Can we be really honest?

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  • ContestOfNoobsContestOfNoobs Member Posts: 2,025 ★★★★★

    Kabam should give everyone compensation except Demonzfyre 😄


    Dude has 40 disagree’s on his comment here 😂

    Yet the other day someone argued with me disagree ment nothing lol.

    Demonzfyre must have record for the lost disagree on forum, maybe they can compensate a disagree compensation for him.


    Thanks for kabam pinwheel for monitoring and watching the thread and seeing the majority of the people concerns for the game.




    Crazy how they're arguing against it as always, knowing damn well if Kabam issued comp, they're going to claim it just like everybody else 😂

    Exactly, and incursions was bugged yesterday aswel.

    Arnim early access bundle isn’t showing up on webstore aswel for today.

    If anything I’m going to call out and predict when epoch comes out something will go wrong.
  • TheUglyone123TheUglyone123 Member Posts: 180 ★★★

    Kabam should give everyone compensation except Demonzfyre 😄


    Dude has 40 disagree’s on his comment here 😂

    Yet the other day someone argued with me disagree ment nothing lol.

    Demonzfyre must have record for the lost disagree on forum, maybe they can compensate a disagree compensation for him.


    Thanks for kabam pinwheel for monitoring and watching the thread and seeing the majority of the people concerns for the game.




    Crazy how they're arguing against it as always, knowing damn well if Kabam issued comp, they're going to claim it just like everybody else 😂

    Exactly, and incursions was bugged yesterday aswel.

    Arnim early access bundle isn’t showing up on webstore aswel for today.

    If anything I’m going to call out and predict when epoch comes out something will go wrong.
    Another day…another bug. This is would be comical if wasn’t so frustrating.
  • EdisonLawEdisonLaw Member Posts: 9,303 ★★★★★
    We demand compensation for all of fhis
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  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 20,338 Guardian

    Kabam should give everyone compensation except Demonzfyre 😄


    Dude has 40 disagree’s on his comment here 😂

    Yet the other day someone argued with me disagree ment nothing lol.

    Demonzfyre must have record for the lost disagree on forum, maybe they can compensate a disagree compensation for him.


    Thanks for kabam pinwheel for monitoring and watching the thread and seeing the majority of the people concerns for the game.




    Crazy how they're arguing against it as always, knowing damn well if Kabam issued comp, they're going to claim it just like everybody else 😂
    I don't have a specific opinion on whether the accumulated issues that have plagued the game recently warrant compensation of some kind (if you put a gun to my head, I would probably say "probably yes, with caveats") but speaking only for myself and no one else, the reason why I tend to be far more conservative about compensation in general is because I see rewards in general differently than I think most players do. Most players probably see compensation packages as analogous to a teacher deliberately putting an easy question on the final exam that everyone can get correct. They see it as a net benefit, and a benefit to all players. However, having seen how the sausage is made in more than one game, I see it differently because I know the final is not graded on a scale, it is graded on a curve. Giving everyone an easy question doesn't mean everyone has a better chance of getting an A. It probably means unbeknownst to the students, all the other questions are harder than originally intended.

    A reward you give everyone is not really a reward, and while I'll certainly take them, I don't have as positive an opinion of them as most players do, because they only see the (visible) present, and not the (invisible) cost we'll all be paying to get them. It is a curious thing to wrap one's head around, that people think Kabam is "greedy" when they refuse to give us higher rewards, when in fact the only people who pay for rewards are the players. Kabam pays nothing to add a reward to the game. Players do, just in subtle (and sometimes not so subtle) ways.
  • JackTheSnackJackTheSnack Member Posts: 1,170 ★★★★
    DrZola said:

    DNA3000 said:

    Kabam should give everyone compensation except Demonzfyre 😄


    Dude has 40 disagree’s on his comment here 😂

    Yet the other day someone argued with me disagree ment nothing lol.

    Demonzfyre must have record for the lost disagree on forum, maybe they can compensate a disagree compensation for him.


    Thanks for kabam pinwheel for monitoring and watching the thread and seeing the majority of the people concerns for the game.




    Crazy how they're arguing against it as always, knowing damn well if Kabam issued comp, they're going to claim it just like everybody else 😂
    I don't have a specific opinion on whether the accumulated issues that have plagued the game recently warrant compensation of some kind (if you put a gun to my head, I would probably say "probably yes, with caveats") but speaking only for myself and no one else, the reason why I tend to be far more conservative about compensation in general is because I see rewards in general differently than I think most players do. Most players probably see compensation packages as analogous to a teacher deliberately putting an easy question on the final exam that everyone can get correct. They see it as a net benefit, and a benefit to all players. However, having seen how the sausage is made in more than one game, I see it differently because I know the final is not graded on a scale, it is graded on a curve. Giving everyone an easy question doesn't mean everyone has a better chance of getting an A. It probably means unbeknownst to the students, all the other questions are harder than originally intended.

    A reward you give everyone is not really a reward, and while I'll certainly take them, I don't have as positive an opinion of them as most players do, because they only see the (visible) present, and not the (invisible) cost we'll all be paying to get them. It is a curious thing to wrap one's head around, that people think Kabam is "greedy" when they refuse to give us higher rewards, when in fact the only people who pay for rewards are the players. Kabam pays nothing to add a reward to the game. Players do, just in subtle (and sometimes not so subtle) ways.
    Interesting analogy, and one that seems typical of dev-think.

    Using the teacher analogy, I would surmise that many players think of the scenario more like this…

    …the teacher gives a test and supplies the pencil and paper to take it—however, the pencil lead keeps breaking and the paper is thin and tears a fair bit when the students write.

    Can the students finish the test? Sure, but they are constantly getting up and running to the sharpener to “revive” their pencil lead and they have to be extra careful to avoid “inputs” more likely to tear the fragile sheets of paper.

    Because the students mostly managed to finish the test, the teacher concludes everything turned out just fine.

    Dr. Zola
    To add to this, not getting extra time on the test would be the compensation aspect. Constantly having to get up and sharpen your pencil and worry of ripping the paper being the major inconveniences. Although everyone made it through the test and all the issues are “fixed” eventually because the students finish the test, the issues during the test were never confronted later and no extra time was given to the students who may have had to rush during the test…further impacting their grades
  • JESUSCHRISTJESUSCHRIST Member Posts: 667 ★★★
    Take the recent compensation for the glorious games showcase war path

    It's insignificant compensation

    I never liked any compensation from Kabam bcos it's always insignificant

    Asking for compensation won't get you anywhere
  • JackTheSnackJackTheSnack Member Posts: 1,170 ★★★★

    Take the recent compensation for the glorious games showcase war path

    It's insignificant compensation

    I never liked any compensation from Kabam bcos it's always insignificant

    Asking for compensation won't get you anywhere

    I don’t think this is the right mentality to have. They compensated us fairly. However, now that it’s after the content when it really would have been needed they just went to the stash and will probably expire. That fight was laggy and bugged the whole length of the event. I wouldn’t say the compensation was irrelevant and insignificant, because it was…ok, but by the time it arrived, I had already spent the units to get through AOA since I burned the revives I had saved on the showcase fight since I was already at the end of the showcase and too deep in the hole
  • DNA3000DNA3000 Member, Guardian Posts: 20,338 Guardian
    DrZola said:

    DNA3000 said:

    Kabam should give everyone compensation except Demonzfyre 😄


    Dude has 40 disagree’s on his comment here 😂

    Yet the other day someone argued with me disagree ment nothing lol.

    Demonzfyre must have record for the lost disagree on forum, maybe they can compensate a disagree compensation for him.


    Thanks for kabam pinwheel for monitoring and watching the thread and seeing the majority of the people concerns for the game.




    Crazy how they're arguing against it as always, knowing damn well if Kabam issued comp, they're going to claim it just like everybody else 😂
    I don't have a specific opinion on whether the accumulated issues that have plagued the game recently warrant compensation of some kind (if you put a gun to my head, I would probably say "probably yes, with caveats") but speaking only for myself and no one else, the reason why I tend to be far more conservative about compensation in general is because I see rewards in general differently than I think most players do. Most players probably see compensation packages as analogous to a teacher deliberately putting an easy question on the final exam that everyone can get correct. They see it as a net benefit, and a benefit to all players. However, having seen how the sausage is made in more than one game, I see it differently because I know the final is not graded on a scale, it is graded on a curve. Giving everyone an easy question doesn't mean everyone has a better chance of getting an A. It probably means unbeknownst to the students, all the other questions are harder than originally intended.

    A reward you give everyone is not really a reward, and while I'll certainly take them, I don't have as positive an opinion of them as most players do, because they only see the (visible) present, and not the (invisible) cost we'll all be paying to get them. It is a curious thing to wrap one's head around, that people think Kabam is "greedy" when they refuse to give us higher rewards, when in fact the only people who pay for rewards are the players. Kabam pays nothing to add a reward to the game. Players do, just in subtle (and sometimes not so subtle) ways.
    Interesting analogy, and one that seems typical of dev-think.

    Using the teacher analogy, I would surmise that many players think of the scenario more like this…

    …the teacher gives a test and supplies the pencil and paper to take it—however, the pencil lead keeps breaking and the paper is thin and tears a fair bit when the students write.

    Can the students finish the test? Sure, but they are constantly getting up and running to the sharpener to “revive” their pencil lead and they have to be extra careful to avoid “inputs” more likely to tear the fragile sheets of paper.

    Because the students mostly managed to finish the test, the teacher concludes everything turned out just fine.

    Dr. Zola
    I think my first reply was a bit hasty, and thus harsher than warranted, as having more time to consider I think what I should have said is that your analogy doesn't supersede mine because it addresses a completely different thing. You seem to think my analogy argues against compensation because it claims there's nothing worth compensating for, and are trying to make the case that instead the problem is invisible to the developers. However, that has nothing to do with my post at all. My post does not address whether there exists problems for which compensation would be warranted (in fact I state at the start I would lean in the direction of that being the case) but rather the reason why I generally do not value material reward compensation packages as much as the average player might.

    You can simultaneously believe compensation is warranted, and also believe no compensation possible actually helps in the long run. Some bells can't be unrung.
  • dfmoore26dfmoore26 Member Posts: 104
    I can state that I haven't been able to log in to the game since the new content dropped. There are a few threads in the bug pages where people are experiencing similar issues.

    My ticket support so far has been to uninstall the game, restart my device, and reinstall the game. All things I'd done before opening a ticket. Was hoping for more help than "did you turn it off and turn it on again?"
  • JESUSCHRISTJESUSCHRIST Member Posts: 667 ★★★
    dfmoore26 said:

    I can state that I haven't been able to log in to the game since the new content dropped. There are a few threads in the bug pages where people are experiencing similar issues.

    My ticket support so far has been to uninstall the game, restart my device, and reinstall the game. All things I'd done before opening a ticket. Was hoping for more help than "did you turn it off and turn it on again?"

    Share some screenshots of what you see when you open the app
  • JESUSCHRISTJESUSCHRIST Member Posts: 667 ★★★
    What phone model you using also?
  • dfmoore26dfmoore26 Member Posts: 104


    So I just get this which looks like a simple network error. But I’ve tried on different WiFi networks and on cellular. I’m pretty certain I would have noticed if both my cell phone and iPad had no network connectivity.

    Tried on my iPhone 15 PM and my iPad Pro. Running iOS 18.3 and iPadOS 18.3 respectively.

    No issues until content drop approximate time on Wednesday.
  • dfmoore26dfmoore26 Member Posts: 104
    New official response was "In this situation, we kindly recommend trying to access your account using other devices. We do not have the means to assist with this particular device."

    Unfortunately other devices also do not seem to work, so I guess I just have to wait for another game update and hope that will fix things.
  • JESUSCHRISTJESUSCHRIST Member Posts: 667 ★★★
    dfmoore26 said:



    So I just get this which looks like a simple network error. But I’ve tried on different WiFi networks and on cellular. I’m pretty certain I would have noticed if both my cell phone and iPad had no network connectivity.

    Tried on my iPhone 15 PM and my iPad Pro. Running iOS 18.3 and iPadOS 18.3 respectively.

    No issues until content drop approximate time on Wednesday.

    This seems like honestly a very tricky situation

    I'm running iOS 18.3 and iPadOS 18.3 on both my iPhone and iPad and both have no issues

    Works fine on both WiFi and cellular network for me

    So my guess is your connection could be having some issue somehow

    I suggest you try testing your connection with other games and see whether you can connect to the servers of other games
  • JESUSCHRISTJESUSCHRIST Member Posts: 667 ★★★
    I believe you already reset your WiFi several times and you can connect to the internet to post on forum so your internet connection shouldn't be the issue
  • JESUSCHRISTJESUSCHRIST Member Posts: 667 ★★★
    And you mentioned you tried other devices as well so your connection somehow isn't connecting well with their servers
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