one, and you are as well really arent you? Plus every post you post yourself (the same as we all do) you state it as if it is fact, when its just your opinion, You keep saying this is a bad change, that we all dont like it or want it, that it will have a bad affect on the game for us etc. These are your opinions, not facts Point to where I said that we all hate it. Or that it will affect the game negatively. You said, just 2 posts above:Well it's a fact that more people hate the idea than like or love it You even said it was a fact, when it clearly isnt, it is your opinion only Since when are these two statements the same? 1) we all hate it 2) more people hate it than love it Out of Everyone I know in the game, upwards of 1000 people (I’m in a line chat with my alliance’s family of alliances) the vast majority dislike it. Using that sample of variously rated players. Some with 4-40s some with rank 5 5*. The largely vast majority hate it. Meaning that to me, it is a fact that more hate it than love it. Stating as a FACT that more people dislike it than like it is just wrong mate. It is your point of view, not mine or others at all. Plus I have already explained that we all look for people who share our opinions, it is a common thing to do. It doesnt make it a fact in any way, it just means you say it is! Doesn't make the opinion the right one Out of the 500+ people I know in game I would say the split is: 30% hate it 20% like it 50% wait to see what happens Does that make my opinion now a fact?
BitterSteel wrote: » Hubris_hater wrote: » BitterSteel wrote: » Hubris_hater wrote: » BitterSteel wrote: » You don’t know that kabam won’t change it. You are saying something with absolute certainty that you couldn’t possibly know. You’re either assuming or lying. Again, I’ll mention the arena update that kabam didn’t do because of a week of complaints on forum. Your correct mate, I dont know, its just my opinion. But I am pretty certain about this one, and you are as well really arent you? Plus every post you post yourself (the same as we all do) you state it as if it is fact, when its just your opinion, You keep saying this is a bad change, that we all dont like it or want it, that it will have a bad affect on the game for us etc. These are your opinions, not facts Point to where I said that we all hate it. Or that it will affect the game negatively. You said, just 2 posts above:Well it's a fact that more people hate the idea than like or love it You even said it was a fact, when it clearly isnt, it is your opinion only Since when are these two statements the same? 1) we all hate it 2) more people hate it than love it Out of Everyone I know in the game, upwards of 1000 people (I’m in a line chat with my alliance’s family of alliances) the vast majority dislike it. Using that sample of variously rated players. Some with 4-40s some with rank 5 5*. The largely vast majority hate it. Meaning that to me, it is a fact that more hate it than love it.
Hubris_hater wrote: » BitterSteel wrote: » Hubris_hater wrote: » BitterSteel wrote: » You don’t know that kabam won’t change it. You are saying something with absolute certainty that you couldn’t possibly know. You’re either assuming or lying. Again, I’ll mention the arena update that kabam didn’t do because of a week of complaints on forum. Your correct mate, I dont know, its just my opinion. But I am pretty certain about this one, and you are as well really arent you? Plus every post you post yourself (the same as we all do) you state it as if it is fact, when its just your opinion, You keep saying this is a bad change, that we all dont like it or want it, that it will have a bad affect on the game for us etc. These are your opinions, not facts Point to where I said that we all hate it. Or that it will affect the game negatively. You said, just 2 posts above:Well it's a fact that more people hate the idea than like or love it You even said it was a fact, when it clearly isnt, it is your opinion only
BitterSteel wrote: » Hubris_hater wrote: » BitterSteel wrote: » You don’t know that kabam won’t change it. You are saying something with absolute certainty that you couldn’t possibly know. You’re either assuming or lying. Again, I’ll mention the arena update that kabam didn’t do because of a week of complaints on forum. Your correct mate, I dont know, its just my opinion. But I am pretty certain about this one, and you are as well really arent you? Plus every post you post yourself (the same as we all do) you state it as if it is fact, when its just your opinion, You keep saying this is a bad change, that we all dont like it or want it, that it will have a bad affect on the game for us etc. These are your opinions, not facts Point to where I said that we all hate it. Or that it will affect the game negatively.
Hubris_hater wrote: » BitterSteel wrote: » You don’t know that kabam won’t change it. You are saying something with absolute certainty that you couldn’t possibly know. You’re either assuming or lying. Again, I’ll mention the arena update that kabam didn’t do because of a week of complaints on forum. Your correct mate, I dont know, its just my opinion. But I am pretty certain about this one, and you are as well really arent you? Plus every post you post yourself (the same as we all do) you state it as if it is fact, when its just your opinion, You keep saying this is a bad change, that we all dont like it or want it, that it will have a bad affect on the game for us etc. These are your opinions, not facts
BitterSteel wrote: » You don’t know that kabam won’t change it. You are saying something with absolute certainty that you couldn’t possibly know. You’re either assuming or lying. Again, I’ll mention the arena update that kabam didn’t do because of a week of complaints on forum.
Mmx1991 wrote: » You judge a champ by pushing it to it's max. IE. Hard content. Any champ can be effective in map 2 or Tier 18. Test it out in hard content and you'll find out who comes ahead. This isn't a debate, it's fact.
Anonymous wrote: » There's nothing positive about this new crystal. A 4% chance at someone you might want doesn't compare to roughly 20 to 25% chance. Where is the reason to spend 15k? You don't have anything special for me or many others that I associate with. Just my opinion, not bashing anyone else's opinion. I'm also a tier 1 player, so maybe it's just my level.
DNA3000 wrote: » Anonymous wrote: » There's nothing positive about this new crystal. A 4% chance at someone you might want doesn't compare to roughly 20 to 25% chance. Where is the reason to spend 15k? You don't have anything special for me or many others that I associate with. Just my opinion, not bashing anyone else's opinion. I'm also a tier 1 player, so maybe it's just my level. For me personally, I would have to agree with you on the contents of the first announced crystal. But that was also true for the majority of featured 5* crystals as well. I wasn't going to spend 15k on King Groot or Carnage or Vulture. The question is whether the crystal structure has anything to offer in theory, depending on what the future contents hold. The current 5* featured is not a 20% chance to get someone I want. It is *sometimes* a 20% chance to get someone I want, and most of the time someone I don't want, or at least don't want to spend the extra shards to get. For the new crystal to have the same chance to pull a desirable 5* champion than the current one approximately has, five out of the twenty four champions have to be "sufficiently desirable" whatever that means for any particular player. Looking back at the release schedule we have had strings of six 5* champions that had several good pulls, the set that had Rogue, Ghost Rider, and Voodoo had three of six, and the set with Hyperion and Gwenpool had two good ones and two decent (Hood, Dormammu). The set added to basic in December contained Iceman, AA, Psylocke, Angela, King Groot, and Nebula. Its a set with two top tier champions and no real complete duds. Rotating the crystals faster, every month instead of every three months, increases the likelihood that a rolling sequence of six featured champions contains several top tier or near top tier options, and also at least a few strong desirable basic champions to make the odds of pulling a strong champion higher than the current featured crystal. I don't need every new featured crystal to be packed with highly desirable 5* champions (for me). That's not true with the current crystal now. I'd just like the odds of a few of them out of an entire year happening to land in the general area of my bullseye to be reasonably good. That's the real problem with judging these crystals for me. I can't judge their true value without knowing what the contents are or will likely be. And the first one could simply be bad luck. The first one has a slightly higher chance to avoid duds, so if that's what you're after it might be interesting. If you're looking for something with the same value as a highly desirable featured 5* crystal, I don't think it gets there. It could, depending on how the new 5* featured champions line up in the calendar and what the curated basic champions look like in future crystals. But if there's only going to be four versions in the entire year, I'm skeptical people will find what they want value-wise in an entire year of featured crystals. That's probably not a good idea. On top of everything else, it gives you fewer options to adjust things if the players reacts badly to them across the entire playerbase.
LocoMotives wrote: » This thread is a trainwreck
BaccaBossMC wrote: » We hit 45 pages of complaints about this moronic change, and yet nothing from the overlords. What does it take to get it through the thick skulls above that we don't like this change, we don't want this change, and we never asked for this change.
RedRooster wrote: » @DNA3000 Your post about data mining is exactly why I've said some sampling bias is not necessarily bad. Because it depends on your objective. Looking at new account or low skill account data is not really going to garner you useful information on "effectiveness".
DNA3000 wrote: » RedRooster wrote: » @DNA3000 Your post about data mining is exactly why I've said some sampling bias is not necessarily bad. Because it depends on your objective. Looking at new account or low skill account data is not really going to garner you useful information on "effectiveness". 1. Sampling bias is always bad unless it is controlled. If you don't know in what specific way you're skewed, your conclusions can't be justified, even if the skew direction was intentional. 2. As I mentioned before, you're talking about "effectiveness" to mean "potential" whereas game developers almost certainly do not.
