Exclusive offers for whales ?!?!

Nono_49Nono_49 Member Posts: 21
I just came back from a recent video of Lagacy showing exclusive or hidden 1000$ units bundle in the store and more ridiculously low units price offer of 10 units for t6b and t3a. I don’t question the offers but why are they hidden to us more common players and why exclusively to huge whales.
Isn’t it unfair to offer especially catalysts at such low prices and reinforce the p2w gap between summoners?
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  • BringPopcornBringPopcorn Member Posts: 6,320 ★★★★★

    It triggers at 1million points
    $18,000 equivalent.
    Why do you think general players need it?
    How many players do you think scored a million points?

    Don’t know about you but that offer would be helpful to me in doing some rank ups faster. The only problem I have with it triggering that high makes it seem like some who spent like 12k’s money isn’t worth as much as someone who spent that 18k
    Well its not, but if you can spend 12k easily 18k shouldn't be that big of a stretch... You can do it buddy!
    Exactly so what is it then…? I didn’t spend enough in their eyes so I’m not worthy to get that offer? Just a “little” more out of my wallet as you so graciously put it behind a deal they happened to not advertise no matter how close I could’ve been. Just try to break down the thought process behind it you apparently understand genuinely curious, cause at 12k I too could be dealing with item overflow
    Yes
  • SirGamesBondSirGamesBond Member Posts: 5,655 ★★★★★

    It triggers at 1million points
    $18,000 equivalent.
    Why do you think general players need it?
    How many players do you think scored a million points?

    Don’t know about you but that offer would be helpful to me in doing some rank ups faster. The only problem I have with it triggering that high makes it seem like some who spent like 12k’s money isn’t worth as much as someone who spent that 18k
    For sure it's Unlucky for you.
    Cutoffs have to start somewhere, it was 1 Million points for this.
  • SirGamesBondSirGamesBond Member Posts: 5,655 ★★★★★
    How many people scored 1M+?
    I'm just curious.
    30? 60?
  • Asher1_1Asher1_1 Member Posts: 812 ★★★
    That offers shows it doesn't have T6basic & T3alpha shortage - while whales get that offer

    Other also deserve that be it a higher price 🤷🤷 make it 30(super daily event price) that's 300% higher than the whales get (which is 10 units) 🤷🤷
  • Asher1_1Asher1_1 Member Posts: 812 ★★★

    Nono_49 said:

    I just came back from a recent video of Lagacy showing exclusive or hidden 1000$ units bundle in the store and more ridiculously low units price offer of 10 units for t6b and t3a. I don’t question the offers but why are they hidden to us more common players and why exclusively to huge whales.
    Isn’t it unfair to offer especially catalysts at such low prices and reinforce the p2w gap between summoners?

    Because mega spenders have a ton of t6cc sitting in their overflow due to the money they spent, and no way to use it without basics to go along with them.

    Why does everybody feel so bloody entitled to everything?

    Spend $20k on the game next banquet, I'm sure you'll get a similar offer so that everything in your overflow doesn't expire to.
    Because 2 factors matter for a game . How many people spend & how many active players 90% players base don't spend much 🤷 & t6b -t3a droprates were bad
  • ContestOfNoobsContestOfNoobs Member Posts: 1,900 ★★★★★
    edited January 5
    Those people can endlessly just open Odin after Odins…

    How about us in the middle that spend but nothing to crazy, I spend within means and was able to get myself got into 1% but didn’t even pull anything worthwhile, majority a lot through the website offers.

    There was only really 1 good offer the 10 sbc + key but the rest of $50 offers don’t even compare to it.

    Yall even had a $1,000 odin offer

    It would of been nice after 50k, or even 100k+ points there was reward for scoring that much or offers something to compensate scoring that much of a score

    Vs than just catering to the mega whales..
  • GroundedWisdomGroundedWisdom Member Posts: 36,723 ★★★★★
    DrZola said:

    DNA3000 said:

    DrZola said:

    In my opinion, it’s fine. But I also think it makes a mockery of all of the “sanctity of the Contest” and “preserve the balance” nonsense that gets spewed every time these big spend events occur.

    It would also be nice to know at what spend level these “VIP” deals become available.

    Dr. Zola

    It actually has everything to do with the preserve the balance nonsense.

    The crystals were designed to offer a bit more of the higher tier catalysts than you’d ordinarily expect and ordinarily are harder to get for the vast majority of players. That’s makes them more valuable for the vast majority of players who typically experience imbalances in the reverse direction: lots of lower cats but waiting for the higher ones.

    This works up to a limit, but the ultra ultra mega whales blow past those limits, and then blow past the economic limits the game itself contains to even acquire any of that stuff. This places them permanently unable to use the vast majority of those catalysts, ever. This is an extreme corner case condition that no player is ever likely to experience, except for the largest whales in the largest spending event in the game.

    Under those extreme circumstances, the only reasonable thing to do is to offer them a way to correct those imbalances that cannot be corrected in any other way by any resource management strategy. It makes perfect sense to me, and I would do exactly the same. I understand there are some people who think this goes against any idea of economic balance, but it is precisely economic balance principles I would have used myself to justify doing this if it were my decision to make.

    I would also fully expect to entertain legitimate challenges to that thought process, and I would have no problems justifying them in game economic management terms.

    I have no response for the emotional reaction and response, but that would not affect my decisions in this matter in the slightest.
    First thing that comes to mind when I read this defense: Stockholm Syndrome.

    Second thing: I think you are thoughtful, and I also think you try to be reasonable in your approach. Offering special dispensation to players who wind up with so many cats they cannot use them—presumably all adults, who have the capacity to understand the terms and conditions of the game—is understandable and defensible from a profitability perspective. I’ve played the game for a decade, and I’ve heard plenty of pieties about balance and sanctity. Ultimately, I believe money spent overrides all of that, and it’s fair to expect that to be the explicit subtext to any and all pieties expressed.

    I think you understand that, whether you admit it or not.

    Dr. Zola
    Money itself is the balancing factor. Aside from the gross inequities that life has, like starving people and families below the poverty line, money is an inherent balancing factor. That has many imbalances within the overall, but it also means that not everyone has enough money to be dangerous. Let's be honest. There are some people I'm glad don't have an infinite disposable income.
    In any case, I have a tendency to wax philosophical. The main point I'm making is the game has some semblance of balance BECAUSE not everyone has that much money to spend on the game. Some do, and they can advance their Accounts accordingly. The number of people who are spending tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars on the game is sparce in comparison to the overall.
    Balance doesn't mean equal distribution.
  • Average_DesiAverage_Desi Member Posts: 992 ★★★★
    Its funny you say they are getting it for 10 units when they had to spend 700000 units on rng crystals to get it in the first place.
  • GamerGamer Member Posts: 11,237 ★★★★★

    Hello. I'm working on a lengthy Banquet post-mortem for all of you, but I'm just going to go ahead and try to head this one off at the pass now.

    The reason the Banquet crystal was unbalanced was 100% on me. Our Live Ops team produced a perfectly balanced tuning for the crystal in which this wouldn't have been a problem. In reviewing it, I counted all T6B/T3A drops as filler, and in an effort to reduce the amount of filler I moved some of those drops to other resources. For most players this wasn't a problem. I personally put up around 100,000 points and finished ~1500th, and for me the imbalance wasn't perceptible.

    However in monitoring the event over the break, we realized players at the top were going to put up more points than we expected, and for them it was going to become a real problem. So we did something quick and dirty to help them correct the imbalance. If I could go back in time to before the event I would have thought of something else, but I'm pretty sure players wouldn't have liked the Banquet event more if it had included more T6B/T3A in the crystals.

    I personally don't see this as a fairness problem, as I can tell you the difference between my account and these accounts has nothing to do with T6B/T3A. And I don't see it as these players getting to buy T6B/T3A for 10 Units, I see them as getting to buy T6B/T3A for 750,000 Units + 10 Units, which is what somebody had to spend to unlock this offer.

    The thing is just tell us the grand banguet would be god with tier 6 stuff but basically now you telling us we wouldn’t like it what that’s none sense my feedbacks was especially told if the drop wasn’t one 10 percent it wouldn’t had ben bar but you did not only get f2p a slap one the nails but your just made me realize that while whale is great for the game never forgot this who plays who doesn’t hav the money and don’t forget this who’s drop 400 dollars ect it literally just said sorry we mes the banguet up
  • GamerGamer Member Posts: 11,237 ★★★★★

    Gamer said:

    Hello. I'm working on a lengthy Banquet post-mortem for all of you, but I'm just going to go ahead and try to head this one off at the pass now.

    The reason the Banquet crystal was unbalanced was 100% on me. Our Live Ops team produced a perfectly balanced tuning for the crystal in which this wouldn't have been a problem. In reviewing it, I counted all T6B/T3A drops as filler, and in an effort to reduce the amount of filler I moved some of those drops to other resources. For most players this wasn't a problem. I personally put up around 100,000 points and finished ~1500th, and for me the imbalance wasn't perceptible.

    However in monitoring the event over the break, we realized players at the top were going to put up more points than we expected, and for them it was going to become a real problem. So we did something quick and dirty to help them correct the imbalance. If I could go back in time to before the event I would have thought of something else, but I'm pretty sure players wouldn't have liked the Banquet event more if it had included more T6B/T3A in the crystals.

    I personally don't see this as a fairness problem, as I can tell you the difference between my account and these accounts has nothing to do with T6B/T3A. And I don't see it as these players getting to buy T6B/T3A for 10 Units, I see them as getting to buy T6B/T3A for 750,000 Units + 10 Units, which is what somebody had to spend to unlock this offer.

    The thing is just tell us the grand banguet would be god with tier 6 stuff but basically now you telling us we wouldn’t like it what that’s none sense my feedbacks was especially told if the drop wasn’t one 10 percent it wouldn’t had ben bar but you did not only get f2p a slap one the nails but your just made me realize that while whale is great for the game never forgot this who plays who doesn’t hav the money and don’t forget this who’s drop 400 dollars ect it literally just said sorry we mes the banguet up
    Want a sum up?
    The trash crystals had too much T6CC, and now the whales are short on T6B and T3A to do R2 and R3 rank ups... Oh no...
    Yes the crystal was the most trash i would had love if there had removed the 10 percent drop and made it half but kabam crashed just told me we wouldn’t had like it more I not to sure if i agree with that’s
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