Sorry to interrupt WW3 but Kushala and Jean Gray need to make a tutorial about this disagree farm method. Lowkey takes mad skill to have everyone against you.
Kabam is more tolerant in this situation than I would be. You're indirectly encouraging boycotting and telling people they can spend if they choose. I get being frustrated. Passive aggressive threats aren't going to resolve issues any faster. This is a glorified tantrum.
Except they're not even exiting, just being drama queens about it...
Players need Kabam to validate the time, money, and emotional energy they've poured into the game. They're not just players—they're people who've made this game part of their identity, their self-worth, their routine, their fake social circle. So when Kabam screws up, they don’t just get mad at a company—they feel personally betrayed, like a parent let them down.
That's why all these complaints sound so emotional. “Please listen to us.” “We just want to be heard.” “We used to have fun together.” It’s not consumer feedback—it’s the emotional language of neglected attachment. Kabam isn’t just a service provider anymore; it’s mommy and daddy.
And when someone says, “Why are you still living at home if you hate your parents?” They're the bad guy who needs to be insulted and drowned out.
What validation are you seeking calling everyone drama queens for being frustrated with the game they used to enjoy? Why do you feel compelled to spend a great deal amount of time here telling everyone to just leave quietly? Why don’t you just go enjoy the game you think is perfectly tuned quietly and quit posting here?
You don’t seem concerned about any effect people leaving will have on the game. And if that’s the case - why do you care if they sound off on concerns? Seems like the only thing that might happen differently is that Kabam starts moving faster on these issues - which you would necessarily benefit from. So it’s a win-win for you… unless you are chasing some other validation from Kabam employees to go along with it.
He’s a kabam defender and so is demonzfyre
I would love for you to quote something I said in this thread and explain how I'm defending Kabam. Seriously, I'm both baffled and intrigued by your delusional logic....
Look at all the downvotes you been getting and arguing against everyone here nobody is on your side 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
"Delusional logic" or not, counting downvotes isn't an actual argument. It's just a moronic, meaningless metric used in echo chambers like reddit & here on the forums.
Blah blah blah, it just means PEOPLE ARENT Agreeing with YOU AND WE DONT LOL.
Get the through your head, you literally remind me of ocean gate guy who thought he was always right and went on ahead with his submarine and imploded going to the titanic.
Peoppe told him what he thought was wrong and he thought his ideas was always right.
Do you know the amount of of people that told him it was dangerous and it wasn’t safe to do?
Thats basically a lot of people disagreeing with him but he didn’t care what they say.
Mr. I think it’s my way or the highway is YOU but in mcoc forums 🤣😂🤣
You will never admit your wrong and it shows by the the disagreement votes you’re getting here.
Again what validation you want? From kabam?
We just voicing our OPINIONS on current state of the game.
It’s what the forums is about. But you would rather be wrong and defend that even if you Implode yourself 🤣😂🤣😂
The funny thing about valiant eq, it’s likely going to be outdated within a couple of months of it being released. They said May is the beta and it will be a couple of months before it appears every month, let’s for argument say August.
Now combine that with the fact that November will be 2 years since valiant launched, Kabam has historically had ~18 - 24 months between progression and they will likely want to have a new progression for cyber weekend in November (which could align nicely with 9.3 release if the 6 month cycle continues).
So if all past trends continue we’ll have August, Sept, Oct, and part of Nov before EQ is behind the progression gate.
Can someone explain to me why there is a difference between "I'm not going to spend any more money on this game until they address my complaints" and "I'm not going to play or discuss this game anymore until they address my complaints"? Do people just not value their own time as worth anything? Or are they addicted to the game and not spending money is the biggest leap they can take while still holding onto their addiction?
I'm certainly not going to speak for Vega as he's fully capable of doing that for himself (also, he'll probably say I'm wrong - just kidding Vega) but the gist I got from his video is that - and this I agree with - for him spending is not purely transactional. It isn't like shopping for groceries, say, where you need oranges and milk so you go buy oranges and milk. It is in part a desire to support the game and the game development. And if he is not happy about the state of the game or the direction of the game's development, that prompts him to decide not to spend as a way to communicate that disagreement.
It doesn't necessarily mean he hates the game or dislikes playing it or interacting with it altogether. It simply means the desire to play the game and the desire to financially support it come from two different places.
I don't spend because I feel I need to, and without spending I couldn't enjoy playing the game. I'm pretty sure I would enjoy playing the game just as much if I was still a starving student that couldn't spend on it. I spend in large part because I can afford to do so, and I want to support the game I play. And I think Vega feels similarly. Deciding to spend in the first place is a personal decision, and everyone makes that decision for their own reasons that should be respected. Deciding not to spend is also a personal decision that should also be respected, and Vega is choosing to articulate why he's made that decision to the people who care about and respect his opinions. I don't always agree with Vega, but I generally respect his positions including this one.
I agree, up to a point. I think the words we choose on a platform have an effect. You can encourage or discourage people when you have a somewhat larger platform. I would prefer if he simply chose to say he was no longer spending, rather than use the buzzword "boycott", as well as include it on the thumbnail. Perhaps a bit of clickbait advertising, but that also has effects that snowball.
If it snowballs and more people stop spending then even better, maybe then they'll finally start listening and doing whatever they want with their game. They're the developers but we are the players, you need both for a game to survive.
Maybe there won't be a game and people will not have anything to complain about. There's a whole misconception that they're not paying enough attention, and that's just not the case.
There will be a game because they can still come back from this if they just listen to their players, this is simply a wake up call. As for the idea that they are paying enough attention you're wrong, cause if they were the next BGs update would've been a rewards buff and not reverting the scoring system which I can guarantee you is going to make BGs even more annoying than it already was with the current rewards being terrible. If they were paying enough attention Raids and nearly every update lately wouldn't be so buggy. If they were paying enough attention AI wouldn't still be intercepting me with mediums like it currently is. It's not a misconception it's a fact, they are not paying enough attention and that is why the game is in the state it is.
The funny thing about valiant eq, it’s likely going to be outdated within a couple of months of it being released. They said May is the beta and it will be a couple of months before it appears every month, let’s for argument say August.
Now combine that with the fact that November will be 2 years since valiant launched, Kabam has historically had ~18 - 24 months between progression and they will likely want to have a new progression for cyber weekend in November (which could align nicely with 9.3 release if the 6 month cycle continues).
So if all past trends continue we’ll have August, Sept, Oct, and part of Nov before EQ is behind the progression gate.
Garantee you they will try to push it by June for the 4th of July sales and update a lot of things in the game by then
So they can push more sales.
Just look how long it took Sigil to be updated and on release is wasn’t perceived the best at launch. That’s just an example of what I think will happen lol
Can someone explain to me why there is a difference between "I'm not going to spend any more money on this game until they address my complaints" and "I'm not going to play or discuss this game anymore until they address my complaints"? Do people just not value their own time as worth anything? Or are they addicted to the game and not spending money is the biggest leap they can take while still holding onto their addiction?
I'm certainly not going to speak for Vega as he's fully capable of doing that for himself (also, he'll probably say I'm wrong - just kidding Vega) but the gist I got from his video is that - and this I agree with - for him spending is not purely transactional. It isn't like shopping for groceries, say, where you need oranges and milk so you go buy oranges and milk. It is in part a desire to support the game and the game development. And if he is not happy about the state of the game or the direction of the game's development, that prompts him to decide not to spend as a way to communicate that disagreement.
It doesn't necessarily mean he hates the game or dislikes playing it or interacting with it altogether. It simply means the desire to play the game and the desire to financially support it come from two different places.
I don't spend because I feel I need to, and without spending I couldn't enjoy playing the game. I'm pretty sure I would enjoy playing the game just as much if I was still a starving student that couldn't spend on it. I spend in large part because I can afford to do so, and I want to support the game I play. And I think Vega feels similarly. Deciding to spend in the first place is a personal decision, and everyone makes that decision for their own reasons that should be respected. Deciding not to spend is also a personal decision that should also be respected, and Vega is choosing to articulate why he's made that decision to the people who care about and respect his opinions. I don't always agree with Vega, but I generally respect his positions including this one.
I agree, up to a point. I think the words we choose on a platform have an effect. You can encourage or discourage people when you have a somewhat larger platform. I would prefer if he simply chose to say he was no longer spending, rather than use the buzzword "boycott", as well as include it on the thumbnail. Perhaps a bit of clickbait advertising, but that also has effects that snowball.
If it snowballs and more people stop spending then even better, maybe then they'll finally start listening and doing whatever they want with their game. They're the developers but we are the players, you need both for a game to survive.
Maybe there won't be a game and people will not have anything to complain about. There's a whole misconception that they're not paying enough attention, and that's just not the case.
There will be a game because they can still come back from this if they just listen to their players, this is simply a wake up call. As for the idea that they are paying enough attention you're wrong, cause if they were the next BGs update would've been a rewards buff and not reverting the scoring system which I can guarantee you is going to make BGs even more annoying than it already was with the current rewards being terrible. If they were paying enough attention Raids and nearly every update lately wouldn't be so buggy. If they were paying enough attention AI wouldn't still be intercepting me with mediums like it currently is. It's not a misconception it's a fact, they are not paying enough attention and that is why the game is in the state it is.
I agree that they can come back from this but I disagree with them not paying attention. Leaders at Kabam have absolutely been paying attention it’s just to things that they care about (sales) more than what the community cares about. I can guarantee the spring cleaning sales will be in place and reflective of the current meta because that’s what kabam is focused on. Money Money Money!
Love Vega as a creator and a dude. Appreciate his take on the situation and understand where he's coming from. Obviously this isn't a snap your fingers and its fixed situation, but this is definitely heard and we're passing it along to the team.
It's a very easy situation to fix with a snap of your fingers. You guys just have to buff the rewards for both glory and Battlegrounds store, introduce new difficulty quest for main event quest. Make side quest exciting instead of been the lame stuff we've been getting for 4 or 3 months with better rewards, buff traders outpost store, revert that terrible decision of the time change in bgs and last and I mean this nicely TEST YOUR CONTENT BEFORE YOU RELEASE IT(Nightmare raids). I'm not trying to be toxic or mad here but it's frustrating. You guys have an easy solution but keep making excuses. Stop making excuses and start doing more of actions, actions speak louder than words!!
The funny thing about valiant eq, it’s likely going to be outdated within a couple of months of it being released. They said May is the beta and it will be a couple of months before it appears every month, let’s for argument say August.
Now combine that with the fact that November will be 2 years since valiant launched, Kabam has historically had ~18 - 24 months between progression and they will likely want to have a new progression for cyber weekend in November (which could align nicely with 9.3 release if the 6 month cycle continues).
So if all past trends continue we’ll have August, Sept, Oct, and part of Nov before EQ is behind the progression gate.
Garantee you they will try to push it by June for the 4th of July sales and update a lot of things in the game by then
So they can push more sales.
Just look how long it took Sigil to be updated and on release is wasn’t perceived the best at launch. That’s just an example of what I think will happen lol
I wouldn’t be shocked if it was June for July 4th deals. I was trying to give them the benefit of the doubt that the new eq will match the highest progression for at least a few months.
Can someone explain to me why there is a difference between "I'm not going to spend any more money on this game until they address my complaints" and "I'm not going to play or discuss this game anymore until they address my complaints"? Do people just not value their own time as worth anything? Or are they addicted to the game and not spending money is the biggest leap they can take while still holding onto their addiction?
I'm certainly not going to speak for Vega as he's fully capable of doing that for himself (also, he'll probably say I'm wrong - just kidding Vega) but the gist I got from his video is that - and this I agree with - for him spending is not purely transactional. It isn't like shopping for groceries, say, where you need oranges and milk so you go buy oranges and milk. It is in part a desire to support the game and the game development. And if he is not happy about the state of the game or the direction of the game's development, that prompts him to decide not to spend as a way to communicate that disagreement.
It doesn't necessarily mean he hates the game or dislikes playing it or interacting with it altogether. It simply means the desire to play the game and the desire to financially support it come from two different places.
I don't spend because I feel I need to, and without spending I couldn't enjoy playing the game. I'm pretty sure I would enjoy playing the game just as much if I was still a starving student that couldn't spend on it. I spend in large part because I can afford to do so, and I want to support the game I play. And I think Vega feels similarly. Deciding to spend in the first place is a personal decision, and everyone makes that decision for their own reasons that should be respected. Deciding not to spend is also a personal decision that should also be respected, and Vega is choosing to articulate why he's made that decision to the people who care about and respect his opinions. I don't always agree with Vega, but I generally respect his positions including this one.
I agree, up to a point. I think the words we choose on a platform have an effect. You can encourage or discourage people when you have a somewhat larger platform. I would prefer if he simply chose to say he was no longer spending, rather than use the buzzword "boycott", as well as include it on the thumbnail. Perhaps a bit of clickbait advertising, but that also has effects that snowball.
If it snowballs and more people stop spending then even better, maybe then they'll finally start listening and doing whatever they want with their game. They're the developers but we are the players, you need both for a game to survive.
Maybe there won't be a game and people will not have anything to complain about. There's a whole misconception that they're not paying enough attention, and that's just not the case.
There will be a game because they can still come back from this if they just listen to their players, this is simply a wake up call. As for the idea that they are paying enough attention you're wrong, cause if they were the next BGs update would've been a rewards buff and not reverting the scoring system which I can guarantee you is going to make BGs even more annoying than it already was with the current rewards being terrible. If they were paying enough attention Raids and nearly every update lately wouldn't be so buggy. If they were paying enough attention AI wouldn't still be intercepting me with mediums like it currently is. It's not a misconception it's a fact, they are not paying enough attention and that is why the game is in the state it is.
I agree that they can come back from this but I disagree with them not paying attention. Leaders at Kabam have absolutely been paying attention it’s just to things that they care about (sales) more than what the community cares about. I can guarantee the spring cleaning sales will be in place and reflective of the current meta because that’s what kabam is focused on. Money Money Money!
Again, if they're paying attention why is the game in this state. Do you know how long we've been asking for BGs rewards to be buffed? And not just GC ones, milestone and store ones as well, it's been like 20 months since the last update I usually give Kabam benefit of the doubt but it's been way too long already. What did they do? Reverted the scoring system to the beta, there is a reason it never made it out of the beta why on Earth are they doing this when not a single soul complained about it?
I've been playing this game for ten years mate, there has never been a single year month day or hour where the game was plagued by these many issues and dissatisfaction from the playerbase not even when 12.0 happened which says a lot and there was a boycott back then as well mind you.
Love Vega as a creator and a dude. Appreciate his take on the situation and understand where he's coming from. Obviously this isn't a snap your fingers and its fixed situation, but this is definitely heard and we're passing it along to the team.
I've started to hate this "pass it along" response. It has lost so much meaning. 3 months after Galan lost 2/9 incinerates off sp2 I started writing tickets and posts monthly asking about the situation. Every ticket response I got was "it's been passed along to the appropriate teams". It took almost 2 WHOLE YEARS for him to get them back.
The funny thing about valiant eq, it’s likely going to be outdated within a couple of months of it being released. They said May is the beta and it will be a couple of months before it appears every month, let’s for argument say August.
Now combine that with the fact that November will be 2 years since valiant launched, Kabam has historically had ~18 - 24 months between progression and they will likely want to have a new progression for cyber weekend in November (which could align nicely with 9.3 release if the 6 month cycle continues).
So if all past trends continue we’ll have August, Sept, Oct, and part of Nov before EQ is behind the progression gate.
What immediately worried me about their valiant EQ announcement was that it requires a beta period. Feels like another unnecessary / unwanted reinvention of the wheel is underway.
I don’t particular care about EQ, don’t need it to be wildly different than what it is today. If the rewards were better, I would be totally fine running it each month. It’s a fine place to test champs and see the new releases. They could have just amped up the health pools, increased the rewards and released it based on the current model. I think most people would’ve been fine with it. Instead, I suspect they’ll fix something that no one thought was broken and severely undertune the rewards. Then they’ll probably be surprised when no one likes it.
Why or people arguing different opinions i personally think we should just talking how there can change rather that’s picking a fight that’s don’t help them personally I dislike 16 nodes in raids. I wished nightmare wasn’t overturned. Can make raids hard but turn down the node
Can someone explain to me why there is a difference between "I'm not going to spend any more money on this game until they address my complaints" and "I'm not going to play or discuss this game anymore until they address my complaints"? Do people just not value their own time as worth anything? Or are they addicted to the game and not spending money is the biggest leap they can take while still holding onto their addiction?
I'm certainly not going to speak for Vega as he's fully capable of doing that for himself (also, he'll probably say I'm wrong - just kidding Vega) but the gist I got from his video is that - and this I agree with - for him spending is not purely transactional. It isn't like shopping for groceries, say, where you need oranges and milk so you go buy oranges and milk. It is in part a desire to support the game and the game development. And if he is not happy about the state of the game or the direction of the game's development, that prompts him to decide not to spend as a way to communicate that disagreement.
It doesn't necessarily mean he hates the game or dislikes playing it or interacting with it altogether. It simply means the desire to play the game and the desire to financially support it come from two different places.
I don't spend because I feel I need to, and without spending I couldn't enjoy playing the game. I'm pretty sure I would enjoy playing the game just as much if I was still a starving student that couldn't spend on it. I spend in large part because I can afford to do so, and I want to support the game I play. And I think Vega feels similarly. Deciding to spend in the first place is a personal decision, and everyone makes that decision for their own reasons that should be respected. Deciding not to spend is also a personal decision that should also be respected, and Vega is choosing to articulate why he's made that decision to the people who care about and respect his opinions. I don't always agree with Vega, but I generally respect his positions including this one.
I agree, up to a point. I think the words we choose on a platform have an effect. You can encourage or discourage people when you have a somewhat larger platform. I would prefer if he simply chose to say he was no longer spending, rather than use the buzzword "boycott", as well as include it on the thumbnail. Perhaps a bit of clickbait advertising, but that also has effects that snowball.
If it snowballs and more people stop spending then even better, maybe then they'll finally start listening and doing whatever they want with their game. They're the developers but we are the players, you need both for a game to survive.
Maybe there won't be a game and people will not have anything to complain about. There's a whole misconception that they're not paying enough attention, and that's just not the case.
There will be a game because they can still come back from this if they just listen to their players, this is simply a wake up call. As for the idea that they are paying enough attention you're wrong, cause if they were the next BGs update would've been a rewards buff and not reverting the scoring system which I can guarantee you is going to make BGs even more annoying than it already was with the current rewards being terrible. If they were paying enough attention Raids and nearly every update lately wouldn't be so buggy. If they were paying enough attention AI wouldn't still be intercepting me with mediums like it currently is. It's not a misconception it's a fact, they are not paying enough attention and that is why the game is in the state it is.
I agree that they can come back from this but I disagree with them not paying attention. Leaders at Kabam have absolutely been paying attention it’s just to things that they care about (sales) more than what the community cares about. I can guarantee the spring cleaning sales will be in place and reflective of the current meta because that’s what kabam is focused on. Money Money Money!
Again, if they're paying attention why is the game in this state. Do you know how long we've been asking for BGs rewards to be buffed? And not just GC ones, milestone and store ones as well, it's been like 20 months since the last update I usually give Kabam benefit of the doubt but it's been way too long already. What did they do? Reverted the scoring system to the beta, there is a reason it never made it out of the beta why on Earth are they doing this when not a single soul complained about it?
I've been playing this game for ten years mate, there has never been a single year month day or hour where the game was plagued by these many issues and dissatisfaction from the playerbase not even when 12.0 happened which says a lot and there was a boycott back then as well mind you.
My comment was meant in jest / tongue in cheek. I 100% agree they haven’t been paying attention to the things that the community would like them to. Instead they have been focused purely on creating new sales.
We’re finally seeing the impact of layoffs and the skeleton crew that runs the game currently vs what they had years ago
Man if that's the case that's scary...
It is the case, do you really believe they have 700 teams to deal with the 700 issues?...
Even if that's the case. The issue that broke the camels back was them releasing nightmare raids the way they did and then saying they were listening but with the recent Battlegrounds change and no buff on rewards. Plus no fix with the character mids whiff(to there credit i understand why with the whole game engine). The point I'm trying to make is they are in huge trouble and is easy solution If they buff the rewards and just give a new difficulty for even event quest it would help with there situation. People aren't mad about the bugs people are mad there's no buff on rewards. It's a very easy easy solution to fix and it doesn't need that many people to fix
I’m glad this spawned some discussion. And thank you @KabamPinwheel for replying. I appreciate that you hear us, but like you said, some action is definitely needed
Love Vega as a creator and a dude. Appreciate his take on the situation and understand where he's coming from. Obviously this isn't a snap your fingers and its fixed situation, but this is definitely heard and we're passing it along to the team.
I've started to hate this "pass it along" response. It has lost so much meaning. 3 months after Galan lost 2/9 incinerates off sp2 I started writing tickets and posts monthly asking about the situation. Every ticket response I got was "it's been passed along to the appropriate teams". It took almost 2 WHOLE YEARS for him to get them back.
"Pass it along" Plot twist: they were playing the telephone game all along.
Love Vega as a creator and a dude. Appreciate his take on the situation and understand where he's coming from. Obviously this isn't a snap your fingers and its fixed situation, but this is definitely heard and we're passing it along to the team.
I've started to hate this "pass it along" response. It has lost so much meaning. 3 months after Galan lost 2/9 incinerates off sp2 I started writing tickets and posts monthly asking about the situation. Every ticket response I got was "it's been passed along to the appropriate teams". It took almost 2 WHOLE YEARS for him to get them back.
"Pass it along" Plot twist: they were playing the telephone game all along.
I don’t know if this is an intentional dad joke, but it’s the one we deserve.
Kabam is more tolerant in this situation than I would be. You're indirectly encouraging boycotting and telling people they can spend if they choose. I get being frustrated. Passive aggressive threats aren't going to resolve issues any faster. This is a glorified tantrum.
Except they're not even exiting, just being drama queens about it...
Players need Kabam to validate the time, money, and emotional energy they've poured into the game. They're not just players—they're people who've made this game part of their identity, their self-worth, their routine, their fake social circle. So when Kabam screws up, they don’t just get mad at a company—they feel personally betrayed, like a parent let them down.
That's why all these complaints sound so emotional. “Please listen to us.” “We just want to be heard.” “We used to have fun together.” It’s not consumer feedback—it’s the emotional language of neglected attachment. Kabam isn’t just a service provider anymore; it’s mommy and daddy.
And when someone says, “Why are you still living at home if you hate your parents?” They're the bad guy who needs to be insulted and drowned out.
What validation are you seeking calling everyone drama queens for being frustrated with the game they used to enjoy? Why do you feel compelled to spend a great deal amount of time here telling everyone to just leave quietly? Why don’t you just go enjoy the game you think is perfectly tuned quietly and quit posting here?
You don’t seem concerned about any effect people leaving will have on the game. And if that’s the case - why do you care if they sound off on concerns? Seems like the only thing that might happen differently is that Kabam starts moving faster on these issues - which you would necessarily benefit from. So it’s a win-win for you… unless you are chasing some other validation from Kabam employees to go along with it.
He’s a kabam defender and so is demonzfyre
I would love for you to quote something I said in this thread and explain how I'm defending Kabam. Seriously, I'm both baffled and intrigued by your delusional logic....
People want change and we can’t even talk about it here because all you will do it deny it.
The community wanted a change in bg rewards/milestones
Lagacy made a video and now Vega.
Look at all the downvotes you been getting and arguing against everyone here nobody is on your side 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
You just be great at parties 😂🤣😂
Literally no one cares about what YOU THINK,we just want kabam to know and hurry that rewards in general in the game are outdated
We are getting valient eq in may and thats along time in mcoc time.
And who knows when kabam update bg rewards might be next season or they will wait till season 30
People just wanna voice there concerns because nothing is changing.
Keep arguging against it because your the one in denial
I asked you to quote something I said in this thread that is defending Kabam and you just kept making personal remarks without pointing to anything I said. I don't know what you do for a living but I'd be shocked if it requires critical thinking....
This is actually catching a good bit of steam. Lagacy posted a similar video on the situation around 45ish minutes ago. I’m glad the cc’s are starting to speak up about it!!
Get the through your head, you literally remind me of ocean gate guy who thought he was always right and went on ahead with his submarine and imploded going to the titanic.
Not the best example to use. Stockton Rush was well known in the deep sea expedition community for believing that the slow and steady caution that the professionals exhibited was stifling and silly, and literally anyone with basic common sense could easily do better.
Like almost everyone who thinks they can do better, he was wrong. He was just wrong in the most spectacular way possible.
Bro there in deep trouble when you got mcoc youtubers boycotting the game💀
1. Did you just respond to your own post as if you're someone else? 2. I'll be interested to see what "deep trouble" comes from this. Bad PR is never good, but if these youtubers' opinions mattered so much, would their feedback have been ignored for this long in the first place? 3. Even if Kabam placates them, will that benefit small fish like me and others on the forum? And how exactly? Because people like DamnEpic and Vega the Whale aren't really playing the same game I am....
Kabam is more tolerant in this situation than I would be. You're indirectly encouraging boycotting and telling people they can spend if they choose. I get being frustrated. Passive aggressive threats aren't going to resolve issues any faster. This is a glorified tantrum.
Except they're not even exiting, just being drama queens about it...
Players need Kabam to validate the time, money, and emotional energy they've poured into the game. They're not just players—they're people who've made this game part of their identity, their self-worth, their routine, their fake social circle. So when Kabam screws up, they don’t just get mad at a company—they feel personally betrayed, like a parent let them down.
That's why all these complaints sound so emotional. “Please listen to us.” “We just want to be heard.” “We used to have fun together.” It’s not consumer feedback—it’s the emotional language of neglected attachment. Kabam isn’t just a service provider anymore; it’s mommy and daddy.
And when someone says, “Why are you still living at home if you hate your parents?” They're the bad guy who needs to be insulted and drowned out.
What validation are you seeking calling everyone drama queens for being frustrated with the game they used to enjoy? Why do you feel compelled to spend a great deal amount of time here telling everyone to just leave quietly? Why don’t you just go enjoy the game you think is perfectly tuned quietly and quit posting here?
You don’t seem concerned about any effect people leaving will have on the game. And if that’s the case - why do you care if they sound off on concerns? Seems like the only thing that might happen differently is that Kabam starts moving faster on these issues - which you would necessarily benefit from. So it’s a win-win for you… unless you are chasing some other validation from Kabam employees to go along with it.
He’s a kabam defender and so is demonzfyre
I would love for you to quote something I said in this thread and explain how I'm defending Kabam. Seriously, I'm both baffled and intrigued by your delusional logic....
Look at all the downvotes you been getting and arguing against everyone here nobody is on your side 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
"Delusional logic" or not, counting downvotes isn't an actual argument. It's just a moronic, meaningless metric used in echo chambers like reddit & here on the forums.
Blah blah blah, it just means PEOPLE ARENT Agreeing with YOU AND WE DONT LOL.
Get the through your head, you literally remind me of ocean gate guy who thought he was always right and went on ahead with his submarine and imploded going to the titanic.
Peoppe told him what he thought was wrong and he thought his ideas was always right.
Do you know the amount of of people that told him it was dangerous and it wasn’t safe to do?
Thats basically a lot of people disagreeing with him but he didn’t care what they say.
Mr. I think it’s my way or the highway is YOU but in mcoc forums 🤣😂🤣
You will never admit your wrong and it shows by the the disagreement votes you’re getting here.
Again what validation you want? From kabam?
We just voicing our OPINIONS on current state of the game.
It’s what the forums is about. But you would rather be wrong and defend that even if you Implode yourself 🤣😂🤣😂
Kinda funny you think I'm defending their words. Actually, the opposite. I think change should/needs to happen. Everyone is obviously entitled to their opinion & as I said above what I think the majority are correct. Just pointing out that pointless metrics like downvotes are silly
If I fully understand whatever the Kabam rep is stating is that we acknowledge the issue. I think that’s great. I acknowledge negative situations created by me or my company frequently. However, ownership is what the players are looking for and with ownership comes a call to action. Then effectively communicate the plan and implementation. We aren’t receiving that and when we spend money on your product, that is a bare minimum level of expectation. The Pinwheel response lacks clarity or vision and I think the very response provided undermines the expectation of your following and underestimates the intelligence and integrity of this community. Faith will have to be restored before I spend another dime as a top 200 player.
just to hammer the point again, i don't think RAIDS should generally use more revives than we're given, assuming you have a reasonable level of skill and a developed roster and don't mess up.
reasons:
1. the value of chest rewards drop off a cliff.
spring cleaning is next month and 2 months after that the floodgates will open even more with july 4th offers....while these chest rewards stay the same.
how did you feel pulling half a t6cc when easy-clearing the old RAIDS with 21 revives? it felt horrible, now imagine using units for those rewards.
2. ingame rewards are not special. like at all. rewards from a Super Duper Nightmare Ultra RAIDS suffer the same depreciation as any other reward from any other game mode, so why pay a premium to run it? again, if you have decent skill and a developed roster you should be able to clear without hitting units.
3. i'm trying not to sound like an ungrateful f2p'er, which i'm not (i've actually spent a lot on this game), but my point is that it's not cool to have mcoc inflation and permanently raise the ceiling on unit use (assuming RAIDS design philosophy stays the same) for no reason.
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Blah blah blah, it just means PEOPLE ARENT Agreeing with YOU AND WE DONT LOL.
Get the through your head, you literally remind me of ocean gate guy who thought he was always right and went on ahead with his submarine and imploded going to the titanic.
Peoppe told him what he thought was wrong and he thought his ideas was always right.
Do you know the amount of of people that told him it was dangerous and it wasn’t safe to do?
Thats basically a lot of people disagreeing with him but he didn’t care what they say.
Mr. I think it’s my way or the highway is YOU but in mcoc forums 🤣😂🤣
You will never admit your wrong and it shows by the the disagreement votes you’re getting here.
Again what validation you want? From kabam?
We just voicing our OPINIONS on current state of the game.
It’s what the forums is about. But you would rather be wrong and defend that even if you Implode yourself 🤣😂🤣😂
Now combine that with the fact that November will be 2 years since valiant launched, Kabam has historically had ~18 - 24 months between progression and they will likely want to have a new progression for cyber weekend in November (which could align nicely with 9.3 release if the 6 month cycle continues).
So if all past trends continue we’ll have August, Sept, Oct, and part of Nov before EQ is behind the progression gate.
As for the idea that they are paying enough attention you're wrong, cause if they were the next BGs update would've been a rewards buff and not reverting the scoring system which I can guarantee you is going to make BGs even more annoying than it already was with the current rewards being terrible. If they were paying enough attention Raids and nearly every update lately wouldn't be so buggy. If they were paying enough attention AI wouldn't still be intercepting me with mediums like it currently is. It's not a misconception it's a fact, they are not paying enough attention and that is why the game is in the state it is.
Garantee you they will try to push it by June for the 4th of July sales and update a lot of things in the game by then
So they can push more sales.
Just look how long it took Sigil to be updated and on release is wasn’t perceived the best at launch. That’s just an example of what I think will happen lol
I've been playing this game for ten years mate, there has never been a single year month day or hour where the game was plagued by these many issues and dissatisfaction from the playerbase not even when 12.0 happened which says a lot and there was a boycott back then as well mind you.
I don’t particular care about EQ, don’t need it to be wildly different than what it is today. If the rewards were better, I would be totally fine running it each month. It’s a fine place to test champs and see the new releases. They could have just amped up the health pools, increased the rewards and released it based on the current model. I think most people would’ve been fine with it. Instead, I suspect they’ll fix something that no one thought was broken and severely undertune the rewards. Then they’ll probably be surprised when no one likes it.
Plot twist: they were playing the telephone game all along.
I don't know what you do for a living but I'd be shocked if it requires critical thinking....
Like almost everyone who thinks they can do better, he was wrong. He was just wrong in the most spectacular way possible.
2. I'll be interested to see what "deep trouble" comes from this. Bad PR is never good, but if these youtubers' opinions mattered so much, would their feedback have been ignored for this long in the first place?
3. Even if Kabam placates them, will that benefit small fish like me and others on the forum? And how exactly? Because people like DamnEpic and Vega the Whale aren't really playing the same game I am....
Kinda funny you think I'm defending their words. Actually, the opposite. I think change should/needs to happen. Everyone is obviously entitled to their opinion & as I said above what I think the majority are correct. Just pointing out that pointless metrics like downvotes are silly
just to hammer the point again, i don't think RAIDS should generally use more revives than we're given, assuming you have a reasonable level of skill and a developed roster and don't mess up.
reasons:
1. the value of chest rewards drop off a cliff.
spring cleaning is next month and 2 months after that the floodgates will open even more with july 4th offers....while these chest rewards stay the same.
how did you feel pulling half a t6cc when easy-clearing the old RAIDS with 21 revives? it felt horrible, now imagine using units for those rewards.
2. ingame rewards are not special. like at all. rewards from a Super Duper Nightmare Ultra RAIDS suffer the same depreciation as any other reward from any other game mode, so why pay a premium to run it? again, if you have decent skill and a developed roster you should be able to clear without hitting units.
3. i'm trying not to sound like an ungrateful f2p'er, which i'm not (i've actually spent a lot on this game), but my point is that it's not cool to have mcoc inflation and permanently raise the ceiling on unit use (assuming RAIDS design philosophy stays the same) for no reason.