It’s always lower progression that gets everything like “there’s going to be a lot of thronebreaker running around with rank 3s”. What about valiants? There will always be a new act for anyone below valiant to explore, so why do they get the good stuff in the events like banquet. They can always just push the next act to get the same rewards, but valiants can’t. Would it really be that hard to make something exclusive for valiants during event? For example, you could have a banquet crystal exclusive to valiants. This would make it to where valiants would get good rewards without making tb or paragons progress to quickly. Valiants have put in the most time and effort into the game, and it feels like Kabam doesn’t value that. I was thrilled to reach valiant a while back until I realized I get the same stuff at paragon, and there wasn’t any point to push. Please fix this Kabam. Would it really kill you to give valiants good rewards instead of tb rewards?
Man, you just became Valiant, calm down..
Wait... did they become valiant with the banquet rewards and materials? Lol, that's even better. So the "TB" rewards made them valiant lol goodness these forums are something else.
Probably in November, so before the Banquet, but still... There are so many Valiants since last December, but they never complain so much...
I didn’t become valiant because of any banquet event. I explored act 9.
As someone who has been Valiant for a while and been playing since 2017 I can confirm that newer players get stuff way too easy now. I started another account out of boredom and got 3 5* out of the gate without even finishing act 1. That being said this sort of thing happens with games that have been out for a long time and doesn't bother me, I'm not really interested on how other players progress, but OP it's right, it would be nice to see an exclusive crystal or something for the highest level players. Mostly because I love free stuff
I don’t care as much what other people get. I care about why I get bad stuff while they get good stuff. Don’t get me wrong I don’t think the good stuff should be take from them, but I also think valiants should get good stuff.
As someone who just became Valiant, this is one of the only events in the game whose rewards are not progression based. Paragon rewards are so much less in comparison and TB rewards are even more of a pittance. Let Banquet be the exception. It always has been the great equalizer, during the holidays, where spending gets you the rewards you want. As I remind my kids, other people getting stuff does not hurt you. At the end of the event, non-Valiants will have a few stronger champs, but they'll still have **** rewards the rest of the year.
Name one valiant exclusive event, and if the rewards were really what valiants needed. Non valiants getting good rewards isn’t the point. It’s valiants getting bad rewards that are good rewards for non valiants. It doesn’t feel right that they treat tb and paragons as kings while treating valiants as trash.
If you want me to, I will on your behalf petition Kabam to reset your account to TB permanently. I'm serious. Just say the word.
Please don’t do that. I didn’t even realize you had the power to lol
I don’t care if tb gets good stuff. I just care why valiants don’t.
I thought people will ignore the thread as it was made in bad faith. It looks more like a call for attention. I am The Valiant. There was already a more elaborate thread on this by that cmm simping guy, there was absolutely no need to make this one.
I forgot about the other thread, and I’m not just trying to get attention.
As someone who just became Valiant, this is one of the only events in the game whose rewards are not progression based. Paragon rewards are so much less in comparison and TB rewards are even more of a pittance. Let Banquet be the exception. It always has been the great equalizer, during the holidays, where spending gets you the rewards you want. As I remind my kids, other people getting stuff does not hurt you. At the end of the event, non-Valiants will have a few stronger champs, but they'll still have **** rewards the rest of the year.
Name one valiant exclusive event, and if the rewards were really what valiants needed. Non valiants getting good rewards isn’t the point. It’s valiants getting bad rewards that are good rewards for non valiants. It doesn’t feel right that they treat tb and paragons as kings while treating valiants as trash.
If you want me to, I will on your behalf petition Kabam to reset your account to TB permanently. I'm serious. Just say the word.
Please don’t do that. I didn’t even realize you had the power to lol
I don’t care if tb gets good stuff. I just care why valiants don’t.
So are you now saying it is better to be Valiant than TB? Even though TBs are treated like Kings and Valiants are treated horribly?
You asked why Kabam doesn’t make things that only Valiants can get. Off the top of my head here are the things only Valiants have access to:
Valiant monthly EQ difficulty and rewards Season of Suffering Valiant objectives and milestone rewards Valiant Daily Crystal (webstore) Valiant Super Daily Event rewards Valiant tier pricing and offers in in-game stores (i.e. Traders Output, Glory store, etc) Refined XP and progression beyond level 60
One thing didn’t have a Valiant-specific reward, and it was a spending event that focuses on spending, not progression. It would have been nice for the rewards to be more progression-sensitive, but that doesn’t suddenly make Valiant players a neglected class of players.
I know this is long, so long story shot: Why do valiants but in the most time and effort into the game and yet still get the rewards throne breakers are getting? Would it really kill Kabam to make a reward locked behind the valiant progression? For example, a crystal only valiants can get for banquet.
I don't understand why you all think this way. Isn't just that TB is getting Valiant rewards? T6 mats are Valiant rewards. 7* sigs and AGs are Valiant rewards.
But more than anything, what is this obsession with what others are getting/doing in the game? Shouldn't you just worry about your account? Why does what others get for their accounts matter or affect you?
Because I put in the work for it and I get the same stuff as someone who didn’t. How is that in any way fair?
So ask yourself this... If something is available for TB to Valiant, did the TB's not put in work for their account? Did the Paragons not put work in for their accounts to reach that title? If the content or offer is for multiple progressions, then they put in the work to reach that title and that offer.
You aren't the only one who "put in work". You aren't special. Valiant isn't a title that only a few have. There are people reaching it within a month or less.
As someone who just became Valiant, this is one of the only events in the game whose rewards are not progression based. Paragon rewards are so much less in comparison and TB rewards are even more of a pittance. Let Banquet be the exception. It always has been the great equalizer, during the holidays, where spending gets you the rewards you want. As I remind my kids, other people getting stuff does not hurt you. At the end of the event, non-Valiants will have a few stronger champs, but they'll still have **** rewards the rest of the year.
Name one valiant exclusive event, and if the rewards were really what valiants needed. Non valiants getting good rewards isn’t the point. It’s valiants getting bad rewards that are good rewards for non valiants. It doesn’t feel right that they treat tb and paragons as kings while treating valiants as trash.
If you want me to, I will on your behalf petition Kabam to reset your account to TB permanently. I'm serious. Just say the word.
Please don’t do that. I didn’t even realize you had the power to lol
I don’t care if tb gets good stuff. I just care why valiants don’t.
What good stuff aren't you getting as a Valiant? What is it you think you're missing?
As someone who just became Valiant, this is one of the only events in the game whose rewards are not progression based. Paragon rewards are so much less in comparison and TB rewards are even more of a pittance. Let Banquet be the exception. It always has been the great equalizer, during the holidays, where spending gets you the rewards you want. As I remind my kids, other people getting stuff does not hurt you. At the end of the event, non-Valiants will have a few stronger champs, but they'll still have **** rewards the rest of the year.
Name one valiant exclusive event, and if the rewards were really what valiants needed. Non valiants getting good rewards isn’t the point. It’s valiants getting bad rewards that are good rewards for non valiants. It doesn’t feel right that they treat tb and paragons as kings while treating valiants as trash.
If you want me to, I will on your behalf petition Kabam to reset your account to TB permanently. I'm serious. Just say the word.
Please don’t do that. I didn’t even realize you had the power to lol
I don’t care if tb gets good stuff. I just care why valiants don’t.
What good stuff aren't you getting as a Valiant? What is it you think you're missing?
I know this is long, so long story shot: Why do valiants but in the most time and effort into the game and yet still get the rewards throne breakers are getting? Would it really kill Kabam to make a reward locked behind the valiant progression? For example, a crystal only valiants can get for banquet.
I don't understand why you all think this way. Isn't just that TB is getting Valiant rewards? T6 mats are Valiant rewards. 7* sigs and AGs are Valiant rewards.
But more than anything, what is this obsession with what others are getting/doing in the game? Shouldn't you just worry about your account? Why does what others get for their accounts matter or affect you?
Because I put in the work for it and I get the same stuff as someone who didn’t. How is that in any way fair?
So ask yourself this... If something is available for TB to Valiant, did the TB's not put in work for their account? Did the Paragons not put work in for their accounts to reach that title? If the content or offer is for multiple progressions, then they put in the work to reach that title and that offer.
You aren't the only one who "put in work". You aren't special. Valiant isn't a title that only a few have. There are people reaching it within a month or less.
I didn’t say that tb and paragon don’t put in work. I’m saying that it takes more work to reach valiant than other titles.
As someone who just became Valiant, this is one of the only events in the game whose rewards are not progression based. Paragon rewards are so much less in comparison and TB rewards are even more of a pittance. Let Banquet be the exception. It always has been the great equalizer, during the holidays, where spending gets you the rewards you want. As I remind my kids, other people getting stuff does not hurt you. At the end of the event, non-Valiants will have a few stronger champs, but they'll still have **** rewards the rest of the year.
Name one valiant exclusive event, and if the rewards were really what valiants needed. Non valiants getting good rewards isn’t the point. It’s valiants getting bad rewards that are good rewards for non valiants. It doesn’t feel right that they treat tb and paragons as kings while treating valiants as trash.
If you want me to, I will on your behalf petition Kabam to reset your account to TB permanently. I'm serious. Just say the word.
Please don’t do that. I didn’t even realize you had the power to lol
I don’t care if tb gets good stuff. I just care why valiants don’t.
What good stuff aren't you getting as a Valiant? What is it you think you're missing?
T4a
And how exactly aren't you getting T4A? And how exactly are TBs taking it from you? YOU as a Valiant, have access to T4A in the glory store. YOU get an extra objective for Spring, Summer, Autumn and Winter of Agony quests.
I know this is long, so long story shot: Why do valiants but in the most time and effort into the game and yet still get the rewards throne breakers are getting? Would it really kill Kabam to make a reward locked behind the valiant progression? For example, a crystal only valiants can get for banquet.
I don't understand why you all think this way. Isn't just that TB is getting Valiant rewards? T6 mats are Valiant rewards. 7* sigs and AGs are Valiant rewards.
But more than anything, what is this obsession with what others are getting/doing in the game? Shouldn't you just worry about your account? Why does what others get for their accounts matter or affect you?
Because I put in the work for it and I get the same stuff as someone who didn’t. How is that in any way fair?
So ask yourself this... If something is available for TB to Valiant, did the TB's not put in work for their account? Did the Paragons not put work in for their accounts to reach that title? If the content or offer is for multiple progressions, then they put in the work to reach that title and that offer.
You aren't the only one who "put in work". You aren't special. Valiant isn't a title that only a few have. There are people reaching it within a month or less.
I didn’t say that tb and paragon don’t put in work. I’m saying that it takes more work to reach valiant than other titles.
Like barely any at all. 6 paths in Story mode and having 2 champs at rank 3. Wow. Does your back hurt from all that extra work you did? Did you need to soak your feet? Man, that's a ton of extra work.
As someone who just became Valiant, this is one of the only events in the game whose rewards are not progression based. Paragon rewards are so much less in comparison and TB rewards are even more of a pittance. Let Banquet be the exception. It always has been the great equalizer, during the holidays, where spending gets you the rewards you want. As I remind my kids, other people getting stuff does not hurt you. At the end of the event, non-Valiants will have a few stronger champs, but they'll still have **** rewards the rest of the year.
Name one valiant exclusive event, and if the rewards were really what valiants needed. Non valiants getting good rewards isn’t the point. It’s valiants getting bad rewards that are good rewards for non valiants. It doesn’t feel right that they treat tb and paragons as kings while treating valiants as trash.
If you want me to, I will on your behalf petition Kabam to reset your account to TB permanently. I'm serious. Just say the word.
Please don’t do that. I didn’t even realize you had the power to lol
I don’t care if tb gets good stuff. I just care why valiants don’t.
What good stuff aren't you getting as a Valiant? What is it you think you're missing?
T4a
And how exactly aren't you getting T4A? And how exactly are TBs taking it from you? YOU as a Valiant, have access to T4A in the glory store. YOU get an extra objective for Spring, Summer, Autumn and Winter of Agony quests.
They’re not taking anything from me. Sure I can get t4a from the glory store, but what about special events like banquet?
I know this is long, so long story shot: Why do valiants but in the most time and effort into the game and yet still get the rewards throne breakers are getting? Would it really kill Kabam to make a reward locked behind the valiant progression? For example, a crystal only valiants can get for banquet.
I don't understand why you all think this way. Isn't just that TB is getting Valiant rewards? T6 mats are Valiant rewards. 7* sigs and AGs are Valiant rewards.
But more than anything, what is this obsession with what others are getting/doing in the game? Shouldn't you just worry about your account? Why does what others get for their accounts matter or affect you?
Because I put in the work for it and I get the same stuff as someone who didn’t. How is that in any way fair?
So ask yourself this... If something is available for TB to Valiant, did the TB's not put in work for their account? Did the Paragons not put work in for their accounts to reach that title? If the content or offer is for multiple progressions, then they put in the work to reach that title and that offer.
You aren't the only one who "put in work". You aren't special. Valiant isn't a title that only a few have. There are people reaching it within a month or less.
I didn’t say that tb and paragon don’t put in work. I’m saying that it takes more work to reach valiant than other titles.
Like barely any at all. 6 paths in Story mode and having 2 champs at rank 3. Wow. Does your back hurt from all that extra work you did? Did you need to soak your feet? Man, that's a ton of extra work.
Are you valiant? It takes exploring act 9(12 extra paths) and sometimes completing necro. Some people don’t have a lot of time, and it’s not easy for them to do all that.
As someone who just became Valiant, this is one of the only events in the game whose rewards are not progression based. Paragon rewards are so much less in comparison and TB rewards are even more of a pittance. Let Banquet be the exception. It always has been the great equalizer, during the holidays, where spending gets you the rewards you want. As I remind my kids, other people getting stuff does not hurt you. At the end of the event, non-Valiants will have a few stronger champs, but they'll still have **** rewards the rest of the year.
Name one valiant exclusive event, and if the rewards were really what valiants needed. Non valiants getting good rewards isn’t the point. It’s valiants getting bad rewards that are good rewards for non valiants. It doesn’t feel right that they treat tb and paragons as kings while treating valiants as trash.
If you want me to, I will on your behalf petition Kabam to reset your account to TB permanently. I'm serious. Just say the word.
Please don’t do that. I didn’t even realize you had the power to lol
I don’t care if tb gets good stuff. I just care why valiants don’t.
What good stuff aren't you getting as a Valiant? What is it you think you're missing?
T4a
And how exactly aren't you getting T4A? And how exactly are TBs taking it from you? YOU as a Valiant, have access to T4A in the glory store. YOU get an extra objective for Spring, Summer, Autumn and Winter of Agony quests.
They’re not taking anything from me. Sure I can get t4a from the glory store, but what about special events like banquet?
This isn't you? This isn't you saying you don't get the good stuff but TB does?
I know this is long, so long story shot: Why do valiants but in the most time and effort into the game and yet still get the rewards throne breakers are getting? Would it really kill Kabam to make a reward locked behind the valiant progression? For example, a crystal only valiants can get for banquet.
I don't understand why you all think this way. Isn't just that TB is getting Valiant rewards? T6 mats are Valiant rewards. 7* sigs and AGs are Valiant rewards.
But more than anything, what is this obsession with what others are getting/doing in the game? Shouldn't you just worry about your account? Why does what others get for their accounts matter or affect you?
Because I put in the work for it and I get the same stuff as someone who didn’t. How is that in any way fair?
So ask yourself this... If something is available for TB to Valiant, did the TB's not put in work for their account? Did the Paragons not put work in for their accounts to reach that title? If the content or offer is for multiple progressions, then they put in the work to reach that title and that offer.
You aren't the only one who "put in work". You aren't special. Valiant isn't a title that only a few have. There are people reaching it within a month or less.
I didn’t say that tb and paragon don’t put in work. I’m saying that it takes more work to reach valiant than other titles.
Like barely any at all. 6 paths in Story mode and having 2 champs at rank 3. Wow. Does your back hurt from all that extra work you did? Did you need to soak your feet? Man, that's a ton of extra work.
Are you valiant? It takes exploring act 9(12 extra paths) and sometimes completing necro. Some people don’t have a lot of time, and it’s not easy for them to do all that.
You can get T4A from the Agony events.... There are TBs with R3's right now. Some of them have asked if you can skip Paragon altogether.
Are you sure you're Valiant? Because you only have to complete through 8.3. Act 9 has nothing to do with being Valiant.
Technically valiants are getting the same stuff as tb, but it doesn’t feel like it since the rewards are a lot better for tb than for valiant. It used to be a lot harder to reach valiant than it is now.
As someone who just became Valiant, this is one of the only events in the game whose rewards are not progression based. Paragon rewards are so much less in comparison and TB rewards are even more of a pittance. Let Banquet be the exception. It always has been the great equalizer, during the holidays, where spending gets you the rewards you want. As I remind my kids, other people getting stuff does not hurt you. At the end of the event, non-Valiants will have a few stronger champs, but they'll still have **** rewards the rest of the year.
Name one valiant exclusive event, and if the rewards were really what valiants needed. Non valiants getting good rewards isn’t the point. It’s valiants getting bad rewards that are good rewards for non valiants. It doesn’t feel right that they treat tb and paragons as kings while treating valiants as trash.
If you want me to, I will on your behalf petition Kabam to reset your account to TB permanently. I'm serious. Just say the word.
Please don’t do that. I didn’t even realize you had the power to lol
I don’t care if tb gets good stuff. I just care why valiants don’t.
So are you now saying it is better to be Valiant than TB? Even though TBs are treated like Kings and Valiants are treated horribly?
You asked why Kabam doesn’t make things that only Valiants can get. Off the top of my head here are the things only Valiants have access to:
Valiant monthly EQ difficulty and rewards Season of Suffering Valiant objectives and milestone rewards Valiant Daily Crystal (webstore) Valiant Super Daily Event rewards Valiant tier pricing and offers in in-game stores (i.e. Traders Output, Glory store, etc) Refined XP and progression beyond level 60
One thing didn’t have a Valiant-specific reward, and it was a spending event that focuses on spending, not progression. It would have been nice for the rewards to be more progression-sensitive, but that doesn’t suddenly make Valiant players a neglected class of players.
There are some stuff that valiants get that everyone else doesn’t, however it feels like the benefits you get for reaching paragon and tb are a lot better(during that state of the game) than for valiant.
I feel like at tb I was able to progress my account faster(to a point) than valiant. I’m not saying that the tb rewards will be helpful now, but when I was tb they felt really good. I hope that makes sense.
As someone who just became Valiant, this is one of the only events in the game whose rewards are not progression based. Paragon rewards are so much less in comparison and TB rewards are even more of a pittance. Let Banquet be the exception. It always has been the great equalizer, during the holidays, where spending gets you the rewards you want. As I remind my kids, other people getting stuff does not hurt you. At the end of the event, non-Valiants will have a few stronger champs, but they'll still have **** rewards the rest of the year.
Name one valiant exclusive event, and if the rewards were really what valiants needed. Non valiants getting good rewards isn’t the point. It’s valiants getting bad rewards that are good rewards for non valiants. It doesn’t feel right that they treat tb and paragons as kings while treating valiants as trash.
If you want me to, I will on your behalf petition Kabam to reset your account to TB permanently. I'm serious. Just say the word.
Please don’t do that. I didn’t even realize you had the power to lol
I don’t care if tb gets good stuff. I just care why valiants don’t.
What good stuff aren't you getting as a Valiant? What is it you think you're missing?
T4a
And how exactly aren't you getting T4A? And how exactly are TBs taking it from you? YOU as a Valiant, have access to T4A in the glory store. YOU get an extra objective for Spring, Summer, Autumn and Winter of Agony quests.
They’re not taking anything from me. Sure I can get t4a from the glory store, but what about special events like banquet?
This isn't you? This isn't you saying you don't get the good stuff but TB does?
I know this is long, so long story shot: Why do valiants but in the most time and effort into the game and yet still get the rewards throne breakers are getting? Would it really kill Kabam to make a reward locked behind the valiant progression? For example, a crystal only valiants can get for banquet.
I don't understand why you all think this way. Isn't just that TB is getting Valiant rewards? T6 mats are Valiant rewards. 7* sigs and AGs are Valiant rewards.
But more than anything, what is this obsession with what others are getting/doing in the game? Shouldn't you just worry about your account? Why does what others get for their accounts matter or affect you?
Because I put in the work for it and I get the same stuff as someone who didn’t. How is that in any way fair?
So ask yourself this... If something is available for TB to Valiant, did the TB's not put in work for their account? Did the Paragons not put work in for their accounts to reach that title? If the content or offer is for multiple progressions, then they put in the work to reach that title and that offer.
You aren't the only one who "put in work". You aren't special. Valiant isn't a title that only a few have. There are people reaching it within a month or less.
I didn’t say that tb and paragon don’t put in work. I’m saying that it takes more work to reach valiant than other titles.
Like barely any at all. 6 paths in Story mode and having 2 champs at rank 3. Wow. Does your back hurt from all that extra work you did? Did you need to soak your feet? Man, that's a ton of extra work.
Are you valiant? It takes exploring act 9(12 extra paths) and sometimes completing necro. Some people don’t have a lot of time, and it’s not easy for them to do all that.
You can get T4A from the Agony events.... There are TBs with R3's right now. Some of them have asked if you can skip Paragon altogether.
Are you sure you're Valiant? Because you only have to complete through 8.3. Act 9 has nothing to do with being Valiant.
Technically valiants are getting the same stuff as tb, but it doesn’t feel like it since the rewards are a lot better for tb than for valiant. It used to be a lot harder to reach valiant than it is now.
No.... TB is getting the same as Valiants for banquet. Paragons are also getting the same and TB and Valiants.
The only time it was "a lot harder" was when the title released and that lasted like a few hours.
As someone who just became Valiant, this is one of the only events in the game whose rewards are not progression based. Paragon rewards are so much less in comparison and TB rewards are even more of a pittance. Let Banquet be the exception. It always has been the great equalizer, during the holidays, where spending gets you the rewards you want. As I remind my kids, other people getting stuff does not hurt you. At the end of the event, non-Valiants will have a few stronger champs, but they'll still have **** rewards the rest of the year.
Name one valiant exclusive event, and if the rewards were really what valiants needed. Non valiants getting good rewards isn’t the point. It’s valiants getting bad rewards that are good rewards for non valiants. It doesn’t feel right that they treat tb and paragons as kings while treating valiants as trash.
If you want me to, I will on your behalf petition Kabam to reset your account to TB permanently. I'm serious. Just say the word.
Please don’t do that. I didn’t even realize you had the power to lol
I don’t care if tb gets good stuff. I just care why valiants don’t.
What good stuff aren't you getting as a Valiant? What is it you think you're missing?
T4a
And how exactly aren't you getting T4A? And how exactly are TBs taking it from you? YOU as a Valiant, have access to T4A in the glory store. YOU get an extra objective for Spring, Summer, Autumn and Winter of Agony quests.
They’re not taking anything from me. Sure I can get t4a from the glory store, but what about special events like banquet?
This isn't you? This isn't you saying you don't get the good stuff but TB does?
I know this is long, so long story shot: Why do valiants but in the most time and effort into the game and yet still get the rewards throne breakers are getting? Would it really kill Kabam to make a reward locked behind the valiant progression? For example, a crystal only valiants can get for banquet.
I don't understand why you all think this way. Isn't just that TB is getting Valiant rewards? T6 mats are Valiant rewards. 7* sigs and AGs are Valiant rewards.
But more than anything, what is this obsession with what others are getting/doing in the game? Shouldn't you just worry about your account? Why does what others get for their accounts matter or affect you?
Because I put in the work for it and I get the same stuff as someone who didn’t. How is that in any way fair?
So ask yourself this... If something is available for TB to Valiant, did the TB's not put in work for their account? Did the Paragons not put work in for their accounts to reach that title? If the content or offer is for multiple progressions, then they put in the work to reach that title and that offer.
You aren't the only one who "put in work". You aren't special. Valiant isn't a title that only a few have. There are people reaching it within a month or less.
I didn’t say that tb and paragon don’t put in work. I’m saying that it takes more work to reach valiant than other titles.
Like barely any at all. 6 paths in Story mode and having 2 champs at rank 3. Wow. Does your back hurt from all that extra work you did? Did you need to soak your feet? Man, that's a ton of extra work.
Are you valiant? It takes exploring act 9(12 extra paths) and sometimes completing necro. Some people don’t have a lot of time, and it’s not easy for them to do all that.
You can get T4A from the Agony events.... There are TBs with R3's right now. Some of them have asked if you can skip Paragon altogether.
Are you sure you're Valiant? Because you only have to complete through 8.3. Act 9 has nothing to do with being Valiant.
Technically valiants are getting the same stuff as tb, but it doesn’t feel like it since the rewards are a lot better for tb than for valiant. It used to be a lot harder to reach valiant than it is now.
No.... TB is getting the same as Valiants for banquet. Paragons are also getting the same and TB and Valiants.
The only time it was "a lot harder" was when the title released and that lasted like a few hours.
Maybe I’m doing something wrong then because when I became valiant it wasn’t easy to get the two rank 3s.
As someone who just became Valiant, this is one of the only events in the game whose rewards are not progression based. Paragon rewards are so much less in comparison and TB rewards are even more of a pittance. Let Banquet be the exception. It always has been the great equalizer, during the holidays, where spending gets you the rewards you want. As I remind my kids, other people getting stuff does not hurt you. At the end of the event, non-Valiants will have a few stronger champs, but they'll still have **** rewards the rest of the year.
Name one valiant exclusive event, and if the rewards were really what valiants needed. Non valiants getting good rewards isn’t the point. It’s valiants getting bad rewards that are good rewards for non valiants. It doesn’t feel right that they treat tb and paragons as kings while treating valiants as trash.
If you want me to, I will on your behalf petition Kabam to reset your account to TB permanently. I'm serious. Just say the word.
Please don’t do that. I didn’t even realize you had the power to lol
I don’t care if tb gets good stuff. I just care why valiants don’t.
So are you now saying it is better to be Valiant than TB? Even though TBs are treated like Kings and Valiants are treated horribly?
You asked why Kabam doesn’t make things that only Valiants can get. Off the top of my head here are the things only Valiants have access to:
Valiant monthly EQ difficulty and rewards Season of Suffering Valiant objectives and milestone rewards Valiant Daily Crystal (webstore) Valiant Super Daily Event rewards Valiant tier pricing and offers in in-game stores (i.e. Traders Output, Glory store, etc) Refined XP and progression beyond level 60
One thing didn’t have a Valiant-specific reward, and it was a spending event that focuses on spending, not progression. It would have been nice for the rewards to be more progression-sensitive, but that doesn’t suddenly make Valiant players a neglected class of players.
There are some stuff that valiants get that everyone else doesn’t, however it feels like the benefits you get for reaching paragon and tb are a lot better(during that state of the game) than for valiant.
I feel like at tb I was able to progress my account faster(to a point) than valiant. I’m not saying that the tb rewards will be helpful now, but when I was tb they felt really good. I hope that makes sense.
Probably because when you reached TB it wasn’t the highest progression tier in the game.
The short version is that the game let’s lower progression players advance more quickly than higher ones, because it has to slow down players as they approach whatever the highest progression tiers is, or players will run out of things to do.
And whatever the highest tier in the game is at any particular time is extra special, for the obvious reason that there is no higher tier. Every progression tier except the top one gets two kinds of rewards, what I call horizontal rewards and vertical rewards. Horizontal rewards help build accounts outward, giving you more of what you already have. Vertical rewards help build accounts upward, moving you closer to the next higher progression tier. The highest progression tiers has no upward direction to go. There are no rewards Valiants can get that will be as game changing to them as vertical progression-significant ones will be to any other progression tier, because at the moment they can’t move up.
The Valiants in the game all have one thing in common: compared to the average player of the game, they are the fastest progressing players by a significant margin. They are the players that least need help growing their accounts, and the players most likely to break the game for everyone else by going nuts with rewards.
One day there’s going to be another progression tier, and another, and another, and another. One day there’s going to be 8* champs, then 9* champs, then 10* champs. It is the fastest players in the game that ultimately dictate this. The faster we let them run amok, the faster things become obsolete and the faster the devs have to extend the progression ties of the game. And the faster that happens, the harder it becomes for everyone else to keep up. So that has to be managed carefully.
As someone who just became Valiant, this is one of the only events in the game whose rewards are not progression based. Paragon rewards are so much less in comparison and TB rewards are even more of a pittance. Let Banquet be the exception. It always has been the great equalizer, during the holidays, where spending gets you the rewards you want. As I remind my kids, other people getting stuff does not hurt you. At the end of the event, non-Valiants will have a few stronger champs, but they'll still have **** rewards the rest of the year.
Name one valiant exclusive event, and if the rewards were really what valiants needed. Non valiants getting good rewards isn’t the point. It’s valiants getting bad rewards that are good rewards for non valiants. It doesn’t feel right that they treat tb and paragons as kings while treating valiants as trash.
If you want me to, I will on your behalf petition Kabam to reset your account to TB permanently. I'm serious. Just say the word.
Please don’t do that. I didn’t even realize you had the power to lol
I don’t care if tb gets good stuff. I just care why valiants don’t.
So are you now saying it is better to be Valiant than TB? Even though TBs are treated like Kings and Valiants are treated horribly?
You asked why Kabam doesn’t make things that only Valiants can get. Off the top of my head here are the things only Valiants have access to:
Valiant monthly EQ difficulty and rewards Season of Suffering Valiant objectives and milestone rewards Valiant Daily Crystal (webstore) Valiant Super Daily Event rewards Valiant tier pricing and offers in in-game stores (i.e. Traders Output, Glory store, etc) Refined XP and progression beyond level 60
One thing didn’t have a Valiant-specific reward, and it was a spending event that focuses on spending, not progression. It would have been nice for the rewards to be more progression-sensitive, but that doesn’t suddenly make Valiant players a neglected class of players.
As someone who just became Valiant, this is one of the only events in the game whose rewards are not progression based. Paragon rewards are so much less in comparison and TB rewards are even more of a pittance. Let Banquet be the exception. It always has been the great equalizer, during the holidays, where spending gets you the rewards you want. As I remind my kids, other people getting stuff does not hurt you. At the end of the event, non-Valiants will have a few stronger champs, but they'll still have **** rewards the rest of the year.
Name one valiant exclusive event, and if the rewards were really what valiants needed. Non valiants getting good rewards isn’t the point. It’s valiants getting bad rewards that are good rewards for non valiants. It doesn’t feel right that they treat tb and paragons as kings while treating valiants as trash.
If you want me to, I will on your behalf petition Kabam to reset your account to TB permanently. I'm serious. Just say the word.
Please don’t do that. I didn’t even realize you had the power to lol
I don’t care if tb gets good stuff. I just care why valiants don’t.
So are you now saying it is better to be Valiant than TB? Even though TBs are treated like Kings and Valiants are treated horribly?
You asked why Kabam doesn’t make things that only Valiants can get. Off the top of my head here are the things only Valiants have access to:
Valiant monthly EQ difficulty and rewards Season of Suffering Valiant objectives and milestone rewards Valiant Daily Crystal (webstore) Valiant Super Daily Event rewards Valiant tier pricing and offers in in-game stores (i.e. Traders Output, Glory store, etc) Refined XP and progression beyond level 60
One thing didn’t have a Valiant-specific reward, and it was a spending event that focuses on spending, not progression. It would have been nice for the rewards to be more progression-sensitive, but that doesn’t suddenly make Valiant players a neglected class of players.
Valiant monthly EQ starting when?
Technically, the Valiant monthly EQ difficulty is the Valiant objective requiring doing the Paragon Gauntlet without using choice nodes. Honestly, I prefer that way of extending the monthly difficulty over making an entire tier section that requires 1500 energy to explore. So I’m kinda hoping an actual Valiant monthly EQ map chain arrives never, or at least very long into the future. Maybe when Paragon and Valiant are middle of the road progression tiers.
As someone who just became Valiant, this is one of the only events in the game whose rewards are not progression based. Paragon rewards are so much less in comparison and TB rewards are even more of a pittance. Let Banquet be the exception. It always has been the great equalizer, during the holidays, where spending gets you the rewards you want. As I remind my kids, other people getting stuff does not hurt you. At the end of the event, non-Valiants will have a few stronger champs, but they'll still have **** rewards the rest of the year.
Name one valiant exclusive event, and if the rewards were really what valiants needed. Non valiants getting good rewards isn’t the point. It’s valiants getting bad rewards that are good rewards for non valiants. It doesn’t feel right that they treat tb and paragons as kings while treating valiants as trash.
If you want me to, I will on your behalf petition Kabam to reset your account to TB permanently. I'm serious. Just say the word.
Please don’t do that. I didn’t even realize you had the power to lol
I don’t care if tb gets good stuff. I just care why valiants don’t.
So are you now saying it is better to be Valiant than TB? Even though TBs are treated like Kings and Valiants are treated horribly?
You asked why Kabam doesn’t make things that only Valiants can get. Off the top of my head here are the things only Valiants have access to:
Valiant monthly EQ difficulty and rewards Season of Suffering Valiant objectives and milestone rewards Valiant Daily Crystal (webstore) Valiant Super Daily Event rewards Valiant tier pricing and offers in in-game stores (i.e. Traders Output, Glory store, etc) Refined XP and progression beyond level 60
One thing didn’t have a Valiant-specific reward, and it was a spending event that focuses on spending, not progression. It would have been nice for the rewards to be more progression-sensitive, but that doesn’t suddenly make Valiant players a neglected class of players.
There are some stuff that valiants get that everyone else doesn’t, however it feels like the benefits you get for reaching paragon and tb are a lot better(during that state of the game) than for valiant.
I feel like at tb I was able to progress my account faster(to a point) than valiant. I’m not saying that the tb rewards will be helpful now, but when I was tb they felt really good. I hope that makes sense.
Probably because when you reached TB it wasn’t the highest progression tier in the game.
The short version is that the game let’s lower progression players advance more quickly than higher ones, because it has to slow down players as they approach whatever the highest progression tiers is, or players will run out of things to do.
And whatever the highest tier in the game is at any particular time is extra special, for the obvious reason that there is no higher tier. Every progression tier except the top one gets two kinds of rewards, what I call horizontal rewards and vertical rewards. Horizontal rewards help build accounts outward, giving you more of what you already have. Vertical rewards help build accounts upward, moving you closer to the next higher progression tier. The highest progression tiers has no upward direction to go. There are no rewards Valiants can get that will be as game changing to them as vertical progression-significant ones will be to any other progression tier, because at the moment they can’t move up.
The Valiants in the game all have one thing in common: compared to the average player of the game, they are the fastest progressing players by a significant margin. They are the players that least need help growing their accounts, and the players most likely to break the game for everyone else by going nuts with rewards.
One day there’s going to be another progression tier, and another, and another, and another. One day there’s going to be 8* champs, then 9* champs, then 10* champs. It is the fastest players in the game that ultimately dictate this. The faster we let them run amok, the faster things become obsolete and the faster the devs have to extend the progression ties of the game. And the faster that happens, the harder it becomes for everyone else to keep up. So that has to be managed carefully.
I understand now from a game developers point of view. From a players point of view without this knowledge it seems like it’s unfair and they don’t care about valiants, but from a game developers point of view it makes perfect sense.
Thank you for explaining this, it makes a lot more sense now. I wish Kabam had addressed this early on in order to clear up some of the frustration.
As someone who just became Valiant, this is one of the only events in the game whose rewards are not progression based. Paragon rewards are so much less in comparison and TB rewards are even more of a pittance. Let Banquet be the exception. It always has been the great equalizer, during the holidays, where spending gets you the rewards you want. As I remind my kids, other people getting stuff does not hurt you. At the end of the event, non-Valiants will have a few stronger champs, but they'll still have **** rewards the rest of the year.
Name one valiant exclusive event, and if the rewards were really what valiants needed. Non valiants getting good rewards isn’t the point. It’s valiants getting bad rewards that are good rewards for non valiants. It doesn’t feel right that they treat tb and paragons as kings while treating valiants as trash.
If you want me to, I will on your behalf petition Kabam to reset your account to TB permanently. I'm serious. Just say the word.
Please don’t do that. I didn’t even realize you had the power to lol
I don’t care if tb gets good stuff. I just care why valiants don’t.
So are you now saying it is better to be Valiant than TB? Even though TBs are treated like Kings and Valiants are treated horribly?
You asked why Kabam doesn’t make things that only Valiants can get. Off the top of my head here are the things only Valiants have access to:
Valiant monthly EQ difficulty and rewards Season of Suffering Valiant objectives and milestone rewards Valiant Daily Crystal (webstore) Valiant Super Daily Event rewards Valiant tier pricing and offers in in-game stores (i.e. Traders Output, Glory store, etc) Refined XP and progression beyond level 60
One thing didn’t have a Valiant-specific reward, and it was a spending event that focuses on spending, not progression. It would have been nice for the rewards to be more progression-sensitive, but that doesn’t suddenly make Valiant players a neglected class of players.
Valiant monthly EQ starting when?
Technically, the Valiant monthly EQ difficulty is the Valiant objective requiring doing the Paragon Gauntlet without using choice nodes. Honestly, I prefer that way of extending the monthly difficulty over making an entire tier section that requires 1500 energy to explore. So I’m kinda hoping an actual Valiant monthly EQ map chain arrives never, or at least very long into the future. Maybe when Paragon and Valiant are middle of the road progression tiers.
I think we’ll get a valiant difficulty eq when the new tier of progression gets released.
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I don’t care if tb gets good stuff. I just care why valiants don’t.
You asked why Kabam doesn’t make things that only Valiants can get. Off the top of my head here are the things only Valiants have access to:
Valiant monthly EQ difficulty and rewards
Season of Suffering Valiant objectives and milestone rewards
Valiant Daily Crystal (webstore)
Valiant Super Daily Event rewards
Valiant tier pricing and offers in in-game stores (i.e. Traders Output, Glory store, etc)
Refined XP and progression beyond level 60
One thing didn’t have a Valiant-specific reward, and it was a spending event that focuses on spending, not progression. It would have been nice for the rewards to be more progression-sensitive, but that doesn’t suddenly make Valiant players a neglected class of players.
You aren't the only one who "put in work". You aren't special. Valiant isn't a title that only a few have. There are people reaching it within a month or less.
I feel like at tb I was able to progress my account faster(to a point) than valiant. I’m not saying that the tb rewards will be helpful now, but when I was tb they felt really good. I hope that makes sense.
The only time it was "a lot harder" was when the title released and that lasted like a few hours.
The short version is that the game let’s lower progression players advance more quickly than higher ones, because it has to slow down players as they approach whatever the highest progression tiers is, or players will run out of things to do.
And whatever the highest tier in the game is at any particular time is extra special, for the obvious reason that there is no higher tier. Every progression tier except the top one gets two kinds of rewards, what I call horizontal rewards and vertical rewards. Horizontal rewards help build accounts outward, giving you more of what you already have. Vertical rewards help build accounts upward, moving you closer to the next higher progression tier. The highest progression tiers has no upward direction to go. There are no rewards Valiants can get that will be as game changing to them as vertical progression-significant ones will be to any other progression tier, because at the moment they can’t move up.
The Valiants in the game all have one thing in common: compared to the average player of the game, they are the fastest progressing players by a significant margin. They are the players that least need help growing their accounts, and the players most likely to break the game for everyone else by going nuts with rewards.
One day there’s going to be another progression tier, and another, and another, and another. One day there’s going to be 8* champs, then 9* champs, then 10* champs. It is the fastest players in the game that ultimately dictate this. The faster we let them run amok, the faster things become obsolete and the faster the devs have to extend the progression ties of the game. And the faster that happens, the harder it becomes for everyone else to keep up. So that has to be managed carefully.
Thank you for explaining this, it makes a lot more sense now. I wish Kabam had addressed this early on in order to clear up some of the frustration.
They are taking there time,
Sweet time with everything
Yup and we been saying this.
There should have been something special for valient or long time valient players.
Having 20+ r3’shas no feeling anymore