Rogue or X-23?

Mickey_the_dark_69Mickey_the_dark_69 Member Posts: 54
edited March 6 in General Discussion
It’s astonishing how we as an mcoc community have went from bringing champs like quicksilver and Hercules into the game to becoming the community that is about to cost us another powerful champion who has 1) Better Synergy potential, 2) Better Hair, 3) Better Powers, 4) Better chance of a good buff, 5) Better healing (ironically) and 6) Better serpent Counter, 7) Better defensive potential, 8)Better survivability, 9) Better power control, 10) Better Buff Control. Let me remind you that yes with all the sinisters and the juggernauts, Kabam has seen streaks of fumbling buffs. Do I need to remind you how Kabam still needed to fix 4 champions that were released in 2024? We are yet to see what they do to deathless vision as well. For every nightcrawler and storm, there is a moon night, a Kamala Khan and a Thor (Jane foster) to take their place. You are probably wondering, why am I mentioning old forgotten champions? They were champions who were buffed between 2018-2020, the reason you can’t believe that is because guess what, mid in comics = higher chance to fumble. We still don’t even know how good cyclops is going to be yet, and with the release of phoenix’ buff the choice is so clear, she had the highest potential for a great buff, the strongest powers, and Kabam delivered, making a champ who easily takes Hercules place. Don’t you see a pattern? Kabam gives the cannonically strong characters powerful buffs and powerful releases I mean look at bastion and Jean Grey. And if you want to go on the topic of “what if they nerf rogue” take a look at what they did to sinister, they gave him permanent healing. X-23 doesn’t have some potential with maybe a pursuit passive, and damage with bleeds but think for a minute, bullseye is becoming less and less of a threat, so if anything the buff would go more to defense and potentially make her a carbon copy of Weapon Flex. A lot of you guys voting actually want to use the characters for yourself so if you vote x-23 over rogue, you possibly won’t get to see her that much offensively. Bleed is punished or flat out ignored by a myriad of champions and that can easily shut her off. The fact of the matter is after the rewards buff, war is becoming more and more prominent in the game and rogue has proven time and time again how much of a joke she makes of war, necropolis, and general questing. X-23 is way to risky of a buff and has way less utility and power compared to rogue, compared to a fully built Morningstar (without the buff), compared to proxima, compared to squirrel girl. These champions have powerful abilities (outside of healing and bleed by chance) such as proxima’s special 3 and AAR reduction on block, morningstar’s access to healing and heavy buff punish, and squirrel girls ability to counter evade and autoblock without issue. It’s not fair that Kabam is giving us a FREE champion who can have substantial impact in various questing modes and battlegrounds fights against the attumas and korgs we find way to often. We need a mutant champion who actually acts as if they’re a mutant and counters the skills class’ many abilities as well as many other classes (Cosmic being a big one). We even have the gambit relic that tremendously boosts rogues playstyle in game. The option must be very clear now. We came together as a community to petition serpent’s nerf, so why can’t we as a community come together to vote for someone who has proven to shut him, and many other powerful defenders down entirely? All those quests we did back in 2016-2018? We can’t deny we used rogue to handle the difficult fights back when the game was hard. Even when she was released, she did not have the abilities needed to compete with rogue and the vanilla Wolverine, colossus, and magneto we have in game. We need to stop and think about these facts going forward. Kabam has never “nerfed” a champion in their buff and they never will. All Kabam can do is release a champion limited to their canonical abilities. A buffed rogue is more likely to finish korgs and attumas at 100% health. A buffed rogue is more likely to ignore 30% of ALL dot damage and negative ailments inflicted by debuffs. A buffed rogue will help all of the veterans relive the nostalgia of smashing through mcoc’s content. A buffed rogue isn’t competing with certain champions who have stronger, safer means of dot damage (Deadpool x force, Mr sinister, Weapon Flex). A buffed rogue will save our units from KABAM’s everlasting greed, a buffed rogue will stop us from eating special 3’s from serpent, a buffed rogue will save the contest. Let’s help our favorite mutant cowgirl win this race before it gets taken to the swing states.

Rogue or X-23? 117 votes

The one who can beat serpent
54%
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The one who can make toothpicks come out of her feet
45%
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  • Hulk808Hulk808 Member Posts: 244 ★★
    The one who can beat serpent
    Bro wrote a whole essay
  • MonubeanMonubean Member Posts: 136 ★★
    English 9 would of helped your cause, my comprehension skills wouldn't allow me to decipher that enigma, I'm just saying.
  • ahmynutsahmynuts Member Posts: 8,330 ★★★★★
    edited March 6
    The one who can make toothpicks come out of her feet

    ahmynuts said:

    All rogue needs is a tune up or a slight tweak to allow for more buffs, she's already good and doesn't need a full rework.

    X-23 is the obvious worst of the entire bunch and needs the most love

    Sad to see jubliee ended up the last 🥲.
    I'm genuinely devastated however she needs the least work out of everyone to the point where I'm not even sure why she's included in this vote tbh.
    All she needs is non contact attacks (please kabam ive said this so many times on the forums publicly and even privately to a few of you. Just do it 😭)
    Maybe also a bit longer timers but really just non contact to open her matchips more
  • SirGamesBondSirGamesBond Member Posts: 6,657 ★★★★★
    The one who can make toothpicks come out of her feet

    ahmynuts said:

    All rogue needs is a tune up or a slight tweak to allow for more buffs, she's already good and doesn't need a full rework.

    X-23 is the obvious worst of the entire bunch and needs the most love

    Sad to see jubliee ended up the last 🥲.
    Emotional damage.


    I'm dropping Proxima votes and moving forward will vote only X-23

    The way they made only rogue code available, People just entered it with no thoughts.

    I want to withdraw my 13 votes that went to rogue.
  • ahmynutsahmynuts Member Posts: 8,330 ★★★★★
    The one who can make toothpicks come out of her feet

    ahmynuts said:

    All rogue needs is a tune up or a slight tweak to allow for more buffs, she's already good and doesn't need a full rework.

    X-23 is the obvious worst of the entire bunch and needs the most love

    Sad to see jubliee ended up the last 🥲.
    Emotional damage.


    I'm dropping Proxima votes and moving forward will vote only X-23

    The way they made only rogue code available, People just entered it with no thoughts.

    I want to withdraw my 13 votes that went to rogue.

  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 12,171 ★★★★★
    The one who can make toothpicks come out of her feet

    ahmynuts said:

    All rogue needs is a tune up or a slight tweak to allow for more buffs, she's already good and doesn't need a full rework.

    X-23 is the obvious worst of the entire bunch and needs the most love

    Sad to see jubliee ended up the last 🥲.
    Emotional damage.


    I'm dropping Proxima votes and moving forward will vote only X-23

    The way they made only rogue code available, People just entered it with no thoughts.

    I want to withdraw my 13 votes that went to rogue.
    I'll be voting x23 as well. Rogue likely gets nerfed, they will remove her buff steal ability and make her a standard "bullseye attuma korg" Counter like the million other muties. And the community will hate her like how they hate post buff gully nd prefer pre buff. X23 atleast has potential to become wolverine in steroids.
  • MrTreemanMrTreeman Member Posts: 31

    Paragraphs exist for a reason

    And not even a single indent!
  • Newman0067Newman0067 Member Posts: 189 ★★
    The one who can beat serpent
    Looks like we're heading straight for another Cyclops vs Doctor strange scenario. And like before, I expect the community to completely and utterly bottle it and vote for the more boring option
  • M0NKEYNUTSM0NKEYNUTS Member Posts: 281 ★★
    Rogue wasn't in Daredevil and Wolverine. Casual Marvel fans these days only know Marvel MCU. So they know X-23 and not Rogue, unless they were born 1990 or earlier and experienced Fox Marvel and want to remember it.
  • AzdefAzdef Member Posts: 298 ★★
    Squirrel girl for me
  • DeaconDeacon Member Posts: 4,355 ★★★★★
    The one who can beat serpent
    it'll be yet another mind bottling move by this community. i want no part of another Wolverine variant. her kit is boring. bleeds and regen. what else is there?! i was baffled at the surge for X23 really . hopefully Rogue pulls it out in the end.

    and no doubt people are saying "oh she'll get a rework anyway". but who knows. and why leave it to chance.
  • ahmynutsahmynuts Member Posts: 8,330 ★★★★★
    The one who can make toothpicks come out of her feet
    Deacon said:

    it'll be yet another mind bottling move by this community. i want no part of another Wolverine variant. her kit is boring. bleeds and regen. what else is there?! i was baffled at the surge for X23 really . hopefully Rogue pulls it out in the end.

    and no doubt people are saying "oh she'll get a rework anyway". but who knows. and why leave it to chance.

    You literally listed the reasons why she should win?
  • ahmynutsahmynuts Member Posts: 8,330 ★★★★★
    The one who can make toothpicks come out of her feet
    Deacon said:

    her kit is boring. bleeds and regen.

    NONYABIZZ said:

    ahmynuts said:

    All rogue needs is a tune up or a slight tweak to allow for more buffs, she's already good and doesn't need a full rework.

    X-23 is the obvious worst of the entire bunch and needs the most love

    Sad to see jubliee ended up the last 🥲.
    Emotional damage.


    I'm dropping Proxima votes and moving forward will vote only X-23

    The way they made only rogue code available, People just entered it with no thoughts.

    I want to withdraw my 13 votes that went to rogue.
    I'll be voting x23 as well. Rogue likely gets nerfed, they will remove her buff steal ability and make her a standard "bullseye attuma korg" Counter like the million other muties. And the community will hate her like how they hate post buff gully nd prefer pre buff. X23 atleast has potential to become wolverine in steroids.
    X23 is literally just bleeds and regen LIKE EVERY OTHER WOLVERINE.
    Rogue has a unique kit that barely 3 other champs in the game have.
    Guys I'm collecting reasons why X-23 should win listed by people who are voting for Rogue. Can i get some help with this project?
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 12,171 ★★★★★
    The one who can make toothpicks come out of her feet
    NONYABIZZ said:

    ahmynuts said:

    All rogue needs is a tune up or a slight tweak to allow for more buffs, she's already good and doesn't need a full rework.

    X-23 is the obvious worst of the entire bunch and needs the most love

    Sad to see jubliee ended up the last 🥲.
    Emotional damage.


    I'm dropping Proxima votes and moving forward will vote only X-23

    The way they made only rogue code available, People just entered it with no thoughts.

    I want to withdraw my 13 votes that went to rogue.
    I'll be voting x23 as well. Rogue likely gets nerfed, they will remove her buff steal ability and make her a standard "bullseye attuma korg" Counter like the million other muties. And the community will hate her like how they hate post buff gully nd prefer pre buff. X23 atleast has potential to become wolverine in steroids.
    Buff stealing is what makes rogue, ROGUE. Kabam would not take it away instead they would probably just cap it but make it actually last and pause during special attacks, give rogue some personal utility and have her own means of doing damage WITHOUT BUFFS.
    Her power steal will Obviously be nerfed

    Obviously, she should be able to work against skill as a MUTANT SHOULD.

    X23 is literally just bleeds and regen LIKE EVERY OTHER WOLVERINE.
    Rogue has a unique kit that barely 3 other champs in the game have. Since squirrel is bottom 3, I really hope rogue pulls through cos X23 is top 3 the most boring champs to play (animation wise) from that IWD PoLL
    x23 definitely have better animations than rogue, rogue is simply punching lol. They are likely to scrap out or modify her buff steal as it is not a mutant class ability, and give the same boring "take no damage from thorns cuz rogue shares pain" and might get namor type reflect for thorns. And she is atleast usable now.

    x23 has great potential. She could inflict bleeds, crit bleeds, rupture if bleed immune. A mutant who actually has offensively useful regen like wolvie. Some great dot damage, and utilites to counter skill class champs.
  • NONYABIZZNONYABIZZ Member Posts: 792 ★★★★
    The one who can beat serpent

    NONYABIZZ said:

    ahmynuts said:

    All rogue needs is a tune up or a slight tweak to allow for more buffs, she's already good and doesn't need a full rework.

    X-23 is the obvious worst of the entire bunch and needs the most love

    Sad to see jubliee ended up the last 🥲.
    Emotional damage.


    I'm dropping Proxima votes and moving forward will vote only X-23

    The way they made only rogue code available, People just entered it with no thoughts.

    I want to withdraw my 13 votes that went to rogue.
    I'll be voting x23 as well. Rogue likely gets nerfed, they will remove her buff steal ability and make her a standard "bullseye attuma korg" Counter like the million other muties. And the community will hate her like how they hate post buff gully nd prefer pre buff. X23 atleast has potential to become wolverine in steroids.
    Buff stealing is what makes rogue, ROGUE. Kabam would not take it away instead they would probably just cap it but make it actually last and pause during special attacks, give rogue some personal utility and have her own means of doing damage WITHOUT BUFFS.
    Her power steal will Obviously be nerfed

    Obviously, she should be able to work against skill as a MUTANT SHOULD.

    X23 is literally just bleeds and regen LIKE EVERY OTHER WOLVERINE.
    Rogue has a unique kit that barely 3 other champs in the game have. Since squirrel is bottom 3, I really hope rogue pulls through cos X23 is top 3 the most boring champs to play (animation wise) from that IWD PoLL
    x23 definitely have better animations than rogue, rogue is simply punching lol. They are likely to scrap out or modify her buff steal as it is not a mutant class ability, and give the same boring "take no damage from thorns cuz rogue shares pain" and might get namor type reflect for thorns. And she is atleast usable now.

    x23 has great potential. She could inflict bleeds, crit bleeds, rupture if bleed immune. A mutant who actually has offensively useful regen like wolvie. Some great dot damage, and utilites to counter skill class champs.
    Ohh well, at the end it comes down to preference. I prefer rogue, others prefer X-23. The same reasons why you wouldn't want rogue to win is the same reason I don't want x23 to win. To each their own

    But we can all agree that Squirrel girl has the best animations. (Jubilee is close)
  • captain_rogerscaptain_rogers Member Posts: 12,171 ★★★★★
    The one who can make toothpicks come out of her feet
    NONYABIZZ said:

    NONYABIZZ said:

    ahmynuts said:

    All rogue needs is a tune up or a slight tweak to allow for more buffs, she's already good and doesn't need a full rework.

    X-23 is the obvious worst of the entire bunch and needs the most love

    Sad to see jubliee ended up the last 🥲.
    Emotional damage.


    I'm dropping Proxima votes and moving forward will vote only X-23

    The way they made only rogue code available, People just entered it with no thoughts.

    I want to withdraw my 13 votes that went to rogue.
    I'll be voting x23 as well. Rogue likely gets nerfed, they will remove her buff steal ability and make her a standard "bullseye attuma korg" Counter like the million other muties. And the community will hate her like how they hate post buff gully nd prefer pre buff. X23 atleast has potential to become wolverine in steroids.
    Buff stealing is what makes rogue, ROGUE. Kabam would not take it away instead they would probably just cap it but make it actually last and pause during special attacks, give rogue some personal utility and have her own means of doing damage WITHOUT BUFFS.
    Her power steal will Obviously be nerfed

    Obviously, she should be able to work against skill as a MUTANT SHOULD.

    X23 is literally just bleeds and regen LIKE EVERY OTHER WOLVERINE.
    Rogue has a unique kit that barely 3 other champs in the game have. Since squirrel is bottom 3, I really hope rogue pulls through cos X23 is top 3 the most boring champs to play (animation wise) from that IWD PoLL
    x23 definitely have better animations than rogue, rogue is simply punching lol. They are likely to scrap out or modify her buff steal as it is not a mutant class ability, and give the same boring "take no damage from thorns cuz rogue shares pain" and might get namor type reflect for thorns. And she is atleast usable now.

    x23 has great potential. She could inflict bleeds, crit bleeds, rupture if bleed immune. A mutant who actually has offensively useful regen like wolvie. Some great dot damage, and utilites to counter skill class champs.
    Ohh well, at the end it comes down to preference. I prefer rogue, others prefer X-23. The same reasons why you wouldn't want rogue to win is the same reason I don't want x23 to win. To each their own

    But we can all agree that Squirrel girl has the best animations. (Jubilee is close)
    We needed squirrel Girl, but we don't deserve her buff 😭😭
  • ButtehrsButtehrs Member Posts: 7,377 ★★★★★
    DNA3000 said:

    I regret reading all of that.

    I now regret not making a Rogue thread and preempting this.

    You know what, buff Rogue, because:



    and



    and



    and if necessary:

    You missed one. Iykyk.
  • DONZALOOG1234DONZALOOG1234 Member Posts: 415 ★★
    Squirrel Girl
  • NONYABIZZNONYABIZZ Member Posts: 792 ★★★★
    The one who can beat serpent
    Are we stuck with our day 1 picks???
    I'm trying switch to team rogue but I can't.
    We can't let x23 win NOOOOO!!!
  • ChiefGoatChiefGoat Member Posts: 230 ★★
    Neither one of those are worth the vote
  • peixemacacopeixemacaco Member Posts: 4,961 ★★★★★
    None of them

    Invisible Woman 😍
  • Mickey_the_dark_69Mickey_the_dark_69 Member Posts: 54
    The one who can beat serpent

    None of them

    Invisible Woman 😍

    You are wrong everyone but x-23 deserved the vote but the mcoc community has fumbled before and now they’re picking up right back to where they left off. You would think after voting Shang over Kate bishop the mcoc community would learn but nope they didn’t. Oh well
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